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Would you class this as sexual assault?

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:shock: I have just been told a story by my friend, about her friend.
The girl in question had been at a party and has since discovered a picture of herself on her camera phone, that she has no recollection of being taken.
In the picture she appears as if she has passed out in a dark room, and she has her top pulled down and her skirt pushed up.
She has absolutely no recollection of this, no idea of who could have taken the picture, but knows that she was so drunk that she couldn't remember most of the party. At best, it was folk messing about, at worst, well, she doesn't even want to think about it....
Although i don;t know her, I'm told she's a very shy girl, who would never willingly have so much on show, which i think is what makes this worse.
So what do you think?
A comment from another male particularly shocked me, who laughed, and said 'that's what she gets for getting in such a state'
IMO this is a form of assault not a prank gone wrong.
I can't understand how anyone could laugh.
Did she get what she deserved for getting so drunk?
Quote by mazandden
Did she get what she deserved for getting so drunk?

no.
she was abused.
and whoever took the picyure, be it a 'friend' should out the poor woman out of her misery as to the circumstances.
she must be in a terrible state at the moment.
lp
I find this kind of thing completely reprehensible. At best it is the sickest of jokes and at worst yes, clearly assault.
Drunk or not, she has been abused.
OMG thats awful.....the poor girl, she must be beside herself with worry......how dare they do that to her, how they think its in the least bit funny is beyond me :shock: mad
That is sexual assault in my book and the picture taker (if different from the one who messed with her clothing) are both as guilty as one another.
Disgusting behaviour.
Well, just glad that this is how everyone else sees it- I couldn't believe it when i heard someone thought it was funny!
I hope to god nothing else happened to her, but i have heard of much worse than this!
M xx
Was no one 'looking out ' for her?
I've been to parties where someone is out for the count, normally drunk and someone has normally looked out for them, ie kept people away etc.
I think what has happened to this person is well out of order.
makes me want to weep for her....alsorts must be going through her head....and all for 'a bit of a laugh'....
not good at all sad
I'd be straight to the GUM clinic and then there's the wait for resullts, the inevitable traumatic wait to see if she comes on the next month and then pregnancy test if she's a day late... So-called 'jokes' have such potentially awful consequences. Bet the dickheads that did it never thought of all that did they. rolleyes
Would anyone sleep with someone that clearly that drunk?
It worries me that a lot of lads think a drunk girl is an easy target...
Have you ever been so drunk that you regretted something like that?
Luckily, to my knowledge i have never been that bad, but i know plenty of friends who do have regrets and also memory blanks from nights out...
Bloody hell Maz, that's disgusting. I'd agree that it was assault - pretty sure she wouldn't have agreed to it if she'd been sober.
One of my daughter's friends got drunk, someone took pictures of her (using her 'phone) then sent them to people in her address book on her own 'phone. That's the same thing - and definitely assault.
Some bloody low-life scum out there who do these things, eh?
Everyone assumes that this girl was drunk. Last year my own daughter was at a West midlands club when some low life administered a drug. Fortunately for her one of the bouncers who knew her saw what was happening and contacted us straight away.
When I arrived at the club she appeared to be drunk and her legs had collapsed under her. She remembers nothing of what happened beforehand.
There is every possibility that this girl was given a similar drug.
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.
I would'nt say assault, but deffo go to the police.
I don't know if it's assault but it's a horrible violation.
I can't quite say 'poor her' though if she got herself too drunk to know what she was doing.
The accepting attitude to alcohol abuse in our society baffles me.
Quote by TheLovelyOne
I don't know if it's assault but it's a horrible violation.
I can't quite say 'poor her' though if she got herself too drunk to know what she was doing.
The accepting attitude to alcohol abuse in our society baffles me.

Hmmmm... part of me understands where you are coming from but also I think it is usually pretty obvious when someone is 'out of it' and therefore anyone who takes advantage of someone in that state is abusing and taking advantage of them.
it's very unfortunate for the person concerned and if it was me i'd be rightly concerned, from a legal position tho it'd be very difficult to prove unless there was a witness prepared to come forward.
in todays society - where most of us are on a camera of some sort for most of the day one's personal privacy is invaded constantly
Quote by noladreams30
I don't know if it's assault but it's a horrible violation.
I can't quite say 'poor her' though if she got herself too drunk to know what she was doing.
The accepting attitude to alcohol abuse in our society baffles me.

Hmmmm... part of me understands where you are coming from but also I think it is usually pretty obvious when someone is 'out of it' and therefore anyone who takes advantage of someone in that state is abusing and taking advantage of them.
What the person did was disgusting and if found should be done by the police.
However, the sentiments of the TheLovelyOne do ring true in my head as well. Taking away the possibility that it was a drug that was administered and it was just alcohol that had her in that state. Why did she go to a party when god-knows who was there and got into such a state that she was not able to know what was happening to her? People have to start taking responsibility for their own actions. It is not acceptable or excusable because someone is drunk, but the person is stripping themelves of all their defences in an arena that is not safe.
I wouldn't tie half a dead dolphin to my back and go swimming off the Great Barrier Reef. It would be my right to do that but if a Great White shark appeared and bit my arse off then who should we blame? The shark or me or both?
If you do not want to be bit..........then be sensible.
Do not drink to excess, have a designated driver (who doubles up as lookout for you), stay in your groups, do not leave uncovered drinks, anytime you start feeling woozy for no reason then tell your pals.
Dave_Notts
I take it the girl was not drinking alone. Where were her friends? Did they leave her somewhere alone? How did she get to where the pictures were taken? Was it in the middle of the party, or was it away from others? If it was away, did nobody notice someone carrying away a drunk girl?
TBH every case has it's grey areas, but my personal moral compass points to this being wrong and I'd hope that no-one I knew would get involved in anything like this.
I also think that there are a lot of situations that are not black or white and when people are under the influence their normal behaviour can change dramatically.
Without taking into account the alcohol, there is a section of society who's moral compass is screwed and as these people aren't always easy to recognise, it's safer to assume in a group that there will always be a percentage that will take opportunities that are presented of whatever nature they may be and not allow yourself to become an easy target.
While I do sympathise with her situation, I do feel that she does need to take some responsibility for getting into that drunken a state when there are people who are unknown quantities around her.
Bottom line: Assault? Probably. Chances of discovering a) who did it (if it's not already known) and b) getting any justice - sod all due to her choice to drink until unconsciousness IMO.
Not a nice way to learn that there's a contemptible section of society or others that have difficulties controlling themselves when drunk. sad :shakeshead:
I'm with you on the drunk thing- I would never get myself in such a state, or i would hope i wouldn't.
What I find appalling is that someone can laugh at this.
Yes, she was stupid to get in that state, but does that mean she was asking for it?
As i said, I don't know the girl, i don't know the situation or any other facts other than in the original post.
What I do know is its an all too common occurence.
I think it often comes down to the 'lad mentality', another notch on the bedpost, with as little effort as possible to get an easy shag.
Silly drunk girl gets what's coming to her?
Would anyone thinkit fair game to sleep with someone that drunk that you couldn't be sure of consent?
Quote by mazandden
Would anyone thinkit fair game to sleep with someone that drunk that you couldn't be sure of consent?

Or sure of the photo not being staged.
You said you do not know the girl and are only hearing this all second hand.
Some people laugh at different things. There was a post from ages ago about what people laugh at. It is their way to deal with adversity and unpleasant situations. Not everyone is the same, so some will show disgust at something that happens to their friend but won't show any emotion to someone who is unknown to them.
Dave_Notts
ps I think the post was at the time of the Tsunami disaster in the far east
totally discusting no body has the right to do touch any body with out consent
Quote by northeastcoupleuk
totally discusting no body has the right to do touch any body with out consent

Is this to this thread or the organ transplant thread or both? lol
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
totally discusting no body has the right to do touch any body with out consent

Is this to this thread or the organ transplant thread or both? lol
Dave_Nottsin reference to ya curry :lol:
Quote by northeastcoupleuk
totally discusting no body has the right to do touch any body with out consent

Is this to this thread or the organ transplant thread or both? lol
Dave_Nottsin reference to ya curry :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dave_Notts
Quote by Peanut
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool
Quote by kentswingers777
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool
Ah so she lay down with a funnel in her mouth and allowed others to go at it then?
Based on probability she drank herself into a stupor. Though you will notice the use of "allow" as opposed to "get"? You "allow" yourself to get into predicaments when you don't take precautions, or are you telling me she most likely took precautions and ended up in that state anyway?
So no, it doesn't contradict anything I've said. I will leave things like that to experts such as yourself.
PS I've highlighted pertinent wording in case you miss them.
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I think it is is disgusting that it could be classed as amusing by the people/person who arranged her clothing or did worse.
I think it is disgusting that anyone else would think she was culpable.
If I was unconscious in the middle of the road with a sign that said 'please fuck me senseless and take photo's' it wouldn't give anyone the right to take advantage of the fact that I was not actually able to give my consent to anything.
My body is still my own and consent must explicitly be given for anyone to touch it.
If I was her mother then I would be educating her on sensible behaviour but that would not excuse whomever did that to her. At all. Ever.
I would then seek out everyone at the party to determine who saw/did what.
I am sure that the young woman is terrified as the unknown is an awful place for one's mind to go. I would be looking for answers to help her get over the event.
The whole situation stinks.
Quote by Peanut
Definitely assault and probably worth having a word with Plod about.
It should also be a wake-up call for the girl involved. Hopefully she won't allow herself to get into such a predicament next time.

With respect not everything in life is as black and white as that. :shock: That statement seems to contradict other things you have said.
Just an observational point. cool
Ah so she lay down with a funnel in her mouth and allowed others to go at it then?
Based on probability she drank herself into a stupor. Though you will notice the use of "allow" as opposed to "get"? You "allow" yourself to get into predicaments when you don't take precautions, or are you telling me she most likely took precautions and ended up in that state anyway?
So no, it doesn't contradict anything I've said. I will leave things like that to experts such as yourself.
PS I've highlighted pertinent wording in case you miss them.
With respect, If you say so.
It is disgusting :shock: and yes i would think it is assault
Tan