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BNP supporters were you proud of Griffin's performance on QT?

If you're a BNP voter, member, supporter ect. I wonder what your opinion of his performance on QT.
If you courage to come out feel free to discuss your views.
This is not about the BNP's policies. It's about discussing what was said in the programme. And how he dealt with it.
I only got to see some of it...but i only have one question...what the fuck was that woman from the British Museum rattling on about the Romans for?
Looking in from the outside (at the poll) there could be a need for another/more option(s)
i.e
There are those that may feel he wasn't given a chance to give answers on certain questions/subjects fairly dunno
Disclaimer.
I shall not be voting ;-)
Quote by Al1963
If you're a BNP voter, member, supporter ect. I wonder what your opinion of his performance on QT.
If you courage to come out feel free to discuss your is not about the BNP's policies. It's about discussing what was said in the programme. And how he dealt with it.

Oh come on...that's not really your intention is it?
Quote by Mr-Powers
If you're a BNP voter, member, supporter ect. I wonder what your opinion of his performance on QT.
If you courage to come out feel free to discuss your is not about the BNP's policies. It's about discussing what was said in the programme. And how he dealt with it.

Oh come on...that's not really your intention is it? Yes it is smile I've nothing from BNP supporters in relation to this.(it seems like they are hiding).
Quote by Steve
Looking in from the outside (at the poll) there could be a need for another/more option(s)
i.e
There are those that may feel he wasn't given a chance to give answers on certain questions/subjects fairly dunno

Quote by Steve
Disclaimer.
I shall not be voting ;-)
Down to you
I'm get a get this thread deleted and repsot a revised version.
Nobody is going to vote yes here, or to openly admit to being a member.....ask yourself why after seeing Griffin constantly bullied the other night.
It was NOT a reflection in my view of two sides of an arguement. It was Griffin against everyone else.
People are too scared for fear of recriminations to openly admit supporting is where my arguement of being underground being a dangerous game.
Quote by kentswingers777
Nobody is going to vote yes here, or to openly admit to being a member.....ask yourself why after seeing Griffin constantly bullied the other night.
It was NOT a reflection in my view of two sides of an arguement. It was Griffin against everyone else.
People are too scared for fear of recriminations to openly admit supporting is where my arguement of being underground being a dangerous game.

Agreed.
i also think left wing militants forcing their views on you are no different than right wing facists doing the same!!
Quote by Mr-Powers
Nobody is going to vote yes here, or to openly admit to being a member.....ask yourself why after seeing Griffin constantly bullied the other night.
It was NOT a reflection in my view of two sides of an arguement. It was Griffin against everyone else.
People are too scared for fear of recriminations to openly admit supporting is where my arguement of being underground being a dangerous game.

Agreed.
i also think left wing militants forcing their views on you are no different than right wing facists doing the same!!
Agreed also.
People on here have seen the way I have been treated purely because I have expressed MY views on immigration. I have been slandered and vilified, so can you imagine what would happen in the real world?
Now all of a sudden it is " hip hop " to talk about immigration BUT only because of the BNP.
We all saw Straw the other night not wanting to answer the most important question of all. BUT when a black man and a Muslim woman say it has to be controlled, I never heard one single voice in that audience saying they were racist, or bigots.....hmmmm very strange that one.
You see there are always people out there who would just rather shout racist and try to shut people up by using that tag, than to sit down and openly discuss a subject that is a massive issue to millions of people.
Now it looks that is exactly what they now plan to do. What a strange world we live in when politicians are cornered they then start to lie and backtrack.
Most people would never admit to being a member of the BNP and on the evidence of the way I have been treated and the " circus " and one sided arguement the other night, are you really that fecking suprised?
Also the slogan " British jobs for British workers " has been used on this site as a racist arguement. WHY?
British people come in all shapes and sizes, colours and creeds, so how the heck can that be racist to say that? It is not.
Some just will not or cannot smell the coffee, they would rather shut the BNP and it's supporters up by screaming racists, when all that does is to force people to silently express their views, and then put the x's on their ballot papers. How the heck does that solve the problem?
Are the same people who have labelled me racist now going to call those people on Question time racists, or Government politicians racist for saying it has to be controlled? Somehow I very much doubt it.
As I said earlier...." a strange world we live in ".
I will openly admit I agree with some of the views of the BNP.
Why should I have to go to the bottom of the council waiting list which is currently 12 years when asylum seekers are put at the top?
Why are so many call centres moving to foreign countries and then when you call them they can’t understand you and you can’t understand them.
Why was my daughter taught at school about Islam before Christianity? I for one do not have any religious views at all, but coming from a Christian country I would have liked to think that they would have been taught about Christianity first.
Why does my son come home from school asking to learn Polish over languages like French German or Spanish.
Why is the NHS employing nurses and doctors from 3rd world countries when they need them in that country, they are encouraging more immigration problems, pay nurses and doctors a decent wage in this country and more people would stay working for the NHS.
Why are there more managers in the NHS than beds?
£160 billion is being spent on merging our armed forces with Brussels’ controlled super army, why do this when the money could be spent on equipment for our troops who are currently in Afghanistan.
Nick griffin bullied...what a load of tosh.
He and the BNP have been requesting repententation on question time for 3 years now. They and he was well aware he would not exactly get a warm reception. Fact is he was poorly briefed, and had no answers...and dug himself such holes with comments like" the KKK were a non violent organization !! " that he showed himself up to be a one dimensional, slimeball bigot that he is.
He got what he deserved.
I notice and read with interest in the paper....the BNP are now calling for a leadership contest as they feel he is not up to the mark !!!
Dean are you really saying what we saw the other night was a two sided arguement?
It in my opinion was a " circus " with the host being the ring master.
All that people were intersted in was to make Griffin look a twat. Ok they did that but did it harm the BNP in anyway? I think not.
Apparently last night is stated on the tv that more people would vote BNP in an election than in the European ones, according to a poll.
We all knew what was going to happen the other night, so was no big suprise to me. Yes he did himself no favours but come on is he really as clever as most of those people on Question time week in and week out? Of course not, so he was always going to make himself look a doughnut.
We can argue these points until the cows come home, the bottom line is that unless the immigration problem is talked about and things done about it in a constructive way, the BNP will flourish...allbeit under cover.
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Nobody is going to vote yes here, or to openly admit to being a member.....ask yourself why after seeing Griffin constantly bullied the other night.
It could have done "anonymously". There are some people who unabashedly admit mebership. Just like the picks of some members of SH in obscure their faces or place them in private album and others will have a full facial pics in the public album. I was eliciting replies. I felt he was exposed.
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It was NOT a reflection in my view of two sides of an arguement. It was Griffin against everyone else.
That's what thread is about to hear from anyone who would stick up for him. David Dimbleby let me down when should have chaired the discussion not acted like a panelist at times. I would have been better to have a "live" programme where he is interviewed and viewers can call, text or e-mail the show.
Quote by kentswingers777
People are too scared for fear of recriminations to openly admit supporting is where my arguement of being underground being a dangerous game.
Fear is the seed of ills.
Quote by deancannock
...and dug himself such holes with comments like" the KKK were a non violent organization !! " that he showed himself up

The way I heard it he actually said that that particular branch/section or whatever they call themselves were not violent....
I am in no way agreeing with the KKK either before anyone goes putting words into my mouth .....
i am flabagasted.....that anyone would think any part of the KKK was non violent. He himself once realiseing he said it tried to back track.
Kenty....yes it was one sided....because he had no answers. He sat there with a nervous smile saying that the quotes attributed to him were lies. Then when it was pointed out it was on youtube....he back tracks and said...okay may of said it...but not meant in that way !!! He asked to go on the program... he was well aware of the type of questions he would get.. I was very surprised he wasn't better prepared. He simply had no answers.
Very true Dean but for me it was not a debate, it was a situation that would never normaly be allowed to happen on Question Time.
Yes the guy is an arse, and yes he failed to answer questions put to him, but then again Straw was made to look like the liar he is, and he is an accomplished politician.
There were a few hand claps in the audience when Griffen said something, but that was was no balanced arguements at all. In a debate should there have been a more balanced view on things? It seemed to me that the audience were very carefully hand picked, and on the questionair it was stated the more provocotive the question the better. That sounds fair. :shock:
I still stand by what I said earlier in that whilst Griffin looked a twat, I do not believe that he did himself any harm, or should I say people who would vote for him still will. Plus the poll suggests more would vote for him after the show than before it. So it was not too negative for him it seems.
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Dean are you really saying what we saw the other night was a two sided arguement?
It in my opinion was a " circus " with the host being the ring master.
All that people were intersted in was to make Griffin look a twat.

Griffin IS a twat.
But - I kind of agree with you Kenty. I think if they had followed the traditional format of the show, and discussed imigration as well as the postal strike, and other issues that would normally have been on the schedule, I think he would have exposed his fascist policies even more than he did when he was simply defending himself.
And - people wouldn't be able to say he didn't have a fair chance to speak.
Soul-girl, your post (thank you for it anway)is wasn't about as to why you agree with some or all of the policies. It was about how a BNP supporter felt about the way he was handled and how conducted himself on the programme.
To reiterate my question:

Quote by I initially
If you're a BNP voter, member, supporter ect. I wonder what your opinion of his performance on QT.
If you courage to come out feel free to discuss your views.
This is not about the BNP's policies. It's about discussing what was said in the programme. And how he dealt with it.

Lets answer you points one by one.
Quote by soul-girl
I will openly admit I agree with some of the views of the BNP.
Thank you for your honesty and courage.
Quote by soul-girl
Why should I have to go to the bottom of the council waiting list which is currently 12 years when asylum seekers are put at the top?
THAT'S BULLSHIT :!: Asylum seekers have ran away from countries with opressive regimes. Many have to risk their lives to come into this country. A question to you. Would you risk your life. by means of drowning in makeshift "boat". Getting hyperthermia (remember the seas around Britain are cold even in summer). Or walk through a 21 mile tunnel with trains constantly going at 150mph, for an "easy" life? would you? Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work, nor have an entititled to apply for council houing. The truth is anyone applying for asylum has to do so via the UKBA for support. If they pass stringent rules. Then get support for temporary accomadation which is usually hard to let (one's that British would refuse). Also the fincancial support get is 70% that of benefits that British people has to struggle on. They run the risk of a failed application. The housing is list goes by number of points alloted. Not on nationality. Now you the 12 year wait for council housing is beacause of the Right To Buy excercised in the previous two decades and they haven't replaced the sold properties. I know of one London Borough where they sold all their properties either via the RTB or a stock trasnfer. My brother (who has 18 years experience in housing and has a HND in the subject) would find that statement laughable. These are lie, distorted truths and myths.
You could try doing a google search.

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Why are so many call centres moving to foreign countries and then when you call them they can’t understand you and you can’t understand them.
Simple, they did it to save money. The cost of living in India is a lot less than it in the UK. But, business realised that this was a costly mistake (owing to the amount of complaints). Now most are UK based ("British jobs for British workers")
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Why was my daughter taught at school about Islam before Christianity? I for one do not have any religious views at all, but coming from a Christian country I would have liked to think that they would have been taught about Christianity first.
Whoops, can't you see that you've contradict yourself. If you're into religion why should you worry about what religion your daughter learns. You're sounding like convent, CofE schools are extinct.
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Why does my son come home from school asking to learn Polish over languages like French German or Spanish.
Another falacy. What about Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish. Polish is a European language. Like French German & Spanish are.
Quote by soul-girl
Why is the NHS employing nurses and doctors from 3rd world countries when they need them in that country, they are encouraging more immigration problems, pay nurses and doctors a decent wage in this country and more people would stay working for the NHS.
Becuse there's a skill shortage. What should be encourage is affordable training for student nurses and junior doctors. And make accomdation affordable especial for NHS staff who live in London.
Quote by soul-girl
Why are there more managers in the NHS than beds?
I don't know the validity of that. I bet it's another BNP vote capturing lie.
Quote by soul-girl
£160 billion is being spent on merging our armed forces with Brussels’ controlled super army, why do this when the money could be spent on equipment for our troops who are currently in Afghanistan.
I don't about that. I've Griffin say that way in Iraq (British forces) was uneccessary.
For the benefit of soul-girl and others. Here's the distintions between an asylum seeker, a refugee and an economic migrant.
Taken from the Coventry City Council's website:

What is an asylum seeker?
An asylum seeker is a person who has arrived here and has applied to the Home Office to stay in the UK because they fear persecution in their country of origin. While the Home Office is considering their case, they are classified as asylum seekers and they are not usually allowed to work.
If asylum seekers are not able to support themselves they may be placed in temporary accommodation and given some financial support – adults are currently entitled to 70% of the amount paid to residents receiving income support benefit. Asylum seekers must demonstrate that they meet very strict criteria if their application is to be successful. In 2007 27% of asylum applicants were granted asylum at their first hearing; 23% of those who appealed against a refusal were subsequently allowed to remain here as well.
What is a refugee?
A refugee is defined (under the 1951 United Nations convention relating to the status of refugees) as “a person who, owing to a wellfounded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that  The Convention was drafted in response to the horrors of the Holocaust, when fleeing Jewish refugees were denied entry by many countries, and because of the millions of people who became refugees in Europe during and after World War II.
If a person meets these criteria, and their asylum claim is accepted by the Home Office, they are granted refugee status. This gives them the right to remain in the United Kingdom for five years – then their case is reassessed.
What is the difference between asylum seekers and refugees?Asylum seekers are waiting for the Home Office to make a decision about their application to stay in the UK. Refugees have had their application accepted and can stay in the UK. They are allowed to work, must pay taxes and are entitled to the same benefits as any other citizen.
Where do asylum seekers and refugees come from?
Asylum seekers come from all over the world. In 2007 across Britain
the largest numbers came from Iraq, Eritrea, Zimbabwe, China, Pakistan, North Korea and Sri Lanka.
What is an economic migrant?
An economic migrant is someone who comes to the UK to work.
European Union (EU) citizens, including UK citizens, have the right to live and work in any other EU member state but are not entitled to all that member state’s benefits. Since 2005 twelve countries, mainly from eastern Europe, have joined the EU and these are known as the accession states. Many recent economic migrants to the UK come from these countries, particularly from Poland. The most recent of the EU accession states are Bulgaria and Romania who joined in January 2007. For seven years workers from these two countries can only apply for jobs in a few industries in the UK such as food processing and agriculture or apply to set up their own business.
Non-EU citizens have to get a special visa and a work permit from the Home Office before they can legally work in the UK. A new five tier points system is being introduced in the UK for non EU migrant workers from 2008. This has been designed to ensure that only those with the skills most in need will gain entry to work in the UK.
Soul-girl, your post (thank you for it anway)is wasn't about as to why you agree with some or all of the policies. It was about how a BNP supporter felt about the way he was handled and how conducted himself on the programme.
To reiterate my question:

Quote by I initially
If you're a BNP voter, member, supporter ect. I wonder what your opinion of his performance on QT.
If you courage to come out feel free to discuss your views.
This is not about the BNP's policies. It's about discussing what was said in the programme. And how he dealt with it.

Lets answer you points one by one.
Quote by soul-girl
I will openly admit I agree with some of the views of the BNP.
Thank you for your honesty and courage.
Quote by soul-girl
Why should I have to go to the bottom of the council waiting list which is currently 12 years when asylum seekers are put at the top?
THAT'S BULLSHIT :!: Asylum seekers have ran away from countries with opressive regimes. Many have to risk their lives to come into this country. A question to you. Would you risk your life. by means of drowning in makeshift "boat". Getting hyperthermia (remember the seas around Britain are cold even in summer). Or walk through a 21 mile tunnel with trains constantly going at 150mph, for an "easy" life? would you? Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work, nor have an entititled to apply for council houing. The truth is anyone applying for asylum has to do so via the UKBA for support. If they pass stringent rules. Then get support for temporary accomadation which is usually hard to let (one's that British would refuse). Also the fincancial support get is 70% that of benefits that British people has to struggle on. They run the risk of a failed application. The housing is list goes by number of points alloted. Not on nationality. Now you the 12 year wait for council housing is beacause of the Right To Buy excercised in the previous two decades and they haven't replaced the sold properties. I know of one London Borough where they sold all their properties either via the RTB or a stock trasnfer. My brother (who has 18 years experience in housing and has a HND in the subject) would find that statement laughable. These are lie, distorted truths and myths.
You could try doing a google search.

Quote by soul-girl
Why are so many call centres moving to foreign countries and then when you call them they can’t understand you and you can’t understand them.
Simple, they did it to save money. The cost of living in India is a lot less than it in the UK. But, business realised that this was a costly mistake (owing to the amount of complaints). Now most are UK based ("British jobs for British workers")
Quote by soul-girl
Why was my daughter taught at school about Islam before Christianity? I for one do not have any religious views at all, but coming from a Christian country I would have liked to think that they would have been taught about Christianity first.
Whoops, can't you see that you've contradict yourself. If you're into religion why should you worry about what religion your daughter learns. You're sounding like convent, CofE schools are extinct.
Quote by soul-girl
Why does my son come home from school asking to learn Polish over languages like French German or Spanish.
Another falacy. What about Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish. Polish is a European language. Like French German & Spanish are.
Quote by soul-girl
Why is the NHS employing nurses and doctors from 3rd world countries when they need them in that country, they are encouraging more immigration problems, pay nurses and doctors a decent wage in this country and more people would stay working for the NHS.
Becuse there's a skill shortage. What should be encourage is affordable training for student nurses and junior doctors. And make accomdation affordable especial for NHS staff who live in London.
Quote by soul-girl
Why are there more managers in the NHS than beds?
I don't know the validity of that. I bet it's another BNP vote capturing lie.
Quote by soul-girl
£160 billion is being spent on merging our armed forces with Brussels’ controlled super army, why do this when the money could be spent on equipment for our troops who are currently in Afghanistan.
I don't about that. I've Griffin say that way in Iraq (British forces) was uneccessary.
Quote by Al1963
. Now you the 12 year wait for council housing is beacause of the Right To Buy excercised in the previous two decades and they haven't replaced the sold properties. I know of one London Borough where they sold all their properties either via the RTB or a stock trasnfer. My brother (who has 18 years experience in housing and has a HND in the subject) would find that statement laughable. These are lie, distorted truths and myths.
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Sorry but you are wrong here. The housing shortage has not been caused by the fact that council homes were sold ...they were sold to existing council tennants and therefore the council lists would have been reduced by a corresponding amount. As long as these houses are occupied and not standing empty, then they are in no way contributing to any housing shortage. What HAS contributed, is the fact that insufficient new houses have been built to accommodate the increasing population. If the houses that were sold off were still council owned, there would still be a housing shortage.
Right to Buy allowed many working class people to invest in their bricks and mortar instead of paying dead rent.
Quote by Max777
. Now you the 12 year wait for council housing is beacause of the Right To Buy excercised in the previous two decades and they haven't replaced the sold properties. I know of one London Borough where they sold all their properties either via the RTB or a stock trasnfer. My brother (who has 18 years experience in housing and has a HND in the subject) would find that statement laughable. These are lie, distorted truths and myths.
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Sorry but you are wrong here. The housing shortage has not been caused by the fact that council homes were sold ...they were sold to existing council tennants and therefore the council lists would have been reduced by a corresponding amount. As long as these houses are occupied and not standing empty, then they are in no way contributing to any housing shortage. What HAS contributed, is the fact that insufficient new houses have been built to accommodate the increasing population. If the houses that were sold off were still council owned, there would still be a housing shortage.
Right to Buy allowed many working class people to invest in their bricks and mortar instead of paying dead rent.
Whilst the sale of social housing may not have contributed to the housing shortage per se it has certainly adversely affected the availability of decent affordable rented properties...the problem here is that council houses should have been sold at full market value and any monies reinvested in public housing stock...not at knock down prices in a tory attempt to gerrymander the vote
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. Now you the 12 year wait for council housing is beacause of the Right To Buy excercised in the previous two decades and they haven't replaced the sold properties. I know of one London Borough where they sold all their properties either via the RTB or a stock trasnfer. My brother (who has 18 years experience in housing and has a HND in the subject) would find that statement laughable. These are lie, distorted truths and myths.
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Sorry but you are wrong here. The housing shortage has not been caused by the fact that council homes were sold ...they were sold to existing council tennants and therefore the council lists would have been reduced by a corresponding amount. As long as these houses are occupied and not standing empty, then they are in no way contributing to any housing shortage. What HAS contributed, is the fact that insufficient new houses have been built to accommodate the increasing population. If the houses that were sold off were still council owned, there would still be a housing shortage.
Right to Buy allowed many working class people to invest in their bricks and mortar instead of paying dead rent.
Whilst the sale of social housing may not have contributed to the housing shortage per se it has certainly adversely affected the availability of decent affordable rented properties...the problem here is that council houses should have been sold at full market value and any monies reinvested in public housing stock...not at knock down prices in a tory attempt to gerrymander the vote
:thumbup:That's my point that there was no rebuilding to replace the sales of their stock. And what they are building is is for private sale. Pricing people out of the market.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
. Now you the 12 year wait for council housing is beacause of the Right To Buy excercised in the previous two decades and they haven't replaced the sold properties. I know of one London Borough where they sold all their properties either via the RTB or a stock trasnfer. My brother (who has 18 years experience in housing and has a HND in the subject) would find that statement laughable. These are lie, distorted truths and myths.
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Sorry but you are wrong here. The housing shortage has not been caused by the fact that council homes were sold ...they were sold to existing council tennants and therefore the council lists would have been reduced by a corresponding amount. As long as these houses are occupied and not standing empty, then they are in no way contributing to any housing shortage. What HAS contributed, is the fact that insufficient new houses have been built to accommodate the increasing population. If the houses that were sold off were still council owned, there would still be a housing shortage.
Right to Buy allowed many working class people to invest in their bricks and mortar instead of paying dead rent.
Whilst the sale of social housing may not have contributed to the housing shortage per se it has certainly adversely affected the availability of decent affordable rented properties...the problem here is that council houses should have been sold at full market value and any monies reinvested in public housing stock...not at knock down prices in a tory attempt to gerrymander the vote
Can't disagree with you Stagger......but the problem has been perpetuated by successive governments.
Bugger it's no fun when people agree with you biggrin
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Bugger it's no fun when people agree with you biggrin

wink
I agree with some of the bnp's ideas.
I am a member.
Quote by kentswingers777
Nobody is going to vote yes here, or to openly admit to being a member.....ask yourself why after seeing Griffin constantly bullied the other night.
Wrong Kenty.
Quote by browning
I agree with some of the bnp's ideas.
I am a member.

Halleujah biggrin
What did you thought of NG's performance on QT last Thursday and they he was handled was proud, embarrased infurated? How did effect your opinion of the party.
Quote by kentswingers777
Nobody is going to vote yes here, or to openly admit to being a member.....ask yourself why after seeing Griffin constantly bullied the other night.
It was NOT a reflection in my view of two sides of an arguement. It was Griffin against everyone else.
People are too scared for fear of recriminations to openly admit supporting is where my arguement of being underground being a dangerous game.

I would support him if he had anything that could possibly be of benefit to the country..From what I have read and know of him and his party Im as well voting for the Monster ravers as they, like him have as much chance of getting to office as I do of sitting on top of everest by Tea time...
Oh and was he Bullied...Poor chap....
Quote by browning
I agree with some of the bnp's ideas.
I am a member.

Fair play to you Browning.
The trouble is only a very small percentage of people will admit this fact.
It was not too long ago when someone ( in the Government probably )released all members of the BNP onto the internet. Any other organisation would have sued but I cannot find any reference to anything happening about this.
It was wrong to do that as people must surely have been fearful for their jobs and their own security.
Some people seem to think it is an illegal party....but it is NOT. Well not yet anyway but IF they were to win any seats in Parliament, I wonder what the powers to be would do about that? Ban them?
As it is MOST are underground and we are supposed to live in a country of free speech. :shock:
It seems some can have that luxury and others cannot.
Can you tell me Browning....if you do not mind, why you are a member and what makes you vote for them? Is there anything in particulars they say that appeals to you, or is it all their policies.
You certainly do not have to answer this if you do not want too.
(Not a BNP supporter - just a voter ;) Mr Griffin claims he was bullied which is rich coming from someone whose "political party" members have convictions for attacking and bullying others. Apart from that, he distinguished himself with all the charm of a megalomaniac lol