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Quote by Scandal
lets hope our tolerance can rise above the provocation
The provocation is two way LongHandle - 30 000 troops illegally occupying Iraq, carpet bombing, torturing, stealing oil and invading religeous places - whatever way anyone justifies invading Iraq - is provocation and for every force there is an equal and oppsoite force. Ditto Palestine - it's viewed as occupied land.
Well, if you think it's acceptable and honourable to plan to slaughter innocent people, that's your choice. There's a differenece between planning to slaughter innocents as against a war on those capable and willing to fight back.
Quote by longhandle8
some who have nothing but contempt for the country that provides for them and the people they live with !
How do you know that? You're implying they are somehow getting something for nothing, the perpertrators could just as likely be passport holding, taxpaying indigenous people.
Exactly my point, even worse if they are ! If we are meant to show consideration for other faiths, they shouldn't openly denigrate other cultures to the point of hatred.
Quote by longhandle8
Doesn't seem right that we look after people who obviously delight in promoting and celebrating the killing of people and in the name of religion
If you just view this, 9/11 and Madrid as religeous inspired activities I think you miss a point. These are political acts - in the eyes of the perpertrators there is somewhere a valid reason for it, they have an agenda and demands - not just based in the afterlife. Unless there are attempts to try and understand their motivation then there will never be a peacefull settlement. Although terrorists are a minority there will be millions who sympathise with their grievances and resistance like that can never be crushed into the dirt. If the G8 were really serious about wanting a peacefull Middle East then they would have tried to address those grievances years ago - it's just far too convenient to use a wide brush and paint the whole region as lands inhabitated by nutters and terrorists. Remember in Ireland very few people joined the IRA but whole generations of people sympathised with Republican grievances untill some kind of peacefull political settlement was attempted.
Never said that, my point is specifically related to this incident but if you think it's morally right to celebrate the deaths of anyone like they do then that's your choice again. Yes, you can argue the moral decision of our actions against other countries but the decisions are taken with global agreement. We only try to target military sites and dont rejoice in civilian deaths. Whatever your beliefs, you should always try to show some consideration for fellow human beings.
Quote by HornyRed
I always like to have a look at red stilletto
:twisted: .........i'll let you look at mine if i can look at your s.................
Can I slip in too :twisted: :bounce:
Ive been waiting to get my hands on red stilletto for ages, im afraid youll have to wait until ive finished with her, before you slip in
:wink:I plead fifth amendment :whistling:
Forgive me while I paint the picture :wink:
Quote by alspals
..as you point out, the necklace quote is not attributable to Nelson Mandela..it was spoken by Winnie, his ex wife who had her own agenda and was soon ostracised by Mandela and his polictical organisations. Although it is difficult to justify any kind of terrorism which has a murderous objective..I think it is useful to remember the post war political situation in South Africa and the lack of democracy & opportunities that existed for its indigenous population.
You're right, change was needed.
But t's how change anywhere is achieved that troubles me. I don't believe the end justifies the means.
..I have to agree Jen and try to live my life with that motivation. But there have been many times in history though, where the act of terrorists has justified the means (in the eyes of the terrorist)..the latest example being the train bombing in Madrid which very quickly resulted in a change of government..and the withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq..the previous government had been one of the few loyal supporters of Blair & Bush.
Guess thats an option if you want to be dictated to by terrorists but doesn't help the rest of the world who are trying to build global co-operation against such acts. In the end, we can only hope that global pressure will eventually force such extremists to refrain. In the meantime, lets hope our tolerance can rise above the provocation from some who have nothing but contempt for the country that provides for them and the people they live with !
..hope you don't think I'm supporting terrorism Longhandle...I was simply pointing out how, in the eyes of a terrorist, they can see their actions justifying the means..the Madrid bombing being a case in point.
Of course not, it's a relevant point, I'm merely reinforcing that you are obviously open to all kinds of blackmail if you give in to such threats. Think we're all on the same page in terms of reason but I do worry as to how we can identify the good people from bad, given our liberal attitude over here. Doesn't seem right that we look after people who obviously delight in promoting and celebrating the killing of people and in the name of religion - beyond my understanding of human consideration i'm afraid.
Quote by redstilletto
awwww ok then, i'll play :shock:
Of course, the ladies are much more fun, they are able to show just a tad more
oo er longys getting dareing :twisted:
very nice though :wink:
Thank you, I have my moments sweetie :twisted:, was painful though, had to snip away my best asset for the pic
:shock: 
Quote by alspals
..as you point out, the necklace quote is not attributable to Nelson Mandela..it was spoken by Winnie, his ex wife who had her own agenda and was soon ostracised by Mandela and his polictical organisations. Although it is difficult to justify any kind of terrorism which has a murderous objective..I think it is useful to remember the post war political situation in South Africa and the lack of democracy & opportunities that existed for its indigenous population.
You're right, change was needed.
But t's how change anywhere is achieved that troubles me. I don't believe the end justifies the means.
..I have to agree Jen and try to live my life with that motivation. But there have been many times in history though, where the act of terrorists has justified the means (in the eyes of the terrorist)..the latest example being the train bombing in Madrid which very quickly resulted in a change of government..and the withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq..the previous government had been one of the few loyal supporters of Blair & Bush.
Guess thats an option if you want to be dictated to by terrorists but doesn't help the rest of the world who are trying to build global co-operation against such acts. In the end, we can only hope that global pressure will eventually force such extremists to refrain. In the meantime, lets hope our tolerance can rise above the provocation from some who have nothing but contempt for the country that provides for them and the people they live with !
Quote by Jags
Yes but they shouldn't be allowed to quote religion as the basis of their acts - they should be denounced from that by their religous brethren !
They are a stain on any religion if they believe terrorism is acceptable !
Think you'll find they have already done that!!
Yes, admirable stuff but they've been saying that for ages so what tangible effect will it have. They need to impose some sterner sanctions on these people.
The story talks about revenge attacks, which will unfortunately only escalate the whole situation. However, you can understand concern when it's obvious we are living with some terrorists, who we cannot identify because they hide under the cloak of law abiding people.
Its probably more complex but just feel if they are using a religion to justify their actions, that religion should remove them.
Quote by Calista
Any religion could be blamed for atrocities such as today, there are very few that historically don't have a record for violence.
"Religion" cannot be blamed for it .... "religion" is a word ... the barbaric acts carried out in the name of religion are down to power hungry fanatics with their own agenda's.
Blaming a whole genre/group of people for fanatics actions is appalling. Greed is the root cause and even if the leaders of the country's bowed down and met demands the same atrocities would still happen.
These groups are not out for religious glory at all .. they are out for power!
Twenty years ago we had the same problems with the IRA ... it's no different - same shit different fanatics.
Calista x
Yes but they shouldn't be allowed to quote religion as the basis of their acts - they should be denounced from that by their religous brethren !
They are a stain on any religion if they believe terrorism is acceptable !
Quote by da69ve
Hi everyone
Well we have our son home safe and well,i had to walk ,bus and take a taxi to Paddington but got there,well picked him up couldn't head back the way because of a suspect package in a to my son to find out what happened he said he had been stuck on the train between stations for over two hours,he was eventually lead through the tunnel to Bayswater which was one stop away from paddington where he needed to be,but what really hit me was that Edgware Road was only the next stop after that,he was only two trains behind the one that exploded!....whenever there has been a terrorist attack we've always seen it from the safety of the TV....i tell you its not nice when you are part of it!
Dave
Must admit, have used the London tubes around the affected areas for more years than i can remember and this certainly makes you think "there but for the grace of god" etc.
All you can take out of such an atrocity at this time are the positive efforts of the emergency services and the public in overcoming such a nightmare.
Anyway, I do agree with Fabio that we should focus on the current emergency situation rather than the political discussion that will undoubtedly ensue.
Best wishes to all who have friends and family affected today.
Quote by Ice Pie
fact is the revenue that will be generated now that we have won the games....in tourism, and such like will outbid the cost of the games two fold. also we as a country will be left with excellant sporting facilities for the young people of tomorrow. And not least we have stuck two fingers up to Jacques Chirac !!
For gods sake lets congratulate ourselves.....its not often we win.
here here this is still the greatest country in the world so lets be happy
greatest for what
Steak and Kidney Pie
Lancashire Hot Pot
Haggis
Roast Beef
Yorkshire Pudding
Fish and Chips
Liver and Bacon
Cheddar Cheese
Chicken Tikka Masala
and Beer! :D
So Up Yours Mr Chirac. :P
Didnt notice the finer details in the Olmpic bid, that must have swung it :shock: :wink:
Do the competitors realise what's on the daily menu's
Quote by steveup4itinberks
fact is the revenue that will be generated now that we have won the games....in tourism, and such like will outbid the cost of the games two fold. also we as a country will be left with excellant sporting facilities for the young people of tomorrow. And not least we have stuck two fingers up to Jacques Chirac !!
For gods sake lets congratulate ourselves.....its not often we win.
here here this is still the greatest country in the world so lets be happy
greatest for what
Quote by Cicero
Years ago I was driving to a gig with a fellow musician and he was telling me that he was nervous about seeing his new girlfriend at the weekend because they would probably go to bed for the first time. He was worried that she might think his cock too small. To my astonishment he said, " I'm only ten inches when I'm fully erect ". At first I thought he was being ironic and having a laugh but then realised he was serious. He really was worried about his ten inch cock being thought of as too small. Beggars belief sometimes doesn't it?!
By contrast I knew a guy years ago ( another musician friend ) who really did have a small knob. At puberty he didn't develope properly and for the rest of his life has to have injections. His full erection was about the size of a little finger and that chap had no problems about it. Just accepted it. He was sexually active and had a regular sex partner.
Bet they were always a very "close" couple
think about it...oh well
Quote by bluexxx
interestingly is it those that used discos when younger for pulling ? prefer clubs as they get older ?
Definately not! Swingers clubs have nothing in common with discos :shock:
I prefer clubs to private meets pretty much for the reasons dino said - namely, with private meets, if you get bored / don't like the people or whatever, you are a bit stuck for other things to do with the time ! With a club there are many more options, there's more to watch, more to do, it's a more buzzy environment than a private residence, plus the sauna, jacuzzi etc that most private homes don't have!
Bugger, does that mean my white suit's no good then
Quote by nick & paula
After the disappointment of a fake last week, this week we have a time and hotel arranged for a meet.
Both of us are looking forward to meeting the guy we have picked but are both still concerned about std's.
He'll wear a condom for sex but what about blowjobs.
Some advice please.
Blowing is ok, but dont suck too hard, knew a gal who nearly choked on 2 extra marbles in her mouth once :shock:
Quote by Jags
i would just like to say it was the best night of our lifes. never thought i could play with a guy watching but now im glad i have done it and cant wait to do it again soon. i must say you are one horny and very wet girl mmmmm. very nice. big thanks to the single guy xxxx. we know you loved it.
Can I just ask what relation you are to funwife??
:shock: :shock:
Hmmmm....two of a kind or incredibly similar
Quote by naughtynymphos1
well i have 2 opinions on this one, if i meet someone off here i find looks are more important than in a club, for example if i go to a club to be honest i will get on a bed and just have fun with anyone who wants to join in, stopping and looking at everyone just limits ur fun so i tend to switch off to looks and just shag lol on more private meets where u have 2 spend time with a person its more inportant, but in answer yes i would shag someone i found ugly lol
Who's going to be miss popular
I love picky gals
