Unbelievable!!!

14 Mar 2008

like nothing else!!!
There are so many things wrong in this country and this just tops the lot off really.
We have tens of thousands of homeless people, we have OAP's who cant afford to heat their homes during winter, we have families that live in total poverty and we have me & my wife who cant get our son into a school only 2 mins from our house as there isnt enough space....probably because the school cant afford anymore teachers.
And then you get MP's who can spunk cash away like its going out of fashion on, what i would class, as complete luxuries.
No wonder taxes are so high in this country if we have to fork out for these lying, thieving, decietful wankers to live in a life of luxury, it stinks to high heaven mad

14 Mar 2008

I 100% agree with you. It's a shocking state of affairs when there's so much poverty still around. The Government pledges this, pledges that, but still they're in smashing cars and living like royalty on expenses.
On another note, I've just been reading in our Chronicle about a 'local' council that has spent thousands on nice lunches etc., for corportate meetings, and I mean thousands.
Civic catering is an outrage, take your own god damn buttie Mr/Mrs Councillors, put the money elsewhere evil

14 Mar 2008

Quote by jaymar
On another note, I've just been reading in our Chronicle about a 'local' council that has spent thousands on nice lunches etc., for corportate meetings, and I mean thousands.
Civic catering is an outrage, take your own god damn buttie Mr/Mrs Councillors, put the money elsewhere

Some of these lunches bring big business into the area. This results in more revenue and jobs for the locals. To me, these are sometimes justified............not all the time though.
Dave_Notts

14 Mar 2008

The full "John Lewis" list:
Air conditioning unit - (buy a ceiling fan for fooks sake)
Bed - £1,
Bedside cabinet -
Bookcase/shelf -
Bookcase/cabinet -
Carpet - per square metre (cord costs about £3 per square metre...its only for your second home for crying out loud!!)
Carpet fitting - per square metre
Coffee maker/machine - (kettle = £15 from tesco)
Coffee table - (:shock smile

Dining armchairs (each) -
Dining chairs (each) -
Dining table -
Dishwasher -
Drawer chest (five) -
Dressing table -
Dry cleaning - both personal and household are allowable within reasonable limits
Food mixer - (:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:)
Freestanding mirror -
Fridge/freezer combi -
Gas cooker -
Hi-fi/stereo - (fook me...is it really nessesary for a top of the range hi-fi to listen to mozart?)
Installation of new bathroom - £6, (no need whatsoever)
Installation of new kitchen - £10, (see above)
Lamp table -
Nest of tables -
Recordable DVD -
Rugs (each) - (lmfao)
Shredder - (£20 from tesco)
Sideboard -
Suite of furniture - £2,
Television set - (:shock:)
Tumble dryer -
Underlay (basic) - per square metre
Wardrobe -
Washer dryer -
Washing machine -
Wooden flooring/carpets - per square metre
Workstation -
Personal items not allowed - for example: hairdryers or hairstylers, shavers, toothbrushes, toiletries and bathrobes.
Any form of payment protection or illness cover is not claimable from ACA in relation to mortgage payments.
In order for a member to claim the mortgage interest against his ACA home, his/her name must appear on the mortgage.
Garden furniture such as patio sets, loungers and barbecues are not allowed.
Basic garden maintenance is allowed, but plants, shrubs, flowers, hanging baskets or other decorations etc are not.

14 Mar 2008

:x "fu*king speechless" :x :x

14 Mar 2008

Quote by Lost
:x "fu*king speechless" :x :x

thats a first :P

14 Mar 2008

Quote by Mrcoupleseekfun
The full "John Lewis" list:
Air conditioning unit - (buy a ceiling fan for fooks sake)
Bed - £1,
Bedside cabinet -
Bookcase/shelf -
Bookcase/cabinet -
Carpet - per square metre (cord costs about £3 per square metre...its only for your second home for crying out loud!!)
Carpet fitting - per square metre
Coffee maker/machine - (kettle = £15 from tesco)
Coffee table - (:shock
Dining armchairs (each) -
Dining chairs (each) -
Dining table -
Dishwasher -
Drawer chest (five) -
Dressing table -
Dry cleaning - both personal and household are allowable within reasonable limits
Food mixer - (:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:)
Freestanding mirror -
Fridge/freezer combi -
Gas cooker -
Hi-fi/stereo - (fook me...is it really nessesary for a top of the range hi-fi to listen to mozart?)
Installation of new bathroom - £6, (no need whatsoever)
Installation of new kitchen - £10, (see above)
Lamp table -
Nest of tables -
Recordable DVD -
Rugs (each) - (lmfao)
Shredder - (£20 from tesco)
Sideboard -
Suite of furniture - £2,
Television set - (:shock:)
Tumble dryer -
Underlay (basic) - per square metre
Wardrobe -
Washer dryer -
Washing machine -
Wooden flooring/carpets - per square metre
Workstation -
Personal items not allowed - for example: hairdryers or hairstylers, shavers, toothbrushes, toiletries and bathrobes.
Any form of payment protection or illness cover is not claimable from ACA in relation to mortgage payments.
In order for a member to claim the mortgage interest against his ACA home, his/her name must appear on the mortgage.
Garden furniture such as patio sets, loungers and barbecues are not allowed.
Basic garden maintenance is allowed, but plants, shrubs, flowers, hanging baskets or other decorations etc are not.

could they not go to argos/ikea/wilkinsons/charity shop like i have to ?????

14 Mar 2008

Those who know me will know that I'm not often lost for words but guess what?......I am now :cry:
Thieving git's the lot of em. I'm seriously considering not paying any tax next time round and seeing what happens. In fact before I pay my next tax I want an invoice stating exactly how much of it is going where and then if I agree I will pay and if not I won't.
mad

14 Mar 2008

Could they not just make do with what they already have like the most of us?
If i want a new tele i'd have to save for months...i wonder how many of them have a new kitchen and/or bathroom fitted every year or 2?
Looking down that list the only thing i would class as an "essential" would be the bed, everything else is a luxury item that we, the taxpayer, should not have to pay for.

14 Mar 2008

In fact, i wonder how the goverment would react if i was to nip down to comet and buy myself a nice new 50" LCD tele, top notch surround sound system, a new washer, dryer, cooker then pop to MFI on the way home and order a nice new fitted kitchen.
...then send the friggin invoice to HM Treasury, c/o Gordon Brown, 10 Downing St.
Its the same as what all the MP's are doing in principle so why cant i do it? dunno

14 Mar 2008

what concerns me more is the big corporations where the real workers are more often than not overseas with poor working conditions and little to no pay. The managers and head of operations etc over here get paid an astronomical amount and have huge massive expense accounts that are not open for me to inspect because they are not governed by any freedom of information act.
The corporations have much more influence in what the consumer spends on what and how than my local MP. Because the corporations run the country with their advertising and multi nationals that have an insidious effect on our society and the choices that the consumer make in the clothes they buy, the things they do, the food they eat. It is the bosses in those that corporations that live in gated communities that make decisions about areas of society they don't even know about let alone live amongst.
I am more than happy for my money to be spent on people who are running the country in a way that I mostly agree with.
I only wish that I could view what the corporations are doing with their off shore tax avoidance and their expense accounts when people in this country and overseas can't live properly to pay for it all on wages that the corporations are benevolently handing out.
oh ffs ... mad

14 Mar 2008

I watched this on the telly last night! It is bad...I do think local councillors should have expenses, they do it voluntary (not paid yet are they? Know they was talk of it) and therefore should have food etc and they always support local businesses and helps the local economy!
What makes me more cross was where *some* of these MP's got their 2nd homes! City of Westminster where whole generations of families lived were evicted to be done up and sold onto MP's...... theyve spent years an years campaigning. Made me smile some of the things local people they did as group... made a few video's out of their work to get publicity. What I call real community action!
Some managed to keep their homes.... many didnt!
And as Splendid said.... people like First Bus, they call the shots not your local authority (much to their disgust)or central governnment. An they get away with it because they have no competition! mad

14 Mar 2008

Now... did you all honestly think that all the taxes that are paid from fuel, airports, income, road fund, congestion charges et al,were actually going to be used on the the various hospitals, schools, homeless etc, etc, did you????
One major thing to remember the next time you are listening to a politician make a promise....
If their lips were moving.. they were lying...

14 Mar 2008

I personally know of a MP I must say he has no second home and lives amongst us in a normal road. I have been to his home it is nice but nothing special. I believe in his polictal views on a lot of things, but I could not vote for him, as he doesnt have a voice he has to toe the party line, he went into politics to make changes for the local people and be our voice. He got there and found he is a tiny fish in a large ocean. Some of them are there to do good, It's the system that stinks.

14 Mar 2008

I was watching this on the news at 3am and it made my blood boil! mad

Their pay increase of % would see them go from £60,277 to £61,820 a year and there would also be an additional £650 per year "catch up" payment over the next three years. WTF????!!!!!! My payrise last year wasn't even WORTH £650 a year! but the best comment came from Harriet Harman ( bless her rolleyes

) who said:
"We shouldn't be awarding ourselves a bigger pay increase than nurses and the police "
Quite right too and while her comment is admirable, what sticks in my gullet is the fact that % of £60K is a fair bit more increase per £ than 2% of £17K PLUS I don't get gifted £20,000 to tart my 1st home up let alone the second one ffs! :x

14 Mar 2008

Posted in this thread http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewpost/2702981.html#2702981 this morning ;-)

14 Mar 2008

Quote by Dave__Notts

On another note, I've just been reading in our Chronicle about a 'local' council that has spent thousands on nice lunches etc., for corportate meetings, and I mean thousands.
Civic catering is an outrage, take your own god damn buttie Mr/Mrs Councillors, put the money elsewhere

Some of these lunches bring big business into the area. This results in more revenue and jobs for the locals. To me, these are sometimes justified............not all the time though.
Dave_Notts
I agree Dave, but come on.. there's a big difference between providing a few sandwiches and juice to great big platters of fruit, dim sums, dips, indian bites etc etc.
I know because I used to minute these type of meetings AND I was not even offered one single morsel.

14 Mar 2008

Quote by Mrcoupleseekfun
:x "fu*king speechless" :x :x

thats a first :P
Hey you! rotflmao

I'm probably giving myself a Hernia holding back the bile i want to shout about this. I totally agree with the stuff about corporations and stuff, but more so ,why? I don't know dunno

this just puts my teeth on edge

14 Mar 2008

Are you surprised?.
What happens when they are no longer MP's?, do they have to pay the money back?, thought not.

14 Mar 2008

I think that one of the problems is that MPs are actually not paid enough basic salary for the job they do AND the fact that for many it is not going to be a very long term career.
There should be an adequate basic to attract the right calibre of people and less, more open, expenses.
Plim rolleyes

14 Mar 2008

Quote by Plimboy
I think that one of the problems is that MPs are actually not paid enough basic salary for the job they do AND the fact that for many it is not going to be a very long term career.
There should be an adequate basic to attract the right calibre of people and less, more open, expenses.
Plim

Seems fair - so, shall we say, £30k plus one return rail fare to London a week and an extra 50k miles of fuel for their diesel Yaris? They'll need somewhere to stay - plenty of empty high rises in London - they can stay they. Just need a paint job and the lifts fixing.
If they want a job for life they should work for Network Rail or something and if they want to be rich - WTF are they doing representing us?

14 Mar 2008

Quote by jaymar

On another note, I've just been reading in our Chronicle about a 'local' council that has spent thousands on nice lunches etc., for corportate meetings, and I mean thousands.
Civic catering is an outrage, take your own god damn buttie Mr/Mrs Councillors, put the money elsewhere

Some of these lunches bring big business into the area. This results in more revenue and jobs for the locals. To me, these are sometimes justified............not all the time though.
Dave_Notts
I agree Dave, but come on.. there's a big difference between providing a few sandwiches and juice to great big platters of fruit, dim sums, dips, indian bites etc etc.
I know because I used to minute these type of meetings AND I was not even offered one single morsel.
I know that if a multi-million pound outfit wanted to set up in a County and had a choice of 8 district councils to build their big factory in......then I would be very upset they chose another district because our elected members had not "wooed" them with big platters of fruit, dim sums, dips, indian bites etc. I would want them to push the boat out, go on a trip overseas, twin a town and present them with a gold watch.....all paid out of my tax....just to ensure that my community will have that factory and have the added bonus of jobs and wads of business tax that would be put straight back into my community for libraries, community buses, recreational areas/parks, etc.
Not all the councillors are there on the take. Two that I know of include a fireman and a taxi driver. They do a full day and then turn up at 6 for the good and benefit of my community. To them I give credit where it is due. They have made a difference...........to those that elected them to do good for the community. If it means feeding them because they have not had time to even change after work then I for one would not begrudge them this.
Dave_Notts

14 Mar 2008

Am not really arsed.
Humans beings will always try to push the limit of what they can get away with.
If the people that don't like this had the chance to obtian the same things then the majority 99.9% would.
Yesterday on GMTV their was a Gentleman whom could of sued the NHS with the chance of getting one hung monster payout maybe millions.
Instead he didn't & has attempted to make sure others done get MRSA by paying for a DVD to be made that will educate staff about Washing Their Hands.
His reason was that people coming together instead of fighting creates progess.
Whislt he is one of the most noble people I've had the pleasure to have seen & I mean this with all my heart. If I was in his place I would of took the NHS to court & got every last million from them.
Life is too hard & we as a species all are attracted to beauty. This is why things with beauty are fought over, expensive & have high status.
It's in our nature, so the MP's just want the best & if they can get it then it's just natural.
Call it selfish but this is what we are...sophisticated animals.
We might have Playstation 3, Internet, Nokia Flash Green Bendy Plastic Mobile Phones, Sky Sports....
Yet we are still animals:

With money being more & more important year after year this only increases the competition or selfishness in Humans. As money means status, popularity & Sex.
This is why I don't want Children, becasue people are selfish anyways but the Money makes them not animals (what they already are) but 'Evil Monsters'.
Life is HELL.
The famous American Musician, Roy Ayers was asked on BBC Radio 1 show - 'Worldwide', what was the meaning behind his famous record:
'Everybody Loves The Sunshine'.
His exact answer was:
"Dick & Pussy". Beacuse in the end that's what it's ALL about. Nothing more nothing less.
Gilles Peterson might of be shocked but I agree.
So one of the few things that keeps me going is that.
This is why I work, dress well, be nice....
In the hope that I will find a mate & be happy...ohh get loads of Sex. lol

So let the MP's have their fun as the Mayans claim that the world will end in 4yrs time.
From,
Wunderhorse.

15 Mar 2008

Quote by Wunderhorse
Am not really arsed.
Humans beings will always try to push the limit of what they can get away with.
If the people that don't like this had the chance to obtian the same things then the majority 99.9% would.
Yesterday on GMTV their was a Gentleman whom could of sued the NHS with the chance of getting one hung monster payout maybe millions.
Instead he didn't & has attempted to make sure others done get MRSA by paying for a DVD to be made that will educate staff about Washing Their Hands.
His reason was that people coming together instead of fighting creates progess.
Whislt he is one of the most noble people I've had the pleasure to have seen & I mean this with all my heart. If I was in his place I would of took the NHS to court & got every last million from them.
Life is too hard & we as a species all are attracted to beauty. This is why things with beauty are fought over, expensive & have high status.
It's in our nature, so the MP's just want the best & if they can get it then it's just natural.
Call it selfish but this is what we are...sophisticated animals.
Yet we are still animals:
claim
From,
Wunderhorse.

I think you are or you wouldn't have gone to so much trouble to reply with such a detailed honest post! wink

15 Mar 2008

Quote by Dave__Notts

On another note, I've just been reading in our Chronicle about a 'local' council that has spent thousands on nice lunches etc., for corportate meetings, and I mean thousands.
Civic catering is an outrage, take your own god damn buttie Mr/Mrs Councillors, put the money elsewhere

Some of these lunches bring big business into the area. This results in more revenue and jobs for the locals. To me, these are sometimes justified............not all the time though.
Dave_Notts
I agree Dave, but come on.. there's a big difference between providing a few sandwiches and juice to great big platters of fruit, dim sums, dips, indian bites etc etc.
I know because I used to minute these type of meetings AND I was not even offered one single morsel.
I know that if a multi-million pound outfit wanted to set up in a County and had a choice of 8 district councils to build their big factory in......then I would be very upset they chose another district because our elected members had not "wooed" them with big platters of fruit, dim sums, dips, indian bites etc. I would want them to push the boat out, go on a trip overseas, twin a town and present them with a gold watch.....all paid out of my tax....just to ensure that my community will have that factory and have the added bonus of jobs and wads of business tax that would be put straight back into my community for libraries, community buses, recreational areas/parks, etc.
Not all the councillors are there on the take. Two that I know of include a fireman and a taxi driver. They do a full day and then turn up at 6 for the good and benefit of my community. To them I give credit where it is due. They have made a difference...........to those that elected them to do good for the community. If it means feeding them because they have not had time to even change after work then I for one would not begrudge them this.
Dave_Notts
I'm not going to get into an argument with you.. even if you're looking for one, simple reason I like and respect you... but I'm talking about the silly little 1/2 hour meetings that are quite often trivial but still get the catering.. you are probably talking about something on a grander scale.
We'll leave it at that. kiss

(you did save my hat after all wink

)

15 Mar 2008

have read this and only have 1 question
cant we aspire to better ourselves? and lift ourselves out of the proerbial ratrace?
do the right thing because it is right not because we benifit!!
then we all win!!!!!!

15 Mar 2008

Quote by Willwill69u
have read this and only have 1 question
cant we aspire to better ourselves? and lift ourselves out of the proerbial ratrace?
do the right thing because it is right not because we benifit!!
then we all win!!!!!!

I think we can Will. I am an eternal optimist, though there are some awful things in this world, And without doubt some to come, with every decade that goes by I think that the human race becomes less animalistic. As wunderhorse states, a fine read of a post too :thumbup: We are all animals. The quote re:- Dick and Pussy may also be true. We are however different to other animals I believe.
A while ago a topic about how sex was evolving in humans was explored. It was an interesting read too. What i believe is that sex is becoming as the years go by less physical and more cerebral. The human mind can develop fantastic ways of extracting pleasure out of what ostensibly may not really be that pleasurable.
We see a lot of diversity in here especially. People getting off on what too others is clearly not comprehensible. Being humans though with all our particular peccadillo's maybe. we can allow others to do this without doubting the pleasure another feels.
Who knows with the rate of science and invention - how long now before we procreate without the need of human interaction dunno

Maybe in 500 years all sex will be in the head? Get in now while you can folks lol

15 Mar 2008

Shredder -
says it all doesnt it???
well it does to me anyway.

15 Mar 2008

Quote by jaymar

On another note, I've just been reading in our Chronicle about a 'local' council that has spent thousands on nice lunches etc., for corportate meetings, and I mean thousands.
Civic catering is an outrage, take your own god damn buttie Mr/Mrs Councillors, put the money elsewhere

Some of these lunches bring big business into the area. This results in more revenue and jobs for the locals. To me, these are sometimes justified............not all the time though.
Dave_Notts
I agree Dave, but come on.. there's a big difference between providing a few sandwiches and juice to great big platters of fruit, dim sums, dips, indian bites etc etc.
I know because I used to minute these type of meetings AND I was not even offered one single morsel.
Mar, its *normally* good practice to provide a cross section of food to suit different cultures/diets (its always built into most organisations budgets under equal opps). And for councillors the majority of meetings are in the evening to fit in with local residents etc many come straight from work.
If I was a councillor and volunteering my time, or attending a meeting after an already full days work (like many do)I would expect (to a point) something to be provided. Me personally, Im happy with a sandwich but if I didnt know who was attending a meeting that I was organising, I would provide someting similar to what you mentioned. It doesnt have to be expensive.... (I know some go over the top though).
I did smile a few years ago when I went a meeting with few councillors and local bigwigs. As the only white person attending, the person who organised the food was really chuffed with themselves when they presented me with a *white ham sandwich* lol

It had pride of place in the middle of a lovely homemade spread of Asian food! I was tickled by it...and we all learnt something from it smile

:)

15 Mar 2008

the media shitstorm on what MPs can claim for is grossly misleading. They 'may claim up to 750 quid for a telly or whatever if they wish, but that telly comes out of a capped 22K a year to maintain a second home in London. It's not like they can just submit receipts for every item on the list and have it payed for by taxpayers. it's all within a 22K budget.
This list defines a maximum sum for each item, but when you consider that flats in Westminster might cost 4 - 500 quid a week in rent, the 22K a year suddenly looks a whole lot less. it's a complete non-story IMO.
neil x x x ;)