read in the paper recently that this whole 'green' thing stemmed from comments made by maggie thatcher against scargill when he was holding the country to ransom with the miners strikes. it was picked up by do gooders who exploded it into the crap we have to put up with today, despite the fact at the time it was totally recently there have been scientists from around the world ( real ones, not the quangos made up experts) that are putting forward virtually indisputable evidence that the whole 'green' issue is a load of BOLLOX.
what is happening in the world today has been cyclic since the planet came into being, & there aint feck all anyone can do about it. look back to when our country used to be GREAT britain, we led the world in technology, factories spewed out great gobs of what are now classed as pollutants yet it is only long after they cleaned up their acts we suddenly get holes in the ozone layer that can be fixed by giving the government large sums of money to line their pockets, sorry, put things right.
this kinda blows their crap about car pollution away. besides, all they do to 'decrease' pollution gets proved bollox after we get mugged for it. speed humps, cause more pollution by drivers slowing down over them then accelerating to the next one, catalytic converters, reduce co2? pump out more carcinogenics, prius dual fuel cars, bin proved they dont work, etc, etc.
if you really want to feck the powers that be, buy a pre '72 yank muscle car, no road tax, loads of 'pollution' & classy looks, & at present, sod all they can do about it
sorry about the rant but this country is going to hell in a handcart, & its no use even voting cos the government always gets in.
That will change very soon though, and its not just 4x4 owners that will feel the brunt either, families with older cars who can't afford to buy a newer one are also targeted.
Its measured on the co2 output of the cars engine..
Information that will be on the vehicles V5.
Checked the V5 thingy and it falls in to the £190 bracket.
Hi all,
Just to put my twopennorth in.
I have a K reg 2.4 litre Toyota Hilux TD. I do a total of 125 miles a week, going to my catering trailer and towing it 5 miles a week. All my other mileage I do in a nice, normal, environmentally friendly little citroen. I probably do a fraction of the damage to the environment, week on week, than some repmobile doing 1500 miles a week. If Gordy whacks my road tax up, I'll have to sell my smaller car to help cover the cost. I cant afford to keep them both but I need the 4x4 for my business. Therefore, if I'm going to pay £400 road tax, I'm going to get my bloody moneys worth from it!!! How is this in any way an environmentally friendly tax??? Its not. The Govmnt just want to scare you and find new ways of parting you from your cash.
Next election, vote Monster Raving Loony!!!!
It would be better to say that the gov (and their green gestapo) want you to stop DRIVING your car, but keep taxing it. Most drive only a few miles a week, so they would keep the car running. Those that drive a few hundred a week would find other forms of tranport, those that drive a few thousand a week are probably driving a company vehicle.
It's a fine balancing act between being green and getting the revenue.
The desired result from the FOE and GP point of view is that ordinary people (those not in the green party or members of friends of their arse) stop driving altogether and use the bus (which is about as green as bottle of pee)
What these ninnys are a bit remiss about is telling us where the money comes from to maintain the roads when the 50 billion that currently comes from the various taxes dries up. It's not the economy, stupid. It's power, stupid. Theirs, over yours.
What you need to worry about is not the 4X4 drivers, it's yourself. The 4X4s' and the m/cycles (yes, they are being tafgetted too....did you know that a bike gives out the same CO2 as a 4X4 ?....you didn't ?...well, it doesn't...but that isn't stopping the mad mullahs of anti-motoring) are just at the front of the queue for attacks....the real target is to get people to stop driving and stop flying.....in fact, stop moving.....nice little blobs of meat stuck in one place.
Mind you, most diesel buses do about 7mpg....trucks about 9mpg....and the good old london taxi pollutes worse than a tractor...
As for your sandals....dunno...but you're a blond....so you can do what you like !
So RFL will double over the next 3 years but a new zero carbon house up to the value of £500,000 is stamp duty free.....
Whoopy fekindoo
Just as an aside (and probably quite annoying to some) but Bedford has 4 private schools and the amount of lone women driving 1 child to school in their BMW X5 of Porche 4x4 is bloody ludicrous and entirely unnecessary.
I drive a 1.6 car, I can afford a bigger/faster one but I don't need it!
Well I think I have the solution to this.
The vehicle I have in mind is a 4x4, pulls up 20 tons with ease, does 50 mph and attracts ZERO rated tax. Its downside is that it only has one seat and does around 8 mpg. Its size means that you have to take up four parking spaces in Tescos and it definately wont go into a multi-story car park.
Yes, people who know me will know what I`m talking about ....... a tractor, more specifically a JCB Fastrac ........ :giggle:
Probably because its a road fund licence and nowt else, thats like saying you both have a gym membership and someone goes 10 times a year more than you so why should you have to pay the same, we already have excessive duty on fuel so the more miles you cover per annum the more its gonna hit your pocket or am i missing something? People were arguing on this thread they needed 4x4's to pull caravans which i understand but having to do excessive miles each year due to the type of job you do i can also understand, whats the difference? appart from making a living is more important than leisure, or it is to me.
and bear in mind the £300 rfl only affects band G vehicles registered on or after march 2006.
Yes, the 4x4 tax is unfair.
If you live in the middle of nowhere and to go anywhere you have to travel along roads which are barely roads, then it really is a necessity and you should not be penalised with higher tax.
If you live in a rural area close to towns or cities with serviced roads – yes you should pay more.
If you live in an urban area – fuck it, double it again and make it compulsory to wear a hat with “twat” or similar wording written on the front (especially when it is being used for the half mile school run and the trip to the local supermarket).
Oh and anyone who uses the farting cow argument…
I will gladly sit for a couple of hours behind a farting cow in a field, IF, you will spend the same amount of time sitting behind a 4x4 with the engine running.
PoloLady its not just 4x4's though, most family sized cars with a 2.0 or more engine fall into this category even more so if they have a turbo fitted, im all for the 4x4 issue when people don't require them but what if they do? and what about families of 5 or 6 that need a people carrier? or a larger family sized car like an vectra, audi, bmw just to name a few. but whats worse is if someone has the exact same car but a year old the road tax increase doesn't affect them so where the logic in that? surely if its for the enviroment like they suggest all vehicles is the category should be hit not just brand new ones? after all people will just buy a car registered before march 2006.
okay.. we live in France so in real terms we are (fortuantely) unaffected by this situation and as such you can all tell us to naff off!!!... However..
The current UK government like those that have gone before, have taken muliples of millions from the pockets of motorists over the years.
Only a tiny percentage has ever been put back into the transport infrastructure to be able to offer people a viable alternative to the car.
Using 'green' excuses to charge people more money is, I'm afraid, just another form of taxation. If it could be said that the money is or has been invested in worthwhile transport improvements, then OK - but it hasn't..The UK government excuse for increasing the airport tax was "to save the environment" so.. how has that money been invested to stop airline polution???
Perhaps its time to ask Mr Brown that how come with all this extra cash (increased oil revenues, taxes etc) that he has increased the countries borrowing???
i normally dont get involved in threads like this simply cos i really dont know enough about it but:-
congestions charges, tolls etc have been placed on busy city centres, london being one of them, to encourage people to use public transport, but the public transport system cant cope with the amount of people that use it now. it was only a week or so ago i was listening to the radio and they are having to put longer trains on the busiest commuter routes, but arent going to do this for another 7 yrs or summit.
how can they have it all ways, they want us to use public transport, but it doesnt cut the mustard, so they try to discourage us from driving by increasing taxes, toll charges,
aww bollox, see now i have lost what i was trying to say, should have just shut up lol
Earthy xx
