The Swinging Heaven Pin

12 Jan 2005

Quote by Scandal
Ahem.........
I am a business consultant.
Would you like me to do a business plan, profit & loss forecast and cash flow forecast?

Please, think we sorted now, slight misunderstanding of my Â£200 statement and what I meant. Ice mate don't worry about it Mischief will kill me for hi-jacking a minute.

12 Jan 2005

Quote by northwest-cpl

Initial run cost say Â£100, we stump up
Sell badges to raise Â£200
Pay back the Â£100 to people who started it
Use Â£100 left...

Stop. There is no "Â£100 left". You've paid Â£100 to the manufacturer. Raised Â£200 from buyers, so your Â£100 up. You pay Â£100 to the first lot of buyers, so you're even.
You borrow Â£100, sell at Â£200
payback Â£100 and buy again at Â£100
sell at Â£200...now buy again at Â£100 and give Â£100 to charity....
after the second phase you make Â£100 each time...
OK let's break that down stage by stage
"You borrow Â£100, sell at Â£200"
You now have Â£200 in hand, and you owe Â£100 to members. Net balance = Â£100
"payback Â£100..."
Â£100 in hand, nothing owed. Net balance = Â£100
"...and buy again at Â£100"
No cash, nothing owed. Net balance = Zero.
"Sell at Â£200..."
You now have Â£200 in hand and owe nothing. Net balance Â£200.
"... now buy again at Â£100..." Â£100 in hand, nothing owed. Net balance = Â£100
"... and give Â£100 to charity" No cash in hand, nothing owed. Net balance = Zero
"After the second phase you make Â£100 each time"
No you don't, you've broken even by charging double and giving the profit to charity. Ask me if I want to pay double and give the profit to charity. Go on, ask me. ;)

12 Jan 2005

Can the pins be made of sugar, so they can easily be disposed of by eating them if caught in a compromising situation?

12 Jan 2005

Quote by Scandal
Ahem.........
I am a business consultant.
Would you like me to do a business plan, profit & loss forecast and cash flow forecast?

business consultents...........are only business consultents............because they cannot run a business of there own?

12 Jan 2005

Quote by Scandal
Ahem.........
I am a business consultant.
Would you like me to do a business plan, profit & loss forecast and cash flow forecast?

Please, think we sorted now, slight misunderstanding of my Â£200 statement and what I meant. Ice mate don't worry about it Mischief will kill me for hi-jacking a minute.
Oh shame, well never mind. Was thinking of applying for European Funding for a working party to look into the idea lol

:lol:
As HRD consultant I could see if there was the possibility of gaining Investors In People accreditation for the business and setting up an NVQ scheme (with Enterprise funding of course). Then the pins could be colour coded to relate to your NVQ level of achievement!
rolleyes

:lol:

12 Jan 2005

Quote by Debbiewebs
Ahem.........
I am a business consultant.
Would you like me to do a business plan, profit & loss forecast and cash flow forecast?

business consultents...........are only business consultents............because they cannot run a business of there own?
Most of the business consultants I know are only business consultants coss they earn a ferkin shed load of money and with less hassle than running a business.

12 Jan 2005

Um er, yes thats right Ice, and a lot of people were suggesting a donation from the badges goes to charity (aren't we a caring lot smile

) so thats the basis of the plan. Like I say if there is always someone (or ones) willing to cover a run cost and risk losing money then you don't need capital.
However if we want to offset costs you do, and at end of day no one wants to make any money, so you either overcharge those getting a hot off press badge, then price drops, or you set a price and give any excess to charity :)

12 Jan 2005

Quote by tallnhairy
Um er, yes thats right Ice, and a lot of people were suggesting a donation from the badges goes to charity (aren't we a caring lot ) so thats the basis of the plan. Like I say if there is always someone (or ones) willing to cover a run cost and risk losing money then you don't need capital.
However if we want to offset costs you do, and at end of day no one wants to make any money, so you either overcharge those getting a hot off press badge, then price drops, or you set a price and give any excess to charity :)

And if someone (me for example) doesn't want to contribute to charity? Are you going to tell me I can't have a pin?
As mentioned before, getting people to put the money up front isn't a problem. Several people have said they'd be willing so all this profit and loss projection stuff is really unnecessary. I personally think the most sensible thing to do is, we buy the pins, we sell them at cost, we break even - end of story. Why make it complicated? dunno

{excuse for multiple edits - I'm knackered ;) )

12 Jan 2005

Quote by roger743
Can the pins be made of sugar, so they can easily be disposed of by eating them if caught in a compromising situation?

Roger please....sugar is bad for you, some members may not like sugar, would we use granulated or cane, demerrara or castor, it seems to me that your idea may exclude some members and would therefore be seen as elitest....please consider this next time.

12 Jan 2005

Quote by Scandal

business consultents...........are only business consultents............because they cannot run a business of there own?

I do that too, it's a business consultancy ! wink

:wink: :wink:
so tell me then what in?? :wink: :wink: :wink:

12 Jan 2005

Quote by davej
Can the pins be made of sugar, so they can easily be disposed of by eating them if caught in a compromising situation?

Roger please....sugar is bad for you, some members may not like sugar, would we use granulated or cane, demerrara or castor, it seems to me that your idea may exclude some members and would therefore be seen as elitest....please consider this next time. :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

12 Jan 2005

hijack thread alert :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

12 Jan 2005

Quote by johnneuk1
hijack thread alert :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

not really johneuk1 just call it an intermission ............right back to the important stuff......
badges

12 Jan 2005

Don't worry - Misschief will be along with her moddy wand in a bit to tidy up! wink

Go on Misschief - dare you. :twisted:
Money - staying well out of that one, except to say, if the cost of the pin was Â£1-37, I would rather keep it simple and pay Â£1-50 per pin.
Design - I'd love to have the lady as a design, but I agree that it would be too fussy on a small badge and we should go for something simpler.
Distribution - anything really, as long as it does not involve some poor volunteer spending their entire life answering e-mails with the subject heading 'can I have a badge please' trying to figure out if they are really members, sending the money back to those who are not members, and sticking stamps on little boxes to send pins out to those who are! rolleyes

lhk
Kat
P.S. Should we have a loyalty bonus in the form of a tiered cost system linked to the number of posts made? :twisted:

12 Jan 2005

ok then sozzz

12 Jan 2005

Quote by KitKat
Don't worry - Misschief will be along with her moddy wand in a bit to tidy up!
Go on Misschief - dare you. :twisted:
Money - staying well out of that one, except to say, if the cost of the pin was Â£1-37, I would rather keep it simple and pay Â£1-50 per pin.
Design - I'd love to have the lady as a design, but I agree that it would be too fussy on a small badge and we should go for something simpler.
Distribution - anything really, as long as it does not involve some poor volunteer spending their entire life answering e-mails with the subject heading 'can I have a badge please' trying to figure out if they are really members, sending the money back to those who are not members, and sticking stamps on little boxes to send pins out to those who are!
lhk
Kat
P.S. Should we have a loyalty bonus in the form of a tiered cost system linked to the number of posts made? :twisted:

Kat!!! You are such a bugger!!! smackbottom

A wonderful post, which I agree with you about everything ........... and then, right at the end, you go and contradict your 'keep it simple' phrase, by chucking in your bluddy loyalty bonus!!

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

12 Jan 2005

It's OK, I have it all worked out, based on the Bradford system for monitoring sickness.
Start with the posts per day, and multiply by the number of days on which they have posted. Adjust according to the following penalties/bonuses. Multiply by 2 for anyone in the chatroom and the forum, and a further 50% bonus for having an advert. Deduct 20% for any formal warnings or post deletions by a mod. Add 10% for every munch or party attended and a 50% if you organised either a munch or a party.
Sorted. cool

- unless anyone else has any additional bonuses/penalties?
lhk

12 Jan 2005

Ice get in here and check kitkats maths I can't work out if I qualify of not

12 Jan 2005

Quote by JudyTV
:idea:
I had a dream ,
Of simple badge to help swingers recognise each other.
The wheels were set in motion people talked :
Nobody could agree,
The jury is out :?:
Will it return or fade away in indecision :?: 8-)
:idea: my next dream is to solve the conflict in the middle east

Yup.
It happened last time, it happened the time before that and it has happened this time. It will probably happen the next time. Why are we NOT surprised eh?
This is the reason businesses, governments and major organisations have leaders. Things get done because they let you vote on something they have already decided to do.
You got the idea now?
Judy
Sometimes though through all the fluff of the ideas a concept comes out, and things come together smile

We very soon will have an SH calendar for 2005 biggrin

and that done the rounds like a pin for a while...
Eternal optimist

12 Jan 2005

or.... we could just put the chosen design on the site, then you can print it out, cut it out, super glue it to an existing tie pin, paint over with clear nail varnish and Hey Presto - we all have swinging heaven pin badges! cool

lhk

12 Jan 2005

So who is organising the balloons to go on your head ?? :shock:

12 Jan 2005

Quote by Silk and Big G
So who is organising the balloons to go on your head ?? :shock:

no one yet,we've yet to agree the colour and wether or not we should partially fill them with a mixture of flour and water to add a symbolic bukkaka welcome to the proceedings

12 Jan 2005

OOOh we like the involuntary bukkake idea ! Trust Dave to inject some sensible concepts into the thread . So you approach the pin wearer and pop their balloon with your non-complicated , inconspicuous , meaningless non-descript pin . They are then showered in pseudo-semen .......after expressing their pleasure and amusement dare I suggest adding a further enhancement along the lines of a secret hand shake , or some kind of finger manipulation , and perchance rolling a selected piece of clothing in a tell tale way ( not trouser leg that has been done) . Discreet but not overpowering and a complete mystery to the press ! I think weve cracked it.

12 Jan 2005

Can I also add that if you dont actually meet anyone during the night then you can take your balloon back home cos lets face it, your only a frying pan and a squeeze of jiffy lemon away from a pancake............
...........ideas in action .................

12 Jan 2005

What about having the shape of the lady Mark suggested but simplifying the colours?
Mainly blue with SH in red or sommat dunno

Dawn :silly:

12 Jan 2005

To para-phrase Bill Gates
who's ideal balloon do you want to be today ?

12 Jan 2005

Were calling time on the pin altogether and just having balloons now . We are currently looking for a stockist of squre balloons as both round and long balloons are too overtly sexual and could lead to awkward questions. They cant be see through because they will look like condoms , and that will spoil the mock-bukkake surprise element .
Further more they can only be worn in order that people who you have met twelve times before can recognise you . Whilst wearing one you must be having sex with someone other than your own partner at all times ( to prove you arent a time waster) . They must never be worn in the company of anyone who has not been approved by seven people that have met them at least twice , and can demonstarte that they have no affiliation to any school , company or institution that anyone else has ever been a member of , at any time unless they have had sex with that person ( assuming that person isnt their partner).
Its important that you should only use the badge to identify yourself to someone who knows exactly who you are , and then pop it with a normal pin which the design has yet to be decided on .

13 Jan 2005

mmmmmm
i thought this was a free open site where all get involed.
looks like we need to be like a certain group,
ok lets forgrt the pin and all try and join the masons cool

13 Jan 2005

Its like brassy or coppery

13 Jan 2005

Quote by Silk and Big G
Were calling time on the pin altogether and just having balloons now . We are currently looking for a stockist of squre balloons as both round and long balloons are too overtly sexual and could lead to awkward questions. .

I see that you failed to specifically exclude the twisted corkscrew ones which as far as I am aware are already being used in a similar fashion for a small off shoot group that areaffiliated to the publication called........pig farmers weekly.
oppps intermission over...............so can we make our own badges, do we have some designs from which to choose. I would happily wear mine most of the time if it were small and discrete, not for any other reason than I wouldn't want a big lump of in your face bling hanging off my jacket