Quote by Shireen
Sometimes no matter what you do the kids will end up committing some sort of crime
completely agree Shireen
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completely agree Shireen
America does not have the death penalty.
Sounds like a stupid statement, let me explain.
If someone gets sentanced to death in the USA, they spend an average of 10 yrs on death row and then 90% of cases get changed to life with no parole. The problem is that whilst they are still alive there is always a chance they could be released.
If you are going to have the death penalty it should be carried out within a month of sentance.
I know people will say " what if they are innocent", if you are going to say that then you must accept the high crime rate we have.
Better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man get's hung?, not anymore. The chances of being found guilty today for a murder you did not commit is almost impossible (DNA etc etc).
I do not want my taxes paying to keep the likes of ian huntley, myra hindley, rose west etc.
Any country with a low punishment rate has a high crime rate and vice versa. I went to Cuba and there is virtually no crime, you know why?, because they get punished.
The problem with being a liberal tolerent society is that we get high crime, we worry about the rights of criminals, but what about THE RIGHTS OF THE VICTIMS?.
Rant over.
Sounds like a stupid statement, let me explain.
If someone gets sentanced to death in the USA, they spend an average of 10 yrs on death row and then 90% of cases get changed to life with no parole. The problem is that whilst they are still alive there is always a chance they could be released.
If you are going to have the death penalty it should be carried out within a month of sentance.
I know people will say " what if they are innocent", if you are going to say that then you must accept the high crime rate we have.
Better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man get's hung?, not anymore. The chances of being found guilty today for a murder you did not commit is almost impossible (DNA etc etc).
I do not want my taxes paying to keep the likes of ian huntley, myra hindley, rose west etc.
Any country with a low punishment rate has a high crime rate and vice versa. I went to Cuba and there is virtually no crime, you know why?, because they get punished.
The problem with being a liberal tolerent society is that we get high crime, we worry about the rights of criminals, but what about THE RIGHTS OF THE VICTIMS?.
Rant over.
Sexlightened
Quote by R n M
So, to the person who almost had their scooter nicked. If these toe-rags did go to prison then the Officers will be calling them Mr this and Mr that and what would you like for dinner? How does that make you feel about this government?
I understand your comments but don't see that this is the fault of the Govt. as much as the PC crowds that like to beat their breasts and scream 'inhumane' at just about everything.
Another idea maybe........Boot Camp for first time offenders. Not a namby pamby style holiday camp but something similar to Bad Lads Army that was shown on ITV recently. That seems to sort the men from the boys and teach them some discipline, manners and respect for others. :thumbup:
Quote by browning
America does not have the death penalty.
Sounds like a stupid statement, let me explain.
If someone gets sentanced to death in the USA, they spend an average of 10 yrs on death row and then 90% of cases get changed to life with no parole. The problem is that whilst they are still alive there is always a chance they could be released.
If you are going to have the death penalty it should be carried out within a month of sentance.
I know people will say " what if they are innocent", if you are going to say that then you must accept the high crime rate we have.
Better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man get's hung?, not anymore. The chances of being found guilty today for a murder you did not commit is almost impossible (DNA etc etc).
I do not want my taxes paying to keep the likes of ian huntley, myra hindley, rose west etc.
Any country with a low punishment rate has a high crime rate and vice versa. I went to Cuba and there is virtually no crime, you know why?, because they get punished.
The problem with being a liberal tolerent society is that we get high crime, we worry about the rights of criminals, but what about THE RIGHTS OF THE VICTIMS?.
Rant over.
That’s correct about Cuba, but Cuba is not part of the EU, that’s the problem, the government are limitless as to what they can do and how they can treat prisoners due to politically correct bureaucrats telling us what we can and can’t do and shouting about human rights at every breath, the same human rights the majority wanted and preach about on a daily basis, its our own downfall as criminals have human rights to, the problem is its now beginning to look like ordinary law abiding citizens have less.
Quote by machoman12
I agree with most above consider this,ifit was me instead of this lady i would have smacked them. So what's the betting i'd get done good and proper by the courts.
Believe me, if I had been closer to them I think I would have, I was so angry at them but then who knows how he might have reacted seeing as he was found to have a knife on him :shock:
Quote by anais
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They are some youths that just do not belong in one....no matter what the crime, the punnishment doesnt always fit.
The bullying that happens (I know it doesnt officially... unofficially it does, big time), young people hanging themselves in a cell? Because the bully who is in isolation calls out from a crack of a window, words are powerful and can have an amazing effect putting the fear of god into someone who is already as low as they can get and frightened.
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Ten years ago a Police Caution was just that a caution then it was off to trail. If offender left the inspector crying, that was good, the caution had had an effect.
Today a Police caution is just one of many, there seems to be no limit, as long as each offence is different. If the offender leaves crying, that could be against his human rights. I do not think that has been tested yet.
Add to that the fact that the parents seem to be telling little Johny that it is all the Polices fault, not Johny's and we have a confused generation. They are growing up with a warped sense of honour and no sense of justice.
The over realiance on forensic evidence in murder cases is very worrying. Here are some real incidents:
A man arrested for tampering with the Royal Mail (a very serious crime) The evidence his finger prints all over some of the recovered letters. Why? he had sent the Christmas cards himself.
A man convicted of terrorism because traces of semtex were found on his clothing. Why? The testing equipment was contaminated with semtex. Everything tested had traces.
A woman hadher children taken away because they did not match her DNA. It has since been discovered that some people have DNA that doesn't match their parents. Question, what else don't they know about DNA.
I am very cynical about forensic evidence. The people developing it have a vested interest in talking up their products to increase investment. They would never tell us they don't work or if there are problems.
A man arrested for tampering with the Royal Mail (a very serious crime) The evidence his finger prints all over some of the recovered letters. Why? he had sent the Christmas cards himself.
A man convicted of terrorism because traces of semtex were found on his clothing. Why? The testing equipment was contaminated with semtex. Everything tested had traces.
A woman hadher children taken away because they did not match her DNA. It has since been discovered that some people have DNA that doesn't match their parents. Question, what else don't they know about DNA.
I am very cynical about forensic evidence. The people developing it have a vested interest in talking up their products to increase investment. They would never tell us they don't work or if there are problems.
Quote by keenoThe finger print evidence was not at fault, it prove the man handled the cards. Finger prints do not prove guilt, they prove facts that are use by the jury to judge guilt.
The over realiance on forensic evidence in murder cases is very worrying. Here are some real incidents:
A man arrested for tampering with the Royal Mail (a very serious crime) The evidence his finger prints all over some of the recovered letters. Why? he had sent the Christmas cards himself.
Quote by keenoThis will have been discover when the equipment was tested and calibrated. All evidence will then been retested. If in this case it had not been done it is a failing of the lab, not the science.
A man convicted of terrorism because traces of semtex were found on his clothing. Why? The testing equipment was contaminated with semtex. Everything tested had traces.
Quote by keenoHalf of any child's DNA comes from each parent. In very rear cases where an individual is a Chimera tests from different parts of the body can result in different DNA.
A woman hadher children taken away because they did not match her DNA. It has since been discovered that some people have DNA that doesn't match their parents. Question, what else don't they know about DNA.
Quote by keenoIt is always up to people to understand what is being tested and what it proves. Forensic science never proves guilt only facts.
I am very cynical about forensic evidence. The people developing it have a vested interest in talking up their products to increase investment. They would never tell us they don't work or if there are problems.
Quote byThe finger print evidence was not at fault, it prove the man handled the cards. Finger prints do not prove guilt, they prove facts that are use by the jury to judge guilt.
The over realiance on forensic evidence in murder cases is very worrying. Here are some real incidents:
A man arrested for tampering with the Royal Mail (a very serious crime) The evidence his finger prints all over some of the recovered letters. Why? he had sent the Christmas cards himself.
Quote by keenoThis will have been discover when the equipment was tested and calibrated. All evidence will then been retested. If in this case it had not been done it is a failing of the lab, not the science.
A man convicted of terrorism because traces of semtex were found on his clothing. Why? The testing equipment was contaminated with semtex. Everything tested had traces.
Quote by keenoHalf of any child's DNA comes from each parent. In very rear cases where an individual is a Chimera tests from different parts of the body can result in different DNA.
A woman hadher children taken away because they did not match her DNA. It has since been discovered that some people have DNA that doesn't match their parents. Question, what else don't they know about DNA.
Quote by keenoIt is always up to people to understand what is being tested and what it proves. Forensic science never proves guilt only facts.
I am very cynical about forensic evidence. The people developing it have a vested interest in talking up their products to increase investment. They would never tell us they don't work or if there are problems.
I couldn't agree more however many people have a blind faith in the science and assume it is right.
The man whose fingerprints were found on the letters was cautioned by the police. A caution stays on your file for 100years. Yes, 100 years I kid you not.
Quote by keenoThe finger print evidence was not at fault, it prove the man handled the cards. Finger prints do not prove guilt, they prove facts that are use by the jury to judge guilt.
The over realiance on forensic evidence in murder cases is very worrying. Here are some real incidents:
A man arrested for tampering with the Royal Mail (a very serious crime) The evidence his finger prints all over some of the recovered letters. Why? he had sent the Christmas cards himself.
Quote by keenoThis will have been discover when the equipment was tested and calibrated. All evidence will then been retested. If in this case it had not been done it is a failing of the lab, not the science.
A man convicted of terrorism because traces of semtex were found on his clothing. Why? The testing equipment was contaminated with semtex. Everything tested had traces.
Quote by keenoHalf of any child's DNA comes from each parent. In very rear cases where an individual is a Chimera tests from different parts of the body can result in different DNA.
A woman hadher children taken away because they did not match her DNA. It has since been discovered that some people have DNA that doesn't match their parents. Question, what else don't they know about DNA.
Quote by keenoIt is always up to people to understand what is being tested and what it proves. Forensic science never proves guilt only facts.
I am very cynical about forensic evidence. The people developing it have a vested interest in talking up their products to increase investment. They would never tell us they don't work or if there are problems.
I couldn't agree more however many people have a blind faith in the science and assume it is right.
The man whose fingerprints were found on the letters was cautioned by the police. A caution stays on your file for 100years. Yes, 100 years I kid you not.A Police caution requires an acceptance of guilt by the offender, but some do that for an easy life. However if the man was proven not to be guilty then the caution should be ex-sponged.
Quote by keenoHalf of any child's DNA comes from each parent. In very rear cases where an individual is a Chimera tests from different parts of the body can result in different DNA.
A woman hadher children taken away because they did not match her DNA. It has since been discovered that some people have DNA that doesn't match their parents. Question, what else don't they know about DNA.
I watched a fascinating programme last night called *the twin inside me*, all about proving that some mothers were Chimera's.
One of the things that the scientists said relating to crime were..... some criminals would be getting away with crimes because of having two sets of DNA.
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