Gary newlove's widow today in an interview with a newspaper called for the return of the death penalty for crimes like murder.
Always a subject which raises so many different points of view.
I'm pulled each way by this subject.
If someone was given life in prisonment then it shoud be not in luxury should be confined to a cell forever if the crime warrants it.
People like Dr Shipman should have got the bullet straight again he would have been handy to give out the lethal injections.
And what about the people who are wrongly happens and will again but they would have been dead under the law so its difficult to get it right.
What do you think? and what crimes should the death penalty be laid down for? Multiple murder? Parking in a disabled space at tesco?
Im very interested in all your opinions before i run for office.
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the death penalty.
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You really like starting hot topics, don't you ;)
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I think Ian huntley should be hung for what he did to those young and innocent girls and NOT a luxury cell in a holiday home!!!
Just my view
Just my view
Imo, killing human beings is wrong, but I firmly believe that the justice system should be allowed to deny human rights to those who have committed crimes that are way beyond what is considered acceptable human behaviour. Therefore, executing non-human beings, whose guilt has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt (like Ian Huntley) is quite justified. This is what happens to animals who attack and maim/kill humans - why should the likes of Ian Huntley etc have any more rights than a vicious animal? Just because he walks on 2 legs and can talk? Just because he thinks and therefore he is??
There is a massive shortage of organ donors in this country, yet we have paedophiles, child-murderers and the like eating, drinking, enjoying tv etc all of which is paid for by our taxes which could be going in to healthcare, and much more for genuine, decent human beings. I say, put these animals down immediately after conviction and harvest their body parts for transplant. Use what crap is left for land-fill.
SlurpySarah xx
There is a massive shortage of organ donors in this country, yet we have paedophiles, child-murderers and the like eating, drinking, enjoying tv etc all of which is paid for by our taxes which could be going in to healthcare, and much more for genuine, decent human beings. I say, put these animals down immediately after conviction and harvest their body parts for transplant. Use what crap is left for land-fill.
SlurpySarah xx
Jail should be jail.....
Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County has it right...these are the things he does in his jail
Arpaio believes that inmates should be treated as harshly as legally possible to emphasize the punishment aspect of their incarceration.
Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food (mainly outdated and oxidized green bologna) and limited meals to twice daily. Meal costs would be reduced to 90 cents per day; as of 2007 Arpaio states that he has managed to reduce costs to 30 cents per day.
Certain food items were banned from the county jail, mainly coffee (which also reduced "coffee attacks" on guards), and later salt and pepper were removed at a purported taxpayer savings of $20,000/year.
Arpaio banned smoking in the county jail. He also removed pornographic magazines (the ban was later upheld in court) and weightlifting equipment.
Entertainment was limited to G-rated movies; the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel.
Arpaio also instituted a program for inmates to study while in jail and to try to recover from drug abuse. Hard Knocks High states to be the only approved high school program in any American jail. Another jail program, called ALPHA, is aimed solely at getting inmates away from drug abuse.
In October 2005, Arpaio started mandatory two-week English classes for non-English-speaking inmates at his jails. Classes last 2 hours a day. The curriculum comprises the three branches of government, how a bill becomes law, state government, law enforcement and court services, and jailhouse "situational" terminology. At the end of the two-week course, inmates are required to take a test to see how well they have learned about American government, the words to God Bless America, and the communication of health and safety needs. In response to critics, Arpaio responded, "These inmates happen to be incarcerated in the United States of America and in Maricopa County where I run the jails, we speak English here, not foreign languages."
In February 2007, Arpaio instituted an in-house radio station, KJOE, which broadcasts classical music, opera, Frank Sinatra hits, obscenity-free patriotic music, and educational programming, from the basement of the county jail. The station airs four hours each day, five days a week. In March of 2007, the Maricopa County Jail hosted "Inmate Idol", a takeoff on the popular TV show.
Shortly after taking office, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs, the controversial form of inmate labor which had been virtually eliminated in the United States.
Arpaio believes that chain gangs are not a form of punishment, but instead of rehabilitation. Inmates who are low-risk but with a history of jail incidents can apply to serve as free labor. Inmates work eight-hours a day, six days a week (Sundays off), mainly outside. The inmates wear traditional black-and-white striped uniforms (see below for more details) with a cap to protect against the desert heat. Inmates perform such tasks as creating fire breaks, removing trash, and burying deceased indigent persons in the county cemetery.
Arpaio also expanded the chain gang concept by instituting the world's first female chain gang. Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 AM to 2 PM), six days a week. Arpaio has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile chain gang.
One of Arpaio's most noted changes was the introduction of pink underwear. Arpaio noted that the traditional white underwear, labeled with Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, was being smuggled out of the jails and sold on the streets. Arpaio thus had the underwear dyed pink, believing that pink is not considered a "macho" color, and would not be stolen. Once the public learned of the change, requests came in for orders, and Arpaio began selling customized pink boxers (with the Maricopa County Sheriff's logo and "Go Joe") as a fund-raiser for sheriff's operations.
Arpaio subsequently introduced pink handcuffs among sheriff's deputies, who were taking the traditional silver-colored ones. Later, when Arpaio learned that the color pink has a known psychological calming effect, he began dyeing sheets, socks, towels, and all other fabric items in pink.
The outer uniform is not pink, but traditional black-and-white. This was part of another Arpaio-instituted change. One day, allegedly, Arpaio thought he saw an inmate escapee in the then-existing sea-green inmate uniform outside the jail (it turned out to be a hospital worker in scrubs). Later, he noted that the orange uniforms of the chain gangs were similar to uniforms used by county workers (the orange being needed for safety). Believing that inmates should be easily identifiable should they escape, Arpaio re-instituted the traditional black-and-white inmate uniforms, which even with the advent of everything else being pink has not changed.
The most noted, and controversial, of Arpaio's ideas was the set-up of "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail (When Arpaio took office, inmates were routinely being released early due to overcrowding. Arpaio believed that "courts, not head count" should determine when an inmate is released, and that no officer should be deterred from making an arrest for fear that the inmate would be released due to jail overcrowding.
However, a new jail would have cost Maricopa County taxpayers around US$70 million. So instead, Arpaio obtained used tents from the military, and established Tent City in a parking lot adjacent to one of the jail facilities. As an announcement to future inmates that they should not expect early release upon overcrowding, but more tents instead, Arpaio added a (pink neon) "Vacancy" sign to the outside of Tent City. The original sign was destroyed in an inmate riot, but was quickly replaced. A second Tent City was opened in 1996 adjacent to another jail facility, and houses female inmates.
During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear.
In response to requests, the Sheriff's office offers group tours of its unique and controversial Tent City. In addition, Arpaio has instituted "S.M.A.R.T." Tents (Shocking Mainstream Adolescents into Resisting Temptation), a voluntary program for middle-school students who are bussed to an area adjacent to Tent City and, for the next 24 hours, are shown the reality of jail life.
Sheriff Joe for Number 10 is what I say !!
Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County has it right...these are the things he does in his jail
Arpaio believes that inmates should be treated as harshly as legally possible to emphasize the punishment aspect of their incarceration.
Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food (mainly outdated and oxidized green bologna) and limited meals to twice daily. Meal costs would be reduced to 90 cents per day; as of 2007 Arpaio states that he has managed to reduce costs to 30 cents per day.
Certain food items were banned from the county jail, mainly coffee (which also reduced "coffee attacks" on guards), and later salt and pepper were removed at a purported taxpayer savings of $20,000/year.
Arpaio banned smoking in the county jail. He also removed pornographic magazines (the ban was later upheld in court) and weightlifting equipment.
Entertainment was limited to G-rated movies; the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel.
Arpaio also instituted a program for inmates to study while in jail and to try to recover from drug abuse. Hard Knocks High states to be the only approved high school program in any American jail. Another jail program, called ALPHA, is aimed solely at getting inmates away from drug abuse.
In October 2005, Arpaio started mandatory two-week English classes for non-English-speaking inmates at his jails. Classes last 2 hours a day. The curriculum comprises the three branches of government, how a bill becomes law, state government, law enforcement and court services, and jailhouse "situational" terminology. At the end of the two-week course, inmates are required to take a test to see how well they have learned about American government, the words to God Bless America, and the communication of health and safety needs. In response to critics, Arpaio responded, "These inmates happen to be incarcerated in the United States of America and in Maricopa County where I run the jails, we speak English here, not foreign languages."
In February 2007, Arpaio instituted an in-house radio station, KJOE, which broadcasts classical music, opera, Frank Sinatra hits, obscenity-free patriotic music, and educational programming, from the basement of the county jail. The station airs four hours each day, five days a week. In March of 2007, the Maricopa County Jail hosted "Inmate Idol", a takeoff on the popular TV show.
Shortly after taking office, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs, the controversial form of inmate labor which had been virtually eliminated in the United States.
Arpaio believes that chain gangs are not a form of punishment, but instead of rehabilitation. Inmates who are low-risk but with a history of jail incidents can apply to serve as free labor. Inmates work eight-hours a day, six days a week (Sundays off), mainly outside. The inmates wear traditional black-and-white striped uniforms (see below for more details) with a cap to protect against the desert heat. Inmates perform such tasks as creating fire breaks, removing trash, and burying deceased indigent persons in the county cemetery.
Arpaio also expanded the chain gang concept by instituting the world's first female chain gang. Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 AM to 2 PM), six days a week. Arpaio has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile chain gang.
One of Arpaio's most noted changes was the introduction of pink underwear. Arpaio noted that the traditional white underwear, labeled with Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, was being smuggled out of the jails and sold on the streets. Arpaio thus had the underwear dyed pink, believing that pink is not considered a "macho" color, and would not be stolen. Once the public learned of the change, requests came in for orders, and Arpaio began selling customized pink boxers (with the Maricopa County Sheriff's logo and "Go Joe") as a fund-raiser for sheriff's operations.
Arpaio subsequently introduced pink handcuffs among sheriff's deputies, who were taking the traditional silver-colored ones. Later, when Arpaio learned that the color pink has a known psychological calming effect, he began dyeing sheets, socks, towels, and all other fabric items in pink.
The outer uniform is not pink, but traditional black-and-white. This was part of another Arpaio-instituted change. One day, allegedly, Arpaio thought he saw an inmate escapee in the then-existing sea-green inmate uniform outside the jail (it turned out to be a hospital worker in scrubs). Later, he noted that the orange uniforms of the chain gangs were similar to uniforms used by county workers (the orange being needed for safety). Believing that inmates should be easily identifiable should they escape, Arpaio re-instituted the traditional black-and-white inmate uniforms, which even with the advent of everything else being pink has not changed.
The most noted, and controversial, of Arpaio's ideas was the set-up of "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail (When Arpaio took office, inmates were routinely being released early due to overcrowding. Arpaio believed that "courts, not head count" should determine when an inmate is released, and that no officer should be deterred from making an arrest for fear that the inmate would be released due to jail overcrowding.
However, a new jail would have cost Maricopa County taxpayers around US$70 million. So instead, Arpaio obtained used tents from the military, and established Tent City in a parking lot adjacent to one of the jail facilities. As an announcement to future inmates that they should not expect early release upon overcrowding, but more tents instead, Arpaio added a (pink neon) "Vacancy" sign to the outside of Tent City. The original sign was destroyed in an inmate riot, but was quickly replaced. A second Tent City was opened in 1996 adjacent to another jail facility, and houses female inmates.
During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear.
In response to requests, the Sheriff's office offers group tours of its unique and controversial Tent City. In addition, Arpaio has instituted "S.M.A.R.T." Tents (Shocking Mainstream Adolescents into Resisting Temptation), a voluntary program for middle-school students who are bussed to an area adjacent to Tent City and, for the next 24 hours, are shown the reality of jail life.
Sheriff Joe for Number 10 is what I say !!
Sex God
Quote by SlurpySarah
Imo, killing human beings is wrong, but I firmly believe that the justice system should be allowed to deny human rights to those who have committed crimes that are way beyond what is considered acceptable human behaviour. Therefore, executing non-human beings, whose guilt has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt (like Ian Huntley) is quite justified. This is what happens to animals who attack and maim/kill humans - why should the likes of Ian Huntley etc have any more rights than a vicious animal? Just because he walks on 2 legs and can talk? Just because he thinks and therefore he is??
There is a massive shortage of organ donors in this country, yet we have paedophiles, child-murderers and the like eating, drinking, enjoying tv etc all of which is paid for by our taxes which could be going in to healthcare, and much more for genuine, decent human beings. I say, put these animals down immediately after conviction and harvest their body parts for transplant. Use what crap is left for land-fill.
SlurpySarah xx
Exactly what i wanted to say but couldn't find the right words
Quote by Bonedigger
Jail should be jail.....
Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County has it right...these are the things he does in his jail
Arpaio believes that inmates should be treated as harshly as legally possible to emphasize the punishment aspect of their incarceration.
Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food (mainly outdated and oxidized green bologna) and limited meals to twice daily. Meal costs would be reduced to 90 cents per day; as of 2007 Arpaio states that he has managed to reduce costs to 30 cents per day.
Certain food items were banned from the county jail, mainly coffee (which also reduced "coffee attacks" on guards), and later salt and pepper were removed at a purported taxpayer savings of $20,000/year.
Arpaio banned smoking in the county jail. He also removed pornographic magazines (the ban was later upheld in court) and weightlifting equipment.
Entertainment was limited to G-rated movies; the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel.
Arpaio also instituted a program for inmates to study while in jail and to try to recover from drug abuse. Hard Knocks High states to be the only approved high school program in any American jail. Another jail program, called ALPHA, is aimed solely at getting inmates away from drug abuse.
In October 2005, Arpaio started mandatory two-week English classes for non-English-speaking inmates at his jails. Classes last 2 hours a day. The curriculum comprises the three branches of government, how a bill becomes law, state government, law enforcement and court services, and jailhouse "situational" terminology. At the end of the two-week course, inmates are required to take a test to see how well they have learned about American government, the words to God Bless America, and the communication of health and safety needs. In response to critics, Arpaio responded, "These inmates happen to be incarcerated in the United States of America and in Maricopa County where I run the jails, we speak English here, not foreign languages."
In February 2007, Arpaio instituted an in-house radio station, KJOE, which broadcasts classical music, opera, Frank Sinatra hits, obscenity-free patriotic music, and educational programming, from the basement of the county jail. The station airs four hours each day, five days a week. In March of 2007, the Maricopa County Jail hosted "Inmate Idol", a takeoff on the popular TV show.
Shortly after taking office, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs, the controversial form of inmate labor which had been virtually eliminated in the United States.
Arpaio believes that chain gangs are not a form of punishment, but instead of rehabilitation. Inmates who are low-risk but with a history of jail incidents can apply to serve as free labor. Inmates work eight-hours a day, six days a week (Sundays off), mainly outside. The inmates wear traditional black-and-white striped uniforms (see below for more details) with a cap to protect against the desert heat. Inmates perform such tasks as creating fire breaks, removing trash, and burying deceased indigent persons in the county cemetery.
Arpaio also expanded the chain gang concept by instituting the world's first female chain gang. Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 AM to 2 PM), six days a week. Arpaio has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile chain gang.
One of Arpaio's most noted changes was the introduction of pink underwear. Arpaio noted that the traditional white underwear, labeled with Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, was being smuggled out of the jails and sold on the streets. Arpaio thus had the underwear dyed pink, believing that pink is not considered a "macho" color, and would not be stolen. Once the public learned of the change, requests came in for orders, and Arpaio began selling customized pink boxers (with the Maricopa County Sheriff's logo and "Go Joe") as a fund-raiser for sheriff's operations.
Arpaio subsequently introduced pink handcuffs among sheriff's deputies, who were taking the traditional silver-colored ones. Later, when Arpaio learned that the color pink has a known psychological calming effect, he began dyeing sheets, socks, towels, and all other fabric items in pink.
The outer uniform is not pink, but traditional black-and-white. This was part of another Arpaio-instituted change. One day, allegedly, Arpaio thought he saw an inmate escapee in the then-existing sea-green inmate uniform outside the jail (it turned out to be a hospital worker in scrubs). Later, he noted that the orange uniforms of the chain gangs were similar to uniforms used by county workers (the orange being needed for safety). Believing that inmates should be easily identifiable should they escape, Arpaio re-instituted the traditional black-and-white inmate uniforms, which even with the advent of everything else being pink has not changed.
The most noted, and controversial, of Arpaio's ideas was the set-up of "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail (When Arpaio took office, inmates were routinely being released early due to overcrowding. Arpaio believed that "courts, not head count" should determine when an inmate is released, and that no officer should be deterred from making an arrest for fear that the inmate would be released due to jail overcrowding.
However, a new jail would have cost Maricopa County taxpayers around US$70 million. So instead, Arpaio obtained used tents from the military, and established Tent City in a parking lot adjacent to one of the jail facilities. As an announcement to future inmates that they should not expect early release upon overcrowding, but more tents instead, Arpaio added a (pink neon) "Vacancy" sign to the outside of Tent City. The original sign was destroyed in an inmate riot, but was quickly replaced. A second Tent City was opened in 1996 adjacent to another jail facility, and houses female inmates.
During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear.
In response to requests, the Sheriff's office offers group tours of its unique and controversial Tent City. In addition, Arpaio has instituted "S.M.A.R.T." Tents (Shocking Mainstream Adolescents into Resisting Temptation), a voluntary program for middle-school students who are bussed to an area adjacent to Tent City and, for the next 24 hours, are shown the reality of jail life.
Sheriff Joe for Number 10 is what I say !!
i used to watch his jail cam live online before it got taken down.
Very good it was.
Quote by SlurpySarah
There is a massive shortage of organ donors in this country, yet we have paedophiles, child-murderers and the like eating, drinking, enjoying tv etc all of which is paid for by our taxes which could be going in to healthcare, and much more for genuine, decent human beings. I say, put these animals down immediately after conviction and harvest their body parts for transplant. Use what crap is left for land-fill.
SlurpySarah xx
so would you accept an organ from a serial killer if you needed it?
Quote by Mr-Powers
There is a massive shortage of organ donors in this country, yet we have paedophiles, child-murderers and the like eating, drinking, enjoying tv etc all of which is paid for by our taxes which could be going in to healthcare, and much more for genuine, decent human beings. I say, put these animals down immediately after conviction and harvest their body parts for transplant. Use what crap is left for land-fill.
SlurpySarah xx
so would you accept an organ from a serial killer if you needed it?
I'd accept an organ off Sweeney Todd or Bob the Master Butcher if it meant I could live!!
Quote by Bonedigger
There is a massive shortage of organ donors in this country, yet we have paedophiles, child-murderers and the like eating, drinking, enjoying tv etc all of which is paid for by our taxes which could be going in to healthcare, and much more for genuine, decent human beings. I say, put these animals down immediately after conviction and harvest their body parts for transplant. Use what crap is left for land-fill.
SlurpySarah xx
so would you accept an organ from a serial killer if you needed it?
I'd accept an organ off Sweeney Todd or Bob the Master Butcher if it meant I could live!!
well i couldn't.
Quote by Mr-Powers
There is a massive shortage of organ donors in this country, yet we have paedophiles, child-murderers and the like eating, drinking, enjoying tv etc all of which is paid for by our taxes which could be going in to healthcare, and much more for genuine, decent human beings. I say, put these animals down immediately after conviction and harvest their body parts for transplant. Use what crap is left for land-fill.
SlurpySarah xx
so would you accept an organ from a serial killer if you needed it?
Abso-bloody-lutely! IMO It's their mind/personality that caused them to commit the horrendous crime, and those parts can't be transplanted. The rest of them is just offal, but could be of use to somebody if not just for research.
Quote by Bonedigger
any particular reason why not?
its the mind that makes a serial killer....not the internal organs (IMHO anyways)
but i would know where they come from...if i had something from say Ian Huntly...i would feel repulsed!
and if by some slim chance the government started harvesting the organs of such people...i think it would creat a bit of a delimma...people would start insisting on where the organs have come from.
Quote by deancannock
two wrongs have never made a right. By agreeing to death penalty you lowering yourself to there level. We have seen so many convictions recently overturned...so chance of killing wrong person is high.
so as far as I am concerned the death penalty has no place in a civilised society.
Oh but they do!
I have no problem lowering myself to a level lower than theirs, if it means they get their just desserts! Like has been mentioned, Huntley is one I would personally like to have seen hung. Shipman is another. I am talking about the crimes that disgust a " civilised society ".
A lot of crimes have been overturned because in the view of the villains baristers, they tend to come up with something that can make the original sentence seem " unsafe ". That does not mean they are not guilty, but they have found a get out clause, which the law must abide by. I am only saying some crimes should be used to execute people. Even the people opposed to capital punishment would feel different if a child molester abused then murdered their child.
You say about a civilised society, but some do NOT belong to that society and should be removed.....permantly!! Are you seriously saying that the bombers of 9/11 and the London bombings, if they were caught, should not have faced the death penalty? They got what they deserved, but the people they deliberately set out to kill and maime did not. As you are no doubt now aware, I do have strong views on this. The people I really feel sorry for are the victimes of these killers, who watch whilst they are sent to a nice cushy life in prison. Is that justice? Not in my view.
Quote by Mr-Powers
any particular reason why not?
its the mind that makes a serial killer....not the internal organs (IMHO anyways)
but i would know where they come from...if i had something from say Ian Huntly...i would feel repulsed!
and if by some slim chance the government started harvesting the organs of such people...i think it would creat a bit of a delimma...people would start insisting on where the organs have come from.
Why should they not know where the organs have come from? If your child's life could be saved by using a spleen from a child-murderer, for example, would you rather your child died than have that organ?
Quote by kentswingers777
something I agreed with
lots of things I disagree with
I disagree with the death penalty as a way of punishing anyone. I believe it is inhuman. (I just know what you are thinking about the crimes that are committed are also inhuman-two wrongs do not make a right etc)
I disagree that I would feel differently were my son/daughter harmed by someone. Look on the interwebnet and you will find many, many families who are victims of similar atrocities as you mention campaigning againstthe death penalty.
Quote by SlurpySarah
any particular reason why not?
its the mind that makes a serial killer....not the internal organs (IMHO anyways)
but i would know where they come from...if i had something from say Ian Huntly...i would feel repulsed!
and if by some slim chance the government started harvesting the organs of such people...i think it would creat a bit of a delimma...people would start insisting on where the organs have come from.
Why should they not know where the organs have come from? If your child's life could be saved by using a spleen from a child-murderer, for example, would you rather your child died than have that organ?
because at the moment organ donation is annoymous...but if they were to start coming from sick minded individuals...people may refuse such operations...slowing up the process.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
two wrongs have never made a right. By agreeing to death penalty you lowering yourself to there level. We have seen so many convictions recently overturned...so chance of killing wrong person is high.
so as far as I am concerned the death penalty has no place in a civilised society.
Oh but they do!
I have no problem lowering myself to a level lower than theirs, if it means they get their just desserts! .
so do we impose a death sentance on you because you have lowered yourself to take a life?
Quote by kentswingers777
[Like has been mentioned, Huntley is one I would personally like to have seen hung. Shipman is another. I am talking about the crimes that disgust a " civilised society "..
The death sentance disgusts a lot of people who live in a civilised society.
Quote by kentswingers777
A lot of crimes have been overturned because in the view of the villains baristers, they tend to come up with something that can make the original sentence seem " unsafe ". That does not mean they are not guilty, but they have found a get out clause, which the law must abide by. I am only saying some crimes should be used to execute people. Even the people opposed to capital punishment would feel different if a child molester abused then murdered their child."..
So you can speak for everyone on this? Some might agree with you, but lots wont, and Im not sure where you have got these facts from, but I can say that not everyone would agree with you on this. These so called 'get out clauses' as you call them are there for a reason, and living in this so called civilised society, we need them to protect people who are wrongly convicted, otherwise this society is just as bad as some of the people who have supposedly commited the crimes in the first place.
Quote by kentswingers777
The people I really feel sorry for are the victimes of these killers, who watch whilst they are sent to a nice cushy life in prison. Is that justice? Not in my view.
I think we all feel for the people who are victims of crimes but bringin back the death penalty will not bring back their loved one, so personally, Im a not willing to lower myself to the same standard and take a life for a life.
However, I do fully agree that life should mean a life sentance, but I definately 100% think that the death sentance is not the answer.
Quote by Mr-Powers
any particular reason why not?
its the mind that makes a serial killer....not the internal organs (IMHO anyways)
but i would know where they come from...if i had something from say Ian Huntly...i would feel repulsed!
and if by some slim chance the government started harvesting the organs of such people...i think it would creat a bit of a delimma...people would start insisting on where the organs have come from.
Why should they not know where the organs have come from? If your child's life could be saved by using a spleen from a child-murderer, for example, would you rather your child died than have that organ?
because at the moment organ donation is annoymous...but if they were to start coming from sick minded individuals...people may refuse such operations...slowing up the process.
Well, yes and no - organ donations are not anonymous by law, but by choice. There are many cases where organs have been donated with all parties being aware of their origins. I don't see how people refusing organs from certain individuals would slow up the process - it's a simple question on a form "tick yes or no - would you accept an organ donated from a non-human?".
If they refuse, they die quicker or their child dies quicker. What choice would you make for your loved ones?
Sex God
I think that the death penalty is so wrong. I can not ever see the justice in legalised murder. As to the horrific crimes and criminals that warrant these thoughts of capital punishment. To me it is worth the state expenditure to have these people pay for there crimes in time served without freedom.
I never want to be associated with the death of another whether legal or otherwise. Obviously if some atrocity was to happen to my family then my feelings would be different. Of that I have no doubt. This is why i am glad that we have a system of Law and justice that is upheld by others rather than the victims.
I never want to be associated with the death of another whether legal or otherwise. Obviously if some atrocity was to happen to my family then my feelings would be different. Of that I have no doubt. This is why i am glad that we have a system of Law and justice that is upheld by others rather than the victims.
Quote by SlurpySarah
any particular reason why not?
its the mind that makes a serial killer....not the internal organs (IMHO anyways)
but i would know where they come from...if i had something from say Ian Huntly...i would feel repulsed!
and if by some slim chance the government started harvesting the organs of such people...i think it would creat a bit of a delimma...people would start insisting on where the organs have come from.
Why should they not know where the organs have come from? If your child's life could be saved by using a spleen from a child-murderer, for example, would you rather your child died than have that organ?
because at the moment organ donation is annoymous...but if they were to start coming from sick minded individuals...people may refuse such operations...slowing up the process.
Well, yes and no - organ donations are not anonymous by law, but by choice. There are many cases where organs have been donated with all parties being aware of their origins. I don't see how people refusing organs from certain individuals would slow up the process - it's a simple question on a form "tick yes or no - would you accept an organ donated from a non-human?".
If they refuse, they die quicker or their child dies quicker. What choice would you make for your loved ones?
i know my choice as for my loved ones...i would let them make the choice...they are the ones that have to live with it...
Quote by Mr-Powers
any particular reason why not?
its the mind that makes a serial killer....not the internal organs (IMHO anyways)
but i would know where they come from...if i had something from say Ian Huntly...i would feel repulsed!
and if by some slim chance the government started harvesting the organs of such people...i think it would creat a bit of a delimma...people would start insisting on where the organs have come from.
Why should they not know where the organs have come from? If your child's life could be saved by using a spleen from a child-murderer, for example, would you rather your child died than have that organ?
because at the moment organ donation is annoymous...but if they were to start coming from sick minded individuals...people may refuse such operations...slowing up the process.
Well, yes and no - organ donations are not anonymous by law, but by choice. There are many cases where organs have been donated with all parties being aware of their origins. I don't see how people refusing organs from certain individuals would slow up the process - it's a simple question on a form "tick yes or no - would you accept an organ donated from a non-human?".
If they refuse, they die quicker or their child dies quicker. What choice would you make for your loved ones?
i know my choice as for my loved ones...i would let them make the choice...they are the ones that have to live with it...
You are lucky then that all your loved ones are old enough and mentally sound enough to make the choice. I would not bottle out of making tough decisions on behalf of others who couldn't make their own. I wouldn't be such a coward.
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I think that the death penalty is so wrong. I can not ever see the justice in legalised murder. As to the horrific crimes and criminals that warrant these thoughts of capital punishment. To me it is worth the state expenditure to have these people pay for there crimes in time served without freedom.
I never want to be associated with the death of another whether legal or otherwise. Obviously if some atrocity was to happen to my family then my feelings would be different. Of that I have no doubt. This is why i am glad that we have a system of Law and justice that is upheld by others rather than the victims.
Law and justice sometimes do not mix. If there was a justice system where killers who got life stayed behind bars for life that is one thing, but the law allows people like the James Bulger killers to be freed after a few years, and then live their life. Oh yes and they are given new identities and money. Is that justice?
At least you have been honest to say you would think differenty if it was a member of your own family. Imagine if one of Huntleys victims was your Daughter,not yours lost but people who disagree with my views, are you still saying you would not advocate for the death penalty? If you are then I take my hat off to your for you views.
Quote by SlurpySarah
any particular reason why not?
its the mind that makes a serial killer....not the internal organs (IMHO anyways)
but i would know where they come from...if i had something from say Ian Huntly...i would feel repulsed!
and if by some slim chance the government started harvesting the organs of such people...i think it would creat a bit of a delimma...people would start insisting on where the organs have come from.
Why should they not know where the organs have come from? If your child's life could be saved by using a spleen from a child-murderer, for example, would you rather your child died than have that organ?
because at the moment organ donation is annoymous...but if they were to start coming from sick minded individuals...people may refuse such operations...slowing up the process.
Well, yes and no - organ donations are not anonymous by law, but by choice. There are many cases where organs have been donated with all parties being aware of their origins. I don't see how people refusing organs from certain individuals would slow up the process - it's a simple question on a form "tick yes or no - would you accept an organ donated from a non-human?".
If they refuse, they die quicker or their child dies quicker. What choice would you make for your loved ones?
i know my choice as for my loved ones...i would let them make the choice...they are the ones that have to live with it...
You are lucky then that all your loved ones are old enough and mentally sound enough to make the choice. I would not bottle out of making tough decisions on behalf of others who couldn't make their own. I wouldn't be such a coward.
are you calling me a coward...who the fuck do you think you are saying that to me...i give my thoughts on this thread ands you fucking insult me!
Sex God
This has gone to tits up status now hope it gets locked
