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Last night I was looking for a copy of the "no Whispers, no directing" warning that room hosts need to post occasionally, but I had difficulty in finding a copy in the AUP or chatroom rules or in this forum. Eventually Redhot kindly supplied two examples as show below -- many thanks Redhot -- but it would be really useful to have them posted as a "sticky" similar to Sarge's "Emoticon" list. Redhot's samples were:-
This is a NO DIRECTING room. Anyone who wishes to *ask, *request*, *suggest*, *hint*, *beg*, *direct* OR *BE DIRECTED* should move to an appropriate room or risk being BOOTED and BANNED. **That includes cam users encouraging directing in this room**. Please read the chatroom rules here - http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/chatroom/user-rules.html
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This is a NO directing room. Users who wish to direct or be directed should move to an appropriate room. Directing also includes asking, wishing, begging or suggesting !!!! All users of this room deserve respect whether they are on cam or not so please ensure you are respectful. Please read and understand the site rules - http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/chatroom/user-rules.html
Thanks again Redhot
Quote by HJ47
... risk being BOOTED and BANNED. .....

As room hosts can not ban members from the site, I would suggest modifying this bit if you choose to use it.
Ian
Thanks for pointing that out Ian -- what I was really hoping for was a "sticky" similar to the "emoticons" sticky full of useful pre-prepared phrases that room hosts could cut and paste to use in their rooms. As it is, we get all sorts of wordings which may or may not be valid (although most do convey the appropriate message).
Thanks
John
Quote by Ian

... risk being BOOTED and BANNED. .....

As room hosts can not ban members from the site, I would suggest modifying this bit if you choose to use it.
Ian
If you post that rule it is true a member cannot ban others, but if they persist in whispering or directing,they could get banned if reported. So they could well end up being booted, but obviously only by an op.
The amount of people (yep, usually single guys) who persistently break the no whispering rule and then come back with "I didn't know the rules" is beyond belief.
When I or many of my fellow chatters host a room we tend to post the Rules message when we receive complaint of someone whispering. It's not uncommon to copy and paste the whisper in order to prove the rule-breaking.
In a busy room of 50+ especially with cams on, that may mean the rules get posted a lot more frequently than some people would like but it has to be done.
As always, there's the one or two numpties that spoil it for the rest.
Quote by flower411
Just because only an opp can ban them doesn`t mean that the warning can`t be made by anybody if they wish to !!!

I agree that ANYBODY can type warnings like that. Then the truly argumentative trouble makers pick up on this point, start arguing the toss on the fact that the person making the warning can't actually do what they are saying. That then snowballs into a whole chatroom of chaos and confusion, so that when an op does arrive, it is a far worse situation than before the warning was given.
I made my original comment following personal experience of the "boot and ban" warning making my life as an op more difficult, not easier.
Ian
Quote by Marya_Northeast
The amount of people (yep, usually single guys) who persistently break the no whispering rule and then come back with "I didn't know the rules" is beyond belief.
When I or many of my fellow chatters host a room we tend to post the Rules message when we receive complaint of someone whispering. It's not uncommon to copy and paste the whisper in order to prove the rule-breaking.
In a busy room of 50+ especially with cams on, that may mean the rules get posted a lot more frequently than some people would like but it has to be done.
As always, there's the one or two numpties that spoil it for the rest.

I'll go with marya on this. As a fairly regular host of a what i hope is a popular room i find it works to put up a warning about whispering. This i tend only too do when i have good knowledge that this is happening to an annoying level. I use the most polite language slightly huumourous maybe to warn people that the whispering is not warranted.
As for directing a lot of people get there kicks out of being able to tell a "cammer" what they want to see or what they want to see done etc. Likewise there are a sizeable amount of cammers who like to be told or instructed. Hey its exhibitionism at the end of the day ain't it. If cammers do not want the attention from "directors" there are the option of the set room giving thus them fredom of choice.
I can see flowers point that the trolling of these messages can bring out the arguementative nature in some chatters (a sizeable chunk of us like a little spat in the chatroom everynow and then it gives it a bit of "j'ne sais quoi!) but I don't find it troublesome most times and as long as remarks that are made to the host. And the host doesnt rise to it a few mins later its quiet again. Failing that given good enough reason the kick button is there as a last resort prior to getting an OP
An example of a warning i would use is this:-

WARNING:- Whisperers will be persecuted lol Please be so kind as to ask first, its poilte - We like polite
Quote by Marya_Northeast
In a busy room of 50+ especially with cams on, that may mean the rules get posted a lot more frequently than some people would like but it has to be done.
As always, there's the one or two numpties that spoil it for the rest.
and posted regular for there are always new people joining the room ,and shows that the room host is keeping a eye on the really cant see what the prob is ,if more people took time out to read some site rules,we in north east room now are well aware of the same ones that come into room who within seconds of joining the room we l know will defo wispa some one ,we as well as marya have often hosted a room ,this gives us a chance of putting the warning up if we see them in,so no one can say that we had never give them the first warning.
I think the idea about having standard messages attached to emoticon-type buttons has some merit. Here's another suggestion for the new chatroom that might help (taking onboard Ian's comments about people getting argumentative when it's posted by room hosts).
How about some static text that appears permanently at the top of the chat window, which is customisable by the room host when they start a room up? There could be (a) no whispering, (b) no directing, (c) directing allowed and others.
Here's a mock-up to give you an idea of what I mean - these options could be tick-boxes or radio buttons the room host selects when opening a room:

The existing message about not whispering uninvited and no posting of URLs or phone numbers is a good one, but it soon scrolls off the screen. A more visible and permanent reminder would be better.
Quote by Lost
An example of a warning i would use is this:-
WARNING:- Whisperers will be persecuted lol Please be so kind as to ask first, its poilte - We like polite

Picking up on the persecution word, and not aiming it in any specific direction, or at any specific person. I do see quite a lot a person being warned and then ejected from a chatroom by the host.
Then, when the person rejoins the chatroom, and they should be permitted to rejoin with a "clean slate" they are then kicked a second time without warning or chance to have had the time to re-offend. A certain couple of hosts will then keep kicking the person over and over again until they eventually give up and go elsewhere.
I don't think we will ever win the battle and have a trouble free site, but we can always dream.
Ian
Yes I see that happening a lot too - perhaps the Create Room box could include a little bit of text reminding hosts that they have responsibilities too.
It would need to be kept short otherwise no-one will ever read it, but could link to the Chatroom Rules and AUP.
Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
I think the idea about having standard messages attached to emoticon-type buttons has some merit. Here's another suggestion for the new chatroom that might help (taking onboard Ian's comments about people getting argumentative when it's posted by room hosts).
How about some static text that appears permanently at the top of the chat window, which is customisable by the room host when they start a room up? There could be (a) no whispering, (b) no directing, (c) directing allowed and others.

With all due respect, some rooms already have no directing, no whispering, etc in titles but still some numpties chose to disregard it and whisper or direct at whim confused
Trawling a message every now and then in a room may be a mild irritant to some members, but being whispered withour asking first, or constantly being directed is also an irritant to others.
Whilst we try to keep a balance, sadly some people just don't read or adhere to the rules, hence the use or pop up warnings, but in the grand scheme of things, is it really that irritating seeing a message pop up now and then? dunno
I would have thought it far more annoying to see multiple members shouting "get out your tits" "show us your fanny" etc all the time :?
TJ
Quote by flower411
Blimey Red !!
You do realise that before long you and I are going to agree totally with each other !!

No we're not . . . . . . :lol2:
wink
Quote by RedHot
<snip>Trawling a message every now and then in a room may be a mild irritant to some members, but being whispered withour asking first, or constantly being directed is also an irritant to others.<snip>

I'm in agreement with you on this one and trawling a standard message is my preferred option. biggrin
I was trying to find a happy medium that would appeal to more people.
the rooms i vist mostely have no directing or uninvited whispers in the room title.
problem is the horny lust driven tend to just be scanning for cams , couple or single fem icons ( in my experience) and do not read the room title.
this is plain when they enter the cornwall room with a id such as lad in berks say ( that is made up) and say anyone want to meet for a shag tonight.
there are the few numpties who will whisper without asking, and continue when requested to stop. one last night infact kept doing it to me and said it was cuse he was a reble, i informed him he was not being rebelious but rude and breacking chat rules.
im often told at this point to get a life lol
any how.... a BIG issue i have is the rooms that are opened by people who dont even look at chat rules let alone follow them.
I often wandered in and had to spend time politely imforming them of all the rules they are breaking. some that are just as simple as saying ok im off now bye, when i say they need to find a op to close the room there oh do i why? they dont boot rule breakers and they even break the rules themselves.
i know chat ops do the job for free, and their time is appriciated, but im starting to feel if chat ( and the site ) is open then considering this site is now making money the owners should ensure there is at least one paid member of staff on duty to deal with issues.
you wouldnt pay your money , enter a night club and then have no staff on hand to deal with trouble makers.
i know issues get dealt with if reported but there is also no follow up to a report, you can never be sure if it was delt with or what action was taken.
im am talking in general terms here, i am not naming anyone.
i have found all chat ops to be excellent, but with the site growing i feel its unfair to load so much work on to them,
maybe you should only be able to open a chat room if you have been granted permission by a op to do so? onec you have shown you HAVE read the rules and you will abide by them. the chat room hosts have a duty here to.
xxxx fem xxx
Quote by fem_4_taboo
i know chat ops do the job for free, and their time is appriciated, but im starting to feel if chat ( and the site ) is open then considering this site is now making money the owners should ensure there is at least one paid member of staff on duty to deal with issues.

We already have one member of the admin team who is devoted soley to this site and it's complaints etc.
Of course several other members also deal with various things behind the scene, but naturally this member does not work 24 hours or seven days a week - hence why the ops are needed to cover unsociable hours etc.
Quote by fem_4_taboo
you wouldnt pay your money , enter a night club and then have no staff on hand to deal with trouble makers.

That's quite correct, but to be fair, in a nightclub situation when things get out of hand, there is often a physical side to problems, fights etc - whereas in a chatroom the worst someone can do is insult you by text - so not really a fair comparison.
All the op's put in many hours each week and at all times of the day and night, so if problems do arise, there is more often than not, at least one of us on line.
Quote by fem_4_taboo
i know issues get dealt with if reported but there is also no follow up to a report, you can never be sure if it was delt with or what action was taken.

That's a fair enough remark and of course everyone who complains would like to know the outcome, but the workload this would cause, really does mean it is not a practical solution at present.
However, I can assure you, that every complaint received does get dealt with at the very earliest opportunity.
If someone does wish to know an outcome, then they could always contact an op or send in support ticket.
Quote by fem_4_taboo
maybe you should only be able to open a chat room if you have been granted permission by a op to do so? onec you have shown you HAVE read the rules and you will abide by them. the chat room hosts have a duty here to.

When the new chatroom arives, it will have the facility to restrict on who can host a room - so if anyone fails to adhere to the rules and guidelines of hosting a room (unfair booting or whatever), they can be blocked from doing so in the future.
Sadly there will always be numpties who do not read or abide by the rules, but then we get them IRL too and sadly just have to work around them ;-) lol
TJ
Quote by fem_4_taboo
im starting to feel if chat ( and the site ) is open then considering this site is now making money the owners should ensure there is at least one paid member of staff on duty to deal with issues.
you wouldnt pay your money , enter a night club and then have no staff on hand to deal with trouble makers.

So, if you have a problem with NTL the call centre is manned 24 hours a day and an engineer will nip round to your house a 3am to fix a television if it goes on the blink??? confused :? :? lol :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mrs GnV says you can come round at 3am anytime Bilky when Mr GnV is on the blink :thumbup:
Quote by fem_4_taboo
...this is plain when they enter the cornwall room with a id such as lad in berks say (that is made up) and say anyone want to meet for a shag tonight...

Was slightly confused by this - people can't change their nicknames on an ad-hoc basis. They have to apply for a change and get it approved (and I believe there's a charge for this.
Totally understand your frustration tho...and as has already been said before in this thread, the people who are most likely to cause the problems are least likely to read the forums.
Quote by RedHot
When the new chatroom arives, it will have the facility to restrict on who can host a room - so if anyone fails to adhere to the rules and guidelines of hosting a room (unfair booting or whatever), they can be blocked from doing so in the future.

This is excellent news - should make your jobs a little easier wink
Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
...this is plain when they enter the cornwall room with a id such as lad in berks say (that is made up) and say anyone want to meet for a shag tonight...

Was slightly confused by this - people can't change their nicknames on an ad-hoc basis. They have to apply for a change and get it approved (and I believe there's a charge for this.

The "That is made up" bit is a name that fem made up to use in this example ............ I think!!
Quote by Sgt Bilko
...this is plain when they enter the cornwall room with a id such as lad in berks say (that is made up) and say anyone want to meet for a shag tonight...

Was slightly confused by this - people can't change their nicknames on an ad-hoc basis. They have to apply for a change and get it approved (and I believe there's a charge for this.

The "That is made up" bit is a name that fem made up to use in this example ............ I think!!
Thats how I read it as well :thumbup:
Quote by flower411
OMG :shock:
I agree with bilko and mallock !!!
wink

It's awful when that happens isn't it?
Quote by Marya_Northeast

OMG :shock:
I agree with bilko and mallock !!!
wink

It's awful when that happens isn't it?
flipa
:giggle:
I need to change my opinion!! :eeek: :eeek:
I'm fussy about who agrees with me!!! confused :? lol :lol: :lol: :lol: wink
Quote by Sgt Bilko
I'm fussy about who agrees with me!!! confused :? lol :lol: :lol: :lol: wink

But that's the only thing you're fussy about right?
Or so I've been told ;-)
:giggle:
this is the warning i use when i open a room, seems to work
:shock PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A NO DIRECTING ROOM :shock
:shock Please do NOT direct members on what they are to display
or do, and ASK before you whisper, these are SITE rules.
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/chatroom/user-rules.html
:shock
the smileys tend to grab ppls attention lol

With all due respect, some rooms already have no directing, no whispering, etc in titles but still some numpties chose to disregard it and whisper or direct at whim confused
Trawling a message every now and then in a room may be a mild irritant to some members, but being whispered withour asking first, or constantly being directed is also an irritant to others.
Whilst we try to keep a balance, sadly some people just don't read or adhere to the rules, hence the use or pop up warnings, but in the grand scheme of things, is it really that irritating seeing a message pop up now and then? dunno
I would have thought it far more annoying to see multiple members shouting "get out your tits" "show us your fanny" etc all the time :?
TJ
A very good point red hot. If there is one thing we hate is whispering without asking. It even says it in our advert, but most guys cannot even read pictures, so what chance is there of reading our advert, or come to that the room title?
When we host a room we usually have no directing or whispers, if people break that they get a warning, but dont give them a second one, as we feel it is they who are annoying, and just cannot stand the crap you usually get if you warn them. Dont read or know the rules, then dont use the site!!!
Quote by Sgt Bilko
...this is plain when they enter the cornwall room with a id such as lad in berks say (that is made up) and say anyone want to meet for a shag tonight...

Was slightly confused by this - people can't change their nicknames on an ad-hoc basis. They have to apply for a change and get it approved (and I believe there's a charge for this.

The "That is made up" bit is a name that fem made up to use in this example ............ I think!!
Ooooops - got it now....do I get an award for being prize numpty?
:silly:
Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Ooooops - got it now....do I get an award for being prize numpty?
:silly:

Feel free to help yourself to my signature penguin - it's about time someone else took a turn at being the dozy bint :lol2:
TJ ;-)
Quote by RedHot
it's about time someone else took a turn at being the dozy bint :lol2:

Thanks! pmsl