I avoid town centres like the plauge!! The violence used today just seems to get worse everyday.
The thing is, even if your minding your own buissness in a town centre late at night, trouble will normally find you, in the kebab shop or at the taxi rank normally.
One of the bus routes I drive has a school on it, the police are there EVERYDAY at to keep an eye on things, now I may sound like an old git, but I don't remember police outside my school everyday!
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Are we more violent in the UK?
Quote by foxylady2209
It was this that was the problem.
"I wouldn't expect my wife or any woman to walk alone anywhere late at night."
The equivalent of "I wouldn't expect my wife to - - -" is "I expect my wife NOT to - - -".
So what is she supposed to do if she wants to go somewhere? Get a man to chaperone her?
It may be a good idea for her to be familiar with self-defence and be 'street-wise' but seriously? It comes across as if you think women are not safe unless they are escorted by men. The assumptions of female weakness and male strength are staggering.
No-one, NO-ONE, husband, yoof, gangsta or otherwise tells me which streets I can use and when.
Actually it was i who said that...
And before you say it...i am not of the mentality of the "no wife of mine..."
its only you assuming that she's only safe in the company of a man and that only a man
can protect her,when my wife goes out,she's only with her girlfriends...she knows she is far safer in a crowd than on her own,she doesn't need me to tell her wife and her friends all look out for each other when they are out,but then so do i when i'm out with my mates...its the done thing in my book! 
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
FGS...
Sometimes I detest these forums with a passion in the way words can be used against people.
I know. I hate it when people chuck yer words back in yer face as well mate. Twats!
;)Anyways, back on topic . . .
Kent, the article you've linked to goes on to refute its own premise. i.e. You cannot compare violent crimes across nations in any meaningful way, unless you specifically look at individual crimes like murders per 100 000 people for example, because of differences in the way that violent crime is defined according to the legal system in place in each country. Similarly, you can't compare violent offences recorded in 2009 with violent offences recorded in 1950 in the UK say, because of changes in the law that have since expanded the scope of what constitutes a violent offence, or changes in behaviour as far as the reporting of violent offences goes, yadda yadda ya.
Unless you narrow the comparison right down to specific offences like murder, ((( where we're apparently mid-table strugglers in 13th place in the league, which is chuffin' rubbish!
;) ))) or robbery ((( 5th? ))) the statistics are meaningless. Even then, statistics are always spinnable. You can get any answer you like half the time if you're clever enough to manipulate the data. I can't comment on whether the data has been manipulated or not, or whether we just have wider definitions of what constitutes a violent offence in this country, because a) I'm not a statistician, and b) none of the papers reporting this have thought to provide me with a link to the research.Neil x x x ;)
Master of Sex
The equivalent of "I wouldn't expect my wife to - - -" is "I expect my wife NOT to - - -".
these two phrases are not even similar,never mind the same
not being pedantic,but cant let you get away with that one
these two phrases are not even similar,never mind the same
not being pedantic,but cant let you get away with that one
Quote by neilinleeds
FGS...
Sometimes I detest these forums with a passion in the way words can be used against people.
I know. I hate it when people chuck yer words back in yer face as well mate. Twats!
;)Anyways, back on topic . . .
Kent, the article you've linked to goes on to refute its own premise. i.e. You cannot compare violent crimes across nations in any meaningful way, unless you specifically look at individual crimes like murders per 100 000 people for example, because of differences in the way that violent crime is defined according to the legal system in place in each country. Similarly, you can't compare violent offences recorded in 2009 with violent offences recorded in 1950 in the UK say, because of changes in the law that have since expanded the scope of what constitutes a violent offence, or changes in behaviour as far as the reporting of violent offences goes, yadda yadda ya.
Unless you narrow the comparison right down to specific offences like murder, ((( where we're apparently mid-table strugglers in 13th place in the league, which is chuffin' rubbish!
;) ))) or robbery ((( 5th? ))) the statistics are meaningless. Even then, statistics are always spinnable. You can get any answer you like half the time if you're clever enough to manipulate the data. I can't comment on whether the data has been manipulated or not, or whether we just have wider definitions of what constitutes a violent offence in this country, because a) I'm not a statistician, and b) none of the papers reporting this have thought to provide me with a link to the research.Neil x x x ;)
That I can deal with Neil, as you are well aware I get it most of the time. I am a BIG boy and can handle that.
What I do not like is the twisting of words.
The original question was do others feel it is more violent now than years ago.
Mrs777 saw the replies from some and was genuinly gobsmacked by peoples reactions. She tells me all the time to keep off these forums, that argueing with certain people on here, is a worthless excercise. That is why she does not post on here, and to be honest she hates the way things can be twisted and turned. She has accused me of this too, so I am not innocent.
I do not and never have TOLD mrs777 where to go or what to do. IF and WHEN she does go out I or that obviously should be we, decide the best and safest way for her to get back home.
She saw my comments as caring and not controlling, and she almost wrote a reply herself. But she felt she would be just pandering to peoples small mindedness, which she says she would not waste her time with.
Getting back on topic, have the figures been manipulated or is there an element of serious truth in them. Somehow I think we will not know as figures like opinions can be made to look as good or as bad,to the person who has aquired those figures.
Sex God
Shock! Horror!
Mr Kent, I'm in agreement with you here, well about the sexist issue anyway. Not so much the OP... there's a surprise eh? ;-)
To me your comment about Mrs 777 is rather like the statistics, you can view it in any way you like and take them out of context, twist them around and play with them to make you out as either a saintly, caring husband, or a raving, sexist misogynist. In the same way that the stats can be made to make Britain look like Basra on a bad day, or paradise with Peckham.
I can see why people would choose to take yours and Mr Powers comments and deem them to be a tad sexist, especially when taken out of context, but I didn't read them in that way at all. I'd share similar concerns about people getting home late at night, which is why if my wife or one of our friends needs escorting home or picking up late at night, I will happily do it. That isn't some chauvinistic "poor little woman" attitude, to me it gives me peace of mind knowing they are home safe. (I do that for blokes too by the way, not just girls before I am accused to of blatant automotive induced sexual discrimination)
I once held a door open for a well known, very vocal, feminist at University. She glared at me and stated "Do you not think I can open a door?" So I shut it in her face. Odd how you can view good manners as chauvinism when the occasion suits.
She was such a feminist she was the first to get her tits out at the male rugby club do and dance on the table for them. Right on sister.
I didn't see your comments as being denigrating to women in anyway unless you wanted to interpret them that way. I saw a husband who wanted to be sure his wife and her friends were safe. Something I can empathise with wholly.
However back to the OP, the streets aren't ruled by thugs everywhere. Not yet, but it isn't improving and with this gang culture mentality, it is only going to get worse. But you can't really expect a balanced portrayal of things from the Daily Mail quoting a Conservative sponsored piece of 'research' can you?
Mr Kent, I'm in agreement with you here, well about the sexist issue anyway. Not so much the OP... there's a surprise eh? ;-)
To me your comment about Mrs 777 is rather like the statistics, you can view it in any way you like and take them out of context, twist them around and play with them to make you out as either a saintly, caring husband, or a raving, sexist misogynist. In the same way that the stats can be made to make Britain look like Basra on a bad day, or paradise with Peckham.
I can see why people would choose to take yours and Mr Powers comments and deem them to be a tad sexist, especially when taken out of context, but I didn't read them in that way at all. I'd share similar concerns about people getting home late at night, which is why if my wife or one of our friends needs escorting home or picking up late at night, I will happily do it. That isn't some chauvinistic "poor little woman" attitude, to me it gives me peace of mind knowing they are home safe. (I do that for blokes too by the way, not just girls before I am accused to of blatant automotive induced sexual discrimination)
I once held a door open for a well known, very vocal, feminist at University. She glared at me and stated "Do you not think I can open a door?" So I shut it in her face. Odd how you can view good manners as chauvinism when the occasion suits.
She was such a feminist she was the first to get her tits out at the male rugby club do and dance on the table for them. Right on sister.
I didn't see your comments as being denigrating to women in anyway unless you wanted to interpret them that way. I saw a husband who wanted to be sure his wife and her friends were safe. Something I can empathise with wholly.
However back to the OP, the streets aren't ruled by thugs everywhere. Not yet, but it isn't improving and with this gang culture mentality, it is only going to get worse. But you can't really expect a balanced portrayal of things from the Daily Mail quoting a Conservative sponsored piece of 'research' can you?
Quote by Resonance
I didn't see your comments as being denigrating to women in anyway .. I saw a husband who wanted to be sure his wife and her friends were safe. Something I can empathise with wholly.
I have to say, this is how I saw it too. I saw it as a caring thing meaning, "I can't comtemplate my wife having to do that, we would make arrangements so that this need never happen".
Not a shock really Res, because believe it or not, whilst we do not often agree, you ARE the best poster on this forum by a mile.
Even when I do not agree with you, I scratch my head as to how to put together a suitable reply to you.
You come across as a gentleman and a very inteligent person, and I love reading your replies and comments, as does mrs777.
That out of the way, for do not want others thinking I am sucking up to you.
I am many things Res believe me but....I am nor never have been sexist. In fact I am an advocate for women and their rights. So for someone to accuse me of sexism is well astounding to say the least.
Women should be equal to men in every respect and my comments were taken out of all proportion and twisted around to suit the other persons perceptions of what I wrote.
No I would not let mrs777 walk home alone at night under any circumstances. That is not telling her anything, nor is it controlling. It is simply putting her wellbeing and safety first.
If others want to misinterpret that, then they are welcome to, and if a woman who did not like being " told " how or where to walk, gets into trouble whilst out, then some sections of the public may well think how silly she was to put herself into that situation, just because she was not going to be told where and when to go.
Even when I do not agree with you, I scratch my head as to how to put together a suitable reply to you.
You come across as a gentleman and a very inteligent person, and I love reading your replies and comments, as does mrs777.
That out of the way, for do not want others thinking I am sucking up to you.
I am many things Res believe me but....I am nor never have been sexist. In fact I am an advocate for women and their rights. So for someone to accuse me of sexism is well astounding to say the least.
Women should be equal to men in every respect and my comments were taken out of all proportion and twisted around to suit the other persons perceptions of what I wrote.
No I would not let mrs777 walk home alone at night under any circumstances. That is not telling her anything, nor is it controlling. It is simply putting her wellbeing and safety first.
If others want to misinterpret that, then they are welcome to, and if a woman who did not like being " told " how or where to walk, gets into trouble whilst out, then some sections of the public may well think how silly she was to put herself into that situation, just because she was not going to be told where and when to go.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Not a shock really Res, because believe it or not, whilst we do not often agree, you ARE the best poster on this forum by a mile.
Even when I do not agree with you, I scratch my head as to how to put together a suitable reply to you.
You come across as a gentleman and a very inteligent person, and I love reading your replies and comments, as does mrs777.
That out of the way, for do not want others thinking I am sucking up to you.
I am many things Res believe me but....I am nor never have been sexist. In fact I am an advocate for women and their rights. So for someone to accuse me of sexism is well astounding to say the least.
Women should be equal to men in every respect and my comments were taken out of all proportion and twisted around to suit the other persons perceptions of what I wrote.
No I would not let mrs777 walk home alone at night under any circumstances. That is not telling her anything, nor is it controlling. It is simply putting her wellbeing and safety first.
If others want to misinterpret that, then they are welcome to, and if a woman who did not like being " told " how or where to walk, gets into trouble whilst out, then some sections of the public may well think how silly she was to put herself into that situation, just because she was not going to be told where and when to go.
I can't say that I'd let Mrs R not walk home under "any" circumstances to be honest Mr K. If she positively insisted she was walking home, then I'd have no choice but to let her as regardless of my wishes, she does make up her own mind and always will.
I'd never overrule that.
I would however let it be known that I would be happier knowing that I could come and pick her up and explain why.
However I would trust that the reason she insisted on walking home was a good one and that she would take the safest and quickest route home. There is no way Mrs R would do that simply to prove that she as a female is equal to me. It's not even an issue, if the roles were reversed and I was out late and needed picking up, she would prefer to come and get me rather than let me walk home. And I'm a big scary fecker who's part time job is frightening ogres and teaching Darth Vader how to be bad.
It's nothing to do with sexism for me, it's just peace of mind for her and me. It may come across as a tad outdated and maybe sexist, but that isn't the issue as far as I am concerned and if people believe that, then I'd let them. I'd rather have a safe wife and be thought of as sexist, than a missing/dead wife and be right on politically. Chances are slim I know, but I still prefer not to roll the dice when possible.
However Mr K, if you are saying Mrs K is not allowed to come home on her own, whatever the reason, then I'd have to disagree with that. But that would be the same if you went out and Mrs K would not allow you to walk home without coming to pick you up. It all depends on circumstances really. I don't think you should force your will on anyone else, but I think you can explain your feelings in a way so that they understand them and can perhaps allay them so a compromise can be reached.
The whole issue here Res is the fact that mrs777 would never want to walk home alone anyway. I am always at hand to pick her up.
If she does go out with friends she tends to take her car anyway and the other women she goes out with, all make sure everyone is safely in their cars.
The situation where mrs777 would be out alone at night, walking home just simply would not happen anyway. So this conversation has no relevance really to us.
I would pick her up no matter where or when that might be IF she did not have her car. Say if she wanted to drink. I have also said that if she wanted to drink I would take all of them and pick them all up.
That offer has been taken up and they have all been grateful for that offer. I did it willingly and my main thoughts are that mrs777 gets home safe and sound.
That is a caring and sensible attitude to have. It ain't controlling or Sexist, it is just pure common sense.
A lot of women get into trouble simply by being out on their own at night, and as I have stated before a lot of people would question why a lone female was out at night alone. Nowadays that is just plain silly and is never worth the risk.
If she does go out with friends she tends to take her car anyway and the other women she goes out with, all make sure everyone is safely in their cars.
The situation where mrs777 would be out alone at night, walking home just simply would not happen anyway. So this conversation has no relevance really to us.
I would pick her up no matter where or when that might be IF she did not have her car. Say if she wanted to drink. I have also said that if she wanted to drink I would take all of them and pick them all up.
That offer has been taken up and they have all been grateful for that offer. I did it willingly and my main thoughts are that mrs777 gets home safe and sound.
That is a caring and sensible attitude to have. It ain't controlling or Sexist, it is just pure common sense.
A lot of women get into trouble simply by being out on their own at night, and as I have stated before a lot of people would question why a lone female was out at night alone. Nowadays that is just plain silly and is never worth the risk.
The offence is no doubt caused by the presumption that women are less able to handle themselves in the urban jungle described than men.
Anyway back to the topic.
Obviously the article is a nonsense, the Daily mail reporting stats manipulated by the Tories.
In terms of Bexleyheath and the Medway towns, two areas I have lived and drunk in many times, they are typical "city centres" and have the late night drink associated problems.
As for feeling safe, I usually feel safe in any evironment. I have been a victim of violent crime twice, once in a city centre in the small hours and once on a commuter train at 5pm.
Do I think its worse than 30 years ago? Nope, but then I was in Birmingham back then and it was alot scarier then than my local areas are now.
Do I think the level of drink fuelled crime late night in "city centres" is unacceptable? Yep, and it uses up way too much police and hospital time.
Do I think feral yobs rule the streets late at night in city centres. Yep, they always have and will continue to do so until we do something about our nations drink problem.
Anyway back to the topic.
Obviously the article is a nonsense, the Daily mail reporting stats manipulated by the Tories.
In terms of Bexleyheath and the Medway towns, two areas I have lived and drunk in many times, they are typical "city centres" and have the late night drink associated problems.
As for feeling safe, I usually feel safe in any evironment. I have been a victim of violent crime twice, once in a city centre in the small hours and once on a commuter train at 5pm.
Do I think its worse than 30 years ago? Nope, but then I was in Birmingham back then and it was alot scarier then than my local areas are now.
Do I think the level of drink fuelled crime late night in "city centres" is unacceptable? Yep, and it uses up way too much police and hospital time.
Do I think feral yobs rule the streets late at night in city centres. Yep, they always have and will continue to do so until we do something about our nations drink problem.
Quote by benrums0n
The offence is no doubt caused by the presumption that women are less able to handle themselves in the urban jungle described than men.
Anyway back to the topic.
Obviously the article is a nonsense, the Daily mail reporting stats manipulated by the Tories.
In terms of Bexleyheath and the Medway towns, two areas I have lived and drunk in many times, they are typical "city centres" and have the late night drink associated problems.
As for feeling safe, I usually feel safe in any evironment. I have been a victim of violent crime twice, once in a city centre in the small hours and once on a commuter train at 5pm.
Do I think its worse than 30 years ago? Nope, but then I was in Birmingham back then and it was alot scarier then than my local areas are now.
Do I think the level of drink fuelled crime late night in "city centres" is unacceptable? Yep, and it uses up way too much police and hospital time.
Do I think feral yobs rule the streets late at night in city centres. Yep, they always have and will continue to do so until we do something about our nations drink problem.
You obviously have irrefutable proof that the Tories have manipulated the figures?
Quote by benrums0n
The offence is no doubt caused by the presumption that women are less able to handle themselves in the urban jungle described than men.
Anyway back to the topic.
Obviously the article is a nonsense, the Daily mail reporting stats manipulated by the Tories.
In terms of Bexleyheath and the Medway towns, two areas I have lived and drunk in many times, they are typical "city centres" and have the late night drink associated problems.
As for feeling safe, I usually feel safe in any evironment. I have been a victim of violent crime twice, once in a city centre in the small hours and once on a commuter train at 5pm.
Do I think its worse than 30 years ago? Nope, but then I was in Birmingham back then and it was alot scarier then than my local areas are now.
Do I think the level of drink fuelled crime late night in "city centres" is unacceptable? Yep, and it uses up way too much police and hospital time.
Do I think feral yobs rule the streets late at night in city centres. Yep, they always have and will continue to do so until we do something about our nations drink problem.
Blimey Benny have had to have a sit down.
Agreement.....blimey rarer than a golden chickens egg I think.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.
I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?
Rule the streets??
your words are just as over dramatic as the papers you read!
I do not know where you go of a weekend but go into any town centre after midnight.
This little artical came from the Times of all papers. There are loads of articals about this if you Google it from all kinds of sources.
Are you really saying that town centres are not almost no go areas to the general publc after midnight?
I wonder if your good lady wife would walk home on her own through your local busy high street, at 2 in the morning when the drunken thugs come out of the clubs.
how many local towns have you walked down on a nite at 2am would be my question 2 you or is all your information coming from the media with shock headlines and hour long specials with material that is regurgitated time and time again look closer at the dates on the cams etc
yes some towns are terrible but it is more than just bars and clubs to blame in fact regulation of these business have been tightened to the point of nearly strangling the life out of them how do i know well i work in the industry and more often than not it is people who haven't been in premises that cause the trouble because they are told they can't come in
case in point; working as a mgr of a bar in a n/w town we refused entry to a guy who was drunk he decided to throw a crowd barrier at us yes we put him to the ground with out hitting him i might add called over a local inspector and Sargent who had watched this unfolded they didn't come to our assistance. they decided to give him an on the spot fine until he hit the inspector and we didn't need asking to help turned out guy had been drinking at home before he came out.
in respect of alcohol i am quite conservative in my views and believe that it should be sold in specialist shops not supermarkets and the price from these outlets should regulated closely all drinks offers should be banned creating a level playing field which may help not only with alcohol related trouble and under aged drinking but may help save the pub industry as we know it
this claim of no go areas has been going on for years i remember after the 1981 riots in Moss Side it been deemed no go truth was i walked down through it several time a week at the age of 12 after football practise these claims of no go just breed ghettoisation
the media needs to take a hard look at it's self (it won't) and stop pushing the fear button of the nation
i will also say here that yes there is crime out there and drinking fighting and trouble does happen but it did in days gone by if
enjoy your weekend and don't walk in fear and hope you can all enjoy your wine and bear
Sex God
I've always found it better when perpetrating random acts of violence to remain sober....a clear head makes for a clean getaway
Orgasminator
I don't think violent crime is any worse than before.
More a case of the media using what crime there is to sell papers, and in some cases those in power perhaps painting a slighter blacker picture to obtain / maintain funding levels.
If your unlucky, or in the wrong place at the wrong time, you will experience bad things, and that will effect your viewpoint.
Looking at crime historically, nothing has changed.
'They ran the grimy streets of Manchester and filled the city's courts and police cells, while the media described their codes and gang names in lurid detail - the Bengal Tigers, the Meadow Lads and the She Battery Mob.
But this wasn't another outbreak of modern gun crime, teenage stabbings or hoodie trouble-making. The 'scuttlers', as the whole of Britain learned to know and detest them, were a serious social problem in the 1870s and 80s. '
'They took over music halls, openly paraded with home-made weapons and staged fights where more than 500 young people took part.'
'The sheer number of young teenagers filling the newly-built Strangeways prison and other jails - led Manchester city council to petition the then home secretary for the return of flogging to punish violent crime.'
More a case of the media using what crime there is to sell papers, and in some cases those in power perhaps painting a slighter blacker picture to obtain / maintain funding levels.
If your unlucky, or in the wrong place at the wrong time, you will experience bad things, and that will effect your viewpoint.
Looking at crime historically, nothing has changed.
'They ran the grimy streets of Manchester and filled the city's courts and police cells, while the media described their codes and gang names in lurid detail - the Bengal Tigers, the Meadow Lads and the She Battery Mob.
But this wasn't another outbreak of modern gun crime, teenage stabbings or hoodie trouble-making. The 'scuttlers', as the whole of Britain learned to know and detest them, were a serious social problem in the 1870s and 80s. '
'They took over music halls, openly paraded with home-made weapons and staged fights where more than 500 young people took part.'
'The sheer number of young teenagers filling the newly-built Strangeways prison and other jails - led Manchester city council to petition the then home secretary for the return of flogging to punish violent crime.'
Sex God
I see it very much as does Devon. There is no more violence perpetrated on the people of Britain now just more acknowledged and reported on violence due to the amount of information readily available.
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As for the sexist thing _ i believe in equality although i'm bloody sure that I'd make or take more issue about my daughter/mother/wife/friend walking home from somewhere late at night past pubs clubs through town centres than I would mt brother/father/mother/son/malefriend doing the same.
I'd prbably be well pissy with J if she felt she could walk home at night with the same sort of self assurity than myself. I might be wrong but im not that liberal yet and i think its obviously something my wife, oh I'm, sorry partner suffers with as a burden, her being the little woman obviously.
I'd always want to escort a woman home because i feel protective towards them. So bloody what if thats considered chauvenistic and really awful. For crying out loud strip me of everything I feel and shut me up. Take away my genitalia and make me purely androgenous make me one size fits all coloured grey make me without flavour and without thought or feeling with a set of basic instructions ending with "Dispose of in a responsible way when finished with"
I wouldn't want my wife to walk home on her own even if she wanted to. And if she demanded that right then I guess she would probably be a different person to the one I knew. I'd have to evaluate how i felt at the time not to make issue.
In some things, not all thank god, maybe i'm a throwback to previous generations and i'm happy to be so too.
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As for the sexist thing _ i believe in equality although i'm bloody sure that I'd make or take more issue about my daughter/mother/wife/friend walking home from somewhere late at night past pubs clubs through town centres than I would mt brother/father/mother/son/malefriend doing the same.
I'd prbably be well pissy with J if she felt she could walk home at night with the same sort of self assurity than myself. I might be wrong but im not that liberal yet and i think its obviously something my wife, oh I'm, sorry partner suffers with as a burden, her being the little woman obviously.
I'd always want to escort a woman home because i feel protective towards them. So bloody what if thats considered chauvenistic and really awful. For crying out loud strip me of everything I feel and shut me up. Take away my genitalia and make me purely androgenous make me one size fits all coloured grey make me without flavour and without thought or feeling with a set of basic instructions ending with "Dispose of in a responsible way when finished with"
I wouldn't want my wife to walk home on her own even if she wanted to. And if she demanded that right then I guess she would probably be a different person to the one I knew. I'd have to evaluate how i felt at the time not to make issue.
In some things, not all thank god, maybe i'm a throwback to previous generations and i'm happy to be so too.
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As for the sexist thing _ i believe in equality although i'm bloody sure that I'd make or take more issue about my daughter/mother/wife/friend walking home from somewhere late at night past pubs clubs through town centres than I would mt brother/father/mother/son/malefriend doing the same.
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Losty, is there something you've been wanting to tell us? :shock:
Sex God
Quote by Witchy
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As for the sexist thing _ i believe in equality although i'm bloody sure that I'd make or take more issue about my daughter/mother/wife/friend walking home from somewhere late at night past pubs clubs through town centres than I would mt brother/father/mother/son/malefriend doing the same.
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Losty, is there something you've been wanting to tell us? :shock:
F*ck me is there nothing missed :lol2:
Quote by Lost
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As for the sexist thing _ i believe in equality although i'm bloody sure that I'd make or take more issue about my daughter/mother/wife/friend walking home from somewhere late at night past pubs clubs through town centres than I would mt brother/father/mother/son/malefriend doing the same.
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Losty, is there something you've been wanting to tell us? :shock:
F*ck me is there nothing missed :lol2:
Doesn't look like it's missing parts that's the issue
:lol2:
Sex God
Irony...
One thread moaning about a violent society...
Another stating that the answer is beating our kids...
Life? Don't talk to me about life...
One thread moaning about a violent society...
Another stating that the answer is beating our kids...
Life? Don't talk to me about life...
Sex God
unfortunately..we are a violent race ...
theres never going t obe peace on earth
I sort of don't believe this Joe as i'm a bit of an optomist and think that what man has acheived over the last few thousand years is incredible and that in the case4 of need and want eventually mankind step up to the mark. OK so it takes some weird stuff as regards inflicting pain and suffering getting but we eventually arrive at destinations.
Through evolution and civilisation I believe that we will come to a harmonious state in fact i'd go as far as to say that its inevitable. What does concern me in the odd idle though moment is that will we acheive that state as free thinking individuals or by that time will we be that much run by the state that effectively we'll all be human automotons. A brave new world indeed.
theres never going t obe peace on earth
I sort of don't believe this Joe as i'm a bit of an optomist and think that what man has acheived over the last few thousand years is incredible and that in the case4 of need and want eventually mankind step up to the mark. OK so it takes some weird stuff as regards inflicting pain and suffering getting but we eventually arrive at destinations.
Through evolution and civilisation I believe that we will come to a harmonious state in fact i'd go as far as to say that its inevitable. What does concern me in the odd idle though moment is that will we acheive that state as free thinking individuals or by that time will we be that much run by the state that effectively we'll all be human automotons. A brave new world indeed.
Orgasminator
I think inner city life in the UK is pretty hostile territory, Rural parts much less so. . Don't see many fights of an evening up Glen Coe, , Although it was not always thus!
Sex God
Nope, if you were looking for an example of rural harmony, Glencoe is probably not the ideal, given 1692 and all that.
Bit like choosing Stamford Bridge, Bannockburn, or Culloden.
It is a stunningly beautiful place though, you are lucky if you live there!
Mind you we were such a ferociously hostile nation at times, it's a wonder any place can claim to have an entirely peaceful history.
Bit like choosing Stamford Bridge, Bannockburn, or Culloden.
It is a stunningly beautiful place though, you are lucky if you live there!
Mind you we were such a ferociously hostile nation at times, it's a wonder any place can claim to have an entirely peaceful history.
Sex God
More violent than what ???
Sex God
So a man at his wits end lashes out, thank goodness the judge saw good sense
A man who fired a catapult at louts terrorising his home was yesterday backed by a judge.
Three teenagers had launched a bid for compensation but Judge Gareth Hawkesworth rejected their claims and said they had "brought this very much upon themselves".
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A man who fired a catapult at louts terrorising his home was yesterday backed by a judge.
Three teenagers had launched a bid for compensation but Judge Gareth Hawkesworth rejected their claims and said they had "brought this very much upon themselves".
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