Well, some of you may or may not know that I`ve found myself in the unfortunate position of having to sign on. Today was the first time I had to go in for my fortnightly declaration. I arrived, somewhat nervous because I hadn`t quite stuck to the agreement to the letter, (I`ve not being applying for just any old job as I`d first promised in my moment of desperation, but have been applying for more relevant positions)
I went in, clutching my booklet, and was confronted by three words.
`Please sign here`
so I signed, and continued to remain seated not realising that my meeting had ended. I said somewhat hopefully, `I have a job interview on Friday`. He didn`t even look up, he just said, `Good`.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think there is something wrong with this picture?!
Hopefully this will be the first and last time I need to go in, but anytime I wish to become comfortable on the dole (which I won`t), I`d say I`ve just been given the green light!
Time to catch up on some sleep.
Later
Venusxxx
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Sex God
Hardly encourageing of him to not look up and only say 'good'. 
Well, I'm chuffed for you having a job interview on Friday!
I wish you the best of luck
Well, I'm chuffed for you having a job interview on Friday!
I wish you the best of luck
I found the whole signing on procedure, etc, to be utterly demoralising and depressing. It just made being out of work harder to deal with. You're under enough self imposed preassure to get work without having the spanish inquisition when you go to sign on. Oh, so, yeah, it is odd you weren't quizzed. I was. You should also be permitted to find a job within your chosen area then if you have no luck after a few weeks, they will tell you to be less choosy.
Hope you find work soon, good luck!
Hope you find work soon, good luck!
I would like to offer a little bit of advice, F*** them (mods i promise not to do this again its just i feel very strongly about this). I had to sign on for a short period in 2003 and i was made to feel like the dirtiest scummiest person on earth. I was treated as if i had just murdered someone. There is a massive difference between someone who is unfortunate enough to not have a job and are willing to work and someone who has no intention of ever finding a job. Dont let them drag you down.
Theres no wonder the countries in a mess if the people employed to help you to get a job cant be arsed to actually help you or offer any encouragement.
I then had to sign on for benefit when i damaged my knee and was on crutches for 3 months. They even questioned this and made me go to see a seperate doctor even though the surgeon who operated on me is one of the best in his field and highly respected. Then they attempted to make me go in and sign on grr
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Congratulations on your interview and i wish you all the best.
Theres no wonder the countries in a mess if the people employed to help you to get a job cant be arsed to actually help you or offer any encouragement.
I then had to sign on for benefit when i damaged my knee and was on crutches for 3 months. They even questioned this and made me go to see a seperate doctor even though the surgeon who operated on me is one of the best in his field and highly respected. Then they attempted to make me go in and sign on grr
Rant over
Congratulations on your interview and i wish you all the best.
Sex God
Congratulations on the interview. It seems harder to even get to this stage nowadays.
Wishing you all the best.
G x
Wishing you all the best.
G x
Mod
I echo all the sentiments above. Best of luck on the interview and come back and tell us when you start!! 
Mal
Mal
Congrats on the interview and goodluck Venus. I know what you mean about the lack of interest.
I'm unemployed at the moment, so it's the big Job Hunt for me too. I'm too scared to sign on though. It's such a slippery slop and I've seen the damage it's done to my sister. We actually haven't spoken in almost five years because of it. You know how on a council estate you get the families who really give a damn, and then the families who don't, wild kids, garbage on the lawn kinda thing? That's the one. She lost motivation.
The benefit system has it's place, but it does leave room for change. Perhaps a 6 month unemployment entitlement would be motivation enough for most people to take a position which they believe is beneath their station/status? At least they'll be self supporting and less of a burden on the tax payer and state. A close friend of mine has been looking to come off the unemployment line now that she only has one child at home in full time education, but after a number of interviews and eventually a job offer it worked out that she'd be (£10) a week worse off than she is now, so she's decided it's not worth it. I get where she's coming from. But at the same time it's the government who has demotived her. She'd have taken the job if she knew her benefits where soon to end. That's motivation enough to accept a job, isn't it?
Yes, there are people on full-time benefits due to extenuating circumstances, but I'm talking about healthy, whole-bodied people.
A benefit system that both assited, motivates, and supports those in temperary dire straights and those in genuine need would be less scarey for me.
I'm unemployed at the moment, so it's the big Job Hunt for me too. I'm too scared to sign on though. It's such a slippery slop and I've seen the damage it's done to my sister. We actually haven't spoken in almost five years because of it. You know how on a council estate you get the families who really give a damn, and then the families who don't, wild kids, garbage on the lawn kinda thing? That's the one. She lost motivation.
The benefit system has it's place, but it does leave room for change. Perhaps a 6 month unemployment entitlement would be motivation enough for most people to take a position which they believe is beneath their station/status? At least they'll be self supporting and less of a burden on the tax payer and state. A close friend of mine has been looking to come off the unemployment line now that she only has one child at home in full time education, but after a number of interviews and eventually a job offer it worked out that she'd be (£10) a week worse off than she is now, so she's decided it's not worth it. I get where she's coming from. But at the same time it's the government who has demotived her. She'd have taken the job if she knew her benefits where soon to end. That's motivation enough to accept a job, isn't it?
Yes, there are people on full-time benefits due to extenuating circumstances, but I'm talking about healthy, whole-bodied people.
A benefit system that both assited, motivates, and supports those in temperary dire straights and those in genuine need would be less scarey for me.
Hi rudolph uk, we have encountered the same problem as you. The social , in their wisdom, stopped hubbys benefit on the advice of their doctor, because........He has a dog. ( WELL YOU NEED A DOG TO GO DOGGING, DONT YOU!!!!!) This was also against the advice of one of our areas top orthopaedic surgeons, we sympathise with you , and we cant wait for the day our GP finds him fit for work, then we wont have to be demoralised every week by having to sit in the social for a counter payment with drunks and druggies because the powers that be have yet again forgotten to send out our weekly giro. :twisted:
Sex God
Jon was made redundant several months ago and after his initial interview at the Job Centre, he refused to go back and *sign on*.
His was a genuine case and although perfectly entitled to make a claim for support, we agreed that we would rather do without their help and at least retain some dignity.
Luckily he found another job within a few weeks, but what if he hadn't? He would have been forced to sign on at some point.
He went straight into the armed forces after leaving school, where he served 10 years. Got a job as soon as he left and had never been out of work until last summer. That makes a total of 27 years in full and continuous employment.
He was made to feel cheap, dirty and useless at the JC and grilled about why it was him that was made redundant. Why are you out of work? Have you looked for another job?!!! :!:
Even sitting in the waiting room he said it made him feel ashamed and the attiutde of the staff was abysmal to say the least
I understand the staff must get thoroughly disheartened with their job, seeing the same people week in week out, but surely if they can't spot the people who really do want to get back to work, and help them, I feel they should give up their jobs and do something else :evil:
The whole system is a sham. Genuine people don't get any help and are tarred with the same brush as the lazy good-for-nothings that have never, or will never work and contribute to society in a positive way.
How do people get away with drawing money each week for years on end? People like a guy near us. Never worked legally since he left school over 20 years ago. Draws various benefits, including disability benefit for a supposed *bad back* and then goes off to work with his brother every day as a builders labourer :!:
The benefit system is a balls-up and sadly it is now too late to do anything about it, when half the country don't know any other way to survive
The best of luck, Venus for your interview on Friday. Fingers crossed for you
Tracy-Jayne
His was a genuine case and although perfectly entitled to make a claim for support, we agreed that we would rather do without their help and at least retain some dignity.
Luckily he found another job within a few weeks, but what if he hadn't? He would have been forced to sign on at some point.
He went straight into the armed forces after leaving school, where he served 10 years. Got a job as soon as he left and had never been out of work until last summer. That makes a total of 27 years in full and continuous employment.
He was made to feel cheap, dirty and useless at the JC and grilled about why it was him that was made redundant. Why are you out of work? Have you looked for another job?!!! :!:
Even sitting in the waiting room he said it made him feel ashamed and the attiutde of the staff was abysmal to say the least
I understand the staff must get thoroughly disheartened with their job, seeing the same people week in week out, but surely if they can't spot the people who really do want to get back to work, and help them, I feel they should give up their jobs and do something else :evil:
The whole system is a sham. Genuine people don't get any help and are tarred with the same brush as the lazy good-for-nothings that have never, or will never work and contribute to society in a positive way.
How do people get away with drawing money each week for years on end? People like a guy near us. Never worked legally since he left school over 20 years ago. Draws various benefits, including disability benefit for a supposed *bad back* and then goes off to work with his brother every day as a builders labourer :!:
The benefit system is a balls-up and sadly it is now too late to do anything about it, when half the country don't know any other way to survive
The best of luck, Venus for your interview on Friday. Fingers crossed for you
Tracy-Jayne
Quote by Libra-Love
A close friend of mine has been looking to come off the unemployment line now that she only has one child at home in full time education, but after a number of interviews and eventually a job offer it worked out that she'd be (£10) a week worse off than she is now, so she's decided it's not worth it. I get where she's coming from. But at the same time it's the government who has demotived her. She'd have taken the job if she knew her benefits where soon to end. That's motivation enough to accept a job, isn't it?
I'm not the argumentative sort but I do have to say this. Whichever benefit your friend is on is the legal minimum amount the law says your friend needs to live on in her circumstances, so for her not to accept the £10 less I can understand. Now if your friends wages were to be subsidised by the government due to having a child is another argument. Most people on benefits do find life tough at times, this time of year would probably be a good example and if life is tough now, then to receive less money, well it's not going to get easier. Also consider the fact that the hours your friend would be working and then paying tax to subsidise other peoples benefits and your friend being worse off than them would be disheartening to say the least.
Anyway like I said I'm not argumentative it's just my opinion so I hope I have not offended anyone
Orgasminator
Quote by RedHot
How do people get away with drawing money each week for years on end? People like a guy near us. Never worked legally since he left school over 20 years ago. Draws various benefits, including disability benefit for a supposed *bad back* and then goes off to work with his brother every day as a builders labourer :!:
Tracy-Jayne
you know you can get hundreds of pounds reward for mentioning that to them, don't you?
Libra, love the idea of the 6 month thing, ever thought about becoming an MP? I'd vote for you with a policy like that!
The benefit system,in a perfect world,should provide support and assistance for people who for whatever reason are unable to support themsleves to a basic level.
Of course there are workshy people,there always have been and you find them in ant society throughout the world.
But the benefit system is about more than the so called workshy,its about genuinly sick and disabled people,vulnerable children and pensioners and those who genuinlt cant help them selves.
There is a hidden underclass of mentally disrurbed people whi have been released into care in the community who need protection.
Of course we can all name a disabled person who works,someone who has no interest in work,a scrounging asylum seeker,a feckless single mum,but i believe they are an exception and this shouldnt lead to vigilantes shopping people for a few hunderd quid.
In fact im sure the goverment and authories are well aware of the situation regarding Disability people onto this particular benefit has been largely responsible for the success of this tory goverment in bringing down the unemployment rate
Of course there are workshy people,there always have been and you find them in ant society throughout the world.
But the benefit system is about more than the so called workshy,its about genuinly sick and disabled people,vulnerable children and pensioners and those who genuinlt cant help them selves.
There is a hidden underclass of mentally disrurbed people whi have been released into care in the community who need protection.
Of course we can all name a disabled person who works,someone who has no interest in work,a scrounging asylum seeker,a feckless single mum,but i believe they are an exception and this shouldnt lead to vigilantes shopping people for a few hunderd quid.
In fact im sure the goverment and authories are well aware of the situation regarding Disability people onto this particular benefit has been largely responsible for the success of this tory goverment in bringing down the unemployment rate
Quote by lucyuktv2
How do people get away with drawing money each week for years on end? People like a guy near us. Never worked legally since he left school over 20 years ago. Draws various benefits, including disability benefit for a supposed *bad back* and then goes off to work with his brother every day as a builders labourer :!:
Tracy-Jayne
you know you can get hundreds of pounds reward for mentioning that to them, don't you?
Libra, love the idea of the 6 month thing, ever thought about becoming an MP? I'd vote for you with a policy like that!
Thats sure you are suggesting people should grass people up for the good of society not get their grubby mitts on a few hundred quid.
Sex God
Venus,
Luckily I have never been in the position of being a "client" of the JobCentre, but I know loads of people who have. Apprently best thing you can do when going to the JobCentre is take in a clipboard with a pad of paper on it.
First ask your JobCentre person their name. Write it down. Ask if they don't mind you taking notes, they will start to look worried at this point!! If they give a statement such as "I think your bad leg would allow you to be a deep-sea diver, have you applied for that job?", ask what qualifications they have to make that statement. If they qoute a rule ask them which paragraph, sub-paragraph, subsection, etc they are refering to. Make sure you write everything down.
Apparently they get undercover investigators checking on them, rather like mystery shoppers, by now they will be breaking out in a real sweat and you might find you are ushered out of the door real quick.
Best of luck with the interview, John
Luckily I have never been in the position of being a "client" of the JobCentre, but I know loads of people who have. Apprently best thing you can do when going to the JobCentre is take in a clipboard with a pad of paper on it.
First ask your JobCentre person their name. Write it down. Ask if they don't mind you taking notes, they will start to look worried at this point!! If they give a statement such as "I think your bad leg would allow you to be a deep-sea diver, have you applied for that job?", ask what qualifications they have to make that statement. If they qoute a rule ask them which paragraph, sub-paragraph, subsection, etc they are refering to. Make sure you write everything down.
Apparently they get undercover investigators checking on them, rather like mystery shoppers, by now they will be breaking out in a real sweat and you might find you are ushered out of the door real quick.
Best of luck with the interview, John
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Libra, love the idea of the 6 month thing, ever thought about becoming an MP? I'd vote for you with a policy like that!
In SA you have to have worked and contributed toward unemployement benefits for a minimum of 6 months before you are entitled to them. And then should you find yourself unemployed they pay you 45% of your last wage for 6 months then you're out on your own.
Been there done that.
Quote by Libra-Love
Libra, love the idea of the 6 month thing, ever thought about becoming an MP? I'd vote for you with a policy like that!
In SA you have to have worked and contributed toward unemployement benefits for a minimum of 6 months before you are entitled to them. And then should you find yourself unemployed they pay you 45% of your last wage for 6 months then you're out on your own.
Been there done that.
Unemployment benefit in this country is paid on a contibutions basis and for a limited ammout of the contributions and after the stipulated period a claimant is entitled to a lesser rate of Income support
Quote by zorbotic
Unemployment benefit in this country is paid on a contibutions basis and for a limited ammout of the contributions and after the stipulated period a claimant is entitled to a lesser rate of Income support
And the benefit system is open to abuse.
Hey, the disability office (not for me, but my kid) gave mea list of benefits I'm entitle to and valid reasons why I can't work :shock:
But I'm in no mood to debate this one out with you. All I'm saying is it's far too easy to stay at home and collect benefits.
Venus,
I have been unemployed far more often in my career than I would like (never would be ideal
), & something I hate more than any other is having to sign on. Being reasonably intelligent (I hope 
), it is really irritating to be spoken down to by staff, many of whom do a poor job, as part of a system which is flawed in many respects.
When I first signed on some time ago I had just under the maximum allowed savings of 8000 quid, but that is now mostly gone. It really annoys me that all the effort I put into saving that money has been wasted, while others who didn't bother to save have no problem at all. I realise that they have to have some sort of limit on savings, but that is one way in which I have been screwed.
And one of the joys is having to prove what my savings are. I print off statements, take them along to the JC.... & six weeks later I hear that the docs have been lost.... so I print off the statements again.... :x
The relationship that you have with the JC is, in my view, designed to underline the fact that you have no status. You turn up when they say, & of course it is up to them if they keep you waiting. The JC manager kept me waiting 20 mins for a meeting once, & looked highly amused when I mentioned it. So the next time I signed on, the clerk asked me why I was 20 mins late. When I told him he nearly exploded. Talk to your boss I said . I REALLY enjoyed THAT appointment. :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
I have been unemployed far more often in my career than I would like (never would be ideal
), & something I hate more than any other is having to sign on. Being reasonably intelligent (I hope ), it is really irritating to be spoken down to by staff, many of whom do a poor job, as part of a system which is flawed in many respects.When I first signed on some time ago I had just under the maximum allowed savings of 8000 quid, but that is now mostly gone. It really annoys me that all the effort I put into saving that money has been wasted, while others who didn't bother to save have no problem at all. I realise that they have to have some sort of limit on savings, but that is one way in which I have been screwed.
And one of the joys is having to prove what my savings are. I print off statements, take them along to the JC.... & six weeks later I hear that the docs have been lost.... so I print off the statements again.... :x
The relationship that you have with the JC is, in my view, designed to underline the fact that you have no status. You turn up when they say, & of course it is up to them if they keep you waiting. The JC manager kept me waiting 20 mins for a meeting once, & looked highly amused when I mentioned it. So the next time I signed on, the clerk asked me why I was 20 mins late. When I told him he nearly exploded. Talk to your boss I said
. I REALLY enjoyed THAT appointment. :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: Quote by Libra-Love
Unemployment benefit in this country is paid on a contibutions basis and for a limited ammout of the contributions and after the stipulated period a claimant is entitled to a lesser rate of Income support
And the benefit system is open to abuse.
Hey, the disability office (not for me, but my kid) gave mea list of benefits I'm entitle to and valid reasons why I can't work :shock:
But I'm in no mood to debate this one out with you. All I'm saying is it's far too easy to stay at home and collect benefits.
Why shouldnt someone be told about a benefit they are ENTITLED to?
Differences of opinion are fine,,,,,,,,i agree to disagree.
Oh! Thankyou for such support in me finding work! That was unexpected.
The reason I posted was because I was still reeling from the lack of questions asked. I have been in this position before, but not for very long, and my memory of it was much different than the experiance I had today. I was braced for the third degree, I received none. Although I strongly disagree with de-humanising people when asking about their job seach, by the same token I feel it is important for the Job Center to be made aware that the person they are giving government money to is actively seeking work, this was not the experiance I received today. There are approaches to asking without making a person feel like a second class citizen, but questions do need to be asked inorder to determine those who aren`t seeking work, and then in an ideal world, determine why, and offer more support for those who are genuinely demoralised, I have had personal experiance of someone who was unemployed for years who suffered from the most abject depression.
Our position was that Mars had to quit work because his wage was so unreliable, we`d lost our transport for him to be able to get to work, and when he needed time off to deal with family issues (disabled mum), bereavement (interestingly when he told them he was entitled to bereavement leave, their reply was `yes you are, but we are not entitled to pay you for it!`), or when he was sick, or I was very sick (earlier this year) his job offered no security whatsoever, in fact they screwed him over at every turn, despite the fact he`s been with them for over four years. When we made the decision to swap roles, I went out looking for work like a woman possessed, but was unfortunately unable to find work before our debts became so bad we eventually ended up in court for eviction. In the end I made the very difficult decision of us him quitting and us claiming Unemployment whilst I looked for work so we could stablise our rent with housing benefit. There was a gap beween wage and claiming, because I was so confident one of my agencies would find me work I stupidly put it off! It was literally either that or lose the house. Even the woman from the CAB advised us to stay on the dole, which of course I have no intention of doing, I have a career I want to embark on, but when somebody in that position understood our circumstances, and advised us to stayon the dole, then you know something is really fucked up with the system.
I really, really did hope I would be able to avoid this route, and if events had been a couple of months slower, we might have been able to, but ho hum, such is life! The position I have applied for offers decent sick pay, child-care benefits, and other support which if our year turns out anything like 2004 did, will give us the security we need not to fall foul of our court order. We are back in court in Feb, and need to prove that we have stabalised our rent, which we have managed to do by going on the dole , we were lucky in the fact that the judge understood how this last year has been for us, and gave us a little more time.
Anyway, the reason I write the above is NOT because I am after sympathy, it`s because after reading some of the above posts, I felt rather obliged to justify why we chose to become unemployed. I`m not proud of having to take that route, but it could very well be that my time on the dole only amounts to one month after Friday! :bounce:
But as far as the house goes, it`s a huge gamble, because I don`t know how the swap from Unemployment to working a week/month in hand is going to effect us whilst we are in the process of such a fine balance with the court, but this is a golden opportunity , and could go a long way toward us working for a living instead of working for an existance.
Venusxxx
The reason I posted was because I was still reeling from the lack of questions asked. I have been in this position before, but not for very long, and my memory of it was much different than the experiance I had today. I was braced for the third degree, I received none. Although I strongly disagree with de-humanising people when asking about their job seach, by the same token I feel it is important for the Job Center to be made aware that the person they are giving government money to is actively seeking work, this was not the experiance I received today. There are approaches to asking without making a person feel like a second class citizen, but questions do need to be asked inorder to determine those who aren`t seeking work, and then in an ideal world, determine why, and offer more support for those who are genuinely demoralised, I have had personal experiance of someone who was unemployed for years who suffered from the most abject depression.
Our position was that Mars had to quit work because his wage was so unreliable, we`d lost our transport for him to be able to get to work, and when he needed time off to deal with family issues (disabled mum), bereavement (interestingly when he told them he was entitled to bereavement leave, their reply was `yes you are, but we are not entitled to pay you for it!`), or when he was sick, or I was very sick (earlier this year) his job offered no security whatsoever, in fact they screwed him over at every turn, despite the fact he`s been with them for over four years. When we made the decision to swap roles, I went out looking for work like a woman possessed, but was unfortunately unable to find work before our debts became so bad we eventually ended up in court for eviction. In the end I made the very difficult decision of us him quitting and us claiming Unemployment whilst I looked for work so we could stablise our rent with housing benefit. There was a gap beween wage and claiming, because I was so confident one of my agencies would find me work I stupidly put it off! It was literally either that or lose the house. Even the woman from the CAB advised us to stay on the dole, which of course I have no intention of doing, I have a career I want to embark on, but when somebody in that position understood our circumstances, and advised us to stayon the dole, then you know something is really fucked up with the system.
I really, really did hope I would be able to avoid this route, and if events had been a couple of months slower, we might have been able to, but ho hum, such is life! The position I have applied for offers decent sick pay, child-care benefits, and other support which if our year turns out anything like 2004 did, will give us the security we need not to fall foul of our court order. We are back in court in Feb, and need to prove that we have stabalised our rent, which we have managed to do by going on the dole
, we were lucky in the fact that the judge understood how this last year has been for us, and gave us a little more time.Anyway, the reason I write the above is NOT because I am after sympathy, it`s because after reading some of the above posts, I felt rather obliged to justify why we chose to become unemployed. I`m not proud of having to take that route, but it could very well be that my time on the dole only amounts to one month after Friday! :bounce:
But as far as the house goes, it`s a huge gamble, because I don`t know how the swap from Unemployment to working a week/month in hand is going to effect us whilst we are in the process of such a fine balance with the court, but this is a golden opportunity , and could go a long way toward us working for a living instead of working for an existance.
Venusxxx
Sex God
Quote by zorbotic
Unemployment benefit in this country is paid on a contibutions basis and for a limited ammout of the contributions and after the stipulated period a claimant is entitled to a lesser rate of Income support
And the benefit system is open to abuse.
Hey, the disability office (not for me, but my kid) gave mea list of benefits I'm entitle to and valid reasons why I can't work :shock:
But I'm in no mood to debate this one out with you. All I'm saying is it's far too easy to stay at home and collect benefits.
Why shouldnt someone be told about a benefit they are ENTITLED to?
Differences of opinion are fine,,,,,,,,i agree to i found that out ,i have a older autistic son and never got anything for him till he was 15 ,when he turned 16 there was so many things we lost out with,specailly some certain grants they lose out on when they reach a certain age,we once were told we were entitled to a new washer and tumble dryer ,great so the ones we had still had a extended garantee on them,so we gave them away to some one else who had not much ,only to find out after a year that with son turning 16 the group that we got them off would garantee them at that age......... the ones wegave away are still going lol .......
Quote by cowboy
HI libra love i see from your other posts your are unemployed are you bucking the so called system as i have only now found myself on the sick after having worked constantly since leaving school. Many of us are genuine cases , but how many more abuse the system?
Not bucking the system. If you read what I wrote you'll see I said I'm NOT CLAIMING.
But hey, I'm just a guest in this country. Far be it for me to have an opinion.
I still think there are far to many lazy swines out there who do buck the system. And yes, they do it because they can. And that in itself causes problems for genuine cases.
nuff said!
Quote by zorbotic
Why shouldnt someone be told about a benefit they are ENTITLED to?
Differences of opinion are fine,,,,,,,,i agree to disagree.
If they'd just told me what I'm entitled to that would have been fine. But they assumed I was quite happy to rely on the state to raise my family financially. You don't find a problem with that?
Orgasminator
Quote by zorbotic
The benefit system,in a perfect world,should provide support and assistance for people who for whatever reason are unable to support themsleves to a basic level.
Of course there are workshy people,there always have been and you find them in ant society throughout the world.
But the benefit system is about more than the so called workshy,its about genuinly sick and disabled people,vulnerable children and pensioners and those who genuinlt cant help them selves.
There is a hidden underclass of mentally disrurbed people whi have been released into care in the community who need protection.
Of course we can all name a disabled person who works,someone who has no interest in work,a scrounging asylum seeker,a feckless single mum,but i believe they are an exception and this shouldnt lead to vigilantes shopping people for a few hunderd quid.
In fact im sure the goverment and authories are well aware of the situation regarding Disability people onto this particular benefit has been largely responsible for the success of this tory goverment in bringing down the unemployment rate
I didn't mean it that way, just that if this particular person is taking the piss that there is a way to stop it, stop getting annoyed about it, and get a free shopping trip too
the government is labour by the way!!
Libra, I think that's what they meant by buck the trend, that you weren't claiming :cheers:
