Will swinging become socially acceptable.

15 Oct 2009

Not long ago having children out of wedlock was deemed a brandable offense,now some 40 years on single mums,non married family's etc are quite socially acceptable.
I was wondering if swinging will ever become an every day occurrence,if so would you be happy about that or is it being a subculture all part of the thrill and something that should remain behind closed doors..?

15 Oct 2009

Quote by Mark_July
Not long ago having children out of wedlock was deemed a brandable offense,now some 40 years on single mums,non married family's etc are quite socially acceptable.
I was wondering if swinging will ever become an every day occurrence,if so would you be happy about that or is it being a subculture all part of the thrill and something that should remain behind closed doors..?

Nobody can really be sure of that answer.
Having sex with someone in a club scene, where people gather to have sex with strangers I think, will not become socially acceptable in my lifetime.
Yes it is true that having kids out of wedlock was deemed to be a sin years ago, thankfully those days are gone, but society seems to have paid a certain price for that, accepting swinging I think it will stay as it is now for many a year.
Many things that 40 years ago would have be unheard of, are now common place, so I suppose it could change but...for me most people in society will never understand the need for people to have sex with others they hardly know. It is just not in most peoples morals or values.
Everyone who swings have their own reasons for doing it, but friends of ours would just not understand, and there is still a huge stigma attached to it, and probably always will be.

15 Oct 2009

it depends on your social circle.
In mine everyone knows that I swing and it has been used for many an interesting conversation about things I wouldn't ordinarily discuss with people I was only acquainted with.
Everyone that I socialise with, however briefly, knows that we 'swing' as mine and worlass can be seen flirting where ever we find someone interesting. My father and his (rather staid) wife know.
So, I would say that 'we' are the only people that can make it socially acceptable.

15 Oct 2009

In our lifetime - probably not - but as social taboos and limitations are broken down over the years it will become a norm within the next century or two most probably - the youth of today are much more open minded about sex than our generation.
If you look retrospectively at the social taboos you will see free love in many guises in the 20's 30's and even in Victorian times (although behind closed doors) - I think it is emerging slowly as acceptable - would swinging be a term used on network television if it wasn't in emergence? I see many TV programmes about swinging pop up and so I think its well on its way to becoming acceptable as a choice of lifestyle.... :P

15 Oct 2009

Quote by brucie
"single mums,non married family's etc are quite socially acceptable"
not so sure about this. common yes. accetable?

Stop being silly Brucie, and stop trying to pick fights! biggrin

15 Oct 2009

yes...I think it will. As quite rightly said...single parents used to be looked down upon....gay relationships were deemed morally corrupt....stocking and suspenders were said to be kinky !!!
All common place and accepted now. However the onus on fast swinging becomes acceptable is on us all. If we hide away, and don't tell people, then it will take time to come out of the closet. If we are more open, then, maybe more and others will be willing to be the same.
Just do a search of 3 miles from your postcode on here, and you may be surprised at how many others are local. Was over 2000 other profiles for me.
We are not alone !!!!

15 Oct 2009

I suspect that society will ebb and flow in terms of prudery and permissiveness as it always has.
Its pretty difficult to ignore the values of opinions of the majority. I think doing so is one of the key routes to happiness.

15 Oct 2009

I agree with splendid in that it depends on social circles.....
We used to be in the army and many of our old army friends know what we do and are very accepting and some are quite intrigued .... whereas I know that most of our friends outside of that environment would be horrified at the thought!!
I think it has a lot to do with culture. Britain is very prudish compaired to other cultures. In some places in Europe for example, families attend swimming pools in which everyone is naked .... they are brought up being open and comfortable about being naked in front of strangers as it is part of their culture, it is the norm. Sex is openly discussed from an early age and so people are not so shocked when sex is mentioned.
I also think that our media is unaccepting of anyone who pushes the boundaries ..... I remember watching an episode of Jeremy Kyle (not that I watch him a lot .... the bloke does my head in) a couple of swingers were on along with some friends of theirs who didnt agree with what they do .... I bet you can guess who's side Mr Kyle was on!!!
Mrs Fun xx

15 Oct 2009

Quote by Mark_July
"single mums,non married family's etc are quite socially acceptable"
not so sure about this. common yes. accetable?

Stop being silly Brucie, and stop trying to pick fights! biggrin

I agree tho'... there is a difference between common and socially acceptable.
A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the 'fault' of single mothers.. teenage mums especially. That would mean that it isn't socially acceptable at all it is just 'common'.

15 Oct 2009

I agree with splendid and brucie in the common/acceptable debate so far.

15 Oct 2009

Quote by splendid_
it depends on your social circle.
In mine everyone knows that I swing and it has been used for many an interesting conversation about things I wouldn't ordinarily discuss with people I was only acquainted with.
Everyone that I socialise with, however briefly, knows that we 'swing' as mine and worlass can be seen flirting where ever we find someone interesting. My father and his (rather staid) wife know.
So, I would say that 'we' are the only people that can make it socially acceptable.

Splendid, I agree with you!
I would like to add too.
I have told my mother and a couple of close friends what we do as we are not ashamed what we do. We as a couple choose together to swing and as long as it has not affected my normal family life, which it has not in the slightest, I donâ€™t see it as something we should be judged on.
What I believe is keeping it unacceptable is when people doing it see it that way to, but in their mind would make allowances for themselves.

15 Oct 2009

Quote by brucie
you havent seen my legs... i would make the worlds least convincing tranny. ever... actually having seen some profiles on here...

This thread might be able to help! :thumbup:
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/300078.html

15 Oct 2009

Quote by splendid_
"single mums,non married family's etc are quite socially acceptable"
not so sure about this. common yes. accetable?

Stop being silly Brucie, and stop trying to pick fights! biggrin

I agree tho'... there is a difference between common and socially acceptable.
A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the 'fault' of single mothers.. teenage mums especially. That would mean that it isn't socially acceptable at all it is just 'common'.
She fancies you, I can tell! She fancies all the same blokes as me flipa

15 Oct 2009

Acceptable to my friends both swingers and vanilla
seems not a shock to anyone nowadays to be a swinger
so you might say acceptable wink

trav..

15 Oct 2009

Again, it depends on your circle.
Like attracts like.
Our closest friends- the people we've chosen to tell- are all like minded individuals. I don't mean they're swingers, but they're open minded, non judgemental, and pretty darn cool. cool

That's why they're our closest friends. wink

15 Oct 2009

I dont have that problem as have no friens.
I'm a bit of a cu...
lp

15 Oct 2009

I have just walked home and passed a chalk board outside a pub giving notice of the next quiz night, I wonder if we will see signs up in future giving notice of the next swinging night.. biggrin

That would be a nice world to live in..

16 Oct 2009

Quote by Mark_July
I have just walked home and passed a chalk board outside a pub giving notice of the next quiz night, I wonder if we will see signs up in future giving notice of the next swinging night.. That would be a nice world to live in..

:thumbup:
trav..

16 Oct 2009

Quote by splendid_
I agree tho'... there is a difference between common and socially acceptable.
A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the 'fault' of single mothers.. teenage mums especially. That would mean that it isn't socially acceptable at all it is just 'common'.

A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the fault of lets say.. Homosexuality(Gay marriages;gay parenting;) the aforementioned single mums; females being ordained etc etc.. does this mean that they too are just common and not socially acceptable? .. I would hope not.. confused

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16 Oct 2009

well swinging ever become socially acceptable... not when people who write for the masses do something like this...

not that I read the rag (leave that to other people) it does though bring up the point that if people are going write in this fashion, then it has no chance,

16 Oct 2009

Quote by Mark_July

I agree tho'... there is a difference between common and socially acceptable.
A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the 'fault' of single mothers.. teenage mums especially. That would mean that it isn't socially acceptable at all it is just 'common'.

A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the fault of lets say.. Homosexuality(Gay marriages;gay parenting;) the aforementioned single mums; females being ordained etc etc.. does this mean that they too are just common and not socially acceptable? .. I would hope not.. confused

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Ahem, I think I may be able to help you with that....
yeah, homosexuality is certainly not socially acceptable. It is more common but is not something that anyone would see as a positive for the most part. (I know that this will shock those of you who don't care ) there are even some people who get killed in this country because of their sexuality. There are people who are bullied at work , have their children removed by social services. Spat at in the street .... ummm oh, the list goes on. I would say that being gay here is less socially acceptable than being a single mum.
So you can hope all you like Mark_July. It is common that is all.
Females being ordanied ? Much the same. You will recall the influx from the Anglican Church to the Catholic of priests and congregation because of their ruling... ?

16 Oct 2009

Quote by splendid_

I agree tho'... there is a difference between common and socially acceptable.
A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the 'fault' of single mothers.. teenage mums especially. That would mean that it isn't socially acceptable at all it is just 'common'.

A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the fault of lets say.. Homosexuality(Gay marriages;gay parenting;) the aforementioned single mums; females being ordained etc etc.. does this mean that they too are just common and not socially acceptable? .. I would hope not.. confused

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Ahem, I think I may be able to help you with that....
yeah, homosexuality is certainly not socially acceptable. It is more common but is not something that anyone would see as a positive for the most part. (I know that this will shock those of you who don't care ) there are even some people who get killed in this country because of their sexuality. There are people who are bullied at work , have their children removed by social services. Spat at in the street .... ummm oh, the list goes on. I would say that being gay here is less socially acceptable than being a single mum.
So you can hope all you like Mark_July. It is common that is all.
Females being ordanied ? Much the same. You will recall the influx from the Anglican Church to the Catholic of priests and congregation because of their ruling... ?
It was the reference to a fair proportion of society's ills bit that i wondered about....i would say that a fair proportion of society's ills are caused be the ppl who cannot socially accept the above mentioned..

16 Oct 2009

well said splendid---sad and true.
Fab thank you for the heads up on the disgusting foul hate filled filth in the daily scum. The old "public interest" excuse again i see.

16 Oct 2009

Quote by Ben_welshminx
well said splendid---sad and true.
Fab thank you for the heads up on the disgusting foul hate filled filth in the daily scum. The old "public interest" excuse again i see.

Hmmm, how does one equate to calling a certain newspaper a rag and speaking of its readers in a derogatory fashion, yet admit to like watching a TV programme that delights in exploiting the most underprivilaged in our society? dunno

16 Oct 2009

Quote by Mark_July

I agree tho'... there is a difference between common and socially acceptable.
A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the 'fault' of single mothers.. teenage mums especially. That would mean that it isn't socially acceptable at all it is just 'common'.

A fair proportion of society's ills are deemed to be the fault of lets say.. Homosexuality(Gay marriages;gay parenting;) the aforementioned single mums; females being ordained etc etc.. does this mean that they too are just common and not socially acceptable? .. I would hope not.. confused

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Ahem, I think I may be able to help you with that....
yeah, homosexuality is certainly not socially acceptable. It is more common but is not something that anyone would see as a positive for the most part. (I know that this will shock those of you who don't care ) there are even some people who get killed in this country because of their sexuality. There are people who are bullied at work , have their children removed by social services. Spat at in the street .... ummm oh, the list goes on. I would say that being gay here is less socially acceptable than being a single mum.
So you can hope all you like Mark_July. It is common that is all.
Females being ordanied ? Much the same. You will recall the influx from the Anglican Church to the Catholic of priests and congregation because of their ruling... ?
It was the reference to a fair proportion of society's ills bit that i wondered about....i would say that a fair proportion of society's ills are caused be the ppl who cannot socially accept the above mentioned..
totally... I hold no responsibility for those who will not ac ept my lifestyle. It makes it no easier to wipe the looks from their eyes nor the eggs from my house windows.
Being a 'leftie' has also been used on this forum as the reason for society's ills. I can hold my hands up to that accolade too. I even wear sandals on a sunny day too. The ignorant will blame whatever they can for society's ills. cool

16 Oct 2009

I reckon its nice that swinging is a bit . OK its crap if or when someone is outed and there's abuse thats the bad bit. Otherwise I like the secrecy and naughtiness it adds to my pleasure us having a guily secret.

16 Oct 2009

Quote by Max777
well said splendid---sad and true.
Fab thank you for the heads up on the disgusting foul hate filled filth in the daily scum. The old "public interest" excuse again i see.

Hmmm, how does one equate to calling a certain newspaper a rag and speaking of its readers in a derogatory fashion, yet admit to like watching a TV programme that delights in exploiting the most underprivilaged in our society? dunno

thanks max... at least direct it to me if you have a problem with what I wrote....do me that decency at least.
The daily circulation figures for the sun or "that rag" as max to exception to, is just over 3 million... I don't read it... others do.....
I only came across that article as it is doing the rounds on various swinging websites today....
"the sun" and its sister paper "the news of the world" have been doing expose's and outing swinger for years on years on years.... if you have been on here long enough, it got to the stage where on a saturday night/sunday morning, you would come on here and would be guessing either who they had exposed/outed, which club they had gotten secret cameras into, or lured headlines they would be using to try and increase there sells....
so while they have "journo" of a certain ilk working at it... swinging will never be accepted, and don't you the "public interest" angle because they have used that to destroy lives and clubs
so excuse me for having distain for that rag... and the sensational way they operate, I have had the same distain for the past 20 years with the stories they write
I never said anything about the people who read it, so please don't put words in my mouth.....

16 Oct 2009

Quote by fabio
well said splendid---sad and true.
Fab thank you for the heads up on the disgusting foul hate filled filth in the daily scum. The old "public interest" excuse again i see.

Hmmm, how does one equate to calling a certain newspaper a rag and speaking of its readers in a derogatory fashion, yet admit to like watching a TV programme that delights in exploiting the most underprivilaged in our society? dunno

thanks max... at least direct it to me if you have a problem with what I wrote....do me that decency at least.
The daily circulation figures for the sun or "that rag" as max to exception to, is just over 3 million... I don't read it... others do.....
I only came across that article as it is doing the rounds on various swinging websites today....
"the sun" and its sister paper "the news of the world" have been doing expose's and outing swinger for years on years on years.... if you have been on here long enough, it got to the stage where on a saturday night/sunday morning, you would come on here and would be guessing either who they had exposed/outed, which club they had gotten secret cameras into, or lured headlines they would be using to try and increase there sells....
so while they have "journo" of a certain ilk working at it... swinging will never be accepted, and don't you the "public interest" angle because they have used that to destroy lives and clubs
so excuse me for having distain for that rag... and the sensational way they operate, I have had the same distain for the past 20 years with the stories they write
I never said anything about the people who read it, so please don't put words in my mouth.....
I'm not using any angle Fabio.
I'm no lover of the Sun newspaper but then again I'm not slagging it off whilst admitting to liking a TV progrqamme that makes the Sun look positively intellectual!
"not that I read the rag (leave that to other people)"
those were your exact words..if you wern't being derogatory to its readers, why the brackets?
and maybe my post was directed at you in the same way your brackets were directed at another member of this site.
:dunno:

16 Oct 2009

Quote by splendid_
The ignorant will blame whatever they can for society's ills.

Top Bird!
Gay or otherwise.
lp