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Time to rethink the working week do you think?

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Is it time now to think of reducing the average working week by a fifth and abolishing the sanctity of the weekends once and for all? The way in which the country doen't have the mass manufacturing base we once did, servicing our own needs is primary and job sharing looks to me to be a way forward there are 168 hours a week in which most full time work between 36 and 40 why not cut a fifth off and have people working 29 to 34 hours over a seven day cycle? makes sense too me.
I realise that there would have to be significant adjustments to go to a 4 day week. People would adapt though even if it meant a graduated 1/5th of income it be too awful to have more leisure time even if it was at the expense of quite so much income?
I really do think its time to think tank a new way in which we work. At the moment i see us falling into a bit of a 70's style rut in the country with no manufacturing or facilities based industries to sell off to fuel economic growth. Difficult times ahead.
If the rest of the world were to follow, I'd absolutely go for that.
The industrial revolution was earmarked to ease our burdens and afford us much more leisure time, sadly that message seemed to have got lost along the way. Although to be fair, we no longer send kids down mines and have them risking life and limb in factories....
But...
Once China and perhaps one day Africa ramp up to full production, I fear our working week will become worse. I truly believe the western world has had it damn good for some time, and is heading for a real shock in the not too distant future... when we simply cannot compete with China and Africa, and are forced to relax our working safeguards just to stay in business.
I hope I am wrong, I fear I am not.
Then again, after 5 days of lovemaking, we all get a weak end!
/TheKid
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is that the AnalogKid who used to be on DD's several hundred years ago?
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I have a 36hr week (officially) though spread throughout the week.
Probably the shortest hours I've ever worked... though feels like the longest I've ever worked when it catches up with me.
as for weekends... well, hens-teeth.
but this is what the area of work demands, and I don't resent it.
lp
It is indeed...
I am he
You must be an old timer like me then, that's some memory you have!
/TheKid
I can't say I'd notice the difference. In 30-odd years working life I don't think I've ever done a standard week. At the moment I work from home and couldn't tell you how many hours I work. I may wake up in the wee small hours and do a few hours until sleepy again. I may sleep in 'til 3pm and then work through until 6 am.
I think doing a standard week with or without the 20% cut in hours would drive me nuts.
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You must be an old timer like me then, that's some memory you have!
/TheKid
You have a distinctive name... I remember you from there. Few other members around here who you might recall from back then too!
As for a working week, I would love to have a 4 day a week. I cant see people wanting a drop in wages though Lost. I think people would find it hard to manage if that happened...
Although if its by choice as I did a few years ago I dropped my wages an hours so we could keep other staff on. I was happy with 4 days a week and expected my wages to drop so thats a different kettle a fish!
As for China, was it Nostradamus or Mother Shipton who said *yellow people will rule the world*???
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Sorry to be a party poooper but I would disagree. I think mentally you need a break from the workplace and ideally 2 full days for me does just that. You need quality time to yourself and your families.
Me personally? I'd rather shove 37 hours into fewer days and have longer off.
I couldn't afford 1/50th off my income let alone 1/5. I no longer get paid overtime, so of course I don;t work any. But I would rather work longer and get the money than work shorter for would I do with my time? Count my debts and rearrange the cardboard box I would be living in.
Losing weekends would screw up anyone who has kids at school. They would never see the kids and the kids would be at home alone up to 2 days a week.
I really can't see how it would work.
Sorry to sound negative on this, but more 'leisure' on less money just won't work for most people.
Mind you, thinking about it, 3 days off a week would mean I could get another job. biggrin
Quote by jaymar
Sorry to be a party poooper but I would disagree. I think mentally you need a break from the workplace and ideally 2 full days for me does just that. You need quality time to yourself and your families.
Me personally? I'd rather shove 37 hours into fewer days and have longer off.

I used to be able to do that when I worked full time, sometimes by Wednesday I had already worked all my 40hrs hours. But then I had sessions where I had to work at the end of the week so was pointless to try an do it all the time, I was salaried as well so didn't get overtime...
I do agree people need some quality time off. I believe we are an unhealthy nation because of the hours some work just to earn a good weekly/monthly wage!
I work 8-6 tues and thurs, wed and fri, then I alternate between a monday off one week, and working the next monday between 8- 1pm.
I work a 37.5 hr week, and it suits me to have the full or half day off a week, as i can do things like get to the bank, have a plumber in etc etc.
The longer days mean i can see clients before or after their work hours (albeit only twice a week) so it seems to suit everyone.
I'd say rather than change everyones working week, it would be better to have even more flexibility.
I would quite like shorter hours, but then i would have no money to do anything with the extra time!
maz x
I just want a 36 hour day so I can fit in everything I need to do and then have some sleep as well :cry:
i earn slightly above minimum wage so i cant afford to do less hours and have less pay
its a struggle at times anyway
and i love having 2 days off at the weekend when i know that most my loved ones have all or most of those days off too
At my company we didn't get a payrise one year but to compensate the company reduced our hours and introduced a half day on Fridays allowing us to finish from midday onwards.
To be honest this has turned Friday into a bit of a skive for most, it's certainly got a wind-down feel to it, partly amplified by a relaxed dress code.
It's a great compromise that went down very well with the staff and the next logical extension will be to add an extra hour to each working day Mon-Thursday and not work the Friday at all.
Lateral thinking is what is required but the mentality of some senior management is sadly lacking in more than a few cases as they believe it's an employee perk (even though the hours worked would still be the same and it would also cut the overtime bill slightly).
The reduced energy costs of having a 4 day week would be a major benefit to a company as would the reduction in the traffic volumes for other road users.
Ey Up Lostie,
there is so much to be said on this subject but I am afraid because of short sighted Government policy over the last 20 years or so the working week will get longer and whats more wages will reduce ...hardly the crystalisation of the dream of increased leisure.
We make precious little nowadays so add little value and our population is increasing ...I dont have to do the maths do I :!: :!: :!:
The age old question, nice one Losty :thumbup:
First I think you have to separate the working population into two groups, those who live to work, and those who work to live.
for many years I thought that this phenomenon was a fixed character trait and that never the twain shall meet, how wrong I was.
For many years I considered myself one of those who lived to work. I worked all the hours I possibly could for no extra pay as I was salaried. I went far and beyond the call of duty on a regular basis and a 18 hour day was the norm, I quite happily worked myself into a major heart attack at the age of 36 and was back at my post 5 months later.
Now, with hind sight and a lot of experience under my belt, I am one of those who works to live.
having analysed the above, I now realise why I lived to work, it had sod all to do with the 'so called' work ethic, it was because i was on a damned good salary, the bosses i worked for where a great bunch, I loved the work because it was different every day, never a dull moment and most importantly, my efforts were appreciated and my views were listened to and often acted upon. I was one happy bunny so gave the company 1000% and then some.
Since then I have worked for moronic minded managements who's main aim in life seems to be to make the workforce as miserable as possible, squeeze every hour they possibly can out of them and of course, pay as little as they can get away with.
I have found very few forward thinking companies in the UK. Let me give you an example, I worked for a company not so long ago where I quickly realised that I could do at least 50% of the required work from home via the internet. I then looked at the work my colleagues were doing and bingo, yes they too could have done the same. at the following management meeting I put this idea forward and was met with such hostility that you'd think I'd suggested hanging the entire management team.
Well I stuck to my guns, and after flattening all the lame excuses as for why this wasn't possible, bearing in mind the huge savings the company would have made shutting the premises down for half the week we finally came to the crux of the matter, lack of control and supervision rolleyes
Given half a chance I'm sure they would have loved to be allowed to walk up and down the isles whip in hand.
My work ethic has completely changed now, you pay me minimum wage, you get minimum effort, you make my workplace an unfriendly, un-bending, boring, not listening place to be, you get even less.
In a phrase, you reap what you sow, its time the British government, employers and some of the people got the hell out of the Victorian ere and took a look around.
There are several well worn phrases that never the less still hold true:..
You get what you pay for
Pay peanuts be prepared for monkeys ( i can be a monkey, easy)
One happy worker will do the work of 10 unhappy workers (been there done that)
ad infinitum
the other thing that really winds me up at the moment is the expectation of government and companies that both members of a family will work, I'm sorry, but f*ck off ....... call me old fashioned, but if my partner wants to stay at home and look after our children, thats a choice she should be allowed to make, do not set my wage /salary with the automatic assumption that my partner works too. Allow me to be the provider if thats how we choose to live.
:lol2: sorry Losty, it's turned into a bit of a rant and I still haven't answered the question. In short, yes you're right, we have lost our right to family time, we have lost our right to earn a fair days wage for a fair days work and in the year 2008, coming rapidly into the first decade of this new millennium we are becoming more and more starved of the very thing our fathers and grandfathers put and lost their lives on the line for, Liberty.
may whoever your god is help us all wave
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Quote by jaymar
Sorry to be a party poooper but I would disagree. I think mentally you need a break from the workplace and ideally 2 full days for me does just that. You need quality time to yourself and your families.
Me personally? I'd rather shove 37 hours into fewer days and have longer off.

That gets my vote as well :thumbup:
I love my weekends away from work too much to want to give them up...
Quote by Lost
Is it time now to think of reducing the average working week by a fifth and abolishing the sanctity of the weekends once and for all? The way in which the country doen't have the mass manufacturing base we once did, servicing our own needs is primary and job sharing looks to me to be a way forward there are 168 hours a week in which most full time work between 36 and 40 why not cut a fifth off and have people working 29 to 34 hours over a seven day cycle? makes sense too me.
I realise that there would have to be significant adjustments to go to a 4 day week. People would adapt though even if it meant a graduated 1/5th of income it be too awful to have more leisure time even if it was at the expense of quite so much income?
I really do think its time to think tank a new way in which we work. At the moment i see us falling into a bit of a 70's style rut in the country with no manufacturing or facilities based industries to sell off to fuel economic growth. Difficult times ahead.

no-one is every going to take the 1/5 off option unless you could afford to do it..... prices around you would still go up, but you have less money in your pocket... it would end up with people being sqeezed big time
the question is a good one to ask.... however the way you want to do it isn't the one we discuss at work...
some of us already do a fully flexible 7 day rota... I basically work one full weekend in 3 as it is, remember that most of those that work in retail or in sales probably already work part of the weekend as it is......
i work a 35 hr 5 day week........ there is a county in the state of michigan that at the moment is trailing so see whether a 36 hr 4 day week would work.... so doing a slightly longer day for the extra day off....
it would certain reduce the costs of transport to and from work... it would possible help with reduced childcare costs.... and i am sure spending an extra day with children can't be a bad thing...........
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At my company we didn't get a payrise one year but to compensate the company reduced our hours and introduced a half day on Fridays allowing us to finish from midday onwards.
To be honest this has turned Friday into a bit of a skive for most, it's certainly got a wind-down feel to it, partly amplified by a relaxed dress code.

We did that with a pay rise aswell when there was a national union drive for 35 hours we got it down to 37.
There was a big levy on union members in many unions for the strike action in support of this. We often ask what happened to this cash when it was over.
Anyway yes id like to put those 4 hours onto Monday to Thursday as Friday is a waste i use most of my 200 hours holiday per year taking the Friday off. But knowing our place most will then work Friday and Saturday as overtime
I to dont like the idea od working weekends
Good post, I have always though the balance was wrong! However, my suggestion would be 2 days at work and 5 days off, though pay rates would remain the same..........nice to dream isn't it!
While we are on with it, wouldn't it be nice if one month a year you got the top figure in your salary, rather than the net one.
Well back to work lol
As someone who has work weird hours, it is great. Time to shop, when there are no masses about. Long relaxing breaks, looking for something/one to do.
...but being trapped on 'shifts' that keep you apart can be a bit miserable.