You had me at " two free books"
I have forgot what it was I believed a swinger to be before I became one. Putting a label on something gives it a definition but in the process it looses its meaning. I think if someone was to tell me what his or her preconceptions of being a swinger actually entailed, I would not recognise myself in the description.
I want to be recognised not on the basis of my gender or sexuality but as me. What every social being does, I shall invariably do also, and after all we are all part of the same society. You live your life in a chosen way i.e. swinging, but it does not define your identity.
Around adolescence we all go through a very difficult phase, of realisation and acceptance, of finding our niche in life. It is true that I did not choose to be bisexual, and life would have been simpler, especially in my teenage years, had I been “normalâ€, :silly: but I did not want to spend the rest of my life feeling that I did not like it, I probably would not have liked myself very much “To thine own self be
I've got a box which keeps me tidy and restricted and underneath or on top of another box. Luckily for me, my box has a lid on so I can pop out of it when the feeling of being smothered and/or contained, gets too overwhelming. Then I put myself back in the box for my 'normal' day to day functions.
Despite not being 'girly' I'm now wearing pink trainers and have recently allowed my hair to grow long again - there's always that wee of light and space at the edges of the box which attracts me sneak out through it.
Introspection is a wonderful thing Blue, however a great man once said:
Oh wad the Power, the gift tae gie us
Tae see ourselves as others see us.
How others see you is interesting - how others see me is very interesting cos it almost never coincides in how I see myself. Go with the flow.
:P
Blue... All I can really say is 'you make sense'
Just enjoy being, don't bother too much about labels, thats how people seem to behave at your partys (from what I have seen ;) ) don't think if something fits into your identity or not, just do it if you enjoy it.
As NIKE said: " Just Do It"
Wonderful post Blue, I agree with what others have said about the (almost) meaninglessness and pointlessness of labels. It might sound naive and simplistic to say it, but just doing our best to be whatever we are is the main thing, together with being there for those who rely on us. And yes, as Jags (and Robbie Burns) pointed out, there will always be that dichotomy between how we perceive ourselves and how others do anyway.
Mike.
Well it must be catching, it would appear that a few of us have gone through an introspective period recently!! Mine, also posted on here, had little to do with my sexuality, but did make me think deeply.
I had some brilliant response both on the board and in pms. I perosn ckindly offered me his services (no , no, no not what your thinking) and I still havnt taken him up on that kind offer though i really should do.
Someone else offered me his words of wisdom and philosophy on life, which after i had sat and thought and thought some more, did make sense and helped a lot
Im sure you will get people far more intelligent than me who will help you define yourself
The only thing i can say is, that over the years we all change, the person we are a 18 is rarley the person we are at 40, (though most 18 year olds are convinced they will never chang) so surely our description of ourselves must also change over time?
Introspection can help a lot, life is so hectic nowadays that sometimes its difficult to think. But i also believe that sometimes we can think too much and if we take time off to do something that dosnt need any intelligent though, (a repative mind numbing task that allows us to empty our minds ) then suddenly, from nowhere the answer to our question appears!!
Im waffleing so im going to close,but i wish you well with this part of your journey to knowing yourself
There have been a few posts recently where peeps have been re-examining their lifestyle, and results of it. Swinging, like many other pursuits can sometimes be seen and/or used as a shortcut to enlightenment and self actualisation. Destiny may not allow this, so soon in your life. You may still have to do it all, whatever it is, before you get there.
I really enjoyed reading your post Blue. It got my tired mind working again, thanks.
I for one believe you can catagorise each part of you and place it into a box. You will no doubt be placed into many boxes, some large (the ones you feel a better connection with) and some small. I don't think it is you that is changing blue. Just the boxes that you are in. People like to label themselves but as they do they add more and more labels onto themselves. Doing this may decrease the size of other labels/boxes and increase others.
Just because you have one foot in the 'pink' box doesn't mean you have increased the size of the 'female sexuality box'. You can be in as many boxes as you want and also as few as you need. You are you and there aint no boxes that could contain all of you.
The introspective thing certainly is catching lately! I've made a conscious decision recently to back off from 'swinging', or whatever you want to call it. Basically for me it means I'm not meeting anyone for casual sex or going to parties and munches.
Currently I am taking a break from pretty much everything but the most basic roles I have in life as a parent and a friend. I really don't know what I want from my life so I am sitting back for a while and having a think. There are very personal reasons why I feel I need to do it and it's nothing to do with anyone I have met or spoken to through this site.
I've had fantastic fun at the parties I've been too, Blue, you and Satin are a wonderful host(esse)s and I have felt so welcome and it has done wonders for my self esteem and confidence. I'm just not sure that I want it as a lifestyle, I have very deep needs for things which aren't available at a casual sex party! Whether I can mix the two is a question that would need answering if I find a life partner and the issue came up.
I think I may have referred to this before but I feel currently that I am on a 'voyage of discovery' about myself, I am quite recently divorced and am looking at what I want to do, and trying some of it, as much as possible. It's doing me some good and knowing I have the option to take a step back and think every so often is a good thing too.
I reckon the richest of lives are those where we are on a constant voyage of discovery and the bends in the road can be challenging but very worthwhile.
I am a I am a Transsexual. †I am a human I am an I am a I am sensitive and tough, Fem, and Macho, vulnerable-good, clean, Who are we without these labels? When you really let go of all the pros and cons, who are you then? Drop all your likes and dislikes, notions of career and position; then who is left? God, I don’t know…. I am nobody, I am
That is how we feel, but it isn’t true. When we really let go, we become everything. At that point we are identified with all things: the flower, the oak tree, the morning star.
x rache x
thanks Rachel think that was what I was trying to say :rose:
quite simple blue...stop reading them books....they making you think to much !!!
Hi Judy Tv
I understand your need and societys need for labels but my point was that society does not go beyond labels to see the person underneath. In the 70's I was a punk and I was judged on societys views on what punks were. Hence I got banned from pubs etc just for the way i looked. Recently we have had the debate over hoodies. That anyone that wears one is a potential criminal.
I only popped on for a moment and realised that i'd spent an hour deep in thought. I'm another one being quite introspective at the moment too. I've never liked labels particularly but I can see Judy's point in that society would tend to fail without them......we're labelled from before birth. Labels do change over time...at its most simplistic i've been an embryo, a baby, a child, an adolescent, a girlfriend, wife, mother, divorcee, single-parent, grandmother etc etc. I dont particularly think any of these labels are helpful in defining who i was as a person at any of those stages in my life.
I also think that the labels we choose (or are given) vary dependent on our surroundings and those that surround us......at work i'm one thing, at home another.....whilst socialising I'm probably given a different label by every different person......and would the labels used in my professional life be instantly recognised by those people who only know me socially and vice versa???
I think at the end of the day what i'm trying to say (not very well) is that labels are just words and you can only hope that the ones you accept for yourself are firstly not misconstrued by others, and secondly are not taken in isolation of all the other labels you have.
Kim