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Sex God
Quote by guy4fun
slightly off topic kind off did anyone see the programme on television last nite on bbc1 about the police and mainly traffic cops around manchester way .
and that lorry driver who was pissed laying in the middle of the road wearing womens clothes , big burly truck driver dressed as a girl highly amusing but no yorkie bar in sight .
i wonder if he uses this website and if he does hello if you are reading this , i always thought that lorry drivers were a strange bunch all those long days and nights on the road by yourself must do weird things to you .
back on topic now as a man i am not the least bit attracted to transexuals in anyway the majority of them look silly with there burly 6ft frames and bulky legs n arms in a dress or skirt but thats just my oponion and im sure they are all nice people .
Well it wasn't me! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
:twisted: :twisted:
(Sorry, not trying to hijack a serious debate)
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Sex God
Quote by MQ
As a matter of interest, are there as many women who are transsexual? i.e. are born female but feel that they are male.
"Official" statistics state that 1 in 30, 000 biological males are transsexual, compared with 1 in 100, 000 biological females. Therefore, there aren't as many females who believe that they were born as members of the opposite sex as there are males. But there are probably many members of both sexes who always feel gender confusion but who never quite put a name to it and who never seek medical or psychological intervention. It is probably slightly easier for a female to go through life and never be labelled "trans" than it is for a male, basically cos if a female wants to act like a geezer and wear boys clothes it can be done without the bat of an eye lid, whereas that would be a major issue for any male. If you want to know more about female to male transsexuals, try the FTM network:
There is also some interesting info on Loren Cameron's website:
Sex God
if i look at a thread and have nothing useful to contribute other that critisim, i will not comment
CT some people have offered criticism, some have offered opinion, some have offered you advice and direction to places where you can get information to help you form an educated opinion of your own. Do you have one to contribute now to the discussion that you started?
I only ask because you seem very reluctant to join in the discussion.
Bev xx
Sex God
I have a question, how do people within the Trans Community view men who like to dress as women just for sexual fun? Is it looked down on the same way that Bi men are looked upon by a certain portion of the Gay Community?
Roger the Dragon
Roger the Dragon
Sex God
Quote by rogerthedragon
I have a question, how do people within the Trans Community view men who like to dress as women just for sexual fun? Is it looked down on the same way that Bi men are looked upon by a certain portion of the Gay Community?
Roger the Dragon
Interesting question
. As with any kind of community there is always some conflict... A doesn't like B cos of X, Y and Z; B thinks A is a tosser anyway and doesn't give a fuck (but is secretly gutted) etc etc. I've personally heard t-girls who have there own tits slag off those not surgically or hormonally "enhanced" (for the want of a better word 
), but I've no idea how widespread that kind of attitude is. One thing I do know for sure... or at least that is recorded in academic literature is that at one time (again, not sure how widespread this is or ever was) - lesbian feminists, particularly those who played "butch" roles, did not like or agree with female to male transsexuals wanting to and being allowed to live their lives as men. Well, actually, feminists seem to hate everyone, so why doesn't that suprise me 
. I know that probably doesn't answer your question, but it is an interesting aside while someone comes up with the real answer 
Sex God
Thanks for the reply Judy, you are informative as ever. 
The reason I mentioned the Bi - Gay thing was that in my experience of chatting to Gay men I have known (Limited but not non-existant) I have got the impression that a number of Gay men think that Bi sexually men just unable to face their true sexuality.
I am glad that view does not predominate.
Roger the Dragon. xxx
The reason I mentioned the Bi - Gay thing was that in my experience of chatting to Gay men I have known (Limited but not non-existant) I have got the impression that a number of Gay men think that Bi sexually men just unable to face their true sexuality.
I am glad that view does not predominate.
Roger the Dragon. xxx
Sex God
Quote by rogerthedragon
Thanks for the reply Judy, you are informative as ever.
The reason I mentioned the Bi - Gay thing was that in my experience of chatting to Gay men I have known (Limited but not non-existant) I have got the impression that a number of Gay men think that Bi sexually men just unable to face their true sexuality.
I am glad that view does not predominate.
Roger the Dragon. xxx
I have a gay male friend who playfully derides bi men for being "confused". Many a true word is spoken in jest, as they say.
The LGBT community is very diverse. Anyone who has experienced that community in whatever form will probably be able to tell you stories about the support and the conflict within that community. At the end of the day, as with any community you choose your friends, and it pays to choose wisely.
Sex God
Read the whole thread Toz, you will find the explanations or links to where you will find them. No point in someone doing it all again just cos you can't be bothered to read back.
Which you will do, as you are obviously interested
Bevxx
Which you will do, as you are obviously interested
Bevxx
Sex God
I'm sure if you word your questions carefully and lucidly, you will not be derided. However, you asked for definitions of some of the other terms and you will find that either definitions have been given, or that links have been posted so that you can find the definitions for yourself.
Bev
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Bev
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Sex God
What?
Just ask the question (if it hasn't already been asked) but try to word it clearly!
Bev
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Just ask the question (if it hasn't already been asked) but try to word it clearly!
Bev
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Sex God
:roll: got a headache now Quote by toz
if only it was that simple i need to sit down with someone may- be for days lol x
A man looking for himself, maybe you should join us at a munch one day toz. Then you could speak to a few people in person. Otherwise browse the cafe for a few months, see what goes on, and work out your feelings through the mix of threads we have in here.
Quote by bluexxx
I've personally heard t-girls who have there own tits slag off those not surgically or hormonally "enhanced" (for the want of a better word
Bluddy (tm misschief) wimmin :roll:
Did anyone else see Lorraine Kelly this morning? There was a lovely example on there, a couple of post-op transsexual women who are bringing up a daughter between them. One of them fathered the girl in a previous relationship then as he came to terms with the fact that he was really a woman, he met another lady in the same predicament and they came through it together. She then realised that she was actually a lesbian also so it became even more complicated. But it looked like they were really happy together, the child seemed to be a well adjusted, sweet young girl who hasn't suffered prejudice because of her mum which is a breath of fresh air considering the society we live in.
Quote by JudyTVNo, you were born at exactly the right time Jude, if it were not for the people you talk about, it would not have been possible for societies attitudes to begin evolving.
.....Personally I think the young bisexuals of today, whether they be male or female have a ball. They seem to have it covered from all angles and as society becomes more tolerant and our sexuality becomes more accepted and less of an issue then this enjoyment will increase......
......My only regret in all this is that I was born before my time :P but I look around and say good luck to them and dip yer bread.....
Judy
Although having said all those nice things - Gurl also made me think - and put my pendantic head on. It would be nice to be able to say that a post-op transgender, by definition, is no longer transgendered, but correctly gendered.
Toz - if you look back through the posts, you will find a link (was it Northern Concord) which answers the question you asked.
MQ - did they show the bit where she was asked "Do you miss your Daddy now he is your Mummy" and she answered - after some thought - 'No, I do think back sometimes, and when I do, I can sort of feel both of them there' (bit of paraphrasing there)
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Quote by KitKat
MQ - did they show the bit where she was asked "Do you miss your Daddy now he is your Mummy" and she answered - after some thought - 'No, I do think back sometimes, and when I do, I can sort of feel both of them there' (bit of paraphrasing there)
No I must have missed that part, or it may have been edited out, not sure. I'm sure it must have been difficult to go through the process for the daughter, quite confusing at times but they seemed like they were very open with her which is always a good thing. I guess when you have lived with something for a long time then it becomes the norm, and even more so for kids. I'm not sure that I can understand that question though because 'daddy' is still there, she is still the same person and will use the same parenting skills and love her daughter the same no matter what gender she was. Why should be any different now that 'daddy' has a womans body?
She mentioned the dilemma of whether her daughter should call her Mum but the girl insisted on it anyway and let's face it, it would look bloody odd if a child shouted 'DAD' in the street and a woman responded to her!
What a great thread. Okay, so the chap in question seems to have gone underground on the topic, but, non the less, the topic has certainly caused me to think, and has been an education.
I didn't see the programme with Lorraine Kelly, but I'm wondering if we can't all ultimately learn from the child. The acceptance the child has about her parents is based upon her knowing her parents. To the child it doesn't matter if they dress as women/men, if they anatomically have male/female bits, or if they are straight/bi/gay. The child looks only at the parent as the person who is within and leaves all the other crap where it should be. She is quite obviously loved and cared for, and this will always shine out and produce such fantastic individuals.
A child now perhaps, but the acceptance of all sorts of people into her adult life will be something which she will treasure as an adult. Due to her being in an unusual family unit really does mean unfortunately that as she matures, she will be likely to have to question her own views and reach some conclusions of her own, but they will have no choice but to be based upon acceptance.
I cannot speak with any knowledge of the subject of transgender/sexuals/vestities etc, i am ignorant to the ins and outs within the bigger picture, but I do try to be accepting of all individuals based upon nothing more or less than the fact that they are individuals. I will be honest however and say that there are times when i miss the point, cause offense, am ignorant to anothers plight etc.
Through this site, i have met people who are diverse in all directions. For this i will always be grateful since they have made me look at people as individuals outside the bigotry, race and prejudices of society and indeed (from the sound of it) perhaps some communities. Each of us have the right to our individuality and through discussions like this thread, i am finding myself reconciling parts of my own self which have been denied.
I'm not sure if this adds anything to the thread apart from a thankyou all for your frank and open honesty on such intimate and individual matters. I must apologise if i have said anything which is politically incorrect or causes offense, it isn't intended.
Lots of love,hugs and kisses
Little
XXX
I didn't see the programme with Lorraine Kelly, but I'm wondering if we can't all ultimately learn from the child. The acceptance the child has about her parents is based upon her knowing her parents. To the child it doesn't matter if they dress as women/men, if they anatomically have male/female bits, or if they are straight/bi/gay. The child looks only at the parent as the person who is within and leaves all the other crap where it should be. She is quite obviously loved and cared for, and this will always shine out and produce such fantastic individuals.
A child now perhaps, but the acceptance of all sorts of people into her adult life will be something which she will treasure as an adult. Due to her being in an unusual family unit really does mean unfortunately that as she matures, she will be likely to have to question her own views and reach some conclusions of her own, but they will have no choice but to be based upon acceptance.
I cannot speak with any knowledge of the subject of transgender/sexuals/vestities etc, i am ignorant to the ins and outs within the bigger picture, but I do try to be accepting of all individuals based upon nothing more or less than the fact that they are individuals. I will be honest however and say that there are times when i miss the point, cause offense, am ignorant to anothers plight etc.
Through this site, i have met people who are diverse in all directions. For this i will always be grateful since they have made me look at people as individuals outside the bigotry, race and prejudices of society and indeed (from the sound of it) perhaps some communities. Each of us have the right to our individuality and through discussions like this thread, i am finding myself reconciling parts of my own self which have been denied.
I'm not sure if this adds anything to the thread apart from a thankyou all for your frank and open honesty on such intimate and individual matters. I must apologise if i have said anything which is politically incorrect or causes offense, it isn't intended.
Lots of love,hugs and kisses
Little
XXX
It is a fascinating thread, lots of really good information.
I agree with you Little about the daughter of that couple growing up to be understanding of peoples differences which is always a good thing. I have tried my best with my own kids to help them understand and accept people whoever they are and I think it is working so far. I have gay and bi friends and my son has always known that M (gay man friend) has boyfriends the same way that straight men have girlfriends, and that is perfectly OK. I have always failed to understand why society is so stubborn in wanting everyone to conform to the 'norm' and that anyone who falls outside their neat categories should be open to discrimination. It is all wrong and I as a parent will always try to help my kids understand the many differences in people in the most positive way. That's one of the main reasons I am so keen on learning more about the bits I don't understand because if I know then I can pass that knowledge to others who don't.
I agree with you Little about the daughter of that couple growing up to be understanding of peoples differences which is always a good thing. I have tried my best with my own kids to help them understand and accept people whoever they are and I think it is working so far. I have gay and bi friends and my son has always known that M (gay man friend) has boyfriends the same way that straight men have girlfriends, and that is perfectly OK. I have always failed to understand why society is so stubborn in wanting everyone to conform to the 'norm' and that anyone who falls outside their neat categories should be open to discrimination. It is all wrong and I as a parent will always try to help my kids understand the many differences in people in the most positive way. That's one of the main reasons I am so keen on learning more about the bits I don't understand because if I know then I can pass that knowledge to others who don't.
Sex God
Quote by KitKat
Although having said all those nice things - Gurl also made me think - and put my pendantic head on. It would be nice to be able to say that a post-op transgender, by definition, is no longer transgendered, but correctly gendered.
Can I be even more pedantic (no...... I hear you cry
) and say that transgendered people are ALWAYS correctly gendered - for them. All sex re-assignment surgery does is change the look of the biological body to match that gender. Thus a post op transsexual now looks the correct sex for the gender that they KNOW they have always been.
All of which begs the question, how much is sexuality genetic, and how much social 'grooming'.
It is claimed by some historians that in the martial societies in ancient Greece, male/male long term relationships were not only encouraged, but in extreme cases, compulsory within the armed forces. It was viewed that a soldier would fight harder with his lover alongside him, than for his wife and kids way behind the front line.
Acceptance of this concept of compulsory bi-sexuality would bring up visions of 'straight bashing' of those that would not conform to societies dictates.
Of course, there are also just as many that say this is absolute tosh, and homosexual activity amongst soldiers in Greece was purely recreational.
lhk
Kat
It is claimed by some historians that in the martial societies in ancient Greece, male/male long term relationships were not only encouraged, but in extreme cases, compulsory within the armed forces. It was viewed that a soldier would fight harder with his lover alongside him, than for his wife and kids way behind the front line.
Acceptance of this concept of compulsory bi-sexuality would bring up visions of 'straight bashing' of those that would not conform to societies dictates.
Of course, there are also just as many that say this is absolute tosh, and homosexual activity amongst soldiers in Greece was purely recreational.
lhk
Kat
