Was the bad guy in "Twelve Monkeys" really bad?

22 Nov 2004

I've said for a long time that there are already too many people on this planet... :shock:
Stumbled across this page today and wanted to share smile

Very long, but once I started reading, I was hooked (I ignored the few blatant product placements, quite easy to do - and they don't really detract from the main message).

(warning: if you have a sensitive stomach then you may get :scared:. But then, if that's so, you're probably the type that can benefit most from what's being suggested... )

Lifeâ€™s link to the natural environment â€“ its adaptation to sunlight, air, and food â€“ spans 2.5 billion years by theoretical evolutionary estimates. The use of heat on foods is relatively recent, and the use of processed foods and synthetic chemicals only has become widespread in this century. It is therefore unlikely that adaptation to these substances has occurred. Could we now be experiencing a culling in the form of chronic nutritional deficiency and toxicities manifest in immune failure and degenerative disease?

Going to talk to Gollum now to see if I can corner the market on raw fish :lickface:
dunno

Someone tell me that the powers that be know all about all this stuff, and they're not just treating us all as consumers, coz that's what I feel like I'm treated as.
Why do I have Brian (from "The Life of Brian") in my head saying "don't let anyone tell you what to do, because, because..."?

22 Nov 2004

Sometimes I wonder if drinking instant white tea is good for me... then I just think that surely the manufactureres have looked into this on my behalf before selling it... rather than just being the cowboy car salesmen of the instant drink world.!
Look at it this way... something eventually has to kill you... and it might even be that raw and untreated fish you bought whilst trying not to be the consumor we all are...
Still the alternative to all these well prepaired foods is to just go back to being a hunter gatherer eating whatever you can cull in the woods (errant doggers beware).
We must be doing something nutritionaly right as a populace though... because we are continuing to live longer healthier lives than our predicessors.

22 Nov 2004

Before giving this too much credence you might want to consider that, before getting into flogging pet food, the good doctor authored "The Creation-Evolution Controversy" a creationist tract that seeks to debunk the theory of evolution.
I'd love to know where there is any evidence whatsoever that humans, or any other primate, have ever lived voluntarily and healthily, even in the very short term, on a diet of decaying scavenged meat, as claimed in one reply confused

Furthermore, all succesful civilisations have developed dietary taboos that serve to reduce the risk of eating infected food. Halal and Kosher foods both minimise the risk of decayed food entering the food chain.
"It is a fallacy that humans and pets enjoy better health and live longer today."
No it isn't. Peak ages haven't increased as much as suggested by the mean age fallacy (70 year olds have not been uncommon in any society, but the infant death rate has fallen, giving a higher mean age of death) but they have increased throughout the 20th century. Average heights (a strong indicator of childhood health) have also steadily increased over the past millenium.
"Degenerative diseases do not abound in carnivores that age in the wild as they do in pets fed â€œ100% completeâ€ super bow-wow cutlets."
The comparison is not strong. A weak big cat will starve or be killed by the pack. It won't be given 5 more years of life with anti-inflammatories and TLC.

22 Nov 2004

Quote by JonJon
Before giving this too much credence you might want to consider that, before getting into flogging pet food, the good doctor authored "The Creation-Evolution Controversy" a creationist tract that seeks to debunk the theory of evolution.

I think you may have that wrong: looks to me as though he's not trying to debunk evolution, he's suggesting that these two theories can co-exist, which sounds like a pretty :cool: idea to me. Anyone who can get people to agree on things is a good egg in my book!
See for instance the ramblings of an obvious religious fanatic who also objects to "The Creation-Evolution Controversy", but from the opposite point of view: :P

22 Nov 2004

Quote by EnglishChris99
Sometimes I wonder if drinking instant white tea is good for me... then I just think that surely the manufactureres have looked into this on my behalf before selling it... rather than just being the cowboy car salesmen of the instant drink world.!

This is my point exactly, Chris. The manufacturers of your instant white tea don't really have your nutritional well-being at heart: their priority is to make money.
They have a strong incentive to make the stuff more palateable than similar products with which they're in competition. Are they not tempted to add things that move the product off the shelves faster? Something mildly addictive would certainly help sales, for instance. If current scientific theory doesn't show that substance xyz is harmful, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't do it if it will improve their bottom line.
I'm not saying they would go out of their way to make something that's deliberately harmful (I'm not a complete nut!). They have to make their product "safe to eat" - but this is defined by current scientific understanding of what good diet is. And if views such as that of Dr. R.L. Wysong are dismissed out-of-hand by the establishment "because he's obviously a nut" then that just hinders the progress of our society's understanding of the issues sad

Take Coca-Cola/Pepsi/Soft drinks, for example. Rots the teeth, fills you up with sugar. What good does it do you? We're bombarded with adverts for the stuff. Coca-Cola stole Father Christmas, for goodness sake (it's the reason why he's red and white).
Personally, If I'm thirsty, I find a cool glass of water extremely refreshing. Although I do love a cup of coffee, especially first thing in the morning. And then another few cuppas throughout the day... hmmm... time for another coffee

26 Nov 2004

i'm sorry to say but the baddy was bad and the controllers of the future were both bad and mad

26 Nov 2004

Quote by leprechaun
i'm sorry to say but the baddy was bad and the controllers of the future were both bad and mad

But did you enjoy the film? I thought it was great. Had to watch it twice to understand it - which should be a way of classifying movies: "Brazil", "Dogma", "Memento" all fit this grouping, for me.
OK, perhaps it wasn't the best title for this thread. So, sue me :P smile