I dont usually read the sun, but this headline caught my eye, so I went online to read it
(for those who dont like to click links)
A MUM who has had 13 children is pregnant with her 14th - even though ALL her kids have been taken into care.
Last night brazen baby machine Theresa Winters, 36, vowed to carry on having children until social workers let her and jobless partner Toney Housden, 36, keep ONE.
Defiant Theresa, who lives on benefits in Luton, Beds, declared: "We're not giving up. For every child they take away from me, I'm going to have another one."
Theresa, who has had 13 kids, told The Sun of her determination after revealing she is expecting her 14th in November.
ALL the children were taken into care by social workers who had grave concerns about neglect and "lack of parenting ability" demonstrated by Theresa and her jobless partner Toney Housden.
But the couple, who admit they had problems and could be "aggressive" in the past, insist they are now capable of raising a youngster.
And Theresa, 36, said: "We just want to be a family. I won't stop until they let me keep one."
Last night the couple's actions were branded "scandalous" and "outrageous" by critics.
Cost
And pressure group the Taxpayers' Alliance called Theresa "extremely irresponsible" as it emerged the cost of the care has run into MILLIONS of pounds - paid from the public purse.
Theresa and Toney, 36, live in a one-bedroom council flat outside Luton, Beds, on benefits totalling £1,100 a month.
Both smoked throughout their interview with The Sun despite Theresa's pregnancy.
The serial mum has been expecting every year of her adult life except 2004.
Several of her children were born with disabilities.
But all have been legally adopted except a boy now aged 14 who has cerebral palsy. He remains in foster care which has cost an estimated over the past ten years.
Theresa, who has also suffered a miscarriage, had her first child, a girl, in 1992 when she was 19.
The girl, now 17, and a boy now aged 15 were fathered by her first husband Frederick, who she divorced. He later died of cancer.
She then had three boys, now 14, 13 and 12, with Toney.
Two girls now ten and nine, another boy aged eight and a girl of seven followed.
The couple's next baby died at 18 months after he was born with Pheo Syndrome, a rare condition which stops the brain developing properly.
But they went on to have two more girls, now aged three and two. Their last baby, a boy, was born in March 2008.
The first four children were taken away from the parents after their second birthdays.
Social workers took the others, including the boy who subsequently died, within hours of their births.
Two boys have since been diagnosed with Pheo Syndrome. And the seven-year-old girl is blind.
All Theresa and Toney have is a handful of photos of some of the children as tots - and 13 birth certificates.
Toney said: "We are strangers to those kids but maybe one day they will come looking for us. I hope they do."
Theresa claimed she was wrongly accused of abandoning her latest child.
She said: "I gave birth at and at 10pm I was told he was being taken into intensive care and I couldn't see him.
"I went home as I wanted the support of my friends and family. We went to the hospital with Toney's mum the next day to see the baby - and he'd gone.
"The council filed a report saying we abandoned him. But I never did. I wanted to see him. We never had a phone call, nothing. We have never seen him again."
The couple said they had been so desperate to keep the boy they worked with Luton Council's social services and went to pre-birth assessment classes.
They hoped care workers would agree they had changed.
And they attended sessions in which they were asked how they would cope with children in various circumstances, such as when they were ill. But they said it was all to no avail. They also insisted they agreed to have private counselling as long as it was paid for by the council.
But social services told them to attend a free group session instead.
They refused, saying they did not want to air their issues in front of strangers.
They have asked the council about the possibility of another pre-birth assessment this time around. But they say there has been no response.
Theresa said: "We are being treated like murderers." She added: "If this one is taken away from me I will try for another one. I don't want to because of my health. But we so desperately want to be a little family.
"I want them to give us a chance. If we can't cope I will be the first to admit that and we will never try for children again. But I really think we can do it this time."
Both Theresa and Toney have been accused of being violent towards children but have never been arrested.
Theresa said: "Back when I was 19 I was aggressive but never towards the kids. I told them off as any normal person would. I shouted at them but I never hit them.
"I could shout at the social workers. I used to get very upset about allegations I was beating the kids up. They only saw that if I was aggressive towards them, I could be aggressive towards the kids." Toney also admitted he sometimes lost his temper with the children, but said: "I don't believe in smacking them."
The dad insisted he would "love" to work. But he said: "I want to do it for the right reasons - to support my family. But at the moment the council won't let us be a family."
Luton North MP Kelvin Hopkins has looked into the case.
A letter sent to him by the council said Theresa and Toney cannot keep their children due to "concerns about severe neglect, lack of parenting ability and the consequent risk to any child in their care".
It added assessments carried out over the years "had not revealed any significant change in lifestyle or reduction in risk".
Last night ex-Shadow Home Secretary Ann Widdecombe said: "It's scandalous this woman has had so many children. But what can you do? There is nothing the State can do to stop her."
Fellow Tory MP Philip Davies said: "This is a totally outrageous case and clearly highlights the dependency culture that exists in this country."
Mark Wallace, of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "It's unfair for this mum to simply keep having children in the full knowledge they will be taken into care."
what are your thoughts on this?
Im shocked at the cycle that seems to have spiralled out of control, and it seems that kids are being bought into this world as a battle of wills rather than addressing the real problem....its all very sad indeed.
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13 kids in care, no.14 on the way...is it right?
Sex God
The whole thing seems atrocious doesn't it. I guess if the parents are truly desperate to have a child to make their family and that they truly have changed then is sad that they dont get the chance. Though quite how they would prove that is beyond me.
On the other hand if what is written and reported is to be believed then you have to say that enough is enough and that yes it is wrong. How quite you stop them though is another matter. In conceiving she is commiting no crime and I for one would not like to see laws brought in to stop this even though I guess if I was all powerfull i would stop her from being able to conceive.
An awful state of affairs
On the other hand if what is written and reported is to be believed then you have to say that enough is enough and that yes it is wrong. How quite you stop them though is another matter. In conceiving she is commiting no crime and I for one would not like to see laws brought in to stop this even though I guess if I was all powerfull i would stop her from being able to conceive.
An awful state of affairs
I did put a thread up earlier about this topic, but decided to delete it at the last moment.
I think this just about sums up broken Britain. A woman who admits she will continue to have kids even though they will be taken into care.
A woman who has lived the benefit dependancy lifestyle choice, along with her current layabout boyfriend. These kinds of people I thought were in such a tiny minority but....I have found out they are not the only people with multiple offspring in care.
What a disgusting indictment of our country, and what this Labour Government have created. A whole ammount of people who will not work and pop out kids like horses having a crap.
On the Jon Gaunt show on Thursday he interviewed her on his show. He gave her a reasonable crack of the whip to explain her actions. She just could not see what she is doing wrong.
I am sick and tired of supporting these kinds of irresponsible cretins as a taxpayer, and seeing them continue year after year to take the piss out of the rest of us.
Why should they work when the system allows them to doss around all day doing nothing, other than having unprotected sex, and then letting the rest of us pick up the tab?
If people are interested go onto the Sun website and listen to the podcast of Gauntys interview with her. It makes for depressing listening.
In the artical it talks about sterilisation as an alternative to this woman breeding more kids, that society has to be responsible for, for she certainly will not be around to act as a proper Mother to it. I have grave concerns about this idea but.....maybe she could be an exception.
In the last couple of months we have heard about that slapper of a Mother Karen Mathews, that nasty piece of work who was baby p's so called Mother, and now this Mother. These are no longer isolated incidents of poor Mothers, as the system is allowing this kind of thing to expand.
What depressing reading this woman and her " lifestyle " make. A sad indictment of 21st century Britain.
To those who say " do not moan about it until you have walked a mile in her shoes ", I would say I would not want to walk one centimetre in her shoes.
That's better.....have not had a good rant for ages now.
I think this just about sums up broken Britain. A woman who admits she will continue to have kids even though they will be taken into care.
A woman who has lived the benefit dependancy lifestyle choice, along with her current layabout boyfriend. These kinds of people I thought were in such a tiny minority but....I have found out they are not the only people with multiple offspring in care.
What a disgusting indictment of our country, and what this Labour Government have created. A whole ammount of people who will not work and pop out kids like horses having a crap.
On the Jon Gaunt show on Thursday he interviewed her on his show. He gave her a reasonable crack of the whip to explain her actions. She just could not see what she is doing wrong.
I am sick and tired of supporting these kinds of irresponsible cretins as a taxpayer, and seeing them continue year after year to take the piss out of the rest of us.
Why should they work when the system allows them to doss around all day doing nothing, other than having unprotected sex, and then letting the rest of us pick up the tab?
If people are interested go onto the Sun website and listen to the podcast of Gauntys interview with her. It makes for depressing listening.
In the artical it talks about sterilisation as an alternative to this woman breeding more kids, that society has to be responsible for, for she certainly will not be around to act as a proper Mother to it. I have grave concerns about this idea but.....maybe she could be an exception.
In the last couple of months we have heard about that slapper of a Mother Karen Mathews, that nasty piece of work who was baby p's so called Mother, and now this Mother. These are no longer isolated incidents of poor Mothers, as the system is allowing this kind of thing to expand.
What depressing reading this woman and her " lifestyle " make. A sad indictment of 21st century Britain.
To those who say " do not moan about it until you have walked a mile in her shoes ", I would say I would not want to walk one centimetre in her shoes.
That's better.....have not had a good rant for ages now.
Sexlightened
A thorny question ! she is obviously unfit to have children, as was Karen Mathews, I know in severe cases of congenital mental illness where the mother is also mentally unfit to raise children, or even to give valid consent to sex, sterilisation is regarded as a sensible option, how far should this be extended to borderline cases ? a difficult one, but one that society needs to get it's head around.
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A thorny question ! she is obviously unfit to have children, as was Karen Mathews, I know in severe cases of congenital mental illness where the mother is also mentally unfit to raise children, or even to give valid consent to sex, sterilisation is regarded as a sensible option, how far should this be extended to borderline cases ? a difficult one, but one that society needs to get it's head around.
'congenital mental illness' ??
what the hell is that ? congenital is something that happens in the womb. Can you explain to a dimwit like myself how that can possibly happen with a mental illness?
Also, I would love to know which branch of medicine or law has documented that 'sterilisation is regarded as a sensible option' for people with a mental health condition or, are you voicing your own opinion?
I do apologise if I am being dim.. but I am not as knowledgeable as you.
Sexlightened
Quote by splendid_
A thorny question ! she is obviously unfit to have children, as was Karen Mathews, I know in severe cases of congenital mental illness where the mother is also mentally unfit to raise children, or even to give valid consent to sex, sterilisation is regarded as a sensible option, how far should this be extended to borderline cases ? a difficult one, but one that society needs to get it's head around.
'congenital mental illness' ??
what the hell is that ? congenital is something that happens in the womb. Can you explain to a dimwit like myself how that can possibly happen with a mental illness?
Also, I would love to know which branch of medicine or law has documented that 'sterilisation is regarded as a sensible option' for people with a mental health condition or, are you voicing your own opinion?
I do apologise if I am being dim.. but I am not as knowledgeable as you.
Congenital means as is passed on in the genes, I'm not voicing my own opinion, some of the severe cases are sterilised.
Sex God
Quote by Riotandantony
A thorny question ! she is obviously unfit to have children, as was Karen Mathews, I know in severe cases of congenital mental illness where the mother is also mentally unfit to raise children, or even to give valid consent to sex, sterilisation is regarded as a sensible option, how far should this be extended to borderline cases ? a difficult one, but one that society needs to get it's head around.
'congenital mental illness' ??
what the hell is that ? congenital is something that happens in the womb. Can you explain to a dimwit like myself how that can possibly happen with a mental illness?
Also, I would love to know which branch of medicine or law has documented that 'sterilisation is regarded as a sensible option' for people with a mental health condition or, are you voicing your own opinion?
I do apologise if I am being dim.. but I am not as knowledgeable as you.
Congenital means as is passed on in the genes, I'm not voicing my own opinion, some of the severe cases are sterilised.
Hey R&T I have a feeling that in the UK at least enforced sterilization is cosidered a crime against humanity. Although i know that there has been issues in the news regarding people going to court for reasons that possibly pertain to the "safety" of the woman (i don't think i've heard anything about men ever)
Minefield on this one. Smacks right into the face of genetically cherry picking the human race. God only hopes the lessons of the second World war, being the most notable exzample maybe, have been heeded and never ever forgotten.
Nightmare considering how genetics is advancing. Im awfully glad im not making the decisions
Sex God
I heard about this on the radio and read the big piece on it in the Daily Mail today ... it's a harsh line but ffs 13 kids, all taken from her and 14 on the way? Neither her or hubby work. Spongers who contribute zip to society. I'd go along with sterilising this woman.
Sexlightened
Re Lost's comments on genetic cherry picking, obviously society must be careful, but in a way we already do this, the 1967 abortion act - and I thoroughly support a women's right to choose and think the act is a good piece of legislation - allows abortion where there is a chance the foetus will be malformed etc.
One Dr on the radio recently said that within 5 years it is probable that we will have pre natal detection for autism and that there should be public debate on this. It is generally taken amongst modern society that this is just a common sense approach rather than the "fascist eugenics" smear that comes from Catholic groups.
One Dr on the radio recently said that within 5 years it is probable that we will have pre natal detection for autism and that there should be public debate on this. It is generally taken amongst modern society that this is just a common sense approach rather than the "fascist eugenics" smear that comes from Catholic groups.
I read some of the interview with Gaunty in the Sun, he asked why they don`t work and prove to the social services that they have changed, cleaned up their act etc, her answer was that she had difficulty walking, i bet she does after being pregnanat almost nonstop for so many years, so was claiming benefit, and he was her carer, so also getting an allowance, together they are raking in the amount i get in wages each month and i have to work bloody hard for my money.
Personally i can`t understand the rational of people like these, you cannot just keep having children to replace the ones you had taken into care, they should of cleaned up their act years ago, she was an agressive 19yr old, now she is 35, when do people like this grow up??
Personally i can`t understand the rational of people like these, you cannot just keep having children to replace the ones you had taken into care, they should of cleaned up their act years ago, she was an agressive 19yr old, now she is 35, when do people like this grow up??
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I read some of the interview with Gaunty in the Sun, he asked why they don`t work and prove to the social services that they have changed, cleaned up their act etc, her answer was that she had difficulty walking, i bet she does after being pregnanat almost nonstop for so many years, so was claiming benefit, and he was her carer, so also getting an allowance, together they are raking in the amount i get in wages each month and i have to work bloody hard for my money.
Personally i can`t understand the rational of people like these, you cannot just keep having children to replace the ones you had taken into care, they should of cleaned up their act years ago, she was an agressive 19yr old, now she is 35, when do people like this grow up??
It is and never was a case of growing up. It was and is and always will be, the ability to take the piss out of the rest of us.
These people who lets be fair are 50p short of a pound, know only too well how much money they are entitled to have. They have about as much sense of academics, as I have of building a space rocket but....they know their rights and know where the local post office is to collect our, no sorry their money every week.
This kind of family have been allowed to act this way as have loads of others. Why the f-ck can neither of them work? Where the f-ck is social services and the job centre in all of this?
The only thing wrong with this bunch of scroungers is they cannot understand the stop word.
Kick em out to work, force them to work for their money and maybe then they will appreciate what the taxpayer of this country has to do every day, and it is not dossing around having unprotected sex, to bear another kid destined for the scrap heap.
This is a classic example of why the welfare system needs to be overhauled, and stop these people from getting any money, that the likes of me have had to work for.
Gaunty gave her the rope, and did she hang herself with it. An example of the useless morons this country has bred over the last 15 years of benefit dependancy Britain. No wonder everyone wants to come here, cos it ain't for the weather.
Sex God
i suppose its one way of providing enough children for the adoption market
(said tongue in cheek btw)
(said tongue in cheek btw)
for each child she has she gets £190 healthy in pregnancy money at 25 weeks and another £500 after the 29th week. on top of their reguler benefits.
but whos the fools that should be critizised? them for what shes doing or the government, therfore us for allowing the benifits system to work this way?
x fem
but whos the fools that should be critizised? them for what shes doing or the government, therfore us for allowing the benifits system to work this way?
x fem
Sex God
Would pasteurising be a more humane option?
Sexlightened
I dread to think what impact any or all of those children will have on the world, coming from parents like that.
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Sex God
Please keep all comments within the bounds of decency folks.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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I dread to think what impact any or all of those children will have on the world, coming from parents like that.
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I would hope that the children are in much better homes having much better lives than these two would of provided for them
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Please keep all comments within the bounds of decency folks.
Cheers.
Maybe the Mother should have learned that word Nola?? x
The mother is being Moderated By Social Services. In here, we have the AUP.
The only thing the AUP states is " Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist behaviour towards fellow members, Ops/Mods or Administration staff ".
There is no mention of anyone else that is not a member....unless I am missing something?
That being the case or unless I am wrong, members saying anything negative towards this Mother is allowed?
If anything is not accurate then that could be another thing, but I cannot see anything written above that could be anything other than true.
Unless anyone knows different of course
. Kenty, you're missing many things.
The ability to reason, to see sense, to think outside your red-topped box. The ability to remember your stance. Compassion, rationale, empathy. Perhaps a link or too. A mind of your own- without looking like the jaded hand puppet of a second rate bigoted shock jock. The intellect to argue without doing so "ad hominem"- accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a politically correct, loony lefty, sandal wearing, tree hugging yoghurt knitter. Mental capacity enough to grasp the logic of a given theory, and expand it to relate to other things. Vision in anything other than black and white. I could go on.
In fact, after listing all that, I've come to realise you must quite simply be one big vacuum.
*Yes, it was worth it.
The ability to reason, to see sense, to think outside your red-topped box. The ability to remember your stance. Compassion, rationale, empathy. Perhaps a link or too. A mind of your own- without looking like the jaded hand puppet of a second rate bigoted shock jock. The intellect to argue without doing so "ad hominem"- accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a politically correct, loony lefty, sandal wearing, tree hugging yoghurt knitter. Mental capacity enough to grasp the logic of a given theory, and expand it to relate to other things. Vision in anything other than black and white. I could go on.
In fact, after listing all that, I've come to realise you must quite simply be one big vacuum.
*Yes, it was worth it.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Please keep all comments within the bounds of decency folks.
Cheers.
Maybe the Mother should have learned that word Nola?? x
The mother is being Moderated By Social Services. In here, we have the AUP.
The only thing the AUP states is " Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist behaviour towards fellow members, Ops/Mods or Administration staff ".
There is no mention of anyone else that is not a member....unless I am missing something?
That being the case or unless I am wrong, members saying anything negative towards this Mother is allowed?
If anything is not accurate then that could be another thing, but I cannot see anything written above that could be anything other than true.
Unless anyone knows different of course
.Kent, the AUP also states:
The SH Team has the right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt and/or delete content posted by you in accordance with our terms and conditions.
As a human being (regardless of political leaning or gender or whatever) I found the post I edited to be offensive. Grossly so. I removed the thread and asked for a second opinion from the Admin team. They advised I deleted or edited the post.
I chose to edit the offending part and let the thread run. There are some other views in here that I may disagree with, happy days - debate and differences of opinion are cool. Sometimes people go too far.
Now, as you were... :wink:
Nola....I notice thankfully that it was none of my posts that were ammended.
I am fully aware from past experiences that admin can change anything they like when they like.
It is called keeping your options open and we use it all the time at work in our tiny small print at the bottom of our invoices.
Ok I think this woman is a lovely person, and really cannot see why her kids were taken away at all.
A great example of Motherhood that we should all follow.
I am fully aware from past experiences that admin can change anything they like when they like.
It is called keeping your options open and we use it all the time at work in our tiny small print at the bottom of our invoices.
Ok I think this woman is a lovely person, and really cannot see why her kids were taken away at all.
A great example of Motherhood that we should all follow.
