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I was taking in the cyber air and wondering the net the other night and came across an interesting article on the modern day swing scene, I thought to myself got to go to the forum with this I would like to hear some views. As usual with my long-winded posts I ask for your patience with me.
Accordingly Swinging is the ‘new black’ and the popularity of Swinging is soaring with an estimated 1-2 million participants taking part each weekend. (I didn’t say the sources where good, and who cares, give or take a couple of hundred thousand rolleyes )
What seems to be being suggested by the articles I have been reading is that Swinging is becoming polarised into two camps. The first of these being the ‘Old School.' (No points for originality there then). This camp believes that Swinging is and should be non-discriminatory, inclusive and eclectic in its approach and attitude. Having more to do with fun and it being unethical to discriminate.
The second camp the ‘New wave’ is moving in the direction of elitism. This being that Swinging is separated into. Like searching for like in respect of social status, wealth and not least how physically attractive a person is (Ok. this may be subjective to some, but take it to mean in general)
Personally I think that there is an inevitable gravitation towards social class etc whether right or wrong.. As in most things. Those that are in general attending a Working mans clubs are not attending country clubs and visa versa, I realise this is a generalisation but a fair one. Also that there must be a certain amount of personal kudos and badge wearing among some elements of the ‘community’ so physical looks would definitely mark highly in these cases. This is all very well although if this is done for reasons of vanity not fun then is that Swinging?
What are members views on this would they agree with the above that Swinging is very elitist or not? There are so many holes in the above topic I know. Although that does give great scope for discussion so fire into it with gusto please.
For us, all we have personally experienced in Swinging so far is generally really good and really positive socially and sexually. A good example is Minxy’s Bristol munch this past Saturday. goodness knows how many people from all walks of life lots of drinking, dancing, talking and flirting all in great humour and not one hint to my partner and I of any interior tension. Where else do you get that in a packed city centre pub on a Saturday night eh?
then i definately fall into the old school category.
but i am sure there was a thread some time ago about a club in Leeds i think it was, that only allowed, slim, pretty females in an athletic handsome blokes in and i am sure there was age restrictions too, along the lines of no one over 35 kinda thing.
not even sure if it was this site but am sure someone will know which club i am talking about.
Earthy xx
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Personally I think that there is an inevitable gravitation towards social class etc whether right or wrong.. As in most things. Those that are in general attending a Working mans clubs are not attending country clubs and visa versa, I realise this is a generalisation but a fair one. Also that there must be a certain amount of personal kudos and badge wearing among some elements of the ‘community’ so physical looks would definitely mark highly in these cases. This is all very well although if this is done for reasons of vanity not fun then is that Swinging?

I think this will always be, there will never be a "letting down of the walls" in social class no matter how far we come and that is down to individuals and the way they have been brought up I'm afraid.
New wave & elitism, old school inclusive and eclectic...
No matter what label anyone wants to put on it, swinging will always be a choice for the person(s) involved.
If any of you have a preference for who you want to swing with are you being elitist?
If a group of people all have the same tastes to the exclusion of anyone elses are they to be pillored for extolling elitism?
An 'inevitable' gravitation towards social class or preferences for a particular type of person male or female is neither right or wrong!
I personally refuse to judge anyone just because I do not meet their swinging criteria.
Nobody will ever be all things to everybody!
The letting down of walls is purely a choice for the individual(s) & will not be a governing factor if I sit with them enjoying a pint & good banter! :thumbup:
Quote by redpantherman
New wave & elitism, old school inclusive and eclectic...
No matter what label anyone wants to put on it, swinging will always be a choice for the person(s) involved.
If any of you have a preference for who you want to swing with are you being elitist?
If a group of people all have the same tastes to the exclusion of anyone elses are they to be pillored for extolling elitism?
An 'inevitable' gravitation towards social class or preferences for a particular type of person male or female is neither right or wrong!
I personally refuse to judge anyone just because I do not meet their swinging criteria.
Nobody will ever be all things to everybody!
The letting down of walls is purely a choice for the individual(s) & will not be a governing factor if I sit with them enjoying a pint & good banter! :thumbup:

worship You saved me writing all that out :thumbup:
In all honestly we can say that we are very non judgmental miss srne an me, we get along with anyone, gay, straight, black, white,old or young whatever as long as they are genuine people and are nice and friendly we will chat to them and get along like a house on fire!
When we attended the NE munch we got on and had a great time with the broad spectrum of the swinging community and it was a fantastic night, however we are very selective with our swinging partners, not because we are segregating any section of the swinging community or think of ourselves as elitists or anything, we do this purely because we will only have that type of sexual experience with people we choose and are attracted to.
In reality we look for people who are of similar age to us, of similar stunning appearance and who probably fit the typical stereotype of an "elitist swinger" you mentioned but thats not why we choose them over dorris and eddy who are 45 & 42 from Grimsby, an like a drink and a good laugh, its just because we dont fancy them, not cos we are trying to be the height of swinging social society
I just think that some people look to people from similar age groups, of similar appearance and interests to them to "hedge their bets" for want of better words, of getting along and having a sucesfull meet up. Im sure if you asked the people we chat to on the chatrooms an stuff whether they thought we were "elitist" or whatever they would say no (we hope)as we will socially get along with anyone like we said earlier who is genuine and nice.
So, in answer to your question Lost, we dont think there is an elitism really or an old school or new school, just people in a community (in this instance swinging) who look for people that match their requirements or are what they are looking for to meet with. Again this is always an opinion an thats the great thing about the cafe, everyone has one an are entitled to theirs
Quote by redpantherman
New wave & elitism, old school inclusive and eclectic...
No matter what label anyone wants to put on it, swinging will always be a choice for the person(s) involved.
If any of you have a preference for who you want to swing with are you being elitist?
If a group of people all have the same tastes to the exclusion of anyone elses are they to be pillored for extolling elitism?
An 'inevitable' gravitation towards social class or preferences for a particular type of person male or female is neither right or wrong!
I personally refuse to judge anyone just because I do not meet their swinging criteria.
Nobody will ever be all things to everybody!
The letting down of walls is purely a choice for the individual(s) & will not be a governing factor if I sit with them enjoying a pint & good banter! :thumbup:

yeah what he said lol
Quote by Srne
In all honestly we can say that we are very non judgmental miss srne an me, we get along with anyone, gay, straight, black, white,old or young whatever as long as they are genuine people and are nice and friendly we will chat to them and get along like a house on fire!
however we are very selective with our swinging partners, not because we are segregating any section of the swinging community or think of ourselves as elitists or anything, we do this purely because we will only have that type of sexual experience with people we choose and are attracted to.
In reality we look for people who are of similar age to us, and who probably fit the typical stereotype of an "elitist swinger" you mentioned but thats not why we choose them over dorris and eddy who are 45 & 42 from Grimsby, an like a drink and a good laugh, its just because we dont fancy them, not cos we are trying to be the height of swinging social society
I just think that some people look to people from similar age groups, of similar appearance and interests to them to "hedge their bets" for want of better words, of getting along and having a sucesfull meet up. Im sure if you asked the people we chat to on the chatrooms an stuff whether they thought we were "elitist" or whatever they would say no (we hope)as we will socially get along with anyone like we said earlier who is genuine and nice.

:thumbup: i couldn't have said that better....no seriously i couldn't have!
I'm definitely an old school sort of person....I don't discriminate on age, height, weight, colour, sexuality etc...
And Munches are great places to be cause there are a huge mix of people of all shapes and sizes who just want to meet people and have a great time...
As an undergraduate I recall reading an article in a sociology book which claimed that swinging was a phenomenon that was confined almost exclusively to white, middle class, professional American couples. People from different backgrounds, especially single males, were shunned. If the article had any foundation in truth, it appears that elitism has existed in swinging circles for quite some time, at least on the other side of the pond. In general, my personal experience of swinging, both as a single male and as part of a couple, has been that people from all backgrounds share this lifestyle together. However,I have noted a certain ageism and body fascism in a few circles in recent times, most notably Fever Parties.
So I guess that I am old school too biggrin
I think that you guys in the above post are right it is just a matter of 'the way it' is regards swinging or anything else in the way of lifestyle/s.
I think the idea of exclusivity on clubs etc is a little dubious though and surely that maybe elitism and i can see that being wrong.
Thanks for post guys
What an interesting thread.
We look for people similar to ourselves ( interests & outlook).
We wouldn't regard ourselves as elitist or otherwise, just know what we are looking for.
There's a wide spectrum out there, catering for various tastes. We wouldn't condemn anyone for preferring supermodels in the same way we wouldn't condemn anybody into BBW. It's a just a matter of personal preference.
It would be a boring world if the same thing made us all twitch.
Hopefully people are more interested in that wonderful sex organ inside your head.
The reason why people are involved in this "life style" is of far more interest....
( Closes large tome & leaves pulpit ).
I'm not sure there is an elite group of swingers out there. Do they have some special place to do training?
And if they have passed some kind of test do they get a new beret to wear? rolleyes
And where would they go to find other elitist swingers, Maui? , The Hamptons?, maybe they borrow Sir Cliffs gaff in the Bahamas? Kind of expensive if you have a baby sitter at home? lol
Obviously generations come and go and will have an interest in swinging. Currently its being hyped up to be very popular so I can understand there is an influx of people with a variety of different perspectives on it.
I think most people will partner off with someone else who they feel is from a similar background, as they simply have more opportunities to converse and share a relationship. So a good deal of the 'offish' behaviour comes about from people getting it wrong with each other.
After all I wouldn't expect to have much entertainment by hooking up with a tramp. wink
Lost can you define old school? when i say this i mean what was the meaning from the actual article you've taken it from, I'm guessing its the old keys in a bowl senario where you'll have to take whatever comes along (pardon the pun) im also asuming it means sexual practise and not just social, the reason i asked this is i've seen a few people post saying they guess they must be old school as they visit munches and will basically get on with anyone ragardless of weight, height, age race etc, which lets be honest is an easy thing to do even the so called people of the swinging elitism could do this? after all theres a huge difference with socialising and being intimate and im sure the very fussy people amounst us will socialise with anyone and have a ball at any social/munch they attend, what this article seems to be getting at or sorry it may be the way im seeing it is the old school swingers have no particular preference and will sleep with anyone regardless, like i mentioned before the old keys in a bowl senario, ie you'll take what you get its just for fun.