Quote by Tania
Ageism is not allowed on my boat!
Just curious, do you mean this is your boat or just one that you would be organising and travelling on
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Orgasminator
LOL
I do not own a boat (wish I did, though!)
As for organising something big, I don't see why some people seem worried about it. You don't know my credentials from my vanilla life, you don't know what amounts of money I have handled and what events I have organised and how successful they were or not.
If you read back to my first post on this thread, I asked for ideas about a possible swinging cruise. It is all in the conception stage, still; it is not even down on the planning board.
You have rightly mentioned that the people would have to know each other and feel confident with each other. Well, we have the time to get to know each other, I believe.
You have rightly freaked out about the cost but I have already said that is a guesstimate of a luxury cruise including all other expenses. A guesstimate is just that: guessing an estimate without having adequate information, it is not a reality so don't get too hung on it, please.
As for guaranteed action, I am sorry, nothing in this life is guaranteed, except death and taxes.
And true, I have only been to one social so far but I think it is irrelevant. It is like telling a couple about to get married that they have not attended many weddings themselves, therefore they are not qualified to organise their own and cannot hope for success under the circumstances...
So please, let us stick to constructive criticism, if criticism be necessary. I wanted ideas, input, advice, help. Telling me it cannot happen is not helping me.
Thank you.
I do not own a boat (wish I did, though!)
As for organising something big, I don't see why some people seem worried about it. You don't know my credentials from my vanilla life, you don't know what amounts of money I have handled and what events I have organised and how successful they were or not.
If you read back to my first post on this thread, I asked for ideas about a possible swinging cruise. It is all in the conception stage, still; it is not even down on the planning board.
You have rightly mentioned that the people would have to know each other and feel confident with each other. Well, we have the time to get to know each other, I believe.
You have rightly freaked out about the cost but I have already said that is a guesstimate of a luxury cruise including all other expenses. A guesstimate is just that: guessing an estimate without having adequate information, it is not a reality so don't get too hung on it, please.
As for guaranteed action, I am sorry, nothing in this life is guaranteed, except death and taxes.
And true, I have only been to one social so far but I think it is irrelevant. It is like telling a couple about to get married that they have not attended many weddings themselves, therefore they are not qualified to organise their own and cannot hope for success under the circumstances...
So please, let us stick to constructive criticism, if criticism be necessary. I wanted ideas, input, advice, help. Telling me it cannot happen is not helping me.
Thank you.
Quote by Tania
...If you read back to my first post on this thread, I asked for ideas about a possible swinging cruise. It is all in the conception stage, still; it is not even down on the planning board....
You have rightly mentioned that the people would have to know each other and feel confident with each other. Well, we have the time to get to know each other, I believe....
...As for guaranteed action, I am sorry, nothing in this life is guaranteed, except death and taxes.....
aside from anything else - the point you're missing here is that you're planning a 'swingers cruise' to which people need to pay a guestimate figure of 3 grand. I might be wrong, but I'd assume people would want thier money's worth. There will be a certain expectation, 11 people on a boat that's been marketed as a swingers cruise is not going to be a social event.
And true, I have only been to one social so far but I think it is irrelevant. It is like telling a couple about to get married that they have not attended many weddings themselves, therefore they are not qualified to organise their own and cannot hope for success under the circumstances...
True Tania, I'll give you that - but a swingers cruise when only a couple of weeks ago you were just dipping your toe into the swinging scene??
So please, let us stick to constructive criticism, if criticism be necessary. I wanted ideas, input, advice, help. Telling me it cannot happen is not helping me.
You posted your idea- you'll get responses - both negative and positive. Its a forum, you cant control that like its a boardroom meeting. People have opinions, and will give them. Its the nature of the beast. Sorry.
Quote by Tania
With regards to the participants, first I don't expect too many people would be able to afford this kind of holiday and second those who could might not have the luxury of time due to hard working schedules, family arrangements, etc. So that will leave a very small number of people interested. Out of these, I expect at least 75% to be willing in spirit but not really able to commit early enough. So there will be few people left and if these people are known to the forums and through munches and generally get on well with everybody, then there will be a good base for participants. Then it is first come-first served - those who will be able to confirm early and put up the deposit, will be the ones going.
I am now looking into the option of bareback - sorry! bareboat chartering with the hiring of a skipper. If anyone here has a sailing diploma and does not mind skippering, please make yourself known.
As for play out in the open, that should be possible in remote beaches or late at night when the crew are out having a good time in town and I would emphasise to the agent that this will be a clothes optional charter (for us, not them!) so they can pair us with unshockable crew members.
Hopefully some other people will help the development of this project with their input. Don't be shy, even if you can't come, your ideas are welcome!
The daughter of a colleague of mine worked on one of these cruisers summer 2005 that shipped out of Greece, Not a cheap option but came with full (if small) crew who saw to everything, Hired for as long as client wanted (with varying rates obviously) and schedule and excursions planned by the clients.
Apparently all clients had a gr8 time from a 3 day up to an American oilman's party of 14 for two weeks.
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Sex God
During the 1980's and early 90's I was involved extensively in the holiday industry - my obsrvations:
1) £3,000/head is way off the mark for all sorts of reasons starting with the actual cost of chartering the vessel.
2) Limiting it to people who know each other is also a non starter - why would anyone pay a large amount of money to holiday with people they already know - it may as well just be a group of friends organising a private charter.
There are Swinging Cruises already operating and it would be easier and much, much cheaper to charter a small flotilla and then divide that cost equally between users.
Alternatively, if you really want a Swingers Cruise - do what SDC do (see web site for balearic take over) and Charter a large cruie liner and advertise it all over the world - I would still bet it would not be £3,000/head and you would have all nationalities on your menu of potential playmates.
Tania - this is no crticism, I just think that you are a bit off the mark and perhaps need to re-think your concept. Personally I 9in fact we both) think it is a good idea but baulked severely at the anticipated cost - twice as much as a ten day trip to Hedo !!
1) £3,000/head is way off the mark for all sorts of reasons starting with the actual cost of chartering the vessel.
2) Limiting it to people who know each other is also a non starter - why would anyone pay a large amount of money to holiday with people they already know - it may as well just be a group of friends organising a private charter.
There are Swinging Cruises already operating and it would be easier and much, much cheaper to charter a small flotilla and then divide that cost equally between users.
Alternatively, if you really want a Swingers Cruise - do what SDC do (see web site for balearic take over) and Charter a large cruie liner and advertise it all over the world - I would still bet it would not be £3,000/head and you would have all nationalities on your menu of potential playmates.
Tania - this is no crticism, I just think that you are a bit off the mark and perhaps need to re-think your concept. Personally I 9in fact we both) think it is a good idea but baulked severely at the anticipated cost - twice as much as a ten day trip to Hedo !!
Orgasminator
Hello Too Hot
Thanks for your comments. Chartering a big cruise ship would be better but that is a project and a half and I am not sure I want to get involved with its organisation as it would demand a lot of my time and energy.
I have now found another boat that would cost £1100 for 10 days per person. So that would bring the cost down to just £1500 per person including airfare and land transfers, possibly even a hotel overnight.
After all the negativity, however, I am just looking into chartering a yacht for just me and a handful of pals. At the end of the day, my pleasure matters and I won't be happy with people who are not sociable and outgoing.
Now I am off to research 'swinging cruises' to see if any take place local to me... ;)
Thanks for your comments. Chartering a big cruise ship would be better but that is a project and a half and I am not sure I want to get involved with its organisation as it would demand a lot of my time and energy.
I have now found another boat that would cost £1100 for 10 days per person. So that would bring the cost down to just £1500 per person including airfare and land transfers, possibly even a hotel overnight.
After all the negativity, however, I am just looking into chartering a yacht for just me and a handful of pals. At the end of the day, my pleasure matters and I won't be happy with people who are not sociable and outgoing.
Now I am off to research 'swinging cruises' to see if any take place local to me... ;)
Quote by Tania
After all the negativity, however, I am just looking into chartering a yacht for just me and a handful of pals. At the end of the day, my pleasure matters and I won't be happy with people who are not sociable and outgoing.
Yeah... because not agreeing with you = being unsociable and not outgoing...
Quote by J3diMast3r
I think it'd be better to do something a bit less ambitious to start with
I'll get my tent
As I said earlier, I think in theory it's a great idea but logistically it would be a nightmare to arrange. If I were doing something like this I'd rather have people coming along who I already knew or could at least be vouched for by others. Attempting to put an idea of this scale into reality could cause more than a few headaches unless you're actually in the know ( not a tour operator are you Tania?
) I've been casting my eye across a few naturist and swingers holiday camp sites recently and while they're not quite in the same league as a cruise, it's more my price bracket for starters.
Tania, if you DO decide to go ahead with it then I wish you good luck :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
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2) Limiting it to people who know each other is also a non starter - why would anyone pay a large amount of money to holiday with people they already know - it may as well just be a group of friends organising a private charter.
There
i agree with a lot of what you say, with the exception of the above bit.
fair enough, IF we were talking about a large cruise liner, part of the attraction is the meeting of new people , and like you - i would prefer it not just to be people i already knew.
however, in a situation where you are going to be in a small confined space with the other people on a yacht, then i would prefer it to be people i already knew, and was as sure as i could be that i would not get bored, irritated, anoyed, scared etc etc of them.
to my mind, the idea of being cramped up with strangers who could turn out to be nightmares is definatley something that would put me off wanting to go.
This is a very entertaining thread.
Tania, I took the liberty of having a look at your profile, and comparing it with the stuff you're telling us in this thread.
Hello and thanks for looking at my profile. I am an extremely FAT and SHY female
And yet:
......Hmmm. So they pay upwards of £1500 to be stuck on board with a wallflower. Nice one. (Tania, a shy person wouldn't boss people about like you do in the forum.... )
I am one of these women who are ladies in public and sluts in private...
In that avatar you don't look too ladylike, lady
Fancy a swinging cruise early next summer? See the thread in the Cafe and let me know what you think!
And yet:
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Tania, I took the liberty of having a look at your profile, and comparing it with the stuff you're telling us in this thread.
Hello and thanks for looking at my profile. I am an extremely FAT and SHY female
And yet:
Quote by Tania
my pleasure matters and I won't be happy with people who are not sociable and outgoing.
......Hmmm. So they pay upwards of £1500 to be stuck on board with a wallflower. Nice one. (Tania, a shy person wouldn't boss people about like you do in the forum.... )
I am one of these women who are ladies in public and sluts in private...
In that avatar you don't look too ladylike, lady
Fancy a swinging cruise early next summer? See the thread in the Cafe and let me know what you think!
And yet:
Quote by Tania
I am just looking into chartering a yacht for just me and a handful of pals.
:roll: :roll: :roll: 
Sex God
handy link for an all inclusive cruise......
we did a week all inclusive in tunisia last summer(august) for £550 each.......for £3,000 we`d have a month out there.....or a new car
Orgasminator
I now have the estimate. It is £1800 per person for a 10-day cruise including airfare, land transfers, continental breakfast, lunch, tips, and VAT. The motor sailer has got double airconditioned cabins with private facilities, a lounge with TV/video, a full crew and sport facilities (windsurf, fishing, snorkelling, water ski but motorised sports come at an extra charge). Extra costs would be any hotel accommodaton before or after the cruise, alcoholic drinks, entrance fees, dinners, personal expenses.
The cost would fall to £1260 for a 7-day cruise or £1,080 without airfare.
Anyway, if anyone wants to arrange such a cruise, let me know and I'll pass on the agent's details to you as well as my best wishes.
The cost would fall to £1260 for a 7-day cruise or £1,080 without airfare.
Anyway, if anyone wants to arrange such a cruise, let me know and I'll pass on the agent's details to you as well as my best wishes.
I've been watching this thread with interest and wishing I'd got that sort of money for a holiday of any sort!
I'm now wondering if the new price you've quoted Tania, is for a swinging cruise in general run by an outside party, or a cruise organised by yourself for your friends to go on, as you did say this was your original intention. Just so that people know, thats all.
I'm now wondering if the new price you've quoted Tania, is for a swinging cruise in general run by an outside party, or a cruise organised by yourself for your friends to go on, as you did say this was your original intention. Just so that people know, thats all.
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.... and tonight Matthew, I'm going to be.... <drum roll>
....Judith Chalmers :shock:
:rascal:
Did you know she never wears knickers
It's all those hot climates she frequents Dawn - probably best as the thought of Judith Chalmers with a moist gusset is enough to make me go gay again ;)
Sex God
Quote by Bloke2005
.... and tonight Matthew, I'm going to be.... <drum roll>
....Judith Chalmers :shock:
:rascal:
Did you know she never wears knickers
It's all those hot climates she frequents Dawn - probably best as the thought of Judith Chalmers with a moist gusset is enough to make me go gay again ;)
Depends on what's making the gusset moist innit?
:scared: :shock: On second thoughts p'raps yer right!
Orgasminator
Quote by Alleyson
I've been watching this thread with interest and wishing I'd got that sort of money for a holiday of any sort!
I'm now wondering if the new price you've quoted Tania, is for a swinging cruise in general run by an outside party, or a cruise organised by yourself for your friends to go on, as you did say this was your original intention. Just so that people know, thats all.
Hi Alleyson
The estimate was given to me by the yacht broker. I only mentioned it here in case anyone wanted to get their group of friends together and organise such a cruise. I have decided against getting involved with organising such a cruise for the public for many and various reasons.
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Thanks to everyone for their thoughts on the matter.
Sex God
Quote by Tania
I've been watching this thread with interest and wishing I'd got that sort of money for a holiday of any sort!
I'm now wondering if the new price you've quoted Tania, is for a swinging cruise in general run by an outside party, or a cruise organised by yourself for your friends to go on, as you did say this was your original intention. Just so that people know, thats all.
Hi Alleyson
The estimate was given to me by the yacht broker. I only mentioned it here in case anyone wanted to get their group of friends together and organise such a cruise. I have decided against getting involved with organising such a cruise for the public for many and various reasons.
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Thanks to everyone for their thoughts on the matter.
That's a shame I'd just managed to scrape the £30,000 together for it!
