Seeing as the majority of people are gearing up for maniac season ... anyone not taking part in Xmas??? (for whatever reason!)
Let non Xmas idiots unite and stand up tall against the chaos ..... you know the season of peace and goodwill to all unless of course you don't celebrate for one reason or another in which case peace and goodwill go out the window and in steps namecalling and intolerance .....
Now a more serious message
Christmas is a not a joyous time for everyone ..please bear this in mind ... whilst you're busy stuffing your faces and excessing .... think of those single and/orelderly people .... think of all those enduring painand suffering, missing loved ones who are absent or have passed on in the last year. Share a thought for all those laid up seriously ill, for the families of xmas alcoholics struggling to cope. For all those in debt, lost or homeless.
For all the people displaced from families and countries due to war or persecution.
Call them scrooge ... shout Bah Humbug to them and feel good about yourselves?
In a country where religious freedom is a pride, it shames me to see people criticising others for their beliefs ...
We do celebrate a form of xmas here ... very small and peaceful, we spend time with our families and the gifts we give are more about love and understanding than monetary value. Our christmas this year will be sent comforting a very sick old man who lost his wife of 50 years last xmas eve - decorations and gift feel inappropriate. We'll be nursing a child with cancer who is still seriously ill, unbrainwashing our children that xmas is christs b'day and teaching them about the real roots of the festival, but trying at the same time to instill values of peace and goodwill to all men.
Calista xx
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How how true............
We don't normally get into the sprit of christmas untill the 21st of Dec as that is our anniversary. At work so many people say Bah Humbug etc etc........boring old fart etc, but for us we like to celebrate things in order and we normally celebrate our anniversary by putting up our christmas tree.
However this year things are different, as on the 21st we shall be attending my Father-in-Law's Funeral.
So this is one anniversary/christmas that we won't forget.
M xx
We don't normally get into the sprit of christmas untill the 21st of Dec as that is our anniversary. At work so many people say Bah Humbug etc etc........boring old fart etc, but for us we like to celebrate things in order and we normally celebrate our anniversary by putting up our christmas tree.
However this year things are different, as on the 21st we shall be attending my Father-in-Law's Funeral.
So this is one anniversary/christmas that we won't forget.
M xx
Calista,
That's very interesting as an alternative point of view. I love Christmas, the food etc, although I could like most do with far less commercialism. However it does seem a bit silly that so many people go through the motions with regard to it being about giving... yet all they do is spend the day with their families, & ignore others who are in real need.
A neighbour of my parents has just lost her mother to cancer (we think, yet to be confirmed), & she is also facing heart surgery because of a leaking heart valve. The poor worman was told of her mother's cancer & her own condition all within a couple of days last week. If the mother has, as we think, died, at least she didn't suffer too much, but it isn't a happy time for them.
As you have said, your family has its own problems, but hopefully you will still manage to have a good time.
That's very interesting as an alternative point of view. I love Christmas, the food etc, although I could like most do with far less commercialism. However it does seem a bit silly that so many people go through the motions with regard to it being about giving... yet all they do is spend the day with their families, & ignore others who are in real need.
A neighbour of my parents has just lost her mother to cancer (we think, yet to be confirmed), & she is also facing heart surgery because of a leaking heart valve. The poor worman was told of her mother's cancer & her own condition all within a couple of days last week. If the mother has, as we think, died, at least she didn't suffer too much, but it isn't a happy time for them.
As you have said, your family has its own problems, but hopefully you will still manage to have a good time.
Warming the Bed
Quote by Calista
Seeing as the majority of people are gearing up for maniac season ... anyone not taking part in Xmas??? (for whatever reason!)
Let non Xmas idiots unite and stand up tall against the chaos ..... you know the season of peace and goodwill to all unless of course you don't celebrate for one reason or another in which case peace and goodwill go out the window and in steps namecalling and intolerance .....
Now a more serious message
Christmas is a not a joyous time for everyone ..please bear this in mind ... whilst you're busy stuffing your faces and excessing .... think of those single and/orelderly people .... think of all those enduring painand suffering, missing loved ones who are absent or have passed on in the last year. Share a thought for all those laid up seriously ill, for the families of xmas alcoholics struggling to cope. For all those in debt, lost or homeless.
For all the people displaced from families and countries due to war or persecution.
Call them scrooge ... shout Bah Humbug to them and feel good about yourselves?
In a country where religious freedom is a pride, it shames me to see people criticising others for their beliefs ...
We do celebrate a form of xmas here ... very small and peaceful, we spend time with our families and the gifts we give are more about love and understanding than monetary value. Our christmas this year will be sent comforting a very sick old man who lost his wife of 50 years last xmas eve - decorations and gift feel inappropriate. We'll be nursing a child with cancer who is still seriously ill, unbrainwashing our children that xmas is christs b'day and teaching them about the real roots of the festival, but trying at the same time to instill values of peace and goodwill to all men.
Calista xx
(a tad pissed off )
I can't agree more. How can these people who say they are "religious" be so selfish at Xmas. And yes if you do believe in the Jesus thing then you're even sadder!!
as my beliefs swing more towards the earth, i celebrate the winter solstice more than i do christmas, but as my wife and family are christian, i do have some part in that as well, i do not belive any religion should be forced on anyone, as the way christmas is, but having a time to celebrate is good. but yes, please bear in mind those who are not as fortunate as ourselves.
that said enjoy this time of year ....whatever your beliefs
that said enjoy this time of year ....whatever your beliefs
Warming the Bed
Since becoming a student almost five years ago money has been really tight, so I told people, family etc that I would not be buying Christmas presents as it seems silly to buy things that people probably did not want with money that I did not have. People are put under pressure at this time of year to spend what they do not have and then spend the rest of the year trying to get back on a financial level only for it to happen again.
As for it being a religious thing I think that it is no longer that, it is simply a time for giving and receiving. We need to get back to basics and see Christmas as a time to think of people who are worse off than you are, but this does not simply mean sending a card; it is something that should happen all year round and should be part of simple human nature but from what I read on this site most of the contributors already have that way of thinking. This is maybe the swingers mentality as we are always giving pleasure to others before ourselves so what is needed is for us to go out and spread the word
Be nice to people.
As for it being a religious thing I think that it is no longer that, it is simply a time for giving and receiving. We need to get back to basics and see Christmas as a time to think of people who are worse off than you are, but this does not simply mean sending a card; it is something that should happen all year round and should be part of simple human nature but from what I read on this site most of the contributors already have that way of thinking. This is maybe the swingers mentality as we are always giving pleasure to others before ourselves so what is needed is for us to go out and spread the word
Be nice to people.
i must be a right misery 'cos i've always hated Christmas.
this year will be spent at home alone - well, me and my Tia Maria.
My daughter has chosen to spend the day with her dad and tbh it's a blessing. I feel crappy at this time of year anyway, but after recent events I really can't handle spending a whole day with a forced grin on my face playing happy families with people I could cheerfully strangle the rest of the year round.
Having said that, I do like the excuse to eat loads, watch hours and hours of movies and sleep through the Queen's speech.
this year will be spent at home alone - well, me and my Tia Maria.
My daughter has chosen to spend the day with her dad and tbh it's a blessing. I feel crappy at this time of year anyway, but after recent events I really can't handle spending a whole day with a forced grin on my face playing happy families with people I could cheerfully strangle the rest of the year round.
Having said that, I do like the excuse to eat loads, watch hours and hours of movies and sleep through the Queen's speech.
It is a very good point of view to put what makes me love christmas sooo much is seeing the joy on my childrens faces it is purely magical and wouldnt want to miss that for all the world.
As for religion i myself am not religios so my kids can learn about all that from nursey and school.
This time of year always makes me think of the less as we have as many troubles as everyone else then i enjoy this time of year even more as it makes me realise exactly what ive and i always watch Eastenders on christmas day as i really cheer myself up seeing all the misery elsewhere
As for religion i myself am not religios so my kids can learn about all that from nursey and school.
This time of year always makes me think of the less as we have as many troubles as everyone else then i enjoy this time of year even more as it makes me realise exactly what ive and i always watch Eastenders on christmas day as i really cheer myself up seeing all the misery elsewhere
Warming the Bed
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It is a very good point of view to put what makes me love christmas sooo much is seeing the joy on my childrens faces it is purely magical and wouldnt want to miss that for all the world.
As for religion i myself am not religios so my kids can learn about all that from nursey and school.
This time of year always makes me think of the less as we have as many troubles as everyone else then i enjoy this time of year even more as it makes me realise exactly what ive and i always watch Eastenders on christmas day as i really cheer myself up seeing all the misery elsewhere
Thinking of the less fortunate is admirable, doing something about it is better.
Before anybody starts, I'll be doing the soup run in Bath for all the homeless people, most of whom are just kids!
:yinyang: Warming the Bed
It is not hating Christmasi am promoting it is hating what Christmas has become. I agree that there is nothing better than the look on a childs face when they open presents and get that long wanted toy but the ideals of the festive time do not last long enough.......usually until the credit card bill comes in
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i'm meant to be spending xmas in cornwall, but not looking forward to it. (long story!). would ratehr stay at home and put my feet up and relax all day and not worry about a thing. the rest of the world is doing xmas. i'm sure they won't notice me skipiing it for once
JGL
I'm from Cornwall originally!
Which area? Although i guess you have to be a bit vague -can't be too careful!!
Mxxx
A couple of people have asked me why I started this thread ....
I was verbally abused over my views on xmas ... apparently I rob my children of the magic of childhood and a few lies never hurt anyone ...
I actually disagree with this .. my children don't need to be lied to in order to have a magical childhood.
Last year my 6 yr old was removed from a classroom because she disagreed with what the teacher was teaching, (jesus wasn't born in dec) she was neither rude nor argumentative. I can't believe that a full grown person would be threatened by the truth .. albeit from a youngster .. what sort of impression does that leave.
I have nothing against religion, christmas or other people opinions as a while I just don't see why "my" life should be spent perpetuating a lie and struggle to get on with things because the whole country is obssessing for two months for a two day festival.
Apologies to anyone I've offended but the next person to call me scrooge (in real life) I really will take offense at!
C xx
I was verbally abused over my views on xmas ... apparently I rob my children of the magic of childhood and a few lies never hurt anyone ...
I actually disagree with this .. my children don't need to be lied to in order to have a magical childhood.
Last year my 6 yr old was removed from a classroom because she disagreed with what the teacher was teaching, (jesus wasn't born in dec) she was neither rude nor argumentative. I can't believe that a full grown person would be threatened by the truth .. albeit from a youngster .. what sort of impression does that leave.
I have nothing against religion, christmas or other people opinions as a while I just don't see why "my" life should be spent perpetuating a lie and struggle to get on with things because the whole country is obssessing for two months for a two day festival.
Apologies to anyone I've offended but the next person to call me scrooge (in real life) I really will take offense at!
C xx
I haven't sent out any xmas cards and have no intentions of doing so. If people don't keep in contact throughout the rest of the year, why bother now at xmas?
I do, however see xmas as a time for kids. Kinda like *childrens day*. After all, we do have mother's day and father's day. And oh the delight on their little faces, who can resist?
I only buy a few small things for my kids and for my close friend's children. And that's it. I don't pander to commercial trade. I don't eat roast turkey or sprouts so don't even go there.
This year does feel kinda bah humbug for me, but that's only because I don't have my kids for xmas this year
I don't have an extended family (they all dis-owned me in my teens) and all my mates will be busy with there families. So this year xmas is just another day. 
I do, however see xmas as a time for kids. Kinda like *childrens day*. After all, we do have mother's day and father's day. And oh the delight on their little faces, who can resist?
I only buy a few small things for my kids and for my close friend's children. And that's it. I don't pander to commercial trade. I don't eat roast turkey or sprouts so don't even go there.
This year does feel kinda bah humbug for me, but that's only because I don't have my kids for xmas this year
I don't have an extended family (they all dis-owned me in my teens) and all my mates will be busy with there families. So this year xmas is just another day. Quote by Elissamay
i'm meant to be spending xmas in cornwall, but not looking forward to it. (long story!). would ratehr stay at home and put my feet up and relax all day and not worry about a thing. the rest of the world is doing xmas. i'm sure they won't notice me skipiing it for once
JGL
I'm from Cornwall originally!
Which area? Although i guess you have to be a bit vague -can't be too careful!!
Mxxx
travelling across the moors to a little place that is called Bodmin. its a nice little village.
it not casue of where it is i dont want to go, its becasue a certain member of my family that will be there and i don't wanna go ruining the weekend by kicking off.
JGL
Quote by Calista
Let non Xmas idiots unite and stand up tall against the chaos ..... you know the season of peace and goodwill to all unless of course you don't celebrate for one reason or another in which case peace and goodwill go out the window and in steps namecalling and intolerance .....
I am sorry you had that reaction Calista, as a Christian myself I think you should be totally allowed your views, and your beliefs. I know that the date for Christmas is most likely wrong, but in the church calendar it is a time chosen to celebrate Christs birth, at the end of the day it is a time to remember, the date is less important than remembering for Christians (IMHO).
However you are so right about how we forget the world outside our own windows while supposedly thinking of our fellow man. How the build up associated with a time traditionally linked with family and friends is so much more hollow when you have none. Let's all take the time, not just now but all year to try and talk to those who seem alone. Not because of religion, or Christmas, but because it is the right thing to do.
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I can't agree more. How can these people who say they are "religious" be so selfish at Xmas. And yes if you do believe in the Jesus thing then you're even sadder!!
I have no problem with people who are not Christians celebrating in their own way (including those who follow the original pagan routes), I do have a problem with the marketing hype and commercialisation, but hey that everywhere.
At the end of the day for Christians this is a special time, live and let live people. I would stand beside anyone who didn't feel Christmas is for them without a single 'humbug', and I am saddened that people have had a dig at Calista for her down to earth view of the Christmas season. Please extend me the same courtesy BathColin.
Well i for one absolutely love xmas,always have done ever since i can i was a kid it was about the pressies,but now that i'm older for me its about my kids enjoying themselves and being with family and friends and having a great time.
It is slighly ruined by the fact that i'm working for most of it but that only makes the time off i do get even the more obviously way to overcommercial but its still one of my favourite days of the year.
It is slighly ruined by the fact that i'm working for most of it but that only makes the time off i do get even the more obviously way to overcommercial but its still one of my favourite days of the year.
Sex God
Quote by BathColin
How can these people who say they are "religious" be so selfish at Xmas. And yes if you do believe in the Jesus thing then you're even sadder!!
: :?: Anybody who gets in to an argument as to whether Christ was born in December is missing the point. The Gospels were re-written/selected and edited for content at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD at the behest of the Emperor Constantine(300 years after the event!!!). Constantine was not a Christian but saw Christianity as a way of uniting the Roman Empire. It was therefore a political act and established the tyranny (guilt and persecution) of the Roman Catholic Church.
All this does not eradicate the fact that there was (almost certainly) a beautiful, wonderful person (Jesus Christ? - what's in a name) who had a fantastic message for humanity. A lot of the message in the Bible is aimed at unifying and pacifying the masses and should be ignored. There is, however, a worthwhile message there from a great person, who's birth is woth celebrating whether it is in December or June.
Shit did I just write this - sorry folks but dammit I'm gonna post it! I am not trying to offend anybody by the way.
Orgasminator
Morbius puts on his dog collar 
Disclaimer
I am purely stating things as i know them, things i have personally researched but in no way is this intended to be argumentitive or belittling to anyone elses views/beliefs.
You are correct in all you say here Tune, with one exception, you will find that the vast majority of modern bibles are directly translated from the oldest available manuscripts, many of which predate the Council of Nicea in 325AD. With that in mind many have confidence that the bible they rely on and trust is as close to the original writtings as possible. If memory serves me correctly the manuscripts used for large sections of the Christian Greek Scriptures/New Testament date to the end of the first century.
Most scholars agree/accept that Jesus actual birth was towards the end of September/beginning of October. The bible clearly tells us that John the Baptist was born in what we know as April and that Jesus was six months his junior. As you said, Constantine 'moved' Christs birth to December to link in with the Roman celebration of the Unconquered Sun, or Saturnalia, to encourage the Romans to adopt this 'new' religion.
I agree with you when you speak of the great things that Jesus accomplished while alive, indeed the new testament , at least the early half, is centred on these. Yet these are the things forgotten in the main today, and the emphasis is made of this little baby laying in a manger Why celebrate a birth and forget the more important aspect of the rest of his life??
As an aside...... the bible contains certain clear instructions on some things, ie must not commit murder, love thy neighbour (clearest indication to become a swinger i can find ;) ), must not commit adultery (ooops
) ect. YET believe it or not there is NO instruction to celebrate Jesus birth!! As i have said, the bible doesnt even record the date of Jesus birth!! Compare that with his death.... we know exactly the date, time, place, circumstances surrounding it and its implications and we are commanded to remember and celebrate it....... Just a little something to consider lol :twisted:
I'll join you in that, has to be the longest and best thread killer i have ever written
Morbius removes his dog collar Jeeze that thing is farrrrr too restrictive :? And before you get any kinky ideas Calista its going back into storage for another 5 years... its not a plaything......unless you fancy trying something else with it!?!?!!
Disclaimer
I am purely stating things as i know them, things i have personally researched but in no way is this intended to be argumentitive or belittling to anyone elses views/beliefs.
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The Gospels were re-written/selected and edited for content at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD at the behest of the Emperor Constantine(300 years after the event!!!). Constantine was not a Christian but saw Christianity as a way of uniting the Roman Empire. It was therefore a political act and established the tyranny (guilt and persecution) of the Roman Catholic Church.
You are correct in all you say here Tune, with one exception, you will find that the vast majority of modern bibles are directly translated from the oldest available manuscripts, many of which predate the Council of Nicea in 325AD. With that in mind many have confidence that the bible they rely on and trust is as close to the original writtings as possible. If memory serves me correctly the manuscripts used for large sections of the Christian Greek Scriptures/New Testament date to the end of the first century.
Quote by westerross
All this does not eradicate the fact that there was (almost certainly) a beautiful, wonderful person (Jesus Christ? - what's in a name) who had a fantastic message for humanity. A lot of the message in the Bible is aimed at unifying and pacifying the masses and should be ignored. There is, however, a worthwhile message there from a great person, who's birth is woth celebrating whether it is in December or June.
Most scholars agree/accept that Jesus actual birth was towards the end of September/beginning of October. The bible clearly tells us that John the Baptist was born in what we know as April and that Jesus was six months his junior. As you said, Constantine 'moved' Christs birth to December to link in with the Roman celebration of the Unconquered Sun, or Saturnalia, to encourage the Romans to adopt this 'new' religion.
I agree with you when you speak of the great things that Jesus accomplished while alive, indeed the new testament , at least the early half, is centred on these. Yet these are the things forgotten in the main today, and the emphasis is made of this little baby laying in a manger
Why celebrate a birth and forget the more important aspect of the rest of his life??As an aside...... the bible contains certain clear instructions on some things, ie must not commit murder, love thy neighbour (clearest indication to become a swinger i can find ;) ), must not commit adultery (ooops
) ect. YET believe it or not there is NO instruction to celebrate Jesus birth!! As i have said, the bible doesnt even record the date of Jesus birth!! Compare that with his death.... we know exactly the date, time, place, circumstances surrounding it and its implications and we are commanded to remember and celebrate it....... Just a little something to consider lol :twisted: Quote by westerross
Shit did I just write this - sorry folks but dammit I'm gonna post it! I am not trying to offend anybody by the way.
I'll join you in that, has to be the longest and best thread killer i have ever written
Morbius removes his dog collar Jeeze that thing is farrrrr too restrictive :? And before you get any kinky ideas Calista its going back into storage for another 5 years... its not a plaything......unless you fancy trying something else with it!?!?!!
I hate Christmas, never have and never will I doubt. I had a rough time as a child and Christmas always seemed to be a flash point for violence etc at home so I've never looked forward to Christmas.
As soon as I hear the mention of Christmas I want to hibernate until January.
Unfortunately I have 2 young children who are really into Christmas, and I have to make an effort to enjoy it for them. This has led me to the conclusion that most people seem to have lost the spirit of Christmas and its all about money and presents its too commercial.
Whatever happened to the "magic" of Christmas, the fairytale of Santa and his reindeer, the glass of milk / whiskey, mince pie and carrot for santa an co. Christmas is a time for familly to be surrounded by those you love and to share fun and happiness with them.
Lets remember that Christmas is a suppose to be a happy time and we need to look out for those around us. There is no better time to build friendships, heal old wounds or lay to rest long running arguements.
I know I will be working hard to enjoy Christmas this year and I hope everyone else has a Happy Christmas, whatever that maybe.
Happy Christmas & New Year and here's to Swinging in 2005
As soon as I hear the mention of Christmas I want to hibernate until January.
Unfortunately I have 2 young children who are really into Christmas, and I have to make an effort to enjoy it for them. This has led me to the conclusion that most people seem to have lost the spirit of Christmas and its all about money and presents its too commercial.
Whatever happened to the "magic" of Christmas, the fairytale of Santa and his reindeer, the glass of milk / whiskey, mince pie and carrot for santa an co. Christmas is a time for familly to be surrounded by those you love and to share fun and happiness with them.
Lets remember that Christmas is a suppose to be a happy time and we need to look out for those around us. There is no better time to build friendships, heal old wounds or lay to rest long running arguements.
I know I will be working hard to enjoy Christmas this year and I hope everyone else has a Happy Christmas, whatever that maybe.
Happy Christmas & New Year and here's to Swinging in 2005
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I hate Christmas, never have and never will I doubt. I had a rough time as a child and Christmas always seemed to be a flash point for violence etc at home so I've never looked forward to Christmas.
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I know I will be working hard to enjoy Christmas this year and I hope everyone else has a Happy Christmas, whatever that maybe.
I have always been a non Christmas person for the same reasons. Each year I vow to try and "do" christmas. This year I decided not to let my past experiences influence how I feel. But..... I also feel strongly that I have a right to do whatever I want at Christmas. And I choose to spend it alone - to feel whatever i WANT to feel. Like Calista I too get called Scrooge. It used to really upset me - but I never told anyone why I didn't do Christmas.
Now if anyone calls me a scrooge I tell them why I don't do Christmas. When people start talking specifics about what they used to do when they woke up on Christmas morning I no longer keep my mouth shut and hope the conversation changes tack. I tell them that I normally woke up in someone elses house having had to be rescued on Christmas eve. Yes - it makes them feel uncomfortable - but it stops them having a dig at me for being a Scrooge.
This year my heart goes out to two people I know who have just lost loved one. I know how hard it will be for them and i hope people will alllow them to spend Christmas the way they NEED to.
Sex God
Just so people don't think I'm being rude - Morbius and I continued our discussion by PM.
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I have always been a non Christmas person for the same reasons. Each year I vow to try and "do" christmas. This year I decided not to let my past experiences influence how I feel. But..... I also feel strongly that I have a right to do whatever I want at Christmas. And I choose to spend it alone - to feel whatever i WANT to feel. Like Calista I too get called Scrooge. It used to really upset me - but I never told anyone why I didn't do Christmas.
Now if anyone calls me a scrooge I tell them why I don't do Christmas. When people start talking specifics about what they used to do when they woke up on Christmas morning I no longer keep my mouth shut and hope the conversation changes tack. I tell them that I normally woke up in someone elses house having had to be rescued on Christmas eve. Yes - it makes them feel uncomfortable - but it stops them having a dig at me for being a Scrooge.
This year my heart goes out to two people I know who have just lost loved one. I know how hard it will be for them and i hope people will alllow them to spend Christmas the way they NEED to.
Rainbow
Know where you're coming from, didn't realise we had more in common than nationality. Also very familiar with the Child Welfare back home and the Christmasses spent at other peoples houses. Took me a long time to realise my childhood was not of my making and to lose the guilt over it. And I do the same as you if people make blaze' comments around me, give it to them raw. It's not the shock factor I'm after either, it's simply ment for them to reconsider the stand-point they may be coming from.
Sex God
norfolk_couple, rainbows
i absolutely, feckin' hate xmas with a passion. i'd have no problem with a religious festival whatsoever, but the enforced jollity, the commercialism, the lets have all the years of shit forgotten cos it's xmas gets right on my tits.
this year, as a prime example, my fathers side of the family, who completely washed their hands of us when my dad died when i was nine, have now decided, 26 years later, that really we need to get the family back together, cos one of them has died. neither hide nor hair for 26 years, let alone a card to their son's / brother's / cousin's kids, but no matter!
suddenly it's the season of good will, and water under the bridge, and lets kiss and make up! well you know what?
:flipa: :flipa:
uncharitable, and out of character for me, but there it is. soon as new year's done and dusted, the happier i'll be.
oh and apologies for the rant. skip it, but it is a bah humbug thread, so hey ho ho ho! ;)
neil x x x ;)
i absolutely, feckin' hate xmas with a passion. i'd have no problem with a religious festival whatsoever, but the enforced jollity, the commercialism, the lets have all the years of shit forgotten cos it's xmas gets right on my tits.
this year, as a prime example, my fathers side of the family, who completely washed their hands of us when my dad died when i was nine, have now decided, 26 years later, that really we need to get the family back together, cos one of them has died. neither hide nor hair for 26 years, let alone a card to their son's / brother's / cousin's kids, but no matter!
suddenly it's the season of good will, and water under the bridge, and lets kiss and make up! well you know what?
:flipa: :flipa:uncharitable, and out of character for me, but there it is. soon as new year's done and dusted, the happier i'll be.
oh and apologies for the rant. skip it, but it is a bah humbug thread, so hey ho ho ho! ;)
neil x x x ;)
Sex God
I have a bit of a problem with the concept of a season of goodwill... Why set aside a season for it? That implies we don't have goodwill at any other time, and therefore it's fake, only done because it's expected at a particular time of year. I find the concept deeply cynical, phoney, and frankly quite nasty.
Humbug!
Humbug!
Sex God
Every year I cannot wait for Christmas to be over. I agree with you about the so-called season of goodwill, Ice, which always makes me squirm.
Luckily my family always celebrated Christmas pretty low-key when I was a kid, mainly because of poverty, and it is something I have never wished to change.
Oh, that wonderful feeling on the first non-holiday day after Christmas...the relief!
:) :)
Mike.
Luckily my family always celebrated Christmas pretty low-key when I was a kid, mainly because of poverty, and it is something I have never wished to change.
Oh, that wonderful feeling on the first non-holiday day after Christmas...the relief!
:) :) Mike.
