Over the past few weeks its been on the tv and in newspapers quite a lot about gangs of youths involved in stabbings,shootings etc. Is it just me or is the country getting worse when people are afraid to walk the streets or even in some cases venture out of their own front doors?
A few years ago we had riots in a part of the town i live and the majority of the people involved where as young as thirteen ( a thirteen year old actually went to prison for throwing petrol bombs). I am more aware of youths hanging around in groups than i would be off a lone man these days.
Does anyone else agree or do you think it's all being blown out of proportion by the media?
Lou x
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Without a doubt I think some of this could be blamed on a yob culture however how much could also be blamed on the "politically correct, thats makes to much noise, thats to dangersous to hedgehogs etc brigade". For example kids who use skateboards or BMX's in town centres give them somewhere to go and use them thats is safe and accesable or give the kids on street corners something to do where they wont get shouted or moaned at and it might just take the threat away.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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very strong views on this subject, but am going to watch the thread develop before i throw my penny's worth in,
What?
I'jm just being honest
very strong views on this subject, but am going to watch the thread develop before i throw my penny's worth in,
What?
I'jm just being honest
a prime example: when i ran a local store i banned a lad for stealing he came back into the store and told me ' to watch my back walking home as he was going to have me', i phoned the police and they told me they couldnt do anything until he actually did something ( even though he was well known to them). luckily my two nephews who are big lads in their twenties came to walk me home but it still scared me for a few days after.
Lou
Lou
I think it is partly to do with how things are reported in the media these days........making us more aware of incidents and making us view all groups of kids as potential murderers.
I was commenting a few days ago, how much safer certain parts of the West End of Newcastle are these days.........area's that were total no-go areas 10 years ago are so much safer since the insallation of visable CCTV.
Walking about, there are no more or no less groups of kids standing in groups outside of shops, or drinking in back alleys then when I was at school (when I was one of them)...........just these days we are more likely to assume that if we challange them we WILL be stabbed or beaten up.
Les x
I was commenting a few days ago, how much safer certain parts of the West End of Newcastle are these days.........area's that were total no-go areas 10 years ago are so much safer since the insallation of visable CCTV.
Walking about, there are no more or no less groups of kids standing in groups outside of shops, or drinking in back alleys then when I was at school (when I was one of them)...........just these days we are more likely to assume that if we challange them we WILL be stabbed or beaten up.
Les x
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Things are getting worse. There is no doubt about it. Like most people I can relate anecdotes. And I might do. But for now:
When I moved here 26 years ago I don't remember a shop with shutters to protect its windows. Now I think more than half have shutters. Now why would small businessmen go to that expense? The answer is obvious. Because they perceive a threat.
Ok, one anecdote. A small group of children, uninvited in my garden. "Out" I said. One girl about thirteen said, "What can you fucking do? You can't fucking touch me." And that was the moment when I realised I was helpless.
Mollie x x x
thats exactly it.........what can you do?.........and they know it thats why they do it?......a lack of disapline can also be an added factor to this.......were we this bad when we knew we would get a wallop for it!
Interesting thread. It just sums up society as a whole really, and as a parent i feel partly responsible if I’m being honest, its all about what’s politically correct nowadays and everyone’s human rights, but the problem is the bad have human rights too and they mostly help the bad rather than the good, i can remember when i was at school many moons ago lol, I got the belt on 2 occasions, did it work, yes it did, imagine what would happen in this day and age if a teacher gave a child the belt there would be a public outcry, done me more good than harm, if a teacher raises a voice to a child nowadays their putting their job in jeopardy, spanking that’s another matter so we won't go into it, some agree some don't, but anyone that was raised in those times gone buy might or might not agree with me, was life so bad back then? I don't think it was in fact it angers me what people can do nowadays and get away with it, which you couldn't back then, there’s more things to do in this era than back then too, more parks, clubs, community centres etc, (hey they even have the internet, all the latest gadgets and there mobile phones lol) than there was 25 years ago so anyone who says there only hanging about shop doorways because there’s nothing else to do is just being irresponsible, It’s just society as a whole and no one longer takes responsibility for there actions it’s always someone else or he/she done it why can’t I?. Or blame a book you read or a film they watched or even a computer game, I could go on and on but to sum it up the real answer to the question is “SPOILT†yes kids nowadays are spoilt, they get what they want and on most instances they now call the shots, they get what they want, eat what they want, wear what they want and do what they want, and its now society’s way and we as parents have been taken in by it and moved along with the trend, anyhow it’s getting near Christmas so I must end this post as I’ll have to go and arrange a bank loan for the kids Christmas pressies just to keep up with society. “SPOILT†“SPOILT†“SPOILTâ€
Now im only 30 years old and dont want to come across as a moaner but I have been shocked on more than one occasion at the blatant disrespect and callous yobbish attitude of a lot of younger people these days. And, by younger im referring to anything between 6-13.
A few months back when I was in the process of seling up and moving out we had one of those estate agents boards outside the front gate (as you do)...... 1:30am in the morning im woken up to this god awful banging thumping sounds, look out the windon and there is a group of 4 or 5 youths loittering outside in the road with one sluggish neanderthal looking hoody kids proceeding to punch the for sale sign for all he is worth.
I politely tell him to stop and get the usual flack in return, but they moved off nonetheless. Get back into bed and suddenly all hell breaks loose with glass bottles getting through against my front doors and windows.
Police arrive later, go through the motions ect ect. didnt catch the kids obviously and I moved out three weeks later - pity the new owners...
Bring back corporal punishment im thinking
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A few months back when I was in the process of seling up and moving out we had one of those estate agents boards outside the front gate (as you do)...... 1:30am in the morning im woken up to this god awful banging thumping sounds, look out the windon and there is a group of 4 or 5 youths loittering outside in the road with one sluggish neanderthal looking hoody kids proceeding to punch the for sale sign for all he is worth.
I politely tell him to stop and get the usual flack in return, but they moved off nonetheless. Get back into bed and suddenly all hell breaks loose with glass bottles getting through against my front doors and windows.
Police arrive later, go through the motions ect ect. didnt catch the kids obviously and I moved out three weeks later - pity the new owners...
Bring back corporal punishment im thinking
:fuckinghell: I remember one occasion when we lived in a less than nice area.
I looked out of the window of our 2nd storey flat to see a kid of about 8/9 jumping on the bonnet of my father in laws car. I shouted "oi get off there" to which he replied "whats the magic word?"
Me- "NOW, or I'll break your feckin legs" 
It worked.
I looked out of the window of our 2nd storey flat to see a kid of about 8/9 jumping on the bonnet of my father in laws car. I shouted "oi get off there" to which he replied "whats the magic word?"
Me- "NOW, or I'll break your feckin legs" It worked.
WiinchWench Darling,
The problem is that is a threat you can't carry out. This thread has raised thoughts in my head. I have fear on the streets now. I try not to go out when the schools finish.
I would like to see corporal punishment (and the death penalty) come back. That child put it to me very accurately when she said "You can't fucking touch me". Now if somebody in authority could touch her maybe she wouldn't have been in my garden. For fear of the consequences.
I'm a saddo who watches daytime TV. On the old Kilroy show they discussed something like this. A young man had been birched in the Isle of Man for an act of violence which he admitted. Did the flogging affect his behaviour? "No," he said. It had no effect on him. But the opportunity was lost to ask an important question to which his answer might have been different. "Would you again act violently in the Isle of Man?" If the consequence had been another birching, maybe his violence would have been curbed, yes?
Oh, birching has been outlawed in the Isle of Man. I wonder if violent crime has increased since then. I don't know how to find out.
xx x
The problem is that is a threat you can't carry out. This thread has raised thoughts in my head. I have fear on the streets now. I try not to go out when the schools finish.
I would like to see corporal punishment (and the death penalty) come back. That child put it to me very accurately when she said "You can't fucking touch me". Now if somebody in authority could touch her maybe she wouldn't have been in my garden. For fear of the consequences.
I'm a saddo who watches daytime TV. On the old Kilroy show they discussed something like this. A young man had been birched in the Isle of Man for an act of violence which he admitted. Did the flogging affect his behaviour? "No," he said. It had no effect on him. But the opportunity was lost to ask an important question to which his answer might have been different. "Would you again act violently in the Isle of Man?" If the consequence had been another birching, maybe his violence would have been curbed, yes?
Oh, birching has been outlawed in the Isle of Man. I wonder if violent crime has increased since then. I don't know how to find out.
xx x
Kiss,
No not a simplistic comment. I haven't looked up the reference but Goethe made a similar comment. And I can't remember for sure but I think Socrates made a comment just like it. You are in good company.
But. I mean it - But. 26 years ago shopkeepers around here didn't need shutters on their windows. Now they do.
Mollie
No not a simplistic comment. I haven't looked up the reference but Goethe made a similar comment. And I can't remember for sure but I think Socrates made a comment just like it. You are in good company.
But. I mean it - But. 26 years ago shopkeepers around here didn't need shutters on their windows. Now they do.
Mollie
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My opinion
no youth clubs
no parks
Police presence zero (bring back the booby on the beat)
to blame
parents
goverment
police
we havent even got basic facilities for kids.
did you know golf courses out strip playing fields by 80 to 1.
time to turn some golf courses into parks etc..
I agree 100% the area which i live in is quite rough, but luckily we are just on the out skirts so we dont get much trouble round us but all the kids further down the road from us can be very violant, about 3weeks ago a young boy of about 15 was taken into hospital serious head induries, theres been fires, muggins etc, the area of chorley isnt much better a yr or 2 ago a bloke was stabbed outside my docs surgery, another was of a young mum of 3 who was stabbed several times in the chest and throut( you will prob remember seeing it on the itv news) the list goes on and onnnn
Off subject a bit there, but we have quite a few buildings round here that could come in usefull for all the teens and there just boaded up, not been used for yrs?????
All the kids need sumthing to do and sumwhere to go, i no when i was a teen there was nothing for usjust used to hang around shops etc
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Kiss,
No not a simplistic comment. I haven't looked up the reference but Goethe made a similar comment. And I can't remember for sure but I think Socrates made a comment just like it. You are in good company.
But. I mean it - But. 26 years ago shopkeepers around here didn't need shutters on their windows. Now they do.
Mollie
I agree about the shop windows - I've seen it myself.
I just think that yes some things have got worse, you can't deny it. But other things have improved.
I'm going off track here but I'm just typing what is popping into my head (often dangerous!
).If we look back at the Victorian era for example, you may have been able to leave your door unlocked, but that was if you were lucky enough to have a home. What with child labour and a fairly low life expectancy to look forward to, people were more concerned with simply surviving than nicking things.
I can't find out at the moment that said (but it was a modern philosopher) something like "Young people have more opportunities than ever to achieve their goals, but less reasons to do so."
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Kiss,
But. I mean it - But. 26 years ago shopkeepers around here didn't need shutters on their windows. Now they do.
Mollie
Its not kids with the shutters its grown men smash and grab, organised thievery.
Yes, I take your point. And I agree with it to some extent. Another anecdote. But it's true. A shopkeeper I was on speaking terms with - I don't even know his name - spoke to me outside his shop with a broken window. "Did you lose much stock?" He said that nothing had been stolen.
Just smash the window, no grab, and run away. Now that isn't grown men. It's young people. Probably drunk. My anecdotes about this sort of thing are endless.
x x x
I totally agree every generation has said the same but it's the carrying of weapons that is considered 'normal' by some youths that frightens me. How do we justify a twelve year old carrying a knife 'cos all his mates do' as normal? I've got a ten year old son and am genuinally scared for him these days. His life is so more restricted than mine was at that age (maybe i am a too over cautious parent but the stories i hear are too scary to consider any other option).
Lou x
Lou x
Ooooh, sore point.
I wouldn't like to call myself a moaning whiner, far from it. But it has to be said that things are going from bad to worse.
I seriously wouldn't like to approach a gang of youths (and let's face it, they hang around in gangs) and intervene if they were doing something wrong. I'd really fear for my safety and that of my family, there's nothing to say they wouldn't follow you home and vandalise your home or worse.
I think there is a distinct lack of respect from kids for anyone or anything. They are all too aware that people in authority are powerless to stop them or that the punishment is going to be all too lenient. My uncle was a school teacher for many years until recently when a pupil at his school spat in his face and laughed at him knowing full well he could do nothing about it. Even parents have a couldn't-care-less attitude as far as their kids are concerned, preferring that they are out from under their feet and not bothering them. Is it any wonder that their kids are so off the rails?
I'm not naive, I know that this sort of thing was happening when I was their age, but I NEVER recall a time when any pupil brought a knife to my school. Yes bullying took place, but getting your head flushed down the loo is mild compared to being stabbed or kicked within an inch of their life.
I have a 10 year old son, at present, we are trying to decide which secondary school to send him to. I will freely admit I am worried for him when he leaves the comparatively 'cotton-wool' protection of primary education and moves up. Having said that, I have taught him morals and that there will always be consequences for his actions if he messes up, maybe not from his school, maybe not even from the police, but certainly from me when I find out. Dare I say it, but I rule with a mixture of fear but also to have the utmost respect for everyone - young and old alike.
Do we need places for kids to go to keep them off the street? Yes
Do we need to invest more time with them? Yes
Do we need stricter enforcement within schools? Yes
It does make me wonder where it will end, what extreme measures will it take to bring things back on track.
Ok, so maybe I am a whinger...... :smile2:
I wouldn't like to call myself a moaning whiner, far from it. But it has to be said that things are going from bad to worse.
I seriously wouldn't like to approach a gang of youths (and let's face it, they hang around in gangs) and intervene if they were doing something wrong. I'd really fear for my safety and that of my family, there's nothing to say they wouldn't follow you home and vandalise your home or worse.
I think there is a distinct lack of respect from kids for anyone or anything. They are all too aware that people in authority are powerless to stop them or that the punishment is going to be all too lenient. My uncle was a school teacher for many years until recently when a pupil at his school spat in his face and laughed at him knowing full well he could do nothing about it. Even parents have a couldn't-care-less attitude as far as their kids are concerned, preferring that they are out from under their feet and not bothering them. Is it any wonder that their kids are so off the rails?
I'm not naive, I know that this sort of thing was happening when I was their age, but I NEVER recall a time when any pupil brought a knife to my school. Yes bullying took place, but getting your head flushed down the loo is mild compared to being stabbed or kicked within an inch of their life.
I have a 10 year old son, at present, we are trying to decide which secondary school to send him to. I will freely admit I am worried for him when he leaves the comparatively 'cotton-wool' protection of primary education and moves up. Having said that, I have taught him morals and that there will always be consequences for his actions if he messes up, maybe not from his school, maybe not even from the police, but certainly from me when I find out. Dare I say it, but I rule with a mixture of fear but also to have the utmost respect for everyone - young and old alike.
Do we need places for kids to go to keep them off the street? Yes
Do we need to invest more time with them? Yes
Do we need stricter enforcement within schools? Yes
It does make me wonder where it will end, what extreme measures will it take to bring things back on track.
Ok, so maybe I am a whinger...... :smile2:
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My opinion
no youth clubs
no parks
Police presence zero (bring back the booby on the beat)
to blame
parents
goverment
police
we havent even got basic facilities for kids.
did you know golf courses out strip playing fields by 80 to 1.
time to turn some golf courses into parks etc..
Hands up all in favour!
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Difficult subject.
Children should have rights, but should those rights mean that they can act however they choose without fear of the consequences? I personally don't think so. There has to be a limit. Why should someone who has worked hard to have a nice home and garden, or a thriving business, not be able to protect them using reasonable means.... without fear of reprisal.... if a bunch of young thugs decides to destroy them?
Children should have rights, but should those rights mean that they can act however they choose without fear of the consequences? I personally don't think so. There has to be a limit. Why should someone who has worked hard to have a nice home and garden, or a thriving business, not be able to protect them using reasonable means.... without fear of reprisal.... if a bunch of young thugs decides to destroy them?
