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edit: wow i can change the title. This forum gets greater and greater
This is weird.
I have just been out on a good night out with me team, a good networking oppurtunity in london, and i decide it would be a good idea to go and get a plate, packet even, of chipos from my local dalllas, which is a cheap FFC incase you didnt know.
All was good untill i paid, and then the one of the 15 year old, sadly this is prob v truie, decides that it would be a good idea to punch me in the face for no reason.
Now my point is why the fuck would you want to do that to somwe one. I am very pissd off about this mainly because i did nothing about it and also because they had the nearve to do it.
The thing is, i always thought that i would be ok, coz i aint the smallest guy in the world, but why oh why would they someone do this.
I dont understand. So i would like to A: apologise for the anguage and B: say why didnt i do anything.
I am posting this coz i cant exactly talk to anyone else and i need to get this of my chest.
Thwe worst things is, apart from me doing fuck all, is the fact that the guy just slapped me and not punched me i dont understand.
There is a good dide to the story though, i got some free chicken and some coke because of it biggrin
I can understand your frustration. It'sprobably only because if you had retaliated you'd have been accused of knocking a youth about. Inexplicable violence is just mindless. So commiserations
Just one thought though - do you think it might be worth changing the title of the thread because the words will lead all the wrong sort of people here via search engines.
Stop changing the thread name!!!!!!!! :shock: Confusing for a blonde!
sorry trying to getcthe right one, as a blond i understand the difficulty biggrin
Been attacked a few times without reason, I am totally non violent, but that doesn't stop them. Some people go for the the big bloke to show off. Thats why I do Aikido now, next person who tries to hit me will be having a very bad day, very fast. Also as it the martial art a lot of the Police holds are based on, and purely defensive, it hard to say 'oh he knocked me about' even if you are a spotty 15 year old.
Still been there too mate, know what you feeling.
Yeah, i've had that happen a few times.
Kids acting the hard man, because they know 99 ouit of 100 people won't retaliate. I'd love to be there when the loony #100 is there though! smile
Problem is, i'm not a big guy (5 foot 9-ish), and a lot of these kids are bigger than me. I dunno what i'd do if they caught me in a bad mood though. I know they're just kids, but if they're gonna ACT like men... (not that i'd expect this kinda stuff from an adult, mind you...)
Thing is, they never do it when they're on their own. If i did retaliate (thinking he was old enough to smack) would i have witnesses to say he started it?
It's firework time again, as well. Glad i live in a far better area than i did 2 years ago. It was a nightmare.
Jesus, i hate most kids. I hate their parents more though. Guess i could follow him home and start a fight with his dad. :)
I got threatened by a gang of spotty fifteen-year-olds in Woolworths a few years ago. I mean, in bloody Woolworths, at 11:30am! With people all around!
Fortunately I didn't get hurt, but what really knocked my confidence back was that, despite being surrounded by busy shoppers, for a long time nobody came to my aid. Oh yes, there was one "helpful" old geezer who said "if you're going to fight, take it outside", but I don't count that as "helping". Eventually a gray-haired woman "rescued" me.
But really. You think that because you're surrounded by people, you're protected from mindless thuggery, but no. sad
I'm afraid the owner of said chippy would have needed to phone for an ambulance.
A swift tap on the nose would have been my reaction and one for his mates if they so desired..
These yobs are far too cocky these days.....Christ if I had done that when I was his age and my old man found out I would have been in for a wallop off him let alone anyone else...
Does the blame lie with the youths or does some of it stem from the way they have been raised confused: :?:
Fair enough..........Some youths it seems are way out of control and no matter how they were raised it probably wouldnt have made a bit of difference but the same cant be said for all of em can it :?:
Mindless teenagers made my life difficult and expensive for a few years. A McDonald's opened quite close to me and there were kids in large numbers. It cost money to enclose my backyard and I spent money on railings around my front garden. This kept them off my property but they were still there.
Two points. We allow kids to stay kids longer nowadays. We allow them to do whatever they want and suddenly expect them to be responsible adults. How is this supposed to happen? The mayhem I see on television reminds me the school playground.
Last point. I have begun to react aggressively when I'm confronted by teenagers. In every case they have backed down.
Tom
My eldest boy is 16 but he's big and burley and passes for a 20 year old quite easily (think that may have something to do with the beard and tash though) but he still gets the odd clip around the head from his mum. And he wouldn't dare lift a finger back in retaliation either. He knows better than that. mad And if I ever found out he was hanging out in gangs or randomly assaulting folk he'd be far safer handing himself over to the police than to come back home to me! and he knows this too. evil
My point here being, more parents need to pull in the reigns and teach their kids respect and concerquences AT HOME before letting them loose on Joe Public. Their behavior reflects back on us as parents. But sadly, looking at the number of ASBO's being issued in our area I'm afraid this problem seems to be a result of the lack of parenting skills in today's society.
I've long thought that parenting is something we should be teaching in our schools. After all, most kids will be parents themselves one day, and school is the only real opportunity you get to teach life-skills to most people. I'm sure the curriculum can stand to lose a couple of hours of lessons about sedimentary rock formation or why rivers meander for something this important.
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I've long thought that parenting is something we should be teaching in our schools. After all, most kids will be parents themselves one day, and school is the only real opportunity you get to teach life-skills to most people. I'm sure the curriculum can stand to lose a couple of hours of lessons about sedimentary rock formation or why rivers meander for something this important.

Do you have some sort of aversion to geography? Seriously, I do feel that finance should be taught at school, budgeting, reconciling bank accounts, negotiating for discounts and pay rises, that sort of thing. Now those would be truly useful.
Chris
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I've long thought that parenting is something we should be teaching in our schools.

Aint that the truth. You only have to watch daytime tv to see that there are more and more *Damaged* parents out there raising damaged children, who inturn will go on to do the same.
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I do feel that finance should be taught at school, budgeting, reconciling bank accounts, negotiating for discounts and pay rises, that sort of thing. Now those would be truly useful.

Great idea. Get those buggers off the dole!
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Great idea. Get those buggers off the dole!

Hey....... I take offence at that.. :shock: I'm not a bugger!!!!
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Do you have some sort of aversion to geography?

It was just such a pointless waste of time. I could understand if they were teaching map-reading or cultural differences or anything that would actually be useful to you in later life, but the stuff they taught us was nothing more than trivia.
Plus, my geography teacher made us sit in alphabetical order.
I'm with you on finance. I quite like watching these personal finance programs - where Alvin Hall or someone goes in to help someone who's hopelessly in debt. The poor sods never even have any idea how much is coming in and how much is going out - I think keeping a simple account book of their incomings and outgoings would stop half of these people getting into trouble in the first place. I think it's criminal we don't teach this kind of life-skill in schools.
Life skills in general would be a good thing to teach. I obviously would have got an 'F' in that. lol
"Why are kids such bastards?: It's their job. Same as it's my job to tell mine to tidy their rooms, when the rest of the house is a shit tip (anyone who's been here will verify that)
"Why do kids commit assault/ASB?" Because their parents can't/won't control them. It has to start at a VERY early age. No good trying to teach your 16 yr old how to be nice if you let your 2 yr old scream and shout in the supermarket. Old dog - new tricks.
This thread also begs the question: has the Labour Party gone too far with its social freedom and justice for all policies. By denying parents the right to smack their children when they are small (and I don't mean excessive child abuse there) we have encouraged a generation of adolescents that have adopted the view that they can do what they want, to whom they want and be totally free from reproachment. I can't see that changing in the foreseable future - or at least until we establish a government that supports the victim and not the offender.
For those of you who stated that they have been actually attacked and nobody came to their assistance, I'm sorry to say that you are a direct consequence of Joe Public not getting involved for fear or reprisals, for fear of children - as that is what they still are, even at 15 - crying wolf and landing themselves in trouble for altogether different reasons.
What are the underlying factors: Gang Rap/Culture, violent video games, lack of parental control or care, inability of the courts to deal with consistent offenders, schools even?
I do believe that we are a product of our environment, I was caned at school and punished by my father - often both for the same thing - and it taught me that discipline and pain are associated with bad behaviour, take that away and there is no effective deterrent by which teenagers can gauge the consequences of their actions - knowing the difference between right and wrong is sometimes not enough.
My own instincts for survival would have forced me to give the bugger a sock on the nose but I guess I would've been had up on a charge in court if I did.
I honestly think the way you bring your children up makes all the difference although as a parent know that you cant control everything they do, teenagers are the worst now too. I dunno maybe their raging hormones dont help.
My wee brothers actually living with me at the moment because some stupid wee gang of boys shot at his head with an air rifle and are now threating to stab him?? Its fucking shocking and I know he's no angel, he is a typical teenager, just left school got a wee job goes to his pals and basically doesnt really bother with anyone and he has got a bit of a gob on him but it still doesnt explain why anyone would want to beat him up, hes been to hospital twice since he was about 14 because of attacks and tbh his height kinda singles him out a bit because he is quite tall. Its very worrying as quite a few people I went to school with are now dead and its more boys in particular that are being murdered usually in knife attacks.
I personally thing they should change the laws back to what they were years ago when they were having the knife amnestys in Glasgow and probably not just Glasgow everywhere else too. Im totally against this type of thing carrying guns, knifes or any other thing that can be used as an offensive weapon should all carry an automatic sentence if caught with one!! Just a sad scary situation thats getting worse here. 2 dozen murders in the space of a month!!
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Great idea. Get those buggers off the dole!

Hey....... I take offence at that.. :shock: I'm not a bugger!!!!
Then I'm not talking about you. Let me clarify. I understand that there are people out there who are on the dole through no fault of their own, and I myself have even come close to having to sign on. I've nothing against support being given where support is genuinely needed. Hey I'll even hand over my tax ££££££ with a smile on my face if that were the case. The buggers I'm refering to are those who lack self-motivation and self-respect and who believe they have a 'right' to council cash because mum and dad lived on the dole on council estates, got pissed every night and didn't give a damn where or what the little cherubs where up to, so now it's our turn!
No, not everyone living in a council house and reliant on the dole fall under that umbrella, but an aweful lot of them do.
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I think it's criminal we don't teach this kind of life-skill in schools.

Along with first aid and sign language .....
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This thread also begs the question: has the Labour Party gone too far with its social freedom and justice for all policies. By denying parents the right to smack their children when they are small (and I don't mean excessive child abuse there) .

If my kids step out of line to the point where they need disipline confused: then they get it...
I dont need a goverment do gooder to tell me how to raise my children...
Anywhere we go with our children people comment on how polite and well behaved they are and generally they are well behaved at home as well....
Must be doing something right....
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This thread also begs the question: has the Labour Party gone too far with its social freedom and justice for all policies.

To be honest, I remember having the same discussion with different people in the mid-90s. I think the problem is more one of culture than of politics, and I don't think any of the political parties have the answer to this question.
You do get gangs of kids hanging around the paths and outside the shop in my area, but to be fair to them they've never caused me any trouble and there's nothing for them to do around here. Literally nothing. There's a youth club but that's over 3 miles away - and there's no busses. There's no football pitch, no games arcade, no library... no nothing.
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There's a youth club but that's over 3 miles away

Poor dears. mad I HAVE to walk 15 miles a day just doing school runs alone. We already have an obesity problem in this country. The 3 miles will do them good.
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This thread also begs the question: has the Labour Party gone too far with its social freedom and justice for all policies. By denying parents the right to smack their children when they are small (and I don't mean excessive child abuse there) we have encouraged a generation of adolescents that have adopted the view that they can do what they want, to whom they want and be totally free from reproachment. I can't see that changing in the foreseable future - or at least until we establish a government that supports the victim and not the offender.
What are the underlying factors: Gang Rap/Culture, violent video games, lack of parental control or care, inability of the courts to deal with consistent offenders, schools even?
I do believe that we are a product of our environment, I was caned at school and punished by my father - often both for the same thing - and it taught me that discipline and pain are associated with bad behaviour, take that away and there is no effective deterrent by which teenagers can gauge the consequences of their actions - knowing the difference between right and wrong is sometimes not enough.
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Sorry but I think that's a load of crap to be blunt.
I was never smacked or disiplined with violence at any stage in my life. I have seen just about every bloody, violent, banned or offensive film and played every similar computer game that were made.
Result? The last time I hit someone was in the playground probably between 10 and 15 years ago. I've never even been spoken to by the police except if I say hello to an officer when passing them in the street.
Yes upbringing has a huge influence on the person you become but to think that violence is the way to control and teach someone is narrow minded and ridiculous.
Computer games and movies don't make monsters of children. It's the lack of tutoring on how to deal with the information they are given that causes the problems.
Explanation and discussion will always be a vastly superior way to influence someone than by hitting them.
Most teenagers look alot older these days and because of that when you have a run in with them they like to hide behind the had a seventeen year old who smashed my car window and i knew it was no good going to his parents they couldn't give a he had to do was say sorry i would have still been pissed but it would have been a start instead he laughed at me and started showing off in front of his i can say i lost it when he threatened to burn our house down and kill my this point i can say i smacked him one in the face causing him to retaliate creating one hell of a i got from his mates was "you can't hit him he's a minor" well all i can say is they can dish it out but they can't take the police were called i was not arrested the police used common sense in this all teenagers are bastards it's just a small minority perhaps if parents took abit more interest in what their kids did and teach them respect!
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I got threatened by a gang of spotty fifteen-year-olds in Woolworths a few years ago. I mean, in bloody Woolworths, at 11:30am! With people all around!
Fortunately I didn't get hurt, but what really knocked my confidence back was that, despite being surrounded by busy shoppers, for a long time nobody came to my aid. Oh yes, there was one "helpful" old geezer who said "if you're going to fight, take it outside", but I don't count that as "helping". Eventually a gray-haired woman "rescued" me.
But really. You think that because you're surrounded by people, you're protected from mindless thuggery, but no. sad

The problem is you can never be certain if one of them is carrying a weapon they make you out to be some kind of coward for not fighting back but it will always lead to tragedy but wouldn't it be great to teach them a lesson,knock them down a peg or two!
About 2 years ago I had an altercation with a kid who shot my son in the head with a BB gun outside the shops. This kid was ranting and raving up so close I could feel his spit on my face. I'm only 5.2 and a size 10 and wasn't about to take on a strapping thug. And luckily I didn't have to. There was something vulnerable in his abuse toward me. I still don't know what made me do it, but I hugged him and he cried, and no, his mates didn't laugh at him either. Turned out the kid was from a single parent family, the mother was floor manager at Asda, so through no fault of her own wasn't home much.
It's sad that there are just so many lost and lonely young souls out there.
But my boys still get a damn good thumping if the need arises!
What have they got?
Who do they turn to?
Are kids of today not the product of the very society they are in?
Society has totally lost what were once Communities which were united. Tough times were seen, but the community would pull together. Individuals would help one another as much as were able, and any problems within the community were dealt with, by the community. Then what happened.? The onset of television, to me, was one of the biggest factors.
Look at programming from 40 years ago. The programmes were quite inherently different in there nature as to now. Kids have lost there ability to use their imaginations. Instead, sitting in front of the goggle box has became the norm. The communities were replaced with Soaps, and the beginnings of the "don't know who your neighbours are" society begins.
When you stop imagining, you stop dreaming of other things. A different way of life perhaps. The desire for a better life for yourself and your own, becomes incomprehensible. You lose the ability to see that things can be different through the imagination and the aspiration of dreams can be realities.
I think its awful that so little respect has been shown to those of you involved in any mindless violence. But then, it is just exactly that, mindless. At what stage in our lives will mindless become the norm?
Lots of love, hugs and kisses
Little
XXX
If anyone has any sore bits which need to be kissed better, i'll be only too happy to help lol
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About 2 years ago I had an altercation with a kid who shot my son in the head with a BB gun outside the shops. This kid was ranting and raving up so close I could feel his spit on my face. I'm only 5.2 and a size 10 and wasn't about to take on a strapping thug. And luckily I didn't have to. There was something vulnerable in his abuse toward me. I still don't know what made me do it, but I hugged him and he cried, and no, his mates didn't laugh at him either. Turned out the kid was from a single parent family, the mother was floor manager at Asda, so through no fault of her own wasn't home much.
It's sad that there are just so many lost and lonely young souls out there.
But my boys still get a damn good thumping if the need arises!

You know ...i think you are so right,some of these kids are just angry with one thing or another,whenever i have a falling out with one of our kids a hug goes along 't think i could have done what you did though maybe being female helped?