That is the new "thought" by the powers that be.
Will it help the out of control alcohol abuse situation in the UK.
Personally I welcome the ban but don't think it will help enough, not without some restraint on alco pops at the same time.
Us oldies know that when your young you want to start drinking, peer pressure, social pressure, ego and most of all following in parents footsteps or even watching TV where much of the social life centres around pubs, clubs and bars.
The good thing in the past was that beer tastes like crap, yes you become acclimatised to it and even get to like it but it takes time to acquire the taste, not so with alco pops, they taste like pop but have that hidden kick. Cider is very similar.
My local shop sells cans of beer that are 9.8% proof per can, imported from Poland and the Chech republic but also not so far off our more common UK brands.
Anti-social behaviour, 75% of A&E weekend admissions are drink related, a great % of domsestic violence is due to alcohol, more kids in care are from homes where drink has caused the problem the list goes on.
So do we have to take these drastic somewhat "nanny state" controls ?
I think we do. I would like to see more control on all alcohol sales, I applaud councils like mine who have banned the carrying of open alcohol containers in public and whole areas where alcohol is banned. I would like to see more control over the sale of alcohol in supermarkets and convenience stores.
Interestingly you have to be over 18 to buy alcohol free lager in Asda and it cannot be purchased in our local Asda after midnight, this despite the fact that shandy, which you can buy under 18 and after midnight is 0.2% alcohol whereas alchol free beer is %, anomaly or what ?
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Think the OP was talking more about the super strength beers and the likes as opposed to drinking in general.
I am not aware that pubs and clubs actually sell super strength beers. It seems to be the preserve of the off license and supermarkets. I will declare here I am not a drinker, I do not object to drinking alcohol, I just don’t enjoy it. I was once asked to try a sip of the super strength stuff and to be quite honest it was vile. It was sweet with an overpowering odour that I can’t liken to anything else. I asked the person who offered me it why he enjoyed it, he said he didn’t enjoy the taste but enjoyed the effect it had on him. I concluded that the only reason he was drinking it was to get in a state of inebriation as quickly as possible. (a drink problem)
I do see some sense in banning super strength beers but am not sure if this is the choice drink of stay at home alcoholics or whether the drinkers of super strength beers are more likely to develop dependency! I am not sure of the cost difference between super strength beers and the equivalent volume of cheap wine but wouldn’t an alcoholic just switch from one to another if it were banned?
As for paying for anti social behaviour, you already are in your tax! It seems that a responsible licensee suffers for ensuring that his clients are not worse for wear by not selling them alcohol. If he thinks they are drunk but the off licenses and supermarkets only have to ensure people are over a certain age to sell them as much as they can afford not knowing if the purchase is going to be drunk responsibly or even given to minors!
Is it time for a higher rate of duty to be paid for alcohol drunk off licensed premises and a lower one for pubs and clubs? At least that way people cannot get “tanked up at home for a tenner” and may reduce the issues around domestic abuse and the likes.
Super strength beers were removed from all shops in an area of I think it was Ipswich a couple of years ago, domestic violence reduced by half as did admittance to A&E during the hours of on a Friday evening till on a Saturday morning, so maybe worth a national trial!
I am not aware that pubs and clubs actually sell super strength beers. It seems to be the preserve of the off license and supermarkets. I will declare here I am not a drinker, I do not object to drinking alcohol, I just don’t enjoy it. I was once asked to try a sip of the super strength stuff and to be quite honest it was vile. It was sweet with an overpowering odour that I can’t liken to anything else. I asked the person who offered me it why he enjoyed it, he said he didn’t enjoy the taste but enjoyed the effect it had on him. I concluded that the only reason he was drinking it was to get in a state of inebriation as quickly as possible. (a drink problem)
I do see some sense in banning super strength beers but am not sure if this is the choice drink of stay at home alcoholics or whether the drinkers of super strength beers are more likely to develop dependency! I am not sure of the cost difference between super strength beers and the equivalent volume of cheap wine but wouldn’t an alcoholic just switch from one to another if it were banned?
As for paying for anti social behaviour, you already are in your tax! It seems that a responsible licensee suffers for ensuring that his clients are not worse for wear by not selling them alcohol. If he thinks they are drunk but the off licenses and supermarkets only have to ensure people are over a certain age to sell them as much as they can afford not knowing if the purchase is going to be drunk responsibly or even given to minors!
Is it time for a higher rate of duty to be paid for alcohol drunk off licensed premises and a lower one for pubs and clubs? At least that way people cannot get “tanked up at home for a tenner” and may reduce the issues around domestic abuse and the likes.
Super strength beers were removed from all shops in an area of I think it was Ipswich a couple of years ago, domestic violence reduced by half as did admittance to A&E during the hours of on a Friday evening till on a Saturday morning, so maybe worth a national trial!
Quote by Toots
Many many more people drink within the limits, drink happily at home, drink when out and don't brawl/fight or become anti-social than do. Why should those people be made to suffer for nothing more than acting responsibly?
Obviously for the same reason that people who smoke responsibly in their cars when no children ever go in the car ie they cannot be trusted, how can you trust someone who drinks more than someone who smokes or has a mobile phone in their car ?
Quote by herts_darlings1
Think the OP was talking more about the super strength beers and the likes as opposed to drinking in general.
I am not aware that pubs and clubs actually sell super strength beers. It seems to be the preserve of the off license and supermarkets. I will declare here I am not a drinker, I do not object to drinking alcohol, I just don’t enjoy it. I was once asked to try a sip of the super strength stuff and to be quite honest it was vile. It was sweet with an overpowering odour that I can’t liken to anything else. I asked the person who offered me it why he enjoyed it, he said he didn’t enjoy the taste but enjoyed the effect it had on him. I concluded that the only reason he was drinking it was to get in a state of inebriation as quickly as possible. (a drink problem)
I do see some sense in banning super strength beers but am not sure if this is the choice drink of stay at home alcoholics or whether the drinkers of super strength beers are more likely to develop dependency! I am not sure of the cost difference between super strength beers and the equivalent volume of cheap wine but wouldn’t an alcoholic just switch from one to another if it were banned?
As for paying for anti social behaviour, you already are in your tax! It seems that a responsible licensee suffers for ensuring that his clients are not worse for wear by not selling them alcohol. If he thinks they are drunk but the off licenses and supermarkets only have to ensure people are over a certain age to sell them as much as they can afford not knowing if the purchase is going to be drunk responsibly or even given to minors!
Is it time for a higher rate of duty to be paid for alcohol drunk off licensed premises and a lower one for pubs and clubs? At least that way people cannot get “tanked up at home for a tenner” and may reduce the issues around domestic abuse and the likes.
Super strength beers were removed from all shops in an area of I think it was Ipswich a couple of years ago, domestic violence reduced by half as did admittance to A&E during the hours of on a Friday evening till on a Saturday morning, so maybe worth a national trial!
Exactly I said "super strength beers and ciders and from a personal view included alco pops giving my reason for believing these were also a problem. I also said supermarkets and off licence's/convenience stores were the main culprits for selling beer at nearly 10% proof not clubs or pubs.
Sex God
the reason its sold to over 18's, is because it's an adults choice as to what they wish to drink and how much.
lets face it mids if we're gonna ban extra strong drinks then why not unnecessarily fast cars,any cigarette above a low tar rating,certain fast foods like kebab's,extra hot curries etc etc etc.
lets face it mids if we're gonna ban extra strong drinks then why not unnecessarily fast cars,any cigarette above a low tar rating,certain fast foods like kebab's,extra hot curries etc etc etc.
Adult over 18 is all well and good, you have to be 18 to drink alcohol legally, you have to be over 18 to vote, you can go to war as a soldier at 17 so supporting anything that has an over 18 limit whilst not supporting something because the person is under 18 is alright providing you support sending children to war ?
I would support the raising of the age limit for smoking to 18 or even 25.
Thing is we all know that the amount of children from 14 upwards drinking and smoking is large indeed, and to encourage this with the unregulated sale of extra strength alcohol does not help the situation.
I have said before that I support the restrictions similar to those imposed on motorcyclists ie a BHP/cc rated system whereby those of any age who have passed their driving tests within 1 year should only be allowed to drive vehicles at the lower end of the power scale such as 1000cc just as an unqualified motorcyclist can only ride bikes up to 250cc
I would support the raising of the age limit for smoking to 18 or even 25.
Thing is we all know that the amount of children from 14 upwards drinking and smoking is large indeed, and to encourage this with the unregulated sale of extra strength alcohol does not help the situation.
I have said before that I support the restrictions similar to those imposed on motorcyclists ie a BHP/cc rated system whereby those of any age who have passed their driving tests within 1 year should only be allowed to drive vehicles at the lower end of the power scale such as 1000cc just as an unqualified motorcyclist can only ride bikes up to 250cc
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Adult over 18 is all well and good, you have to be 18 to drink alcohol legally,
thats just not true jed
have look here your gonna have a shock
Yes I was surprised, I knew that you there were some circumstances whereby you could drink alcohol legally under the age of 18 but did not realise all the circumstances highlighted in your link, I also badly phrased what I said meaning that you could not legally buy alcohol in the places that sell the super strength products unless you were over 18 and this is still true, but you can still go to war at 17.
I grew up in a pub and the only high strength beer I remember being sold was Gold Label Barley Wine in a small bottles normally mixed with a Ale or a Stout so I'd expect the ABV % to work out about that of a strong lager say 6% ish 
or pretty close maybe less ?
Ban Extra strong lager / beer ... Nope!.. I've Lost a lost of friends through drink and its a real shame and not nice, lost alot of friends through wars, fast cars, slow cars, idiot drivers etc what next make idiots illegal (now there's a thought).
All comes down to personal choice if you want to drink it drink it but I dont see the super strength beers in the pub like Tenants Extra Special Brew blah blah sold in the pubs or bars.
Are you sure it's 17 ?
Had to double check on this with google but it seems the same as when i was in, no-one under the age of 18 is to engage in a hostile situation as expected in a war zone.
16 and 17 year olds can join the Army but cannot be sent to a war zone.
or pretty close maybe less ?Ban Extra strong lager / beer ... Nope!.. I've Lost a lost of friends through drink and its a real shame and not nice, lost alot of friends through wars, fast cars, slow cars, idiot drivers etc what next make idiots illegal (now there's a thought).
All comes down to personal choice if you want to drink it drink it but I dont see the super strength beers in the pub like Tenants Extra Special Brew blah blah sold in the pubs or bars.
Quote by MidsCouple24
you can go to war as a soldier at 17
Are you sure it's 17 ?
Had to double check on this with google but it seems the same as when i was in, no-one under the age of 18 is to engage in a hostile situation as expected in a war zone.
16 and 17 year olds can join the Army but cannot be sent to a war zone.
Quote by Meeko
I grew up in a pub and the only high strength beer I remember being sold was Gold Label Barley Wine in a small bottles normally mixed with a Ale or a Stout so I'd expect the ABV % to work out about that of a strong lager say 6% ish
Ban Extra strong lager / beer ... Nope!.. I've Lost a lost of friends through drink and its a real shame and not nice, lost alot of friends through wars, fast cars, slow cars, idiot drivers etc what next make idiots illegal (now there's a thought).
All comes down to personal choice if you want to drink it drink it but I dont see the super strength beers in the pub like Tenants Extra Special Brew blah blah sold in the pubs or bars.
you can go to war as a soldier at 17
Are you sure it's 17 ?
Had to double check on this with google but it seems the same as when i was in, no-one under the age of 18 is to engage in a hostile situation as expected in a war zone.
16 and 17 year olds can join the Army but cannot be sent to a war zone.
In Edit and apologies for those 15 :
"Between June 2003 and July 2005, the British government inadvertently sent fifteen 17-year-old soldiers to Iraq, explaining the mistake as due to "the pressures on units prior to deployment"
But I'm sure they would enjoy a drink unless every squaddie has gone T-Total
Are you sure it's 17 ?
Had to double check on this with google but it seems the same as when i was in, no-one under the age of 18 is to engage in a hostile situation as expected in a war zone.
16 and 17 year olds can join the Army but cannot be sent to a war zone.
I am not sure if the MoD or Government has changed the rules but I served with 17 year old lads in the Falklands campaign 1982, in Northern Ireland in the early 70s in Zimbabwe in 1980 and in Cyprus back in 74, I myself did my first tour of NI in 1972 at the ripe old age of 17 when I was stationed at Ebrington Barracks Londonderry, so Yes I am sure.
Private Mark Eyles-Thomas fought on Mount Longdon as part of 3 Para, he was 17 years old at the time. Mr Eyles-Thomas saw his three fellow 17-year-olds from The 3rd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment – Privates Scrivens, Jason Burt and Neil Grose – die in front of him during the brutal battle of Mount Longdon in which 18 soldiers were killed on 11 June 1982.
Old enough to die not old enough to drink or vote for those that sent them, had those 3 soldiers lived they would only have had to wait another 8 years and they would have been allowed to buy cigarettes in Asda or Tesco.
I am absolutely sure
Had to double check on this with google but it seems the same as when i was in, no-one under the age of 18 is to engage in a hostile situation as expected in a war zone.
16 and 17 year olds can join the Army but cannot be sent to a war zone.
I am not sure if the MoD or Government has changed the rules but I served with 17 year old lads in the Falklands campaign 1982, in Northern Ireland in the early 70s in Zimbabwe in 1980 and in Cyprus back in 74, I myself did my first tour of NI in 1972 at the ripe old age of 17 when I was stationed at Ebrington Barracks Londonderry, so Yes I am sure.
Private Mark Eyles-Thomas fought on Mount Longdon as part of 3 Para, he was 17 years old at the time. Mr Eyles-Thomas saw his three fellow 17-year-olds from The 3rd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment – Privates Scrivens, Jason Burt and Neil Grose – die in front of him during the brutal battle of Mount Longdon in which 18 soldiers were killed on 11 June 1982.
Old enough to die not old enough to drink or vote for those that sent them, had those 3 soldiers lived they would only have had to wait another 8 years and they would have been allowed to buy cigarettes in Asda or Tesco.
I am absolutely sure
Banning the sale of high strength lager / cider will not have any effect on the control of alcohol abuse. Again it is ill conceived and ill thought out and a knee jerk reaction to pander to the Daily Mail readership.
To control the abuse of alcohol you must address the problem at its source and find out why some people have the mindset to reach for the bottle.
BTW mids its not youngsters who have passed their test killing themselves on motorcycles. it's old farts like myself who are getting back on them after a 20 year lay-off. As we are the ones who don't have the reactions to handle the machines/pocket rockets.
To control the abuse of alcohol you must address the problem at its source and find out why some people have the mindset to reach for the bottle.
BTW mids its not youngsters who have passed their test killing themselves on motorcycles. it's old farts like myself who are getting back on them after a 20 year lay-off. As we are the ones who don't have the reactions to handle the machines/pocket rockets.
Sex God
interesting news today that we have our first recorded death from marijuana poisoning :huh:
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Banning the sale of high strength lager / cider will not have any effect on the control of alcohol abuse. Again it is ill conceived and ill thought out and a knee jerk reaction to pander to the Daily Mail readership.
To control the abuse of alcohol you must address the problem at its source and find out why some people have the mindset to reach for the bottle.
BTW mids its not youngsters who have passed their test killing themselves on motorcycles. it's old farts like myself who are getting back on them after a 20 year lay-off. As we are the ones who don't have the reactions to handle the machines/pocket rockets.
That is probably very true though I have never looked at the age/death/crash statistics of motor cyclists, I just think it is a good idea to restrict the cc/Bhp capacity on both motorcycles as it is and on cars until drivers/riders have gained some experience.
Sex God
Quote by Toots
Many many more people drink within the limits, drink happily at home, drink when out and don't brawl/fight or become anti-social than do. Why should those people be made to suffer for nothing more than acting responsibly?
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