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Workshy Mothers.....yes or no ?

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After all the talk and no action of this and past Governments, have they got this right this time?
For me this artical is bang on the money, and I feel that you should not get something for nothing.
The artical may not appeal to all but surely something should be done to either help or force these Mothers back into the workforce......What do others feel. Stay on topic please. wink
It will only work if the attitude of employers towards working mothers changes. If I have to have time off because my kids are sick then I don't expect to cop shit when I return to work!
(I have always worked btw it's an example)
opinion on the topic being posted here along with so many political threads:
tiresome.
lp
Nothing to say on the topic, but can I just point out that 'artical' is actually spelt "article".
My dictionary knows you know! Muahaaaa! :twisted:
Quote by __random_orbit__
opinion on the topic being posted here along with so many political threads:
tiresome.
lp

With respect I did say stay on topic. You do have a choice you know here, and that is very easy....Walk on by and do not comment. Simple really.
It is an issue that some may want to discuss, why do you always seem to have a problem with that??
I think that everyone should contribute in some way if they are on benefits. Charity work, visitors for the elderly, and other such things but in this instance I have to say I am astounded....
With all the companies in trouble and countless people being made redundant (my own job I found out on Friday is at risk) how the fuck do the Government expect single mothers to find a fucking job? And if they dont find a job they risk loosing their benefits?? :shock:
Where is the wanking emoticom because this is the stupidest idea they have come up with to date rolleyes
I think we should remember that not all women e.g single mums, those with disabled children etc. will be able to work full time or at all.
I dont have a problem with such individuals receiving extra help, thats what a civilised society is about.
What I do find unacceptable is those that can arrange child care, but choose not to and decide to live on benefits instead. sad
Quote by kentswingers777
opinion on the topic being posted here along with so many political threads:
tiresome.
lp

With respect I did say stay on topic. You do have a choice you know here, and that is very easy....Walk on by and do not comment. Simple really.
It is an issue that some may want to discuss, why do you always seem to have a problem with that??
i was, and remain on topic.
commenting on the content of a thread. No problem, merely opinion.
enjoy
lp
Quote by Shireen
I think that everyone should contribute in some way if they are on benefits. Charity work, visitors for the elderly, and other such things but in this instance I have to say I am astounded....
With all the companies in trouble and countless people being made redundant (my own job I found out on Friday is at risk) how the fuck do the Government expect single mothers to find a fucking job? And if they dont find a job they risk loosing their benefits?? :shock:
Where is the wanking emoticom because this is the stupidest idea they have come up with to date rolleyes

Totally agree with you - why now when in a recession and so many with threatened redundancies in the next year.
I was told recently by someone who works at Dept of Works an Pensions that they are taking on loads of extra staff over the next 6 months - training them up in preparation for the jobless figures going up.
Quote by anais
I think that everyone should contribute in some way if they are on benefits. Charity work, visitors for the elderly, and other such things but in this instance I have to say I am astounded....
With all the companies in trouble and countless people being made redundant (my own job I found out on Friday is at risk) how the fuck do the Government expect single mothers to find a fucking job? And if they dont find a job they risk loosing their benefits?? :shock:
Where is the wanking emoticom because this is the stupidest idea they have come up with to date rolleyes

Totally agree with you - why now when in a recession and so many with threatened redundancies in the next year.
I was told recently by someone who works at Dept of Works an Pensions that they are taking on loads of extra staff over the next 6 months - training them up in preparation for the jobless figures going up.
Isn't that the usual way to deal with a recession, put loads of people out of work?
Quote by Peanut
I think that everyone should contribute in some way if they are on benefits. Charity work, visitors for the elderly, and other such things but in this instance I have to say I am astounded....
With all the companies in trouble and countless people being made redundant (my own job I found out on Friday is at risk) how the fuck do the Government expect single mothers to find a fucking job? And if they dont find a job they risk loosing their benefits?? :shock:
Where is the wanking emoticom because this is the stupidest idea they have come up with to date rolleyes

Totally agree with you - why now when in a recession and so many with threatened redundancies in the next year.
I was told recently by someone who works at Dept of Works an Pensions that they are taking on loads of extra staff over the next 6 months - training them up in preparation for the jobless figures going up.
Isn't that the usual way to deal with a recession, put loads of people out of work?
Precisely... so why choose this moment in time to threaten taking away benefits from people who weren't working in the first place? If there are more people out of work, it stands to reason there are less jobs out there. The comment makes perfect sense to me dunno
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Isn't that the usual way to deal with a recession, put loads of people out of work?

Precisely... so why choose this moment in time to threaten taking away benefits from people who weren't working in the first place? If there are more people out of work, it stands to reason there are less jobs out there. The comment makes perfect sense to me dunno
Ahh, but the Government obviously wants their cake and to eat it too.
Some bright spark figured out that if they can make people unemployed AND pay them no benefit then they'll be quids in.
Just one more clue that New labour is actually a codename for Tory Lite.
Quote by Shireen
I think that everyone should contribute in some way if they are on benefits. Charity work, visitors for the elderly, and other such things but in this instance I have to say I am astounded....
With all the companies in trouble and countless people being made redundant (my own job I found out on Friday is at risk) how the fuck do the Government expect single mothers to find a fucking job? And if they dont find a job they risk loosing their benefits?? :shock:
Where is the wanking emoticom because this is the stupidest idea they have come up with to date rolleyes

I think your on the money Shireen :thumbup:
I do think that Governments use these sort of things to turn peoples heads because they are emotive and people are made by spin doctors to think how much each one of these people are costing the state.
I think that giving hundreds of billions of pounds to banks with the bosses of them still earning icomes in excess of, in some cases £2 - £3 milion quid a year or the fact that the Royal Mail congratulated itself on making £300 million pre-tax so are going to hand the odd director or two handsome bonuses. Ain't that nice seeing as they closed frigging thousands of Post offices and made thousands of people unemployed and a lot of people's lives more difficult in the process. Big hearts these financiers have got ain't they.
Lets stop picking on those that are less fortunate for once and start picking on the over earning tax evading bastards quick to divert attention away from themselves eh?
How much will all this stuff about income support save? Well as recession bites not a f*cking lot as there are a few no a lot of people going to be adding themselves to that number in the next two/three years. Even if the savings the Government want to make and i'm hearing from radio 4 pro that it could be as much as £60 million a year ! Well again f*ck me if i dont fall over in astonishment. The super rich and very rich in this country avoid £70 - £80 billions thats billionsa year in tax thats money due to the country not their wages, don't want that, just their fair wack of tax!. Lets instead pay a quarter of the staff, that will be used to smash the once again less fortunate over the heads with financial clubs, the same money to investigate rich persons tax fraud/evasion.
Let's stop f*cking over the poor for once. Remember the poor of society are the ones who die earlier have more health problems see less of the world and cost the country less than the richest do in hat they avoid paying.
O would like to see the idea of a constructive help not just making people suffer in reducing their incomes to a point where they are strugging to feed and clothe themselves and theirs properly.
13 years ago I didn't have a choice. I worked full time and had to pay a childminder out of my wages, but I had to work to pay my mortgage.
I was entitled to NOTHING as I worked. There was no Tax Credit of any kind and no financial assistance with childminding. I had no choice.
If, I had a 3 year old today, and I was entitled to Tax Credit, Child Credit and other benefits, would I choose to work part time or not at all and enjoy watching my baby grow up? Take her to school and spend time with her? Too right.
Shoot me down in flames but who can blame the single mothers for taking entitlement and staying at home with their bairns? dunno
And, as Shireen has quite rightly said, jobs? what jobs? :shock:
I personally think that the Government should leave single mothers alone until their children are of school age giving them the choice of whether they want to see their kids grow up or work, then, once the children are at school they should be warned, work or lose your benefits.
Some single mothers are single without it being their fault, I know I was one of them.
Quote by jaymar
13 years ago I didn't have a choice. I worked full time and had to pay a childminder out of my wages, but I had to work to pay my mortgage.
I was entitled to NOTHING as I worked. There was no Tax Credit of any kind and no financial assistance with childminding. I had no choice.
If, I had a 3 year old today, and I was entitled to Tax Credit, Child Credit and other benefits, would I choose to work part time or not at all and enjoy watching my baby grow up? Take her to school and spend time with her? Too right.
Shoot me down in flames but who can blame the single mothers for taking entitlement and staying at home with their bairns? dunno
And, as Shireen has quite rightly said, jobs? what jobs? :shock:
I personally think that the Government should leave single mothers alone until their children are of school age giving them the choice of whether they want to see their kids grow up or work, then, once the children are at school they should be warned, work or lose your benefits.
Some single mothers are single without it being their fault, I know I was one of them.

:thumbup:
Regardless of the fact that there are less and less jobs available to anyone right now with the highest unemployment figures for a long time, shouldn't they be targeting the workshy men instead?
I'm not talking of the family men who have worked for most of their adult life but been made redundant for whatever reason and finding it hard to get back into work but the ones who leave school at 15 or 16 with no qualifications and no aspirations to do anything with their lives. Council housing estates are full of them ( I know because I live in Chav Valley rolleyes ) and see the same men day after day spending their time either at the pub or the bookies ( Is it only working people who CAN'T afford to do this I wonder? :shock: )
Quote by Peanut


Isn't that the usual way to deal with a recession, put loads of people out of work?

Precisely... so why choose this moment in time to threaten taking away benefits from people who weren't working in the first place? If there are more people out of work, it stands to reason there are less jobs out there. The comment makes perfect sense to me dunno
Ahh, but the Government obviously wants their cake and to eat it too.
Some bright spark figured out that if they can make people unemployed AND pay them no benefit then they'll be quids in.
Just one more clue that New labour is actually a codename for Tory Lite.
I thought you had no comment on the topic? lol :lol: :lol: wink
I like people to have comments and opinions.....it is good for the forum.
Quote by jaymar
13 years ago I didn't have a choice. I worked full time and had to pay a childminder out of my wages, but I had to work to pay my mortgage.
I was entitled to NOTHING as I worked. There was no Tax Credit of any kind and no financial assistance with childminding. I had no choice.
If, I had a 3 year old today, and I was entitled to Tax Credit, Child Credit and other benefits, would I choose to work part time or not at all and enjoy watching my baby grow up? Take her to school and spend time with her? Too right.
Shoot me down in flames but who can blame the single mothers for taking entitlement and staying at home with their bairns? dunno
And, as Shireen has quite rightly said, jobs? what jobs? :shock:
I personally think that the Government should leave single mothers alone until their children are of school age giving them the choice of whether they want to see their kids grow up or work, then, once the children are at school they should be warned, work or lose your benefits.
Some single mothers are single without it being their fault, I know I was one of them.

Mar that is absolutly right.
I think when a child gets to 5 then something should be done.
I just want the likes of Karen Mathews...7 kids by 5 different Fathers, to be the ones forced to work. Never done a days work and not a jot of intention to work.
Those are the people I want targeted...the work shy Mothers, and there are thousands out there this morning at the local post offices. picking up their benefit money, for their fags and laughing at us all.
Quote by kentswingers777
After all the talk and no action of this and past Governments, have they got this right this time?
For me this artical is bang on the money, and I feel that you should not get something for nothing.
The artical may not appeal to all but surely something should be done to either help or force these Mothers back into the workforce......What do others feel. Stay on topic please. wink

I am in full support of that, too. In New Zealand, girls did often the same. Have a child or two and happily drain their living off tax payers. In Germany that doesn't quite work. While there are still means of getting by a working life, it takes a bit more than raising a child or two.
The effects of what he is proposing can back-fire in a way. You may see more native UK citizens NOT having children and immigrants contributing a higher percentage to population growth, which is what takes place in Germany. However, leaving children as an excuse for not working isn't really an option. You potentially risk one parasite raising another -> "It works for me child, try it."
Well Shireen has just lost her job so lets see how long she has to search to get a job and how long it will be before she is labeled a work shy parent....
Hehe bad Steve. There is a big difference between those who actually want to work and those who don't bother trying. ;)
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Hehe bad Steve. There is a big difference between those who actually want to work and those who don't bother trying. ;)

Hehe ??
I fail to see anything funny ....
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Hehe ??
I fail to see anything funny ....

The only funny part was the 'bad Steve' because, assuming you read the article, you conveniently omitted that the author distinguishes between those willing to work to set a good example of work ethics for their children and those who do not try. According to your words, your partner is going to try, so she clearly does not fall in the work-shy category. You are right assuming that some people may label her as such if she doesn't find work fast but you can always defeat that with 'she is trying'. ;)
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Hehe ??
I fail to see anything funny ....

The only funny part was the 'bad Steve' because, assuming you read the article, you conveniently omitted that the author distinguishes between those willing to work to set a good example of work ethics for their children and those who do not try. According to your words, your partner is going to try, so she clearly does not fall in the work-shy category.You are right assuming that some people may label her as such if she doesn't find work fast but you can always defeat that with 'she is trying'. ;)
Knowing some peoples attitudes and viewpoints then I would say its a given....
It was not my intention to be snappy with you and if I was I appologise ...
No worries, I am used to it. :shock: lol
I understand peoples views on making even more people unemployed, when job losses are on the increase but.... I believe that if you are out of work ( not the disabled people ) and able to work, then you should be either found a job or do community work for your money.
We have a benefit culture now where people have seen their parents in that position, and they feel they can carry on in the same way.
It just is not right where someboday who can work is allowed to stay on the benefit gravy train for years and years.
This is something that happened to a friend of my ex's. She had not done a days work and at 17 had her first child. She then had a further two. Her Husband had long since gone and she spent the next God knows how many years getting her benefits. When her youngest child reached 16, they said she now had to find work or have her benfits cut. Guess what? She found a job as a Doctors receptionist, within two weeks.
It was always a case with her, not can't work, but don't want to, and as someone rightly said " why should she have had too ". As Governments made it too easy for her.
We have bred a whole generation of benefit people, who can work but we don't force them too. There are always exceptions to everything, and I would hate for genuine people who cannot work, be forced too. That is not right. Just target the work shy, and get them to do something for their money. When a child goes to school they have 5 hours where they COULD do something to help someone.
It is a nightmare scenario, but somebody has to tackle this sick benefit culture we find ourselves in. We are running out of money and those that can contribute, bloody well should be made too.
Quote by kentswingers777
I understand peoples views on making even more people unemployed, when job losses are on the increase but.... I believe that if you are out of work ( not the disabled people ) and able to work, then you should be either found a job or do community work for your money.
We have a benefit culture now where people have seen their parents in that position, and they feel they can carry on in the same way.
It just is not right where someboday who can work is allowed to stay on the benefit gravy train for years and years.
This is something that happened to a friend of my ex's. She had not done a days work and at 17 had her first child. She then had a further two. Her Husband had long since gone and she spent the next God knows how many years getting her benefits. When her youngest child reached 16, they said she now had to find work or have her benfits cut. Guess what? She found a job as a Doctors receptionist, within two weeks.
It was always a case with her, not can't work, but don't want to, and as someone rightly said " why should she have had too ". As Governments made it too easy for her.
We have bred a whole generation of benefit people, who can work but we don't force them too. There are always exceptions to everything, and I would hate for genuine people who cannot work, be forced too. That is not right. Just target the work shy, and get them to do something for their money. When a child goes to school they have 5 hours where they COULD do something to help someone.
It is a nightmare scenario, but somebody has to tackle this sick benefit culture we find ourselves in. We are running out of money and those that can contribute, bloody well should be made too.

Good post and I second that :thumbup:
Why should I work, if Polish are coming over here doing our work, paying taxes for me to pick up my dole?
Because I am not a lazy scrounger. I know a couple of Polish workers. They think we are mad to pay people money to nothing, but they are happy to take to work, and good on them.
It takes 2 parents to make children, why pick on just one?
Think you seem to forget that a lot of single mums have no experience, a lot being in long term relationships or married where the husband/father was working and supporting them all, its ok saying lets force them into work but are we also going to force employers to employ them, given they have no experience working? Especially when there are another 30 or so people applied for the vacancy that does have the experience, just wished it was all as black and white as that.
We all know there’s people out there who sponge off our benefits system, but this is not a scheme intended to weed out the spongers, its nothing more than an opportunity to pick on one section of our society, funnily enough the weakest, next they’ll be saying we should never retire and work till we die so they can cut the benefits bill more.
Whether you agree or not kent the fact is that if most of these single mums did get a job they would be entitled to more benefits than they get now as help with child minders and working tax credits would double or triple the benefit they receive at present.
So the question is, do we want to cut our annual spending bill, or do we want to cut unemployment figures because we cant have both and unfortunately cutting the unemployment figures costs us more.
Quote by kentswingers777


Isn't that the usual way to deal with a recession, put loads of people out of work?

Precisely... so why choose this moment in time to threaten taking away benefits from people who weren't working in the first place? If there are more people out of work, it stands to reason there are less jobs out there. The comment makes perfect sense to me dunno
Ahh, but the Government obviously wants their cake and to eat it too.
Some bright spark figured out that if they can make people unemployed AND pay them no benefit then they'll be quids in.
Just one more clue that New labour is actually a codename for Tory Lite.
I thought you had no comment on the topic? lol :lol: :lol: wink
I like people to have comments and opinions.....it is good for the forum.
I didn't at the time as I hadn't read the article you'd linked to. When I posted the above I'd read both the article and some of the other comments posted.
So the government want there to be less of a drain on its finances, by forcing people to work, who are using the system.
I'm in agreement, however, it is like bringing in a congestion charge before tackling the transport situation.
Before forcing people to take jobs to get them off the benefits system, would I be wrong in thinking that one way of doing that would be to deport anyone who does not have the right to work, to deport any foreign national resident who commits a serious crime, and to punish employers using cheap illegal labour?