The I Love The Police thread!

12 Feb 2007

Quote by Mallock2006
Scooter, sheep or a loaf of bread, Hang them. It solves so many problems;
We will not have to continue to pay their unemployment benefit.
We will not have to feed them in prison.
They will not educate their young to steel.
The lack of crime will allow the police to do other things.

Hope i never get stuck in a lift with you... rolleyes

to be honest that is the most moronic statement i have ever read...i really hope to god your just kidding!
Maybe a little OTT but I have to agree we should be getting far tougher with criminals...
Tougher sentancing hmmmm
In America they have the death penalty and life with no chance of parole. Can't get tougher than that yet oddly they still have murders and other crime. So clearly something other than a deterrant is required.
Why not try to get a penal system that stop people reoffending? That would seem to be a better way forward.

12 Feb 2007

Quote by keeno
Why not try to get a penal system that stop people reoffending? That would seem to be a better way forward.

Isn't that what so many people keep saying they are doing right now dunno

(in a fashion)
i.e.
All the social workers,phsycoligists,phsyciatrists who nurture offenders and rehabilitate them into society never to re-offend...

12 Feb 2007

Quote by Sassy-Seren

Out of interest Sassy, how old were they?

One early 20s and one late teens. mad

I'm hoping one of them will get done for carrying an offensive weapon too as he had a knife on him when he was searched
:shock:
Definitely not bored schoolkids then confused

12 Feb 2007

What about this idea?
You get caught doing something naughty but fairly minor, you get locked up for 12 months.
Do it again and you get double that
Do it again and it's doubled again etc etc.
No parole, no letting out early for 'good behaviour', no perks, no satellite tv, pool tables etc etc
For more serious crimes, the initial sentence is longer but again doubled each time they reoffend.
It's the 'extras' that make life in the nick bearable and sometimes very cushy so take them away and remove early release policies and crims will soon think twice about doing it in the first place.
Harsh? Sue me!

12 Feb 2007

Quote by Sassy-Seren
What about this idea?
You get caught doing something naughty but fairly minor, you get locked up for 12 months.
Do it again and you get double that
Do it again and it's doubled again etc etc.
No parole, no letting out early for 'good behaviour', no perks, no satellite tv, pool tables etc etc
For more serious crimes, the initial sentence is longer but again doubled each time they reoffend.
It's the 'extras' that make life in the nick bearable and sometimes very cushy so take them away and remove early release policies and crims will soon think twice about doing it in the first place.
Harsh? Sue me!

I agree with you there, lock em up and throw away the key
lol

:lol: :lol:

12 Feb 2007

12 Feb 2007

Since we're up for good ideas.
Why don't we lock up a lot of people who haven't been found guilty of anything. Then take them to Court where they are found guilty but have already spent longer in prison than their sentance or innocent in which case innocent people have been locked up.
We could call it remand.
Not sure which Nazi said "better 100 innocent people are punished than one guilty person goes free"

12 Feb 2007

Quote by keeno
Since we're up for good ideas.
Why don't we lock up a lot of people who haven't been found guilty of anything. Then take them to Court where they are found guilty but have already spent longer in prison than their sentance or innocent in which case innocent people have been locked up.
We could call it remand.
Not sure which Nazi said "better 100 innocent people are punished than one guilty person goes free"

Ooops.

12 Feb 2007

Quote by Sassy-Seren
What about this idea?
You get caught doing something naughty but fairly minor, you get locked up for 12 months.
Do it again and you get double that
Do it again and it's doubled again etc etc.
No parole, no letting out early for 'good behaviour', no perks, no satellite tv, pool tables etc etc
For more serious crimes, the initial sentence is longer but again doubled each time they reoffend.
It's the 'extras' that make life in the nick bearable and sometimes very cushy so take them away and remove early release policies and crims will soon think twice about doing it in the first place.
Harsh? Sue me!

I totally agree with you, but the fact is we're now run by decisions outside goverment with politicaly correct bureaucrats from brussels that think treating criminals worse than ordinarly citizens is a breach of there human right this also applies to having there own toilet and tv, dvd, games console for learning purposes you gotta laugh huh, the reason they re-offend is because they have luxuries now in prisons that they don't get in the real world or have to work there ass of like you or i to get them, so they take the easy option and as long as brussels has a say it'll get worse not better. do what some states do in america, 3 strikes and your out regardless of the crime.

12 Feb 2007

in my case yes bored school kids, and fact a family that likes to run the area, apperntly a one parent dad who's in the pub, bookies, doing other things other than what his kids are doing, leting them run wild.. they are lacking windows in there house, so they must think its a in thing to have broken windows..
not that i wish it would happen to the person who moaned about fact i said i hate school hoildays, but odd how they broke up and now, people are geting things smashed, i am sure you would be as annoyed if happened to you... and as been know that most crime happens when kids are off school.... so i belive

12 Feb 2007

Bugger!

12 Feb 2007

Quote by R n M
Solo, of course the Government is to blame. It's their job to pass good workable laws through Parliament, to build sufficient prison places and to properly fund the Police so they can do their jobs. They've failed on all of it.
My ex (M) had to call the police when she saw a gang of youths beating a bloke with a hammer outside of her workplace. The police agreed to come out but asked for directions because she'd been put through to a police force 40 miles away. They said they'd be here in an hour. Fat lot of good that's going to do the bloke being bludgeoned with the hammer!
Our own police were already all out on jobs and nobody to answer the phone in the police station.
Why is it like this? Because this government has reduced the number of Police Stations and Police Officers to dangerous levels. They've set ridiculous targets for the Police to achieve regarding race relations, diversity and sexual equality etc. Our force has a full time "Diversity Manager" earning a year. The amount of time they spend on this rubbish is taking them away from catching the scrotes who are making our lives so difficult.

hogwash

how you can foot the blame to the goverment is beyond me, what about their parents, or the criminals themselves is that the goverments fault for letting them breathe, what do you suggest they do increase income tax and build more prisons then when there full do the same again, the problem should be looked at from the parenting up its all about education and rights and wrongs and i don't think any goverment is responsible for this, there was far less resourses including police officers etc 50 years ago and the prisons weren't overcrowded like they are today its society as a whole thats responsible and putting the blame solely on the goverment is just shifting the responsibility elsewhere. its about time people were made responsible for their own actions rather than making excuses or shifting the blame on others.

12 Feb 2007

I've created a monster :shock:

12 Feb 2007

Quote by Sassy-Seren
I've created a monster :shock:

Not at all smile

....I think its created some interesting debate thats already a *hot topic* locally, regionally and nationally. Its important to people...
They are a number of initiatives that already happen around crime, fear of crime, young offenders etc. Some initiatives work, some dont...but people are tryig hard to combat these issues, all in a voluntary capacity.
I dont think any one person or group has the answer to any of these issues. So in 1993 I decided I would rather be a part of the solution and got involved in my local community, city wide forums and trained as a C & Y worker. One of the most intersting and worthwhile things I did with my life (although now burnt out, knackered and unemployed lol).
Many moons later, I can see it from a young persons perspective and as a resident. Its frustrating for all... and government agenda's, red tape, europe, dont always help matters as they are always so many loops to go through and goal posts constanty change.
xanaisx

12 Feb 2007

Quote by Sassy-Seren
It was only a scooter :shock:

It may have only been a scooter, but it cost you money that you had to work for to earn. It is representative of how early you had to get up, your journey into work and the actual work you did there all hours of your life that these scum would have taken from you in minutes had you not intervened.
As for other points - the "bobbys on the beat" do a wonderful job, within the constraints they have - and believe me, those constraints get tighter and tighter every time a politician with two brain-cells to rub together has a "brilliant" idea.
I get fed up with the police being blamed for speed-cameras. It's not the coppers themselves that decide to go out on duty and nick motorists - their Sergeants tell them, who take their orders from the Inspector, who is told by the Superintendant etc etc. who gets their orders ultimately from government.
As for punishment, I agree with many others on this post about getting tougher. I read recently that prisoners were complaining in one particular prison that "1 television per cell was not enough because of overcrowding" - absolutely insane!!! When these scum are jailed, they should be made to work, and not just to pay their keep - but to pay society back. I think a system whereby an offender is jailed not to a sentence of time, but to an amount of money earned by hard labour over a period of time.
As for serious offences:- premeditated murder, paedophiles, aggravated rapes to name but a few I firmly believe in a punishment called "non-interventional incarceration". The offender is given a sentence of just six weeks of solitary confinement. No food, no water.

12 Feb 2007

Quote by ForestFunsters

It was only a scooter :shock:

It may have only been a scooter, but it cost you money that you had to work for to earn. It is representative of how early you had to get up, your journey into work and the actual work you did there all hours of your life that these scum would have taken from you in minutes had you not intervened.

Quote by Sassy-Seren
bring back the birch and the death penalty :shock:

It was only a scooter :shock:
I think Sassy was referring to this remark....which was alittle OTT...it does help if you quote it all! wink

12 Feb 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers

It was only a scooter :shock:

It may have only been a scooter, but it cost you money that you had to work for to earn. It is representative of how early you had to get up, your journey into work and the actual work you did there all hours of your life that these scum would have taken from you in minutes had you not intervened.

Quote by Sassy-Seren
bring back the birch and the death penalty :shock:

It was only a scooter :shock:
I think Sassy was referring to this remark....which was alittle OTT...it does help if you quote it all! wink

Thank you Mr Powers, I was aware of the original context of the posting. I notice from your profile that you're from SE27, a fairly affluent London suburb - perhaps the theft of a mere scooter is small change for you, but for others it's not. It could be a month's savings or more, earned doing a dirty, demeaning job. It varies for all. Courts should not only take in to account the crime itself, but the status of the victims who are so often in this country denied proper and fair justice.
Woolly-minded liberalism DOESN'T WORK.

13 Feb 2007

Quote by keeno
Scooter, sheep or a loaf of bread, Hang them. It solves so many problems;
We will not have to continue to pay their unemployment benefit.
We will not have to feed them in prison.
They will not educate their young to steel.
The lack of crime will allow the police to do other things.

Hope i never get stuck in a lift with you... rolleyes

to be honest that is the most moronic statement i have ever read...i really hope to god your just kidding!
Maybe a little OTT but I have to agree we should be getting far tougher with criminals...
Tougher sentancing hmmmm
In America they have the death penalty and life with no chance of parole. Can't get tougher than that yet oddly they still have murders and other crime. So clearly something other than a deterrant is required.
Why not try to get a penal system that stop people reoffending? That would seem to be a better way forward.
OK, I do not consider that the death penalty is apt in all cases. There have been many murders that are do not require hanging. On the other hand we do have a group of people who will not and can not be stopped from committing crime. Hanging will prevent them form committing further offences.
Yes, I over stated the case, But I know some who have been officially warned so many times that they do not believe they will go to prison.
We need to correct criminals, put them on the right track to earning a living. If they will not except correction we need to remove them from society in general.
In the 5 century we expelled them from the nation. Later we sent them to the american colonies, then to Australia. There is no longer room in the world to expel our criminals to. Even if we could, is it right to pollute another nation with our problems. The remaining solutions are to lock them up or hang them.
As a nation we have to decide what to do.

13 Feb 2007

Quote by Sassy-Seren
What about this idea?
...no perks, no satellite tv, pool tables etc etc
....Harsh? Sue me!

You mean take away the rewards for committing crime.

13 Feb 2007

With everyones strong views on sentencing I just wondered whether anyone had considered becoming a Magistrate or was a Magistrate. If people did this perhaps they could change the punishment regime rather than just talking about it.

13 Feb 2007

Quote by keeno
With everyones strong views on sentencing I just wondered whether anyone had considered becoming a Magistrate or was a Magistrate. If people did this perhaps they could change the punishment regime rather than just talking about it.

Nice idea but even Magistrates have their hands tied as to the punishment they can give. Even then, these scum have a cushy number when they get inside and THAT'S part of the reason prison is no deterent to crime

13 Feb 2007

Im a bit of a *betweenie* on the punishments of young people (not adults)... I know some will/maynot agree with me, thats fine..we are all allowed our views.
Im a bit of a softie (maybe at times) but Im quite passionate about young people, and have a belief that when they know someone cares about their existance in this world, talks to them on their own level and treats them as an adult....they give back unconditionally in so many ways. Even if they are little tyke's and just stolen my flipping purse! confused

An yes, boy have I got angry at the time. I have been known to have what some call a *paddy*.
I worked in a young people for about 13 yrs or so. I had an opportunity to work in a young persons institute for a year, they arent all nicey, nicey. Well, I didnt think so, as an outsider (and a mam)looking in I thought they were dreadful places.
Has anyone seen the size of a cell or been in one of the travelling cells they take round communities? If you see one, go and try it out for size, shut the door... you might be surprised at how small they are for two people. Living and breathing someone elses sweat for 22 hrs hours a day... justice you might say. Well for some maybe it is, for others maybe not hard enough.
Ya lucky if your telly works, thats if your one of the priviledged ones. Most have to work their way up the levels of the prison reward system to get things like, books, paper and pencil or whatever. If your constantly moved from prison to prison through no fault of your own, you have to start again... so these priviledged maybe not be gained till a few weeks before they leave the system. Goalposts constantly changing.... mmany of us would feel frustrated with that.
They do get the opportunity to get out of cells if they want to gain an education.. this was the main area I came into contact with them. They were rewarded with 20p per hour to take part in eucational sessions. Great eh? Not really, we were always interupted by wardens etc, taking them out for something else or to talk to them about something that could be done later perhaps.. so the education they wanted to be apart of was continually distrupted.
How can you turn these young peoples lives around when that happens? How do they feel when they want to get an education and prepare for the outside world to gain employment? They give up! for some, it maybe the only time they get a chance to get some education.
One of the things that will always stay with me and effected me enourmously was an 18yr old lad... who sat rocking away on a chair, chewing his bottom lip off. Is that the sort of justice we want as members of the community? I dont...
They are some youths that just do not belong in one....no matter what the crime, the punnishment doesnt always fit.
The bullying that happens (I know it doesnt officially... unofficially it does, big time), young people hanging themselves in a cell? Because the bully who is in isolation calls out from a crack of a window, words are powerful and can have an amazing effect putting the fear of god into someone who is already as low as they can get and frightened.
The work I did with these young people put a whole new light on how I felt about the crap system... more work is needed to stop offending before it gets to a sentence. Yet, I can see others point of view that they dont see these young people being punnished for what theyve done to peoples lives and the effects its had on them (especially the elderly and infirm).
Where I worked they have just brought in a system of where a young person is punished by the community itself, its a whole process they have to go through, including restoritive justice work.. they will have to give back *decided by the community panel* to the community where they offended. I did the training course and it was fascinating, it has aproven record of impacting on young peoples lives, reduced the risk of offending and has a positive impact on local communities in the process.
Maybe this is something we should give a chance to see how effective it can be?
Yes, Ive been the victim of crime/assault by young people, been frustrated with the system, seen young people not punished for what they've done.
To me, having a positive impact on a few lives during my work with youths has been one of the most rewarding part of my life... and they have given so much more to me without even realising it.
xanaisx

13 Feb 2007

Quote by Cutepussy
in my case yes bored school kids, and fact a family that likes to run the area, apperntly a one parent dad who's in the pub, bookies, doing other things other than what his kids are doing, leting them run wild.. they are lacking windows in there house, so they must think its a in thing to have broken windows..
not that i wish it would happen to the person who moaned about fact i said i hate school hoildays, but odd how they broke up and now, people are geting things smashed, i am sure you would be as annoyed if happened to you... and as been know that most crime happens when kids are off school.... so i belive

and why?.....
because they are not taught respect, they have irresponsible parents???
Public humiliation, belittle them....but not in some cosy, entertaining establishment we call prison.
Ok, ok, so ive no idea how this could be done and the stocks and rotten fruit thing is a little outdated but i honsestly believe these thugs/crims/repeat offenders would then think twice.

13 Feb 2007

well that is your opinon, not one i well even agree with... just hope you take your own advice if and when you have children, and you have people knocking or even police, because your kids are out off control.. i belive it lies within the parents,
i was an out off control child but not to the effect i went smashing up peoples property, just the usually hanging around.. i did it because my mother spent many days sat in a pub.. instend off beng with her children... it was to late to correct her mistake.. but i has a mum to 3kids ensure there life style is better... this is my personal opinon not what others may think...

13 Feb 2007

Quote by ForestFunsters

It was only a scooter :shock:

It may have only been a scooter, but it cost you money that you had to work for to earn. It is representative of how early you had to get up, your journey into work and the actual work you did there all hours of your life that these scum would have taken from you in minutes had you not intervened.

Quote by Sassy-Seren
bring back the birch and the death penalty :shock:

It was only a scooter :shock:
I think Sassy was referring to this remark....which was alittle OTT...it does help if you quote it all! wink

Thank you Mr Powers, I was aware of the original context of the posting. I notice from your profile that you're from SE27, a fairly affluent London suburb - perhaps the theft of a mere scooter is small change for you, but for others it's not. It could be a month's savings or more, earned doing a dirty, demeaning job. It varies for all. Courts should not only take in to account the crime itself, but the status of the victims who are so often in this country denied proper and fair justice.
Woolly-minded liberalism DOESN'T WORK.
Blimey i don't know what to say...so because i live in SE27 i'm apparently wealthy??....you seem to be missing the point,someone was talking of the birch or the death penalty,Sassy said its only a scooter,to them remarks only....you should have quoted it in full so not to put her remarks out of context...as if she was trying to play down the fact that it was only a scooter....by the way when was you last in SE27?....or you sure we are thinking of the same place? confused

13 Feb 2007

Quote by Cutepussy
well that is your opinon, not one i well even agree with... just hope you take your own advice if and when you have children, and you have people knocking or even police, because your kids are out off control.. i belive it lies within the parents,

Not always Cutepussy.... We have a son who will be 12 on Thursday and we have terrible problems with him. He constantly steals from my purse, he destroys things that dont belong to him, he is always trying to physically fight with his 9 year old sister and so on.... We are constantly trying different ways of punishment, ranging from praise when he is good to removing his favourite items (i.e. his computer/playstation etc) None of this seems to have any effect and we are at our wits end with him.
We are waiting for him to be assessed for Aspergers Syndrome which means he does have social difficulties BUT he does know right from wrong. He knows it is wrong to steal, be it from me or someone else...
I know that unless he gets some sort of help he will be one of the youth's that ends up in an institution somewhere...
Sometimes no matter what you do the kids will end up committing some sort of crime dunno

13 Feb 2007

i do under stand shireen, my eldest as a really bad form off adhd , same as your child does stuff but she is 7 , statred fires when 4, but she knows its wrong only every breaks things in her home, never anywhere else.. there is nothing anyone can do for her other than keep her going she never sleeps,
. i would rather she did it in my house than someone else and if she did i would march her there and make her pay for the damge.. where's these kids havent owed up slim chance there dad knows, as my house is a main access way to shops, so can hardly miss the broken window.
as they say what goes around comes around, when there older see how they like it... proeprly not alot. goodluck with your child thou shireen

13 Feb 2007

These two responses really question whether stiffer, harsher sentences would work.
Many crimes are also committed by drug addicts to pay for their habit. These people don't consider the consequences of their actions as the try to pay for their next fix. Clearly stiffer, harsher sentences wouldn't stop them either.
I don't claim to have answers but I am scared of knee jerk reactions that I would normally associate with right wing rent a quote politicians.
It is clear a solution needs to be found but I don't believe the birch, death penalty or longer sentences is it. We, as a society, must find a way of stopping people offend and to stop people re-offending.

13 Feb 2007

Quote by Shireen
well that is your opinon, not one i well even agree with... just hope you take your own advice if and when you have children, and you have people knocking or even police, because your kids are out off control.. i belive it lies within the parents,

Not always Cutepussy.... We have a son who will be 12 on Thursday and we have terrible problems with him. He constantly steals from my purse, he destroys things that dont belong to him, he is always trying to physically fight with his 9 year old sister and so on.... We are constantly trying different ways of punishment, ranging from praise when he is good to removing his favourite items (i.e. his computer/playstation etc) None of this seems to have any effect and we are at our wits end with him.
We are waiting for him to be assessed for Aspergers Syndrome which means he does have social difficulties BUT he does know right from wrong. He knows it is wrong to steal, be it from me or someone else...
I know that unless he gets some sort of help he will be one of the youth's that ends up in an institution somewhere...
Sometimes no matter what you do the kids will end up committing some sort of crime dunno

I agree with you Shireen.
I know of a young man who was brought up to be polite, respectful, was never in trouble, did well in school and was always a 'model' child. Without going into detail, he is now in prison for the next 5 years for a very serious crime. He'll be 23 when he's released but the stigma of his crime will stay with him for years to come, maybe for the rest of his life.
Whilst I agree that most thugs, thieves and muggers ARE lacking in any sort of discipline from an early age, the case of this young man proves that sometimes criminals are 'created' from just being in the wrong place at the wrong time and just once, doing something totally out of character.
I find it hard to believe he actually COULD commit such a crime and I have no doubts he's never done it before and would never do it again.

13 Feb 2007

Quote by Cutepussy
just hope you take your own advice if and when you have children..

I have 2 children and 2 step children.
The statement was more of a question really and im sorry if you took offence Cutepussy, but after working in the courts, seeing juveniles continuously turn up in court and living amoungst these families, there are plenty that truely are irresponsible and dont give a damn where they're children are or what they may be doing. I certainly understand that parenting isnt easy but if the parents cant handle responsibility how an earth are the kids suppose to understand it?????