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robpet
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 62
0 miles · Derbyshire
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any safe dogging locations for cds/tv's around the Mi jct 28 and Mansfield area. The one I use to go to a while ago is now not suitable and another now appears to be gated at night. This is just my luck now I have more time to get about. Any suggestions welcome but please pm me and not put on open post. Thanks rob
VOSA have powers to stop vehicles, HATOS have powers to direct traffic at the request of the police, rolling road blocks and lane closures etc.
Truth is, save for a bit of HGV enforcement on the part of VOSA they don't bother unless they're on a joint operation with the police, and it's the police that do the stopping. Neither VOSA or HATO's have any authority to exceed the speed limit. HATOS are just glorified cone dispensers. On some motorway networks they tried sending HATO's to minor accidents but gave that up when some people gave false details - no powers of arrest you see! If a HATO tries to stop you, which he probably won't, just put your foot down, they can't exceed the speed limit and if the cops stop you later on the fixed penalty is only £30 non endorsable. If however, they are implementing a road closure and you drive through then it's s driving without due care and attention. Given that they're likely to be closing off at the request of the police then this might just get plod's back up to.
This is getting silly! Highway Code page 39 section 108 in black and white
If a HATO wants to stop you they will where possible attract your attention by
Flashing amber lights usually from behind
Directing you to pull over to the side of the road by pointing and/or using left indicator
You MUST THEN PULLOVER AND STOP AS SOON AS IT IS SAFE TO DO SO
IT IS AN OFFENCE NOT TO COMPLY WITH THEIR DIRECTIONS
I think you may get done for more than speeding.
Can we stop this now and just read the Highway Code more often,just remember ignorance is no defence!
Truth is, save for a bit of HGV enforcement on the part of VOSA they don't bother unless they're on a joint operation with the police, and it's the police that do the stopping. Neither VOSA or HATO's have any authority to exceed the speed limit. HATOS are just glorified cone dispensers. On some motorway networks they tried sending HATO's to minor accidents but gave that up when some people gave false details - no powers of arrest you see! If a HATO tries to stop you, which he probably won't, just put your foot down, they can't exceed the speed limit and if the cops stop you later on the fixed penalty is only £30 non endorsable. If however, they are implementing a road closure and you drive through then it's s driving without due care and attention. Given that they're likely to be closing off at the request of the police then this might just get plod's back up to.
This is getting silly! Highway Code page 39 section 108 in black and white
If a HATO wants to stop you they will where possible attract your attention by
Flashing amber lights usually from behind
Directing you to pull over to the side of the road by pointing and/or using left indicator
You MUST THEN PULLOVER AND STOP AS SOON AS IT IS SAFE TO DO SO
IT IS AN OFFENCE NOT TO COMPLY WITH THEIR DIRECTIONS
I think you may get done for more than speeding.
Can we stop this now and just read the Highway Code more often,just remember ignorance is no defence!
Quote by karrimor
Hope this will clarify the situation. HATO's have no powers whatsoever, they cannot stop vehicles, they cant demand names address etc. They have no legal powers to detain people. they are only supposed to patrol A Roads and mainly the M,way. They cant even break the speed limit when called to an accident etc. They are civilian employees only.
Hope that helps.
I all I will say is when did you last read the Highway Code? Please read my post again, apart from my day job I have a hobby which involved extra driving test and assessments so I always have new HC. (I could quote reference for road traffic act) I know this is nothing to do with dogging but if you use the motorway or major A roads it could save you and others some hassle.
The Highways Agency are there for their own titilation. In fact, they're only supposed to 'patrol' the trunk road and main A roads where they act as a 'support' for the police at accident scenes and all that.
They have no powers whatsoever, similarly, they have no responsibilities either. If you see them touring a dogging site, get the reg number of the vehicle and complain to the Highways Agency control.
I repeat they do have some limited powers regarding traffic, including the stopping of vehicles on motorways and certain A roads in England only - quoted from Highway code page 39. I know this because 1 of our truck drivers ignored them whilst driving with a mud flap hanging loose, they got the police to stop him in the end. Fortunately for him copper said that they only on the road 2 days and their 'powers' not clearly advertised' got the impression he did'nt like them either. We made sure all our drivers became aware of them. If the lay by is on 1 of their A roads then they will use it.
They have no powers whatsoever, similarly, they have no responsibilities either. If you see them touring a dogging site, get the reg number of the vehicle and complain to the Highways Agency control.
I repeat they do have some limited powers regarding traffic, including the stopping of vehicles on motorways and certain A roads in England only - quoted from Highway code page 39. I know this because 1 of our truck drivers ignored them whilst driving with a mud flap hanging loose, they got the police to stop him in the end. Fortunately for him copper said that they only on the road 2 days and their 'powers' not clearly advertised' got the impression he did'nt like them either. We made sure all our drivers became aware of them. If the lay by is on 1 of their A roads then they will use it.
The highways officers have limited powers with regard to the control of traffic on A roads and motorways. However some of these officers are actually retired police officers and are employed because of their knowledge of main road safety,traffic control etc. This means that even tho they may have no authority over cars parked up near the main roads they can be very well connected, their control will have a direct link to the local police.
Was at the Th..... w... burger bar today and yes there are posters up explaining the carparks will be closed from dawn to dusk from Dec so your source is correct. 
After my last visit to B........ and knowing someone from one of the local villages I am not surprised that they have acted and yes it is the nutters racing around in their saxos etc that has caused this to happen. Quite a topic of conversation for the dog walkers. Just typical when I can start getting out and about again. So if anyone knows of anywhere else to go I'd love to know - pm of course.
After my last visit to B........ and knowing someone from one of the local villages I am not surprised that they have acted and yes it is the nutters racing around in their saxos etc that has caused this to happen. Quite a topic of conversation for the dog walkers. Just typical when I can start getting out and about again. So if anyone knows of anywhere else to go I'd love to know - pm of course. Thanks for the info .Just has I was about to start visiting that area again and I was even thinking about going dressed Never mind anyone able to pms me any alternative places to go? I must admit I can't blame the locals getting fed up with the boyracers driving around like idiots. thanks
Never mind anyone able to pms me any alternative places to go? I must admit I can't blame the locals getting fed up with the boyracers driving around like idiots. thanks Well being from Plymouth originally I always took the idea that northerns were friendlier than the rest with a pinch of salt but now I know it is true. I cannot believe that not 1 person could help me out. I thought that was the idea of the dogging forum but obviously not. You can tell from my profile and some of you would have seen me in the chatrooms to know I am genuine. Never mimd I shall wait until my return home for some fun here in the friendly helpfull east midlands.
Hi I'm visiting Plymouth from monday for a week and I was hoping if any locals could recommend any good dogging areas. I'm a 44 yr old bi male looking for couples or even cd/tv/ts. dogging areas. Not sure what nights I will be free so not looking to make plans to see anyone but just somewhere to go if I find myself free, Please pm any ideas of locations best nights times etc so has to keep the locations private. i won't have internet access when there.
Thanks in anticipation robpet
Thanks in anticipation robpet
