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Quote by Kaznkev
On the radio this morning it was announced that Experion and similar private companies are to be employed to investigate benefit fraud.
A neighbour of mine had awful trouble with one of there agencies because of the actions of her ex husband.i have also read of other cases where they have made massive mistakes.
What do others think of them being brought in to do this?
They also said that of the 5 billion only 1 billion was fraud,the other 4 is caused by errors.
Wouldn't it make more sense to look at structures and working practices to eliminate as much of this as possible?

It would be a great idea to look at both practices......fraud and the errors.
5 billion pounds is a shit load of money and could do wonderful things in getting genuine people back to work, and many job placement schemes.
Councils employ private firms all the time and as long as this is carefully monitored, then I do not see a problem with using one of those firms.
There apparently is going to be some very drastic new measures coming in the Autumn as far as benefit fraud goes. It has become a nightmare with so many benefits which is obviously open to much abuse. Anything that gets those figures reduced will be a big yes from me.
The trouble is trying to change peoples attitudes towards getting a job, as the figures stated in the week show households who have never had a job.
Any savings need to be put back into things that can help those get back into work, and yes cutting benefit fraud will of course be a hard thing to do, and no doubt affect some genuine claimants along the way, but we have to do something to stop this disease.
Sorry I got the figure about jobless households wrong....it is actually this.

That is the kind of barrier the Government have to break with regards to benefits.
For those who did not hear this on the radio this morning, here is a link from the much loved Mail. wink
Quote by Kaznkev
On the radio this morning it was announced that Experion and similar private companies are to be employed to investigate benefit fraud.
A neighbour of mine had awful trouble with one of there agencies because of the actions of her ex husband.i have also read of other cases where they have made massive mistakes.
What do others think of them being brought in to do this?
They also said that of the 5 billion only 1 billion was fraud,the other 4 is caused by errors.
Wouldn't it make more sense to look at structures and working practices to eliminate as much of this as possible?

if Experion is involved in anything then innocent people will wrongly be accused and possibly harassed
their mis-information and lack of proper back ground checks result in so many people being accused of all sorts already just ask your local council tax office
the city, hedge funds and wankers can commit fraud in the hundreds of billions, being too big too fail, they get bailed out by us (the tax payer) and pay themselves millions in bonuses. in return for our support, we get austerity. cuts in benefits, closure of schools, hospitals, fire stations and the sack for hundreds of thousands of local authority workers and still the economy goes down ?
fragile recovery ? green shoots ? some phucker is smokin em ! and meanwhile every phucker gets the sack we are going to have the big society where sacked workers have to volunteer to do what they did before with pay ? cut the lazy phuckers benefits as well but not for the too big to fail, only for the too small to save ! BENEFIT FRAUD ? WHO THE PHUCK BENEFITS ?
Quote by gulsonroad30664
the city, hedge funds and wankers can commit fraud in the hundreds of billions, being too big too fail, they get bailed out by us (the tax payer) and pay themselves millions in bonuses. in return for our support, we get austerity. cuts in benefits, closure of schools, hospitals, fire stations and the sack for hundreds of thousands of local authority workers and still the economy goes down ?
fragile recovery ? green shoots ? some phucker is smokin em ! and meanwhile every phucker gets the sack we are going to have the big society where sacked workers have to volunteer to do what they did before with pay ? cut the lazy phuckers benefits as well but not for the too big to fail, only for the too small to save ! BENEFIT FRAUD ? WHO THE PHUCK BENEFITS ?

Deja Vu dunno
Quote by gulsonroad30664
the city, hedge funds and wankers can commit fraud in the hundreds of billions, being too big too fail, they get bailed out by us (the tax payer) and pay themselves millions in bonuses. in return for our support, we get austerity. cuts in benefits, closure of schools, hospitals, fire stations and the sack for hundreds of thousands of local authority workers and still the economy goes down ?
fragile recovery ? green shoots ? some phucker is smokin em ! and meanwhile every phucker gets the sack we are going to have the big society where sacked workers have to volunteer to do what they did before with pay ? cut the lazy phuckers benefits as well but not for the too big to fail, only for the too small to save ! BENEFIT FRAUD ? WHO THE PHUCK BENEFITS ?

im not sure if this is a rant or a personal attack rotflmao:rotflmao::rotflmao:
Personally it is a balancing act between identifying benefit cheats and wrongly identify someone as a cheat. I am a bit concerned about credit reporting agencies being employed to do this, instead of the government. However I do believe there are many out there who abuse the system and I do believe if it is properly done it will lead to savings for the government.
I agree. Experion doing it is the most worrying thing. They're quite a 'guilty until proven innocent and even then you're probably still guilty' kind of company. They've got bad records on loads of people for the wrong reasons and they're not quick to put thing right either.
Can we try really really hard to keep it in mind that benefit fraud is not the same as benefits that the daily mail do not think should be paid.
One is fraud, the other is malevolent hogwash.
Now in term sof using experion, I cant think of any reason why they should be any less competent than the incumbents.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
On the radio this morning it was announced that Experion and similar private companies are to be employed to investigate benefit fraud.
A neighbour of mine had awful trouble with one of there agencies because of the actions of her ex husband.i have also read of other cases where they have made massive mistakes.
What do others think of them being brought in to do this?
They also said that of the 5 billion only 1 billion was fraud,the other 4 is caused by errors.
Wouldn't it make more sense to look at structures and working practices to eliminate as much of this as possible?

if Experion is involved in anything then innocent people will wrongly be accused and possibly harassed
their mis-information and lack of proper back ground checks result in so many people being accused of all sorts already just ask your local council tax office
Well spotted. Local authorities have been using Experian for years and not seeing any noticeable change to stats on benefits fraud.
The benefits fraud bit of this story is a smokescreen for the government privatizing work to Experian, who just happen to have a member of the cabinet as a significant shareholder.
And to cap it all Experian are going to insist on 'incentives' (bonusses to you and me) for actually finding any frauds.
Expect cock-ups.
A cabinet minster!!....major shareholder a the company benefiting from a Government contract!! well I never
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
A cabinet minster!!....major shareholder a the company benefiting from a Government contract!! well I never

Nah... they must be mistaken....
Quote by GnV
A cabinet minster!!....major shareholder a the company benefiting from a Government contract!! well I never

Nah... they must be mistaken....
Really?
Quote by awayman
A cabinet minster!!....major shareholder a the company benefiting from a Government contract!! well I never

Nah... they must be mistaken....
Really?

You're so clever Brian...

I'm all for investigateing and stopping benefit fraud. We indeed can save alot of money that will go towards better projects hopefully.
However I do wish they would put as much effort and show as much concern about the tax fiddles and fraud that goes on. Would save ourselves 5 times the amount I would say. Or is it that these people are a little more clever and so would take more effort. Or maybe they have friends in higher places.
Fraud is fraud......no mater if committed by some false benefit claim for £20k a year..or a false tax return that saves the person 50k a year !!!!
I agree.
Quote by deancannock
I'm all for investigateing and stopping benefit fraud. We indeed can save alot of money that will go towards better projects hopefully.
However I do wish they would put as much effort and show as much concern about the tax fiddles and fraud that goes on. Would save ourselves 5 times the amount I would say. Or is it that these people are a little more clever and so would take more effort. Or maybe they have friends in higher places.
Fraud is fraud......no mater if committed by some false benefit claim for £20k a year..or a false tax return that saves the person 50k a year !!!!

What he said......but I do think there is a difference....and it is the difference between greed and need
Quote by deancannock
I'm all for investigateing and stopping benefit fraud. We indeed can save alot of money that will go towards better projects hopefully.

However I do wish they would put as much effort and show as much concern about the tax fiddles and fraud that goes on. Would save ourselves 5 times the amount I would say. Or is it that these people are a little more clever and so would take more effort. Or maybe they have friends in higher places.
Fraud is fraud......no mater if committed by some false benefit claim for £20k a year..or a false tax return that saves the person 50k a year !!!!

I seem to remember reading this week somewhere that the amount of money lost to fraud was less than the amount of money paid out by officials as a result of a mistake - not on the claimants part but on the officials part!
Simplifying the system would surely help here.
I recall you are right.
Quote by awayman
A cabinet minster!!....major shareholder a the company benefiting from a Government contract!! well I never

Nah... they must be mistaken....
Really?

Typical tory for you, in it for themselves and whats good for them and theres.
bollix to anything worth while, just bullsut them. there all thick.
smoke and mirrors, properganda yet again!!
more fcuk ups to come Gauranteed.
errrrr...
hang on a mo....
the Labourites are past masters at this
Is it me or as far as I can remember the Tories have not been in power for how many years?
All the fuck ups in the last decade have been the Socialists fault, in particular bollocks face Blair and his sidekick the muppet Brown.
Mind you though should not be suprised as people are still blaming thatcher, for todays problems. lol :lol: :lol:
Quote by kentswingers777
Is it me or as far as I can remember the Tories have not been in power for how many years?
All the fuck ups in the last decade have been the Socialists fault, in particular bollocks face Blair and his sidekick the muppet Brown.
Mind you though should not be suprised as people are still blaming thatcher, for todays problems. lol :lol: :lol:

In all their years of power, the labour front bench continued to deride Thatcher even though most of the more recent problems were of their own making...
go figure, as the yanks say
Socialist ????? i must have missed that week
The great joy of politics is of course that when in government it is always the previous governments fault......when in opposition it is always the present governments fault....the joy of being in the lib-dems was that they could blame both at the same time....they've buggered that up now though
Oh and in case I haven't made it clear previously .... the truth is that EVERYTHING is Thatchers fault
"its the rich wot get's the pleasure, it's the poor wot get's the blame. Aint it all a fucking shame"
lol
i remember when they were in, and they fucked the NHS magie wanting it all to be private with life pears mostly tory i might add,Labour made the NHS if im not mistaken, have We not had the benefit of it all these years ?
(edwiner curry) and she fcuked up schools and then the salmalina edwiner they called her incharge of the food right after the gce gcse fiasco of the late 80` strikes minors strikes, binmen strikes, none of that happend in 10 years !! oh wait there were more strikes than i mention. families torn apart. not happened in over 10 yrs.
and put themselves incharge of most of the private systems being board members,
were they not in for over 16yrs previously to labour !!
what your on about comes from world events not , current finacial climate...anyone.
bankers are not MP and vice versa!!
thats my point.
i may have mentioned tory but i kept it ON TOPIC lol
i was going to delete it, but since it sparked off let it ride my son.
*cough* i hope they keep IT light hearted now!!
Yeah its Maggies fault lol
it doesn't matter what the colour the tie is they all seem to end up a shitty brown colour in the end :color:
Quote by Thor_male
lol
i remember when they were in, and they fucked the NHS magie wanting it all to be private with life pears mostly tory i might add,Labour made the NHS if im not mistaken, have We not had the benefit of it all these years ?
(edwiner curry) and she fcuked up schools and then the salmalina edwiner they called her incharge of the food right after the gce gcse fiasco of the late 80` strikes minors strikes, binmen strikes, none of that happend in 10 years !! oh wait there were more strikes than i mention. families torn apart. not happened in over 10 yrs.
and put themselves incharge of most of the private systems being board members,
were they not in for over 16yrs previously to labour !!
what your on about comes from world events not , current finacial climate...anyone.
bankers are not MP and vice versa!!
thats my point.
i may have mentioned tory but i kept it ON TOPIC lol
i was going to delete it, but since it sparked off let it ride my son.
*cough* i hope they keep IT light hearted now!!

:huh: