i liked the idea of being able to purchase the pins from the munches only for a variety of reasons.
1. There would be no need to set up a huge amount of red tape to purchase them, ie with PO Box numbers etc.
2. Various people can be involved in the selling of them at the munches, and it isn't going to be left to one individual. Surely if we trust individuals enough to let them organise a munch, we trust them enough to take care of the badges/pins, should they so choose. And if they themselves don't want to have yet another responsibility, then there would be someone at the venue i'm sure, who would be happy to oblige.
3. Selling them at munches, does not in any way need the verification that they are, or are not "swingers" who play, or don't play.
4. If you want a badge, and you are not attending a munch, then by default, asking somone who you know (either through swinging or socialising with on a friendship way) would still allow those who don't attend to have a pin.
5. As far as the press go, then if we allow them to attend the munches because they are part of the community, then they should be able to purchase a pin the same as the rest of us, but by selling them only at the munches/parties, the chances of the press ACTUALLY getting hold of them are in my opinion, somewhat lessened.
The way i see it, and this is my personal opinion, is, you either need to have some sort of definitive avenue of purchasing them, or, you open the sale of them to the general public.
They are afterall supposed to be specific to this site, so what would be wrong with parties and munches which are the social events of this site, being the very places where these items are purchased?
Once again, i recognise the diverse views of each of us, and thank goodness each time, that this is exactly why the site itself is so successful.
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how to distribute them is one thing.. getting them actually made is another thing.
there would have to be money upfront in order to pay for them to be produced.. how would this work?
would people have to give a firm order - to the point of actually paying in advance.. so that whoever was sorting it out had all the cash upfront???
if so.... i doubt that selling them at munches would work!
it would also mean that once the order had been done.. no new people would be able to obtain them.. as they would have to have a whole new order!
there would have to be money upfront in order to pay for them to be produced.. how would this work?
would people have to give a firm order - to the point of actually paying in advance.. so that whoever was sorting it out had all the cash upfront???
if so.... i doubt that selling them at munches would work!
it would also mean that once the order had been done.. no new people would be able to obtain them.. as they would have to have a whole new order!
:lol: :lol: Yes Scandal, there are currently 16222 registered members (when hello it is me again was the latest registered member) and so far, around 22 of them have piped up and expressed even the remotest interest in having an SH pin badge.
If the other 16 200 decide they also want one - then they can bloomin well log on and say so.
Right now, all we are talking about is a few dozen people who like the fun idea of having a small SH pin badge.
And yes, it may have been suggested somewhere in the thread that only those who go to munches should get badges. But so what? Everyone is entitled to an opinion - it is one that is unlikely to receive any real support.
The talk of munches has mostly been around the fact that for the few dozen people who have said they would like one, the munches would be a good way for most of them to collect them, with the odd few that cannot, making individual arrangements.
It is a just a fun pin badge - not the national issue of ID cards.
lhk
Kat
lhk
Orgasminator
Whilst I fully support the idea of a Swinging Heaven pin or lapel badge, I do have reservations about Marks idea for a design. (Looking at it purely from an engineering production point of view). The design when shrunk to pin or lapel badge size would require a good number of colour sections over what will be a very small area of badge. This might prove to an awkward problem when it comes down to doing a production run.
It might pay to submit Marks design to a Badge Manufacturer first, to see if it a feasible project, and if so, get a quote for the minimum number that the manufacturer is willing to supply. This alone could run into several thousand badges.
This would at least give Swinging Heaven members an idea of the individual cost per badge. It is usual in the production of such items to give a cheaper price if you buy more than their minimum order, so it may be worth asking for quotes for different production run numbers.
The other problem is the Manufacturer is going to want his payment prior to, or on delivery, this could easily run into four figures, an amount that many of us don't have lying around as petty cash. Do we have any millionairs in S/H by any chance?
A little research first may be in order here, I'm not trying to pour cold water on the idea, I'm just trying to be practical. Anyway, I WANT ONE.
Harry0
Casanova, Drunk, Pessimist and Dogger of this Parish.
:borg:
It might pay to submit Marks design to a Badge Manufacturer first, to see if it a feasible project, and if so, get a quote for the minimum number that the manufacturer is willing to supply. This alone could run into several thousand badges.
This would at least give Swinging Heaven members an idea of the individual cost per badge. It is usual in the production of such items to give a cheaper price if you buy more than their minimum order, so it may be worth asking for quotes for different production run numbers.
The other problem is the Manufacturer is going to want his payment prior to, or on delivery, this could easily run into four figures, an amount that many of us don't have lying around as petty cash. Do we have any millionairs in S/H by any chance?
A little research first may be in order here, I'm not trying to pour cold water on the idea, I'm just trying to be practical. Anyway, I WANT ONE.
Harry0
Casanova, Drunk, Pessimist and Dogger of this Parish.
:borg: Hehe, well put Kit Kat...
Moving from design (sent mine to Mischief) to the other points:
Giving excess from the pin to charity, good plan. Adopting an existing charity badge, bad (IMHO). Reason? Well the obvious one is lots of people who are nothing to do with SH will have the badge, coupled with the negative publicity if the charity take a moral viewpoint on swinging and get upset at our appropriating their symbol.
Re spreading through munches:
1. Initial cash
I think we could find a few people willing to risk some cash upfront to get the system started. Or a small group could be formed to raise capital, we not talking hundreds here. I would assume and once the artwork is created smaller runs should be cheaper from there on.
2. Only through munch distribution
At least initially this cuts administration and gets things rolling, yes it limits those who can get them but once things are moving forward if there is demand we can do mail order through the site if we want.
Also as was posted earlier we could allow parties to do a group purchase of badges (which could be from stock, or include costs for a special run at whoever making them). This lets small non munch going social groups (like for example a contact from the chatroom who wanted to do a mail order service) to distribute themselves.
For adds only / chatroom only person who doesn't have links to the forum at all. Just register and pop into the forum to see if someone will grab you one from an upcoming munch and post to you. Sure for each munch a few volunteers will grab badges and do some limited posting out. We don't have a dedicated staff here, just volunteer mods who already have enough on their plates. If we sell a few hundred badges we will doing well and they will serve their purpose.
Finally back to design a little itty bit ;) The papers will prob get bored enough one day to post whatever design we chose. A simple design will be forgotten faster. The lady logo is designed to be memorable, as Silk and Big G said this site has one good brand. One of the reasons being it sticks in the mind, so for me that rules out the lady for the pin.
We don't need a badge to only be worn to a munch, we already know the people who are there are from the site. Plus we pretty good at name badges. I think the pressure behind an overt badge is more as a souvenir, the drive from the others is for a recognition pin you could wear on a night out, or down the pub that would maybe lead to a social chat with another SH member. Again longer term maybe we could do an overt lady pin as an alternate design, it is nice. Initially however I don't think it will serve as good a purpose, and I am sure it will cost more than an off the shelf / simple design.
Moving from design (sent mine to Mischief) to the other points:
Giving excess from the pin to charity, good plan. Adopting an existing charity badge, bad (IMHO). Reason? Well the obvious one is lots of people who are nothing to do with SH will have the badge, coupled with the negative publicity if the charity take a moral viewpoint on swinging and get upset at our appropriating their symbol.
Re spreading through munches:
1. Initial cash
I think we could find a few people willing to risk some cash upfront to get the system started. Or a small group could be formed to raise capital, we not talking hundreds here. I would assume and once the artwork is created smaller runs should be cheaper from there on.
2. Only through munch distribution
At least initially this cuts administration and gets things rolling, yes it limits those who can get them but once things are moving forward if there is demand we can do mail order through the site if we want.
Also as was posted earlier we could allow parties to do a group purchase of badges (which could be from stock, or include costs for a special run at whoever making them). This lets small non munch going social groups (like for example a contact from the chatroom who wanted to do a mail order service) to distribute themselves.
For adds only / chatroom only person who doesn't have links to the forum at all. Just register and pop into the forum to see if someone will grab you one from an upcoming munch and post to you. Sure for each munch a few volunteers will grab badges and do some limited posting out. We don't have a dedicated staff here, just volunteer mods who already have enough on their plates. If we sell a few hundred badges we will doing well and they will serve their purpose.
Finally back to design a little itty bit ;) The papers will prob get bored enough one day to post whatever design we chose. A simple design will be forgotten faster. The lady logo is designed to be memorable, as Silk and Big G said this site has one good brand. One of the reasons being it sticks in the mind, so for me that rules out the lady for the pin.
We don't need a badge to only be worn to a munch, we already know the people who are there are from the site. Plus we pretty good at name badges. I think the pressure behind an overt badge is more as a souvenir, the drive from the others is for a recognition pin you could wear on a night out, or down the pub that would maybe lead to a social chat with another SH member. Again longer term maybe we could do an overt lady pin as an alternate design, it is nice. Initially however I don't think it will serve as good a purpose, and I am sure it will cost more than an off the shelf / simple design.
Sex God
Quote by JudyTV
Oh sorry I havent been keeping up ..............so is the suggestion now that people who attend munches only qualify for a badge . .
I don't think that was a hard and fast condition but I personally do not see a reason for a pin if people are not socially involved thats all, they wont want to wear it for the office or would they? Its for socialising recognition surely otherwise what is the point of having one. Its real advantage would be that people would recognise each other in any social environment be it a club or a pub or whatever. If they don't socialise then they ain't going to seen by someone on East Enders wearing one when they are sat at home wearing the thing in their armchair are they. Just an opinion.
Anyway, like someone has just said in PM this is the fourth time its been brought up in the cafe. Will it ever become a reality? Don't hold your breath.
Judy
We'd recognise you anywhere girl :-)
xxxx I would be interested in a pin, but not really too keen on the "lady" logo Mark added earlier in the thread. Not something I could wear at work..... The oval symbol however, i think yes it is something I could run with.
offer a secure address to send orders to in so far as giving the seller anonimity. Actually no it doesn't. will not go into specifics, but I owned one myself for over fifteen years. As for the security of the return addresses. well if trusted ppl from the site were involved in the selling of the pins, then it would just have to go on trust. I for one would not object to sending for something, providing it didnt drop through the letter box with "porno xxxx swinger material enclosed" over the wrapper.
Who can have one.... anybody as far as I am concerned. Otherwise you would fall foul of the verification process. any limitation of any kind would smell of elitism. (unless you make it a mandatory 18 months... that way most of you lot wouldnt get one, and by the time they are produced I could
(only joking!!)
How can they be distributed.... at munches without a postage charge, through some form of postal system at a higher price. Makes a little sense i feel
When could they be worn... anywhere, but personally the amount of times we have arrived at the hotel of a munch or party, shuffled nervously through the reception area as there were other folks there, only to find them at the social event afterwards and they were wondering just as we were.
Volunteer to stump up a large wedge to get them produced?
produce what
of course the above is always just my opinion.
Ian
offer a secure address to send orders to in so far as giving the seller anonimity. Actually no it doesn't. will not go into specifics, but I owned one myself for over fifteen years. As for the security of the return addresses. well if trusted ppl from the site were involved in the selling of the pins, then it would just have to go on trust. I for one would not object to sending for something, providing it didnt drop through the letter box with "porno xxxx swinger material enclosed" over the wrapper.
Who can have one.... anybody as far as I am concerned. Otherwise you would fall foul of the verification process. any limitation of any kind would smell of elitism. (unless you make it a mandatory 18 months... that way most of you lot wouldnt get one, and by the time they are produced I could
(only joking!!)How can they be distributed.... at munches without a postage charge, through some form of postal system at a higher price. Makes a little sense i feel
When could they be worn... anywhere, but personally the amount of times we have arrived at the hotel of a munch or party, shuffled nervously through the reception area as there were other folks there, only to find them at the social event afterwards and they were wondering just as we were.
Volunteer to stump up a large wedge to get them produced?
produce what
of course the above is always just my opinion.
Ian
Sex God
This site sez about 200 quid all in for a hundred.
Some thoughts......
The design should be subtle - Whilst Mark's design looks good on screen, you will get asked by uncle Tom Cobbly and all what it is. It also looks very similar to a lap-dancing club's log near to where I live.
Yes there are lots of users registered and yes lots of them disappeared into the night never to be seen again. But to use munches as THE means of distribution (???) to make it so the well known swinging heaven(forum/chatroom) regulars are the only members ever likely to get their hands on one.... well, doesn't this defeat the objective of having the pin in the first place. Surely if you go to munches or socialise with people who go to munches ... you are likely to recognise these people anyway. If the purpose of the pin is to help other SH members to recognise you as a SH member, the people who would benefit from this the most are the quiet ones? The ones that contact people through ads or reading LMU, who don't know each other already.
How you use SH should not effect the availability of a badge. Whether you have contributed 1000's of posts or none at all. Whether you are in the chatroom every night or never go in. Whether you use the site to find information on clubs and arrange to meet other people there through PM's. Some people just like to read to keep up to date with what is happening. A user/member is a user/member. Lets face it some lucky sods are too busy enjoying a 'swinging' time to sit around using the forum or chatroom.
The design should be subtle - Whilst Mark's design looks good on screen, you will get asked by uncle Tom Cobbly and all what it is. It also looks very similar to a lap-dancing club's log near to where I live.
Yes there are lots of users registered and yes lots of them disappeared into the night never to be seen again. But to use munches as THE means of distribution (???) to make it so the well known swinging heaven(forum/chatroom) regulars are the only members ever likely to get their hands on one.... well, doesn't this defeat the objective of having the pin in the first place. Surely if you go to munches or socialise with people who go to munches ... you are likely to recognise these people anyway. If the purpose of the pin is to help other SH members to recognise you as a SH member, the people who would benefit from this the most are the quiet ones? The ones that contact people through ads or reading LMU, who don't know each other already.
How you use SH should not effect the availability of a badge. Whether you have contributed 1000's of posts or none at all. Whether you are in the chatroom every night or never go in. Whether you use the site to find information on clubs and arrange to meet other people there through PM's. Some people just like to read to keep up to date with what is happening. A user/member is a user/member. Lets face it some lucky sods are too busy enjoying a 'swinging' time to sit around using the forum or chatroom.
Quote by PoloLady
Some thoughts......
The design should be subtle - Whilst Mark's design looks good on screen, you will get asked by uncle Tom Cobbly and all what it is. It also looks very similar to a lap-dancing club's log near to where I live.
Yes there are lots of users registered and yes lots of them disappeared into the night never to be seen again. But to use munches as THE means of distribution (???) to make it so the well known swinging heaven(forum/chatroom) regulars are the only members ever likely to get their hands on one.... well, doesn't this defeat the objective of having the pin in the first place. Surely if you go to munches or socialise with people who go to munches ... you are likely to recognise these people anyway. If the purpose of the pin is to help other SH members to recognise you as a SH member, the people who would benefit from this the most are the quiet ones? The ones that contact people through ads or reading LMU, who don't know each other already.
How you use SH should not effect the availability of a badge. Whether you have contributed 1000's of posts or none at all. Whether you are in the chatroom every night or never go in. Whether you use the site to find information on clubs and arrange to meet other people there through PM's. Some people just like to read to keep up to date with what is happening. A user/member is a user/member. Lets face it some lucky sods are too busy enjoying a 'swinging' time to sit around using the forum or chatroom.
not being one to dis-agree with the above i feel i have to agree :shock: I agree to Polo, but to start off I still feel munches are a good way to hit a large proportion of the socially active SH 
If it all takes off then the excess cash (initially) can be ploughed back in to setup a mail order thingy. If we can find someone who wants to run it, and if there is actually the interest outside of the munch / party going users for the badge.
Suppose I would argue for a walk before we run, rather than delay the whole thing trying to get a suits every scenario solution from word go. Start simple and cheap, and expand as demand (and volunteers) allow.
If it all takes off then the excess cash (initially) can be ploughed back in to setup a mail order thingy. If we can find someone who wants to run it, and if there is actually the interest outside of the munch / party going users for the badge.Suppose I would argue for a walk before we run, rather than delay the whole thing trying to get a suits every scenario solution from word go. Start simple and cheap, and expand as demand (and volunteers) allow.
Quote by tallnhairy
I agree to Polo, but to start off I still feel munches are a good way to hit a large proportion of the socially active SH
Suppose I would argue for a walk before we run, rather than delay the whole thing trying to get a suits every scenario solution from word go. Start simple and cheap, and expand as demand (and volunteers) allow.
Now that is a different matter! Using some initial sales at munches to raise cash for the 'Pin for SH fund' is totally different to using munches as the only distribution option. If the latter was the case then you only need around 200 anyway and the majority of people wearing them will likely know/recognise eachother anyway.
Sex God
Spot on Jude , its not a happening id care to bet the rent on .
Sex God
Quote by tallnhairy
If it all takes off then the excess cash (initially) can be ploughed back in to setup a mail order thingy.
What excess cash? I thought the idea was to sell them at cost.
Quote by Ice Pie
If it all takes off then the excess cash (initially) can be ploughed back in to setup a mail order thingy.
What excess cash? I thought the idea was to sell them at cost.
Thinking aloud Ice
If we need initial capital for a run and want to start selling mail order, we could sell at a slight profit to ensure at the end of the first run we have enough to do the second and repay anyone who helped cover the initial startup cost.Run on a non profit basis, all monies used for either more badges or charity donation. So no person makes any money, but equally no one has to risk their money once we sold the first batch.
Sex God
Well Misschief , Pie
Who'd a thought it even a badge on a liberated swingers site , laid low by political correctness . Id suggest ( being a facist at heart ) completely forgeting the whole democratic thing and just going with what you all want sans member comment . Power to the people ? Nah leave it to the ruling classes.
Who'd a thought it even a badge on a liberated swingers site , laid low by political correctness . Id suggest ( being a facist at heart ) completely forgeting the whole democratic thing and just going with what you all want sans member comment . Power to the people ? Nah leave it to the ruling classes.
Sex God
Quote by tallnhairy
If it all takes off then the excess cash (initially) can be ploughed back in to setup a mail order thingy.
What excess cash? I thought the idea was to sell them at cost.
Thinking aloud Ice
If we need initial capital for a run and want to start selling mail order, we could sell at a slight profit to ensure at the end of the first run we have enough to do the second and repay anyone who helped cover the initial startup cost.Run on a non profit basis, all monies used for either more badges or charity donation. So no person makes any money, but equally no one has to risk their money once we sold the first batch.
Sounds far too businesslike for me. Several people have expressed a willingess to put the money up front, sell the pins at cost and get their money back. Simple. Given that there are always new members joining, there would presumably be a constant need for a stock, so funding that stock by charging extra for the first batch would mean that the people who paid over the odds would never get it back.
Quote by Ice Pie
If it all takes off then the excess cash (initially) can be ploughed back in to setup a mail order thingy.
What excess cash? I thought the idea was to sell them at cost.
Thinking aloud Ice
If we need initial capital for a run and want to start selling mail order, we could sell at a slight profit to ensure at the end of the first run we have enough to do the second and repay anyone who helped cover the initial startup cost.Run on a non profit basis, all monies used for either more badges or charity donation. So no person makes any money, but equally no one has to risk their money once we sold the first batch.
Sounds far too businesslike for me. Several people have expressed a willingess to put the money up front, sell the pins at cost and get their money back. Simple. Given that there are always new members joining, there would presumably be a constant need for a stock, so funding that stock by charging extra for the first batch would mean that the people who paid over the odds would never get it back.
Yeh your right....F*CK IT!
I wouldn't know where to attach my SH pin when I'm in the club jacuzzi anyway!
:lol: :lol: Quote by Ice Pie
If it all takes off then the excess cash (initially) can be ploughed back in to setup a mail order thingy.
What excess cash? I thought the idea was to sell them at cost.
Thinking aloud Ice
If we need initial capital for a run and want to start selling mail order, we could sell at a slight profit to ensure at the end of the first run we have enough to do the second and repay anyone who helped cover the initial startup cost.Run on a non profit basis, all monies used for either more badges or charity donation. So no person makes any money, but equally no one has to risk their money once we sold the first batch.
Sounds far too businesslike for me. Several people have expressed a willingess to put the money up front, sell the pins at cost and get their money back. Simple. Given that there are always new members joining, there would presumably be a constant need for a stock, so funding that stock by charging extra for the first batch would mean that the people who paid over the odds would never get it back.
True in a way :) If we all sorted financially then obviously no need to consider anyway.
I just suggest we consider a small 'extra' charge on all badge sales. As suggested above initially this 'profit' could be used to offset the costs of a second or third badge run.
Once you have the £100 or so spare (in example) already there is no one to pay back and we can do another run anytime we like. From here on in the 'extra' on top of the badge cost would go to charity as a few others suggested. So the price remains the same. Just an idea, may not work.
Sex God
Quote by Silk and Big G
Well Misschief , Pie
Who'd a thought it even a badge on a liberated swingers site , laid low by political correctness . Id suggest ( being a facist at heart ) completely forgeting the whole democratic thing and just going with what you all want sans member comment . Power to the people ? Nah leave it to the ruling classes.
That's not an option for me personally. I don't want to present people with a fait accompli and then ask them to pay for it. That's the point isn't it? We're talking about something people have to buy. It would be different if it were a gift, but it's not.
We've got an opportunity here to produce something from the combined input of lots of people, which to my mind makes it far more likely that the final result will appeal to a lot of people. Besides, the horse has already bolted - many people have contributed ideas, and I for one aint going to ignore them having personally invited their input. For me to just charge on ahead and do something that I happen to like and say to everyone 'there ya go, like it or lump it' would make me an awful hypocrite after all I've said. Maybe someone else will jump the gun, but not me.
Ice
Sex God
Quote by tallnhairy
Once you have the £100 or so spare (in example) already there is no one to pay back and we can do another run anytime we like. From here on in the 'extra' on top of the badge cost would go to charity as a few others suggested. So the price remains the same. Just an idea, may not work.
Sorry, I don't quite follow that. If the extra is to fund subsequent production, giving it to charity just puts you back on square one when you need another stock. I'm obviously missing something here, but it's been a long day. ;)
Quote by Ice Pie
Once you have the £100 or so spare (in example) already there is no one to pay back and we can do another run anytime we like. From here on in the 'extra' on top of the badge cost would go to charity as a few others suggested. So the price remains the same. Just an idea, may not work.
Sorry, I don't quite follow that. If the extra is to fund subsequent production, giving it to charity just puts you back on square one when you need another stock. I'm obviously missing something here, but it's been a long day. ;)
No you not mad mate... Example of idea below:
Initial run cost say £100, we stump up
Sell badges to raise £200
Pay back the £100 to people who started it
Use £100 left to do another run... it makes £200 but we didn't need to 'borrow' anything to do it so we have after taking the £100 (for run 3) we have £100 spare which goes to charity.
Hope that made sense. Of course in RL we may want to make it self financing over 2 or 3 runs (so badges + 1/3 over cost) and we have people chipping in for first 3 runs of say 100. Or we may only ever make 100 badges so we just make the money back charging cost.
Sex God
Quote by PoloLady
I wouldn't know where to attach my SH pin when I'm in the club jacuzzi anyway!
Do you want diagrams? :shock:
Sex God
Quote by tallnhairy
Initial run cost say £100, we stump up
Sell badges to raise £200
Pay back the £100 to people who started it
Use £100 left...
Stop. There is no "£100 left". You've paid £100 to the manufacturer. Raised £200 from buyers, so your £100 up. You pay £100 to the first lot of buyers, so you're even.
Sex God
Quote by johnneuk1:idea:
I had a dream ,
Of simple badge to help swingers recognise each other.
The wheels were set in motion people talked:
Nobody could agree,
The jury is out :?:
Will it return or fade away in indecision :?: 8-)
:idea: my next dream is to solve the conflict in the middle east
should have started with this one first....sort of ease yourself in with an easier one
Quote by Ice Pie
Initial run cost say £100, we stump up
Sell badges to raise £200
Pay back the £100 to people who started it
Use £100 left...
Stop. There is no "£100 left". You've paid £100 to the manufacturer. Raised £200 from buyers, so your £100 up. You pay £100 to the first lot of buyers, so you're even.
Nope (or am I mad...)
Costs for badges £100, borrow from SH members
Sell to raise £200, so we have £200 in hand (we sell badges for twice cost)
From this you have your £100 to pay back our peeps who loaned cash, and £100 left.
This left money covers costs so you don't need people to risk their own money for run 2. You only have spare cash for a donation after selling all the 2nd lot of badges.
Quote by Ice Pie
Initial run cost say £100, we stump up
Sell badges to raise £200
Pay back the £100 to people who started it
Use £100 left...
Stop. There is no "£100 left". You've paid £100 to the manufacturer. Raised £200 from buyers, so your £100 up. You pay £100 to the first lot of buyers, so you're even.
You borrow £100, sell at £200
payback £100 and buy again at £100
sell at £200...now buy again at £100 and give £100 to charity....
after the second phase you make £100 each time...
Sex God
Quote by tallnhairy
Initial run cost say £100, we stump up
Sell badges to raise £200
Pay back the £100 to people who started it
Use £100 left...
Stop. There is no "£100 left". You've paid £100 to the manufacturer. Raised £200 from buyers, so your £100 up. You pay £100 to the first lot of buyers, so you're even.
Nope (or am I mad...)
Costs for badges £100, borrow from SH members
Sell to raise £200, so we have £200 in hand (we sell badges for twice cost)
No.
If you sell for twice the cost you will be £100 up. To have a positive balance of £200 you would have to sell at three times the cost.
