How many people here know the wiring regs have changed?
Did you know as a DIYer You can now
only changes Switch & Socket plates or light fittings,but not in the Kitchen or Bathroom
add sockets & lights not complete circuits,but not in Kitchen, Bathroom or outside
You can't rewire your house yourself anymore.
this and few more complicated bits.
It's costing me nearly a grand to be registered to do this now, but likes of b&Q, wickes are still gonna sell eleclic bits, so noonres gonna stick to the rules or even understand them
ian
if anyone does want any genuine advice on this feel free to call
poor thing takes ages to become NIC registered!
Well Sparky............the way things are going...with the H/S..we will have to get some one in to wipe are bums :shock:
Right who first? :P
Guess this begs the question 'How many SH members does it take to change a lightbulb?'
Now were not ones to support the 'on topic only' brigade , but ........blimey i thought id clicked This Old House in my favourites by mistake !
Wheres Norm ?
Yeah I know what you are talking about.
It is called Part P registration. It only covers domostec proprties though. It is more to do with building control than anything else.
It seems strange though they have brought this in to coninside with colour code harmonisation with europe. The colours are going to confuse the hell out of lots of people.
The joke is I have been a qualified electrician for 16 years have done my 16th edition regs update done my inspection and test city and guilds and yet are not allowed to replace a socket in my kitchen. Yet in can carry out 3 phase works in a factory (far more complex) . But on the other hand who actually assess's the ability of a diyer before they carry out work in their own home, which you or I could later buy and is a death trap. There is a good and bad side to all this. It is a major piss for the likes of me who are qualified but cannot do their own wiring but it does protect you all a bit more as well.
I can't even get my part P ticket just to do my own wiring or friends wiring without providing proof of 3rd party liability insurance for registration. In other words you must be self eployed or be employed by an NIC registered company yet in a factory no one cares.
B&Q also sell Gas boilers and Fires we all no that gas is illegal to touch unless corgi reged
Just got back in, first libra-love pm me will glady fix light,
all other things
I too have been spark for 16 years since I left school
i've worked on three phase, hv etc,
now need this to domestic, not only have to have insurance, but also be registered with insurance guarntee company as well.
yes in theory u can do work and get it certtified, but I know maidstone building control have said they will not inspect and are only going to accept work from registered contractors
Who noes where this going, and hoever made black a phase colour want's shooting
ian
Will be interesting to see the effect on Home insurance premiums. If you house burns down due to an electrical fault, can you prove works were done prior to regulations
Just forgot one thing
under BS&7671 a bulb is called a LAMP and it goes in a LUMINAIR so well busty babe
you can't call it a bulb anymore, more stupidity
and if your instaling it into a new house it needs a Luminair to fit low energy Lamps to part L building regs
just to put the record straight . . . . . .
a light is what you need to fire up the next ciggie -
the glass-covered thingy the shop calls a lightbulb is in fact a lamp - it is definitely not a globe -
a globe is the spherical representation of the earth on the side table in the clasroom -
the lamp referred to above fits in a lantern, fitting or luminaire (nb the e at the end)
and self-certification of a domestic installation is still possible in England and Wales for the time being but not for very lmuch longer in Scotland - Ulster I don't know about -
there you go
You know this is as bad as PC's, a printer is not the thing you put paper in, thats the print device. A printer is the thing you setup on the server to share...
Personally I think getting work checked is a good idea, means I can still pop in new light switches, replace the plug socket with snazzy new black ones, but ok if I do major stuff someone has to check it. The qualification for that seems ott as you say for the sparky who wants to do his own house, but hey ho...
Still if my wiring blows up it will be the rabbit eating the damn cables. Now all extension leads, the speaker cables, network lines, everything has to run through drain pipes installed around the room as anti nibble devices. (Luckily it all behind furniture)
I've been an electrician since I began my apprecticeship in 1963, (four and a half years to get the finals back then lads). This is the last straw for me, I just aint prepared to spend out any more money to carry on my trade, I'm fed up with being treated like an idiot and told I have to attend all these courses, and gain all these bits of paper... I'm out of it... Just got myself a nice full time job in a local college... Free meals on duty, own parking space, clothing provided, 8 weeks paid holiday, university pension on retirement... and cos it's commercial we don't need no certificate scheme.
This is what all the government interference will eventually do to all trades, drive people out of them, and as for the colour change, Ha! black means danger, I don't freekin think so... It's all to please the bloody foreigners, pull out of the damn EU not get in deeper.
Government busybodies........just sit in the office and dream up ways to stop the working class earning a crust.......they know nothing of the real world..........do us all out of a job.
Generalisations to any new regulations come in.
Why are new regulations made. Could be that people are getting hurt or dying......just a thought. If people done the job that they were trained to do, and do it properly, then there would never be a need for these regulations. But people don't.........they are called cowboys or fly-by-nights. I am not saying that any of you are this but think about those that have been on the recieving end......they may have had to get someone in again or had to visit A&E or bury a loved one for shoddy workmanship.
How many of you have had shoddy work done and needed to call someone in again......regulations and accreditted schemes will not stop it completely but it will reduce the likelyhood and may prevent an unneccessary death.
All Health and Safety regulations are enacted because there is a requirement for them. People have been dying........When someone goes to work it is their basic human right to return home in the same state as when they went to work.
Do we really want to go back to the days when people died because of their work. Take a look around the ex-miners clubs or ask ex-asbestos workers.......would they have preferred more regulations or to have their uncurable respiratory ailments they have now.
Health & Safety is being used as a scapegoat of people who want to cut corners........save money.......and put the employees life in danger. Ask the spouse or kids of a victim whether H&S should have been followed. There are hundreds of deaths at work or in the home from poor H&S by companies..........do you really want to be another statistic so you can save a few quid.
Dave_Notts
have nothing against Health & Safety when in right context,but I think the new regs were badly drawn up, unworkable and need to be started again.
A far easy system would be to just let sparkies like me who are time served have a 16th edition and jib card only purchase electrical items -like in oz.
All the time b&q etc still selling bits,cowboys and unsafe diyers will still do work
b&q don't even know wiring colours have changed no info in store no info on part p
it's a big joke- half my jobs come from people watching changing rooms type progs and think they can do itself and cock it all up
I'm a spark, not a plumber or builder if I wanted some work done even I would get someone to do it who knows the job.
I didn't meen to start a thread that wean't this far and it's got a bit serious now
anyone like to lighten it a bit
lol
The regs seem to be changing over all electrical work, not just domestic.
The owners of the factory I work in HAVE to have any electrical work (except plugs) done by a qualified electrician....at the insistence of the insurance company....and most of the impetus for change is coming from them now.
The H&S mob are old-hat now, they're so busy looking up their own arses for sunlight that they are useless for H&S regulation.
Most of the safety improvements at my works have been done at the insistence of the insurers.
Check it out and then look at the accidents stats on the same page.
This thread has been moved to the plumbing and B&Q section.
I can see why gas needed new legislation... feck that up and you can potentially take out a tower block of people, screw lecky up and you take one person out at a time (fire excluded)
but having fully re-wired some of my house, quite frankly the "modernisation" that was originallly performed by the council circa 70s was far worse than even the most incompetant DIY'er could have done... not only did they leave half the rubber coated wires in the walls, they used non-covered join strips all over the place (you know little rubber bits with metal and 2 screws)
And dont even get me started on the thing that is jokingly called a fuse box with its crumbling bakerlite case, lol.
All we need now is a H&S law and certification for water plumbers incase someone bodges it up and drowns a cat and thats all 3 major services covered, lol.
All this said... i believe in some states in the US even the humble kitchen unit fitter has to be acredited and have a valid insurance and bond to do any work... sure cuts out on the cowboys!
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