Would you class this as sexual assault?

30 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool

Ah so she lay down with a funnel in her mouth and allowed others to go at it then?
Based on probability she drank herself into a stupor. Though you will notice the use of "allow" as opposed to "get"? You "allow" yourself to get into predicaments when you don't take precautions, or are you telling me she most likely took precautions and ended up in that state anyway?
So no, it doesn't contradict anything I've said. I will leave things like that to experts such as yourself.
PS I've highlighted pertinent wording in case you miss them.
BEHAVE both of you mad

30 Nov 2008

Yes I would class it as assult, to be violated in such a way is sickening. How anyone could find it funny is beyond me.

30 Nov 2008

Whatever happened to the gentlemen of the world? Those who would find a girl in such a situation, clear the twats out of the way, make sure the girl was decent, find her friend and make sure she a) got medical attention or home?
dunno

It's okay standing back and taking the moral high ground about "she shouldn't allow herself to get compromised" but sometimes the situation is out of our hands (illness, drink spiked, bad reaction) and comments like "hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time" are disgusting and appear to be along the same lines of thinking "if a woman wears a short skirt she's asking for it!". And it's the people who think this way that perpetuates the behaviour, see it as all "lads together" "well she was asking for it".
These acts leave deep seated emotional scars on the victims but they seem to be vilified.
I wonder how we would feel if it had been a member of the swinging community? Would a) the victim be vilified in such a manner and b) would the perpetrator still be welcome?

30 Nov 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool

Ah so she lay down with a funnel in her mouth and allowed others to go at it then?
Based on probability she drank herself into a stupor. Though you will notice the use of "allow" as opposed to "get"? You "allow" yourself to get into predicaments when you don't take precautions, or are you telling me she most likely took precautions and ended up in that state anyway?
So no, it doesn't contradict anything I've said. I will leave things like that to experts such as yourself.
PS I've highlighted pertinent wording in case you miss them.
BEHAVE both of you mad

Yes miss. xx

30 Nov 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool

Ah so she lay down with a funnel in her mouth and allowed others to go at it then?
Based on probability she drank herself into a stupor. Though you will notice the use of "allow" as opposed to "get"? You "allow" yourself to get into predicaments when you don't take precautions, or are you telling me she most likely took precautions and ended up in that state anyway?
So no, it doesn't contradict anything I've said. I will leave things like that to experts such as yourself.
PS I've highlighted pertinent wording in case you miss them.
BEHAVE both of you mad

Save it for your genuine pupils.

30 Nov 2008

Quote by splendid_
I think it is is disgusting that it could be classed as amusing by the people/person who arranged her clothing or did worse.
I think it is disgusting that anyone else would think she was culpable.
If I was unconscious in the middle of the road with a sign that said 'please fuck me senseless and take photo's' it wouldn't give anyone the right to take advantage of the fact that I was not actually able to give my consent to anything.
My body is still my own and consent must explicitly be given for anyone to touch it.
If I was her mother then I would be educating her on sensible behaviour but that would not excuse whomever did that to her. At all. Ever.
I would then seek out everyone at the party to determine who saw/did what.
I am sure that the young woman is terrified as the unknown is an awful place for one's mind to go. I would be looking for answers to help her get over the event.
The whole situation stinks.

Well said. :thumbup:

30 Nov 2008

i feel sorry for the girl ...beer party sex all good ....but not if the pics are not with consent she was abused

1 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool

Ah so she lay down with a funnel in her mouth and allowed others to go at it then?
Based on probability she drank herself into a stupor. Though you will notice the use of "allow" as opposed to "get"? You "allow" yourself to get into predicaments when you don't take precautions, or are you telling me she most likely took precautions and ended up in that state anyway?
So no, it doesn't contradict anything I've said. I will leave things like that to experts such as yourself.
PS I've highlighted pertinent wording in case you miss them.
BEHAVE both of you mad

Save it for your genuine pupils.
I'm guessing her pupils are better behaved! wink

1 Dec 2008

I agree with splendid.
I confess however that both my teenagers have been taught basic "party " skills to make the risk of them being victims of such assaults less.

1 Dec 2008

Quote by Dirtygirlie
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool

Ah so she lay down with a funnel in her mouth and allowed others to go at it then?
Based on probability she drank herself into a stupor. Though you will notice the use of "allow" as opposed to "get"? You "allow" yourself to get into predicaments when you don't take precautions, or are you telling me she most likely took precautions and ended up in that state anyway?
So no, it doesn't contradict anything I've said. I will leave things like that to experts such as yourself.
PS I've highlighted pertinent wording in case you miss them.
BEHAVE both of you mad

Save it for your genuine pupils.
I'm guessing her pupils are better behaved! wink

Immaterial really.

2 Dec 2008

Quote by browning
I would'nt say assault, but deffo go to the police.

not really much point going to the police is there, can't remember most of the night, can't remember passing out and having the pics taken, has no idea who took it, tho i agree it should'nt have happened in all honestly what do you expect the police to do?

2 Dec 2008

Quote by naughtynymphos1
I would'nt say assault, but deffo go to the police.

not really much point going to the police is there, can't remember most of the night, can't remember passing out and having the pics taken, has no idea who took it, tho i agree it should'nt have happened in all honestly what do you expect the police to do?
I doubt there is much to be done, but it's always worth reporting as you don't always know what else went off at said party! There could have been a spate of these incidents where the police actually have evidence against someone dunno

3 Dec 2008

I know, not going to get anywhere with the police.
Hopefully it might make those with said 'lad mentality' think twice about the consequences of their actions when looking for an 'esy shag' though.

3 Dec 2008

Doubtful the people responsible would be on this site to read this.
Dave_Notts

3 Dec 2008

I would say at best someone was miss-guided and gave her a warning of what may have happened, but then again perhaps it did happen! Does she have a phone/account that allows the pic to be sent?
The question of assault, yes it could be anything for common assault to .
..and yes she was a foul to get in that state, but that does not reduce the responsibility of who ever did it.
Travis

3 Dec 2008

Quote by
I would say at best someone was miss-guided and gave her a warning of what may have happened, but then again perhaps it did happen! Does she have a phone/account that allows the pic to be sent?
The question of assault, yes it could be anything for common assault to .
..and yes she was a fool to get in that state, but that does not reduce the responsibility of who ever did it.
Travis

If it was drink and not something dropped into it, that would add another charge.

3 Dec 2008

I cant see any evidence of any offence here...
and the statute books are brimming thesedays with new types of offence that didnt exist before but will have you on the Sex Offenders Register quicker than you could believe.
Putting aside my view that the the "victim" was "drunk and incapable"....I have real sympathy for people who get into "blackout" through alcohol... they can end up in all sorts of bother.
im not saying nothing happened to her... but you cant go "convicting" people of serious allegations when the victim cant even tell you what happened and there is no direct physical evidence..... only blackout and fear.
Indirectly, the girl has accused every person of that party of impropriety....a little harsh when all that might have happened is the "crashed out" and mistakenly pressed the shutter switch on her about jumping to conclusions.
If I was investigating this, i would say The photograph is the main clue ...
She should have gone straight to Hospital and been screened for sexual assault.
apart from that, without talking to every person at the party, any investigators hands would be tied.
beware jumping to such conclusions I say.....