The sanctity of marriage

8 Nov 2004

Satisfy my curiosity will you tigris?
Are you trying to:
1. Impose your received standards on other people,
2. Rationalize your repression,
3. Hide your envy behind fake sanctimony, or
4. Save us from the Devil?
I ask merely for information.

8 Nov 2004

Quote by Ice Pie
Satisfy my curiosity will you tigris?
Are you trying to:
1. Impose your received standards on other people,
2. Rationalize your repression,
3. Hide your jealousy behind fake sanctimony, or
4. Save us from the Devil?

5. Bump this up to the top 'cos you were bored or itching for a fight?

8 Nov 2004

Tigris I'm quite intrigued with why you seem to be so obsessed with us? And I'm not being rude here, I am genuinely at a loss dunno

We have said that your beliefs are just fine - I respect those beliefs and would not try to change them. But you are not offering the same respect. You keep asking the same questions over and over again.
Look back over absolutely loads of threads where people are asking how they can 'persuade' their partner into swinging ............ not one reply will you find of advice on 'how to persuade' - because not only is it wrong, but it's also impossible to continue a solid relationship if one person feels presurised in any way shape or form.
The couples on here are extremely close, probably closer than your 'average' couple. They talk about everything together, and I mean everything. They know each others innermost secrets and desires ......... surely that is a bluddy good basis for a marriage.
Not only do they share their innermost desires, but if they are a fantasy of the partner then they will also act upon it .......... together! They have a fantastic time, and a fantastic time talking about it afterwards. But they talk about it as a couple not as a 3some, it is their shared fantasy - between them, noone else. Their love is exclusive to each other, that part is not open for negotiation, nor is it ever expected from the third party(s). It is the love and trust in each other that builds and holds a marriage together. Not a shag!!!
I will close this post the way I started. I fully respect your beliefs and would never try to change them. All these posts are to give you some understanding. Go back and read them again, and try to understand, don't try to be converted!!!!
biggrin

8 Nov 2004

Quote by MISSCHIEF
try to understand, don't try to be converted!!!!

WOW!!!!!
How so eloquently put!!!
worship

:worship:

8 Nov 2004

I swear this person is a priest.......preaching to us rolleyes

...get back in the box so i can confess all my sins..... lol

8 Nov 2004

This is getting a little jading...
Tigris
Accept the fact you don't understand and move on. And please don't be telling us our marriages and relationships are a mockery - you have no right. I'm a level headed person, I really am, but it's hard to not feel insulted by your tone on this OUR forum.
Be so good as to answer Ice's excellent questions.

8 Nov 2004

Quote by tigris
I am wondering seriously how many swinging couples would still be together as a couple if one partner decided enough was enough after reading threads like these:

I get the impression that you are perhaps a frustrated swinger, perhaps she isnt interested? Its about the only conclusion I can draw as I cant see what the hell that statement has to do with the other thread.
On the subject of that thread, I personally found it to be particularly unpleasant and contained much too much detail for my taste. But thatâ€™s me, no doubt it was informative and interesting to others, weâ€™re all different!
Tigris, I bet you have your own sexual desires, likes and dislikes and I bet some may find them disgusting!

9 Nov 2004

Quote by Happy Cats
I get the impression that you are perhaps a frustrated swinger, perhaps she isnt interested? Its about the only conclusion I can draw as I cant see what the hell that statement has to do with the other thread.

Anal sex is evil?

9 Nov 2004

Quote by roger743
I get the impression that you are perhaps a frustrated swinger, perhaps she isnt interested? Its about the only conclusion I can draw as I cant see what the hell that statement has to do with the other thread.

Anal sex is evil?
bugger me!.... is it!!!

9 Nov 2004

Quote by roger743
I get the impression that you are perhaps a frustrated swinger, perhaps she isnt interested? Its about the only conclusion I can draw as I cant see what the hell that statement has to do with the other thread.

Anal sex is evil?
Too right, if you don't take it easy and lube up well ;) ;) ;)
otherwise it's just a pain in the arse ...... :giggle:

9 Nov 2004

Quote by Calista
I get the impression that you are perhaps a frustrated swinger, perhaps she isnt interested? Its about the only conclusion I can draw as I cant see what the hell that statement has to do with the other thread.

Anal sex is evil?
Some might say Wicked :twisted:

10 Nov 2004

Quote by tigris
Yes indeed it is obvious swinging is no strings attached fun,

Er, yes.

Quote by tigris
but it clearly contradicts and makes a mockery of marriage vows more akin to the lifestyle of a porn star,

How exactly?? and the lifestyle of a pornstar quite agrees with me actually! less boring than my day to day role as a nursery nurse!!

Quote by tigris
you may view swinging as an enlightened lifestyle letting your partner indulge in anything they deem suitable for their hedonistic enjoyment

Since when is sex hedonistic enjoyment?? :dunno: are you a virgin tigris???

Quote by tigris
if it gives me pleasure why shouldn't I do it?

Why not exactly?? :dunno:

Quote by tigris"'
those that disagree with the lifestyle

Do you know what? the only person that disagrees with the lifestyle is YOU...... you see, this is a SWINGERS website, and people who come here dont disagree with it - thats why we're here! :doh:

Quote by tigris
What happens when negative consequences occur due to the swinging lifestyle?

What negative consequences, if there was anything we felt was negative we wouldnt bloody be doing it would we?????

Quote by tigris
sexually transmitted diseases for example, what precautions are taken by the swinging couple to prevent these freakish scenarios?

Er, how about condoms?? theyre little rubber things that you place over the erect penis in order to stop semen (produced at ejaculation) from entering the vagina, thus preventing sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy.

Quote by tigris
I am wondering seriously

No you're not - you're a pathetic little imbecile who has joined a swinging site in order to question and annoy - you have picked the wrong person to quote and argue with - i have pmt and people like you p**s me off anyway.
If you dont agree with the swinging lifestyle why did you join? clearly you dont want to swing, or even be involved with "people like us" so why waste the time and effort? Why dont you drop the subject? you are seriously anally retented and need to get a life. i am so disgusted at you i could spit blood - people like you need to be locked up away from society, you try to degrade other peoples beliefs and interests to give you some kind of sick satisfaction. well i'll tell you something, youve come to the wrong place and picked the wrong people - i personally wouldnt spit on you if you were on fire.
Go away, get a life and grow up.

10 Nov 2004

I shall admit I haven`t read the entire thread, but I`ve feel I`ve gleaned enough to warrant the following response. Feel free to correct me if I have missed the point.
Elsewhere on this forum I made the following statement

Quote by VenusnMars
For us (and call us soppy) it has a great deal to do with the gesture of emotional trust we have in each other. We want to swing because we are in love, not in spite of it. Our sexual preferences are such that we love each other enough not to expect each other to make sacrifices. It is our gift to each other, and no matter what we share with others physically, it is this trust and gift of sexual freedom that is sacred to us only.
Venusxxx

I`ll follow this up by saying that for us love involves mind, body, and soul. A marriage judged on physical behaviour only is to me a marriage half experianced. One day we may find our libido gone, tommorrow (god forbid) an illness or accident may render one of us incapable of sexual relations, but I am secure in the knowledge that we have the depth and understanding of each other to surpass this. This understanding includes the recognition that we both find other people sexually attractive, and being the couple we are, it`s our love for each other which encourages us to share this aspect also with each other. This realisation emphasises our love, it doesn`t sully it, we wish each other to experiance all parts of our lives as fully as possible, how could I wish less for the man I love? It is also this which dictates for the moment that we only share this with people we have come to know and love as valuable friends, for it`s an intense gift we share.
Others here may wonder why I am taking the time to respond to the member who seems to be behaving like a troll towards our chosen lifestyle, and if I had to be honest I`d have to say it`s because I pity them. Although I have the utmost respect for those who decide on educated merits that this lifestyle is not for them, I feel that someone who suffers such ignorance is denying themselves a rather beautiful philosophy. It`s not a philosophy that everyone shares, but it is ours, and therefore valid.
I can only suggest that Tigris takes a look at the following thread from a member whose questioning took a much different approach, and as a result received a much more rewarding response.
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/20086.html
Please, try education before condemnation. Your life will be much richer for it.
Venusxxx

10 Nov 2004

Bloody hell remind me never to get on your bad side Lou smile

(And I mean that in a good way)
Tigris you wont even understand love till you meet a true swinging couple and see the power there. So until you have, please go away and follow Mischiefs excellent advice.

10 Nov 2004

Quote by tallnhairy
Bloody hell remind me never to get on your bad side Lou (And I mean that in a good way)
Tigris you wont even understand love till you meet a true swinging couple and see the power there. So until you have, please go away and follow Mischiefs excellent advice.

Dont worry, I dont have a bad side towards people who dont deserve it TnH hunny!!!
I'll second what you said as well - Misschief's a mod and knows what shes talking about - unlike SOME people i could mention - tigris!

10 Nov 2004

Awwwwww TnH DaznLou!! kiss

:kiss: :kiss:
Thank you for that - quite shocked myself that me words came out in some kind of order :shock: :lol2:
Hmmm knowing what I'm talking about is a tad exagerated lol

Don't have a bluddy clue half the time :undecided: end up confusing myself and having to go and take time out 'to think about what I just said' confused

10 Nov 2004

Ok I read the entire thread (Just like me to go arse about face!) and I shall recify a couple of statements. Tigris has only made four posts, this is not enough for me to accuse him/her of ignorance in my opinion. My reply was in response to some of the strong reactions from others here (which is fine, we all feel very strongly about this, which is as it should be) I made an assumption; but in hindsight Tigris had apologised for coming across in a less than friendly way, and has communicated a desire to understand the lifestyle. I for one would be interested in hearing more from Tigris given the well thought out answers to his/her misgivings about this lifestyle.
I`d also like to answer the query about if, say, Mars decided he wasn`t comfortable with swinging. I would of course stop for it is his feeling which is paramount to me, but at the same time I would also have to explore with him what I would see as a step backward in our relationship. Mars allows me to swing because he recognises and understands my libido enough too want me to experiance it`s aspects fully, and I wish the same for him, we both wish to be a part of each others experiances. If he were to start feeling threatened or uncomfortable with this in anyway, I would have to question why, as my libido would remain the same, and I would worry that we had lost something if he didn`t want to offer me this gift. We could explore this without it becoming a pressure. In fact exploring the hidden or new aspects of our characters which crop up now and again, together, as a couple is one of those things which only serve to enrich our marraige further. If the issue couldn`t be resolved in the favour of swinging, then no matter, for as I said earlier, there is much more to our relationship than what we decide to get up to sexually.
Damn I`m feeling profound tonight :shock:
So, who wants a shag?! :mrgreen:
Venusxxx

10 Nov 2004

Quote by MISSCHIEF
Hmmm knowing what I'm talking about is a tad exagerated Don't have a bluddy clue half the time :undecided: end up confusing myself and having to go and take time out 'to think about what I just said'

So that's how you get to be a moderator! :grin:

10 Nov 2004

Quote by VenusnMars
So, who wants a shag?! :mrgreen:
Venusxxx

ME
Morbius has his x-box tonight ... please please let me have yours ;) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

10 Nov 2004

Quote by Calista

So, who wants a shag?! :mrgreen:
Venusxxx

ME
Morbius has his x-box tonight ... please please let me have yours ;) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Oi form an orderly queue there peeps :twisted:

10 Nov 2004

Quote by RSAB2
So that's how you get to be a moderator! :grin:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Funny you should say that. You know you get the really good mods, and the not so good mods? ............. well I'm in the next category along to those blink

:rotflmao: all on me own :rotflmao:

10 Nov 2004

Quote by tallnhairy

So, who wants a shag?! :mrgreen:
Venusxxx

ME
Morbius has his x-box tonight ... please please let me have yours ;) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Oi form an orderly queue there peeps :twisted:
Hey you may be taller (and hairier than me) but I can shout the loudest ;)