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OK - If you can buy coal - for the sake of argument:
1) For £15 / tonne from Australia
2) For £12 / tonne from Poland
3) For £20 / tonne from UK
Where would you get your coal from?
Fact is coal could (and still can) be mined and shipped half way around the world cheaper than it could have been taken out of the UK mines because of outdated and uneconomic working practices.
So ---- Why keep an outdated and filthy industry that pollutes and contributes massively to Global Warming?
The UK was unprepared for the arrival of the global economy. The Unions fought to keep and enhance protectionist working practices whilst Japanese factories churned out motor vehicles with barely a human interaction and ships manned with "cheap" crews took all of the UK freight and inexpensive coal from overseas made our mines uneconomical to keep open.
Industrial evolution and global economics - not appreciating these issues is common amongst the socialist working class because of long standing beliefs that Britain is truly great. It was, not anymore though.

Quote by Too Hot
OK - If you can buy coal - for the sake of argument:
1) For £15 / tonne from Australia
2) For £12 / tonne from Poland
3) For £20 / tonne from UK
Where would you get your coal from?
Fact is coal could (and still can) be mined and shipped half way around the world cheaper than it could have been taken out of the UK mines because of outdated and uneconomic working practices.
So ---- Why keep an outdated and filthy industry that pollutes and contributes massively to Global Warming?
The UK was unprepared for the arrival of the global economy. The Unions fought to keep and enhance protectionist working practices whilst Japanese factories churned out motor vehicles with barely a human interaction and ships manned with "cheap" crews took all of the UK freight and inexpensive coal from overseas made our mines uneconomical to keep open.
Industrial evolution and global economics - not appreciating these issues is common amongst the socialist working class because of long standing beliefs that Britain is truly great. It was, not anymore though.

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Really you need to be more specific ...which views ?? what aspect of them ??...I wont ask for the titles of the books...we don't want you indirectly naming someone

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No need for kids to do that these days, gas should not soot up the chimney :giggle:

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:grin:

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Wonderful to be invited, but not sure where I would fit in really :sad:
What would a south coast, Tory voting boy bring to the table

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I am a human, with all the same compassion's you have, I also have many sympathies with the individuals and families involved. I also fully understand that mistakes were made by both sides. But that still does not change how I view what I see, just as you view things from your angle

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OK - If you can buy coal - for the sake of argument:
1) For £15 / tonne from Australia
2) For £12 / tonne from Poland
3) For £20 / tonne from UK
Where would you get your coal from?
Fact is coal could (and still can) be mined and shipped half way around the world cheaper than it could have been taken out of the UK mines because of outdated and uneconomic working practices.
So ---- Why keep an outdated and filthy industry that pollutes and contributes massively to Global Warming?
The UK was unprepared for the arrival of the global economy. The Unions fought to keep and enhance protectionist working practices whilst Japanese factories churned out motor vehicles with barely a human interaction and ships manned with "cheap" crews took all of the UK freight and inexpensive coal from overseas made our mines uneconomical to keep open.
Industrial evolution and global economics - not appreciating these issues is common amongst the socialist working class because of long standing beliefs that Britain is truly great. It was, not anymore though.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
OK - If you can buy coal - for the sake of argument:
1) For £15 / tonne from Australia
2) For £12 / tonne from Poland
3) For £20 / tonne from UK
Where would you get your coal from?
Fact is coal could (and still can) be mined and shipped half way around the world cheaper than it could have been taken out of the UK mines because of outdated and uneconomic working practices.
So ---- Why keep an outdated and filthy industry that pollutes and contributes massively to Global Warming?
The UK was unprepared for the arrival of the global economy. The Unions fought to keep and enhance protectionist working practices whilst Japanese factories churned out motor vehicles with barely a human interaction and ships manned with "cheap" crews took all of the UK freight and inexpensive coal from overseas made our mines uneconomical to keep open.
Industrial evolution and global economics - not appreciating these issues is common amongst the socialist working class because of long standing beliefs that Britain is truly great. It was, not anymore though.

Quote by Too Hot
OK - If you can buy coal - for the sake of argument:
1) For £15 / tonne from Australia
2) For £12 / tonne from Poland
3) For £20 / tonne from UK
Where would you get your coal from?
Fact is coal could (and still can) be mined and shipped half way around the world cheaper than it could have been taken out of the UK mines because of outdated and uneconomic working practices.
So ---- Why keep an outdated and filthy industry that pollutes and contributes massively to Global Warming?
The UK was unprepared for the arrival of the global economy. The Unions fought to keep and enhance protectionist working practices whilst Japanese factories churned out motor vehicles with barely a human interaction and ships manned with "cheap" crews took all of the UK freight and inexpensive coal from overseas made our mines uneconomical to keep open.
Industrial evolution and global economics - not appreciating these issues is common amongst the socialist working class because of long standing beliefs that Britain is truly great. It was, not anymore though.

Quote by Bluefish2009
Well I have not written any books but as a 24 year old at the time I watched fascinated as the Miners fought to keep unprofitable pits open, to keep outdated working processes and massive inefficies in the workplace. They lost big time and our country was better because of that.
This forum seems to be full of hyped up lefties with no concept of moving on in life and natural evolution. I find it incomprehensible that some people just can't accept that things in life change and shit happens all the time. Moaning and bleating about it 25 years later is just bollocks. Why on earth should dirty, filthy, stinking mines that could not turn a profit be kept open just to keep people in a job? That is why we have no industrial capacity anymore in this country - the Unions forced uneconomic practices in the motor indudtry, steel, mining and shipping - and now its all gone to countries with a more progressive attitide to industrial evolution.
Shit happens unfortunately but you can't do what the Miners did especially with a Prime Minister like we had at the time.
Embrace change, rejoice in the challenge.

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i firmly hold to the belief that shagging burns up enough calories to keep me fit,i just need to manage 3 meets a day!

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:shock: Did I really just read what I thought I read?

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:grin:

Quote by Too Hot
Well I have not written any books but as a 24 year old at the time I watched fascinated as the Miners fought to keep unprofitable pits open, to keep outdated working processes and massive inefficies in the workplace. They lost big time and our country was better because of that.
This forum seems to be full of hyped up lefties with no concept of moving on in life and natural evolution. I find it incomprehensible that some people just can't accept that things in life change and shit happens all the time. Moaning and bleating about it 25 years later is just bollocks. Why on earth should dirty, filthy, stinking mines that could not turn a profit be kept open just to keep people in a job? That is why we have no industrial capacity anymore in this country - the Unions forced uneconomic practices in the motor indudtry, steel, mining and shipping - and now its all gone to countries with a more progressive attitide to industrial evolution.
Shit happens unfortunately but you can't do what the Miners did especially with a Prime Minister like we had at the time.
Embrace change, rejoice in the challenge.

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Every post on this thread has made me laugh!

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You need to get hold of a 1000ml syringe with a large-gauge needle. Fill it with wallpaper paste - runnier than usual so it's more like semen. Inject it directly into your scrotum about an hour before you got out. Do it from underneath so the injection site doesn't show. :thumbup:
That was a joke btw - for God's sake don't actually do it.

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:shock: Did I really just read what I thought I read?

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Only at the start
*QUOTE* Public opinion during the strike was divided and varied greatly in different regions. When asked in a Gallup poll in July 1984 whether their sympathies lay mainly with the employers or the miners, 40% said employers; 33% were for the miners; 19% were for neither and 8% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 51% had most sympathy for the employers; 26% for the miners; 18% for neither and 5% did not know. When asked in July 1984 whether they approved or disapproved of the methods used by the miners, 15% approved; 79% disapproved and 6% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 7% approved; 88% disapproved and 5% did not know. In July 1984, when asked whether they thought the miners were using responsible or irresponsible methods, 12% said responsible; 78% said irresponsible and 10% did not know. When asked the same question in August 1984, 9% said responsible; 84% said irresponsible and 7% did not know.
A taxi driver, David Wilkie, was killed on 30 November 1984. He had been taking a non-striking miner to work in the Merthyr Vale Colliery, South Wales when two striking miners dropped a concrete post onto his car from a road bridge above. He died at the scene. The two miners served a prison sentence for manslaughter.
From here

And as I said earlier, due the these and other reasons the country lost sympathy's with the strikers.

Quote by Bluefish2009
Only at the start
*QUOTE* Public opinion during the strike was divided and varied greatly in different regions. When asked in a Gallup poll in July 1984 whether their sympathies lay mainly with the employers or the miners, 40% said employers; 33% were for the miners; 19% were for neither and 8% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 51% had most sympathy for the employers; 26% for the miners; 18% for neither and 5% did not know. When asked in July 1984 whether they approved or disapproved of the methods used by the miners, 15% approved; 79% disapproved and 6% did not know. When asked the same question during 5--10 December 1984, 7% approved; 88% disapproved and 5% did not know. In July 1984, when asked whether they thought the miners were using responsible or irresponsible methods, 12% said responsible; 78% said irresponsible and 10% did not know. When asked the same question in August 1984, 9% said responsible; 84% said irresponsible and 7% did not know.
A taxi driver, David Wilkie, was killed on 30 November 1984. He had been taking a non-striking miner to work in the Merthyr Vale Colliery, South Wales when two striking miners dropped a concrete post onto his car from a road bridge above. He died at the scene. The two miners served a prison sentence for manslaughter.
From here

And as I said earlier, due the these and other reasons the country lost sympathy's with the strikers.

Quote by kentswingers777
Many being who exactly? The majority of the country were behind the miners and their fight to stop the pits being closed.

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Sorry matey but I never listen to what a blatant left wing newspaper has to write, certainly with it's own left wing agendas and openly a hater of Thatcher.
You show me where Thatcher said the word " war " herself. It is a typical over hyped reactionary response by a left wing rag.
I am suprised that the Guardian are still going and more importantly making any money, with such a low readership.
This snippet is particularly interesting...
" A full account of the strike of 1984/85 is still to be written. However, we have learned more and more about the then Labour party leader, Neil Kinnock's treachery, the betrayals by the TUC and the class collaboration of union leaders such as Eric Hammond (the electricians' EETPU) and John Lyons (Engineers and Managers Association), who instructed their members to cross picket lines and did all they could to defeat the miners.
We have also seen how many who, like Kinnock, bleated constantly about the need for a ballot during the miners' strike didn't call for the British people to have a ballot in 2003 when Tony Blair took the nation into an unlawful war and the occupation of Iraq ".
That could have been written by a number of members on here.
What is interesting about that deluded article is the fact that Scargill blames everyone else, including the leader of the Labour party, for the downfall of the the miners strike. The only person to take none of the blame is himself......how interesting is that?
You obviously do not know me very well on here.

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And maybe if Thatcher hadn't declared war on the mining industry and the NUM, FF's father wouldn't have been there?

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Bang on the money GNV.....
Can someone more in the know explain this to me...

It clearly states...." It is as plain as a pikestaff that without a national ballot the strike in Derbyshire is unlawful and contravenes union rules,".
I know why Scargill was so against a national ballot....he knew he would probably lose, so called the strike anyway.
But Mr Scargill dismissed the court's findings as irrelevant, describing them as "another attempt by an unelected judge to interfere in the union's affairs."