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Right - the topic of ageism comes up alot in the chat room so thought i'd address the situation and the why's and why not's of the subject!
We're a young couple ourselves so its a topic that concerns us directly, but we - over our time so far on SH - have gathered why people think differently about various things.
Younger people on the site sometimes feel offended with the "too young" tag - so here's an attempt to end any upset on the matter!
"We/I don't meet younger people because...
Reason Number 1: - "... you're not mature enough."
This is the number one reason that gets the backs of us "youngies" way up. It's the assumption that all people of a certain age are giggly street chav alcoholics who are wind-up merchants. In this case, age becomes almost a sign in some peoples eyes that someone isn't genuine.
Although the swinging scene is undoubtedly getting younger, this attitude does exist - and sadly there is a valid point behind it.
The vast majority of younger couples/singles DO lack the maturity to even accept their sexuality properly, never mind be able to distinguish whether they do or don't want to consider swinging as a lifestyle. It is a rare characteristic that at times needs a life of experience to understand yourself and your desires so that you can make a conscientious decision about what you want to do.
Unfortunately, genuine young people are still few and far between - and swingers who are wary of such people have a right to be wary.
Reason Number 2: - "... you're the same age as our sons/daughters!"
This can't be argued with!
We put ourselves in the shoes of those who say this; and you really can't argue!
People ultimately have different wants and the swinging scene, as much as it is about making friends and having fun, is about getting what you want sexually - and if what you want sexually is someone who doesn't remind you of your children, then thats that!
Reason Number 3: - "... we're/i'm fed up with timewasters your age."
Now this is alot harder to swallow, as it belies the attitude that swingers usually have of being open minded.
This is a again a symptom of too many "kids" signing up to SH and other such sites, acting like a genuine person, and ultimately turning into nothing.
Reason Number 4: - "... you will have absolutely nothing in common with me/us."
Whilst I can understand this, i think this is a very feeble excuse in general.
What things in life are not allowed to be discussed by adults no matter what age?
For instance, I am personally interested in the arts, theatre, law and politics amongst other things; whilst also being able to have fun, socialise, discuss social events etc.
While accepting that not everyone who is young will be like this, the "umbrella" effect of labelling all younger people as disinterested and into their own private affairs is somewhat unfair.
Again, it is upto the youths of the site to get involved, get along to munches, informally socialise and show people your mental qualities - which are every single bit as important as your physical ones!
To summarise, for us "young 'uns" more than most, respect has to be earnt - and if genuinely interested in the swinging lifestyle, then it will be!
But don't be offended by people simply stating what they feel - there is always a reason!!!
T & L xxx
p.s. this is not a rant!!!!!!! lol
Well, you'll be too young for me by next week! lol
kiss
Gem. x
24 next friday and pleaed to be sexually liberated at an age where i'm footloose and fancy free. biggrin
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Well, you'll be too young for me by next week! lol
kiss
Gem. x
24 next friday and pleaed to be sexually liberated at an age where i'm footloose and fancy free. biggrin

Completely agree Gem!
But you'll never be too old for us ya sexy thing! wink
T & L xxx
Oooo Gem, you're getting old! pmsl
Seriously, I agree with you, I'm only 27 and single so I am enjoying myself enormously and exploring my boundaries.
I think that you are right and that people do tend to judge if you are younger, they don;t think you neccessarily have the maturity tey fell is neccessary, I also agree with you that, that isn't always to with age. Unfortunately, we do get a large number of younger (usually men, or boys!) who use the site and treat it as an instant-shag place, and who post the most riduclous stuff. Unfortunately, tend to cloud some peoples view I think. The best thing is for people to get to know you, through posts on forum, in chat and in person at socials and munches.
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Right - the topic of ageism comes up alot in the chat room so thought i'd address the situation and the why's and why not's of the subject!
Younger people on the site sometimes feel offended with the "too young" tag - so here's an attempt to end any upset on the matter!
"We/I don't meet younger people because...
p.s. this is not a rant!!!!!!! lol

I'm not sure about what the other old farts will think, but . . . . . . . .
I'm glad you've brought this up, in the way that you have.
Now, sit down and listen to Uncle Dammy rolleyes
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Reason Number 1: - "... you're not mature enough."
This is the number one reason that gets the backs of us "youngies" way up. It's the assumption that all people of a certain age are giggly street chav alcoholics who are wind-up merchants. In this case, age becomes almost a sign in some peoples eyes that someone isn't genuine.

I'm quite sure someone wiser and more eloquent will be along tomorrow with the "experience versus youth" slant, but thought I'd give you my ramblings now.
I can only speak personally, and I'm concerned that what I'm about to say could come over in the written word as patronising. That isn't my intent.
My comments aren't aimed at Tra-n-Lee, but as you post as a couple; I'd like to address the younger couple aspect and leave the younger Swingles for another day.
Your assumption isn't strictly true.
For me the question of maturity, is more about how well you know yourself, andyour partner; and the relationship as an entity. Inside. In the very depth of your character.
Some older (ffs :rollsmile people might think that the yougnsters can't "handle it"
StopStopStop. Let me try to explain that.
"Swinging is about just pure sex" Yeah - right :dry:
No matter the style of sex. No matter how hot, dirty, sweaty, animalistic or base the "sex" is, you are still giving of yourself. Both male and female. Whether you accept or believe that you are "giving of yourself" or not; I would say that your partner will. At some level. Even if it's buried somewhere deep inside and denied.
To give of yourself, to a third party, outside the "relationship" is a massive thing. No matter how many times you sayyou want to. No matter how long and and hard you think about it. It's huge.
One of my biggest fears in this lifestyle is to be the cause, or part of the cause; of upset and hurt.
I'm trying hard not to do here, the "When I was your age . . . blahblahblah bullshit" The same as I try not to do it irl.
I'm actually one of the first that you'll hear say "Age is just a number" (Well, I would wouldn't I :roll: ) And I mean that at both ends of the scale.
But . . . . . . . . . .
I think it's human nature that we can only measure other people initially by our own 'standards' and beliefs. I say initially, because let's not forget, most of the first seeds (for playing) are sown here, in this weird and wonderful cross over place between cyberland and reality. Be it the forums, the chatroom, msn or the Photo Ads. So the question always comes to mind - "How/What was I in my early 20s ?" "mid 20s ?" Even "late 20s ?"
I realise as I type this, and every time I hear the questions in my mind, how unfair(?) that is. But it's sort of a safety net. For all concerned. Again - I'm speaking for myself only, but I do know some other old farts that have very similar views.
On paper, would I want to play with young 20 somethings ?
On paper ? My ego certainly would. The realist, and unfortunately the cynic, within me would ring all sorts of alarm bells. For them. And for me.
And let's not forget; there's the question of keeping up. I have enough trouble keeping up with some of the 30 somethings redface :lol2:
You may have noticed that I've used the 20s decade as a benchmark. That's because I (personally) would say that I don't play with people under 30. Of course - I reserve the get out clause "unless I know them really well" (My ego wouldn't want to miss something spectacular for the sake of a silly self imposed rule)
So . . . . . . . :sleeping:
When an old fart says "You're too young . . . . . . " - they are not necessarily saying it in a derogatory way while looking down their noses at you. Some of them will be saying it out of concern. For you - whether you want it or not. (some old folks are like that) And for themselves.
And to save anyone going hunting and looking - I'm 45, but getting younger every day wink
P.S. This is not a rant either. I have as much "time" for youngsters and I do my fellow old farts kiss
Dosent that also work with older people
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We got an email back for a couple saying we were to young as they were 50.
But we didnt think so or we wouldent have mailed them .
I did feel old when i was out with you lot but that my problem.
Iwant to act silly and do feel younger than i am but i try to pretend im my age so younger people dont think im a complete whats the saying.
mutton dressed as lamb lol ohhhh i know i as young as the man im feeling lol .
Age is just a number and i would meet younger couples and older its the person not the age .
lol
I can see what you're saying about there being an amount of concern about younger swingers Dammy - but to me thats a bit patronising!
If a couple has came to sensible decision regarding what they want to try and explore - then they do!
The way me and Tra see it is as an extension of our sex lives; swinging with other people is like... well... being with "human sex toys"!
I don't mean that offensively! We love the social side of the scene and people on this very site can vouch for that!
But sexually we see swinging with people as sexual enjoyment with the aid of a 3rd party - as much as a dildo or a vibrator is, but much much more fun! (hope that conveys what i mean properly!!!)
So whilst i do hear what your saying, I feel it falls under Reason Number 1 of people feeling young people aren't mature enough. It's a fair point. Your view just elaborates on that and gives details on why people believe we're immature from an "oldies" (joke!!!) point of view!
We've met people from this site who have initially been very wary of our age, and have ultimately come to see us as way ahead of our years mentally.
And thats the problem - if we did act our age, then yes, we probably wouldn't be mature enough!
I know it sounds very strange, but we don't really swing with people our own age! Because....
A) They hardly exist!
B) When they do exist, they seem to be unsure and "thin on the ground" in terms of knowing what they want out of swinging.
C) We don't tend to get along as easily with people our own age, unless they have a certain liberal mindset which is rare amongst young people! We love the interaction and conversation that can be had with people more on our "level" personally.
So we also have a type of snobbery against ourselves!
Completely agree that getting yourself known is paramount to earning respect - its tough for us to attend munches and socials for various reasons; but for those who can, you certainly should!
The reason this thread was created was to help people who get frustrated who are in a similar position to us.
In short, the best advice for anyone is "look at both sides of the story". biggrin
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I can see what you're saying about there being an amount of concern about younger swingers Dammy - but to me thats a bit patronising!

Then I failed completely to get my sentiments across in the written word.
My apologies.
But, let's not get tangled up in knots about it.
Reading your post in full; we're not a million miles apart.
One day we may get to share a beer and a chat.
(If you get me before about 9ish, you mightget some sense out of me)
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I can see what you're saying about there being an amount of concern about younger swingers Dammy - but to me thats a bit patronising!

Then I failed completely to get my sentiments across in the written word.
My apologies.
But, let's not get tangled up in knots about it.
Reading your post in full; we're not a million miles apart.
One day we may get to share a beer and a chat.
(If you get me before about 9ish, you mightget some sense out of me)
Nope, our fault - the word "patronising" is completely wrong! Far too strong - as your entire post was completely respectful!!!!
So my apologies! redface
And yep, ours is a Stella each - or a Bud if ya rich! lol
One of us should learn to drive one day :cry: stops us going munches almost full stop!
And it IS before 9! wink
The younger office of "Age Concern" is this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Meetings are being held about once a month these days
phredd (lives in a sarcophagus for OAP's) and likes the place.
I am a geezer of advanced age, but I do not have a problem having sex with young people, it is just the fact that I am on the begging end and would be embarrassed if anyone younger turned me down.
I am slim, clean, friendly, don't smell and not pushy, but would be wary of a young person making derogatory remarks about my age, so, I dare not make the first move and can not bring myself to attend a Munch for the same reason.
So, I'm afraid I am stuck in the wilderness ! "Checkmate" HELP.........
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I am a geezer of advanced age, but I do not have a problem having sex with young people, it is just the fact that I am on the begging end and would be embarrassed if anyone younger turned me down.
......

Ditto, but 49... Where's me zimmer frame gone... rolleyes
It's quite bizarre you know... I can't remember exactly when I made the transition from "too young" to "too old", but it seems to have happened very suddenly. I think I was the "right age" for about two weeks some time in my mid 30s. dunno
Hi there,
Thought i would add my 2 pence, being a 'younger swinger',
From our experiance here,When we first joined this site. we we're very worried how people here would take to us. I think, we made a thread asking what everyone thought about couple's our age and if we would be welcome here.
Well, we we're welcomed with open arm's, Nearly everyone said that our age was not an issue when it come's to swinging. yes, we have had knock back from couple's here who say that we are too young for them to swing with, And yes we have also not played with couple's because maybe they we're just a little bit too old for us. Not everyone is for everyone. there will alway's be reason's why couple's dont swing with each other.
But, we have still become good friend's with them. Very good friend's in fact. When i see them on here or in the chatroom. I get treated equally, no different to anybody else. I'm still a swinger. Same with munch's, been to a couple now and have had fantastic time's.
People looked after us, not 'cos of our age but becos we we're newbies' again no different to anybody else. Everyone made the effort to talk to us, and was really friendly. I could safely say that no one felt awkward round us and us with them.
We enjoyed them so much, that i nearly put my name down for every munch there was.
But then reality hit me and it was'nt possible to get to that many munch's, so we had to pull out a few. when we told people that we could'nt go, they we're genuinely gutted for us becos they either wanted to see us again or meet us for the first time.
Swinging is a atitude,a right frame of open mind and maturity is needed for swinging, there's no adult age limit for maturity.I've met 48 yr old's not really very mature, but,I've also met plenty of mature young swinger's (phantom single bi-fem's as well) with the right open mind and atitude who are very active swinger's here.
Age is just a number. not a problem. When i've told people my age in the chatroom, some have been surprised but again still treat me the same. we've never been considered time waster's, i think most people here know you can be any age to mess people about. So i dont belive that anyone think's time waster's and age have any relevance with each other? but i could be wrong?.
This site is has people of all age's,size's and colour. Be patient, get to know people and make friend's. And you will find there's lot's of people of all age's to play with.
That's from my personal experiance here. hope it help's.
Luv Lm2hot2handle
Age 20
Swinger
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Hi there,
Thought i would add my 2 pence, being a 'younger swinger',
From our experiance here,When we first joined this site. we we're very worried how people here would take to us. I think, we made a thread asking what everyone thought about couple's our age and if we would be welcome here.
Well, we we're welcomed with open arm's, Nearly everyone said that our age was not an issue when it come's to swinging. yes, we have had knock back from couple's here who say that we are too young for them to swing with, And yes we have also not played with couple's because maybe they we're just a little bit too old for us. Not everyone is for everyone. there will alway's be reason's why couple's dont swing with each other.
But, we have still become good friend's with them. Very good friend's in fact. When i see them on here or in the chatroom. I get treated equally, no different to anybody else. I'm still a swinger. Same with munch's, been to a couple now and have had fantastic time's.
People looked after us, not 'cos of our age but becos we we're newbies' again no different to anybody else. Everyone made the effort to talk to us, and was really friendly. I could safely say that no one felt awkward round us and us with them.
We enjoyed them so much, that i nearly put my name down for every munch there was.
But then reality hit me and it was'nt possible to get to that many munch's, so we had to pull out a few. when we told people that we could'nt go, they we're genuinely gutted for us becos they either wanted to see us again or meet us for the first time.
Swinging is a atitude,a right frame of open mind and maturity is needed for swinging, there's no adult age limit for maturity.I've met 48 yr old's not really very mature, but,I've also met plenty of mature young swinger's (phantom single bi-fem's as well) with the right open mind and atitude who are very active swinger's here.
Age is just a number. not a problem. When i've told people my age in the chatroom, some have been surprised but again still treat me the same. we've never been considered time waster's, i think most people here know you can be any age to mess people about. So i dont belive that anyone think's time waster's and age have any relevance with each other? but i could be wrong?.
This site is has people of all age's,size's and colour. Be patient, get to know people and make friend's. And you will find there's lot's of people of all age's to play with.
That's from my personal experiance here. hope it help's.
Luv Lm2hot2handle
Age 20
Swinger
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Hi Little Miss 2,
Thanks for your comments, I feel very vulnerable at my age, if I was younger it wouldn't be a problem, suppose all I can do is to remain a member and join in the chat because anyone knowing my age ( which I dare not say ) would steer clear of me, especially twenty year olds.
wish someone would tell me i was to young lol
Personally i do not go for much younger than me because i have nothing in common with them, simple as, i very much doubt someone your age would have any interest in anything i do or have to say, tho some would say you all have a interest in sex in common, which is true but i like to chat to people not just turn up, shag, and go home.
Saying that if i did ever meet someone at a party, munch etc that i did get on with age would not be a issue.
P.S did you know my cut off point is 24 for females little gem wink
I firmly believe that age is just a number...... it really has nothing to do with the person... only the attributes that we, as a society, care to tag onto certain age groups, can have an influence on the way people think.
Its the person who matters, not their age.....
equi-princess xxx
There is always one consolation when told one is too young - you will without doubt get older.
On the other hand, when you are too old, you not going to get any younger sad.
Personally, I would only use age as a guideline, not an absolute bar. I will tend to have more in common with people around my age - we share cultural references and our stage of life etc.
Now, just thinking aloud...are age limits more or less 'unfair' than other criteria? 'You must live locally' - not fair, I'm prepared to travel. 'You must be fit', or slim, or v.w.e. (however you define/measure that) - not fair, I have a great personality and mindboggling technique. 'You must not be a pyschopath'....erm, OK, fair enough biggrin.
Any criteria or requirement can seem 'unfair' (assumptive, prejudiced, stereotyped) from someone's point of view. But we all have our preferences, and in this sexual context we should be free to express and adhere to them. And people who know what they want are much easier to please than those who have no idea what they want! Like I say, just thinking aloud....I'm curious smile.
(Sorry, does that constitute a hijack? :shock: )
I don't swing with young people because;
a) all those pert, firm and flawless bodies will send me into the pit of depression
b) young people will be pissed off by the fact that I haven't got the stamina for anything more than 15 minutes, any longer than that I will need to be propped up for it. As it is, I did without sex for three and a bit weeks and ended up with welts on me fanny when I had sex again confused :?
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I don't swing with young people because;
a) all those pert, firm and flawless bodies will send me into the pit of depression
b) young people will be pissed off by the fact that I haven't got the stamina for anything more than 15 minutes, any longer than that I will need to be propped up for it. As it is, I did without sex for three and a bit weeks and ended up with welts on me fanny when I had sex again confused :?

lol ok...
a) absolutely nothing we can do about that!
and b) we've known 40 year old couples that can go like rabbits for hours! Although yeah us young uns are perhaps more stamina driven. Saying that, if you just talked to them before hand and discuss your likes and dislikes then if they were half-decent they would bear that in mind!
Again though - can only talk from our personal viewpoint, just like everyone else! It's all about likes and dislikes. smile
Quote by Maia
I don't swing with young people because;
b) young people will be pissed off by the fact that I haven't got the stamina for anything more than 15 minutes, any longer than that I will need to be propped up for it. confused :?

Maia, if you said you couldn't stand more than 15 minutes, I'd think you'd be lying. lol :lol:
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Maia, if you said you couldn't stand more than 15 minutes, I'd think you'd be lying. lol :lol:

redface surprisedops: :oops:
We'll if we're going to be literal about it, it didn't ALL involve standing biggrin
Quote by Tra-n-Lee
I know it sounds very strange, but we don't really swing with people our own age! Because....
A) They hardly exist!
B) When they do exist, they seem to be unsure and "thin on the ground" in terms of knowing what they want out of swinging.

They exist, if only to keep visiting the forum with 'ageist' threads. DB hit the nail on the head. To be perfectly blunt with you though, I think most people would have a 'type' of person in mind who they would like to swing with. No amount of moaning/ranting/commenting/debating/persuading is likely to change many of their minds, regardless of how open-minded everyone is.
Quote by freckledbird

I know it sounds very strange, but we don't really swing with people our own age! Because....
A) They hardly exist!
B) When they do exist, they seem to be unsure and "thin on the ground" in terms of knowing what they want out of swinging.

They exist, if only to keep visiting the forum with 'ageist' threads. DB hit the nail on the head. To be perfectly blunt with you though, I think most people would have a 'type' of person in mind who they would like to swing with. No amount of moaning/ranting/commenting/debating/persuading is likely to change many of their minds, regardless of how open-minded everyone is.
lol...
The only reason I posted this was to consolidate all the ageist threads into one monthly repayment.... wait...
Ohh god damn personal loan adverts - they're taking over my brain!!! lol
But completely disagree with you - we've met couples who would never swing with people our age and ultimately have done.
To say "never ever" is a bit of a paradoxical attitude from those who are liberal - especially those in the swinging community!
But then I DO agree with you that people have individual tastes and rightfully stick with them for the most. Forcing the issue is pointless, but sometimes things naturally progress...
dunno I always thought it was really simple:
You are too young = I don't want to have sex with you.
You are too old = I don't want to have sex with you
You are not what I am looking for = I don't want to have sex with you
You are too hairy = I don't want to have sex with you
You are not hairy enough = I don't want to have sex with you
You just don't it for me = I don't want to have sex with you.
If someone does not want to have sex with you, there are probably a number of reasons, your age, looks, build, attitude, demeanour. It seems odd that so many people feel that being told 'no' should also be accompanied by an explanation.
Is this some sort of emotional masochistic urge? - "OK, I have asked to have sex with you, and you have said no. Now I would like you to kick me while I am down and tell me exactly WHY you said no."
Asking for feedback after a job interview is one thing, but on a swinging site?
confused
lhk
Kat
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dunno I always thought it was really simple:
You are too young = I don't want to have sex with you.
You are too old = I don't want to have sex with you
You are not what I am looking for = I don't want to have sex with you
You are too hairy = I don't want to have sex with you
You are not hairy enough = I don't want to have sex with you
You just don't it for me = I don't want to have sex with you.
If someone does not want to have sex with you, there are probably a number of reasons, your age, looks, build, attitude, demeanour. It seems odd that so many people feel that being told 'no' should also be accompanied by an explanation.
Is this some sort of emotional masochistic urge? - "OK, I have asked to have sex with you, and you have said no. Now I would like you to kick me while I am down and tell me exactly WHY you said no."
Asking for feedback after a job interview is one thing, but on a swinging site?
confused
lhk
Kat

pmsl!!! lol :lol: :lol:
Hear Hear!!!! wink
lol you're completely right of course! That should be referred to whenever an ageist thread comes along!!! :lol:
As I say in my ad its not age or looks I am bothered about its attitude to sex. I am in my late 30s and wouldnt reply to some younger ads as I feel they would look on me as I was just a dirty ol bugger, my flaw I think. redface Unless they asked for the more experienced gentleman lol
And BTW Tra n Lee yours is a good ad to the point and says whats what :P
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As I say in my ad its not age or looks I am bothered about its attitude to sex. I am in my late 30s and wouldnt reply to some younger ads as I feel as I was just a dirty ol bugger, my flaw I think. redface
And BTW Tra n Lee yours is a good ad to the point and says whats what :P

That happens to be our personal view as well, but not the view of everyone.
I think thats the "mental attitude" viewpoint, whereas some go for the "physical" perspective.
Both are perfectly legitimate attitudes to have - and people need to accept both views.
Oh and thank you for the compliment! It's come from much trial and error!
Quote by Tra-n-Lee
As I say in my ad its not age or looks I am bothered about its attitude to sex. I am in my late 30s and wouldnt reply to some younger ads as I feel as I was just a dirty ol bugger, my flaw I think. redface
And BTW Tra n Lee yours is a good ad to the point and says whats what :P

That happens to be our personal view as well, but not the view of everyone.
I think thats the "mental attitude" viewpoint, whereas some go for the "physical" perspective.
Both are perfectly legitimate attitudes to have - and people need to accept both views.
Oh and thank you for the compliment! It's come from much trial and error!
I wish more peoplw would be like that....dirty ol bugger here... lol :lol: :lol:
On your reply to kitKat's point I am locking this thread as it has been done before and this time around it appears to have served it's purpose
Kit
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