Has anyone else seen these two news stories today?
One concerns a lady who was allegedly told her visible disability was unacceptable in a public service role by her employer.
The other concerns the fact that those who are sectioned under the mental health act are automatically barred from being an MP.
I wondered if I was alone in finding these stories shocking and the attitudes they exhibit unacceptable.
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Quote by benrums0n
Has anyone else seen these two news stories today?
One concerns a lady who was allegedly told her visible disability was unacceptable in a public service role by her employer.
The other concerns the fact that those who are sectioned under the mental health act are automatically barred from being an MP.
I wondered if I was alone in finding these stories shocking and the attitudes they exhibit unacceptable.
With so many MP's claiming the Chiltern Hundreds, the seat must be over occupied by now, so I guess they have to find another way out :grin:
Sex God
To be absolutely honest here and at the risk and in the knowledge of being slammed. I think the fact that if someone has been sectioned under mental health it probably warrants not being able to stand as an MP in my mind. Ok there will be differences in the cases of why people are sectioned, but not withstanding, i think its fair.
Orgasminator
Quote by Lost
To be absolutely honest here and at the risk and in the knowledge of being slammed. I think the fact that if someone has been sectioned under mental health it probably warrants not being able to stand as an MP in my mind. Ok there will be differences in the cases of why people are sectioned, but not withstanding, i think its fair.
Ditto
Quote by Lost
To be absolutely honest here and at the risk and in the knowledge of being slammed. I think the fact that if someone has been sectioned under mental health it probably warrants not being able to stand as an MP in my mind. Ok there will be differences in the cases of why people are sectioned, but not withstanding, i think its fair.
Sounds a very reasonable arguement to me Losty.
Sex God
I agree that people should be judged on an individual, case by case basis.
In my role, I have to teach equality and diversity. I am not racist, sexist or anything else ist and definately do not discriminate against anyone with a disability or special need as I have lived alongside disability all of my life.
I was quite shocked though, to discover that a person with a disability (which includes metnal illness) is automatically guaranteed an interview if they meet all of the desired criteria for a job when a person without a disability is not. I was also shocked to find out that there is currently something going through parliament which will mean that an employer will in the future be able to choose a person from an ethnic minority background for a job above a white person just because of their race, colour or culture.
Some may feel that this is the way ahead but I personally feel that to positively discriminate in this way goes against everything that people from minority groups have faught for for years - equality!!
In my role, I have to teach equality and diversity. I am not racist, sexist or anything else ist and definately do not discriminate against anyone with a disability or special need as I have lived alongside disability all of my life.
I was quite shocked though, to discover that a person with a disability (which includes metnal illness) is automatically guaranteed an interview if they meet all of the desired criteria for a job when a person without a disability is not. I was also shocked to find out that there is currently something going through parliament which will mean that an employer will in the future be able to choose a person from an ethnic minority background for a job above a white person just because of their race, colour or culture.
Some may feel that this is the way ahead but I personally feel that to positively discriminate in this way goes against everything that people from minority groups have faught for for years - equality!!
Sex God
Ben, the first is true where employers voluntarily opt into the Those employers are required under the scheme to guarantee interviews to those disabled candidates who meet the criteria required.
The second is currently going through parliament. Where there's a tie-break for a vacancy, employers will be allowed to discriminate in certain cirumstances, should they choose to do so, in favour of women and / or ethnic minorities over white men in order to improve balance in the workplace. It's not intended to allow wholesale positive discrimination. More
N x x x ;)
The second is currently going through parliament. Where there's a tie-break for a vacancy, employers will be allowed to discriminate in certain cirumstances, should they choose to do so, in favour of women and / or ethnic minorities over white men in order to improve balance in the workplace. It's not intended to allow wholesale positive discrimination. More
N x x x ;)
Sex God
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It's not intended to allow wholesale positive discrimination.
N x x x ;)
I'm sure it is not intended to allow positive discrimination but it will, and I know of people from minority groups who are against this bill for the simple reason that they do not want preferential treatment, they want to be treated as equals.
Quote by Lost
To be absolutely honest here and at the risk and in the knowledge of being slammed. I think the fact that if someone has been sectioned under mental health it probably warrants not being able to stand as an MP in my mind. Ok there will be differences in the cases of why people are sectioned, but not withstanding, i think its fair.
Ditto
Sex God
I'm with Losty. :thumbup:
Quote by Funlovers2009
I agree that people should be judged on an individual, case by case basis.
In my role, I have to teach equality and diversity. I am not racist, sexist or anything else ist and definately do not discriminate against anyone with a disability or special need as I have lived alongside disability all of my life.
I was quite shocked though, to discover that a person with a disability (which includes metnal illness) is automatically guaranteed an interview if they meet all of the desired criteria for a job when a person without a disability is not. I was also shocked to find out that there is currently something going through parliament which will mean that an employer will in the future be able to choose a person from an ethnic minority background for a job above a white person just because of their race, colour or culture.
Some may feel that this is the way ahead but I personally feel that to positively discriminate in this way goes against everything that people from minority groups have faught for for years - equality!!
We weren't allowed to discuss positive discrimination when I was at Uni as that all stopped in the late 70's early 80's.
I personally - would hate to see that legislation come in as practically all those who I know would like a job based on their knowledge, skills and experiences - as long its a fair and equal interview process!
Be interesting to see how this one pans out!
As for the opening post - I tend to agree with what Lost said. Although, I do think it depends how long ago that it occurred. Many people successfully over come mental illnesses or have had therapy to learn how to manage with their illness. Depends what sort of mental illness it is?
Wasn't this highlighted last year when a report said something like 1 in 5 MP's have suffered from a stress related mental illness?
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Ok so on the basis that those who have been sectioned shouldnt be allowed to be MP's are there any other jobs that such people shouldnt be allowed to do?
Yes there are.
Blind people for the time being shouldn't be opticians,taxi drivers or pilots. Deaf people shouldn't be lollipop persons, Crimnals shouldn't be Police officers, Wheelchair users should not be steeple jacks or scaffolders at present ermmmloads of things really if thought about Those with anger management issues shouldn't be traffic wardens,
Oh and I should probably not be a gyneaocologist. Well there wouldn't be enough hours in the day really would there
Sex God
Stephen Fry.
Suffers severe Bipolar disorder. May have been sectioned (I don't know) but certainly needed a great deal of help when he had a complete breakdown some years ago.
I would vote him into parliament in a heartbeat!
Suffers severe Bipolar disorder. May have been sectioned (I don't know) but certainly needed a great deal of help when he had a complete breakdown some years ago.
I would vote him into parliament in a heartbeat!
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
Stephen Fry.
Suffers severe Bipolar disorder. May have been sectioned (I don't know) but certainly needed a great deal of help when he had a complete breakdown some years ago.
I would vote him into parliament in a heartbeat!
Would that mean that at points during his bipolarness he would be unfit to make decisions that could affect the wider community? If so then I'd disagree with you foxy. I realise that most people probably have times in their lives that they are unfit for actions that they do but to have prior knowledge of them would make it really bad form surely?
Sex God
Quote by Lost
Stephen Fry.
Suffers severe Bipolar disorder. May have been sectioned (I don't know) but certainly needed a great deal of help when he had a complete breakdown some years ago.
I would vote him into parliament in a heartbeat!
Would that mean that at points during his bipolarness he would be unfit to make decisions that could affect the wider community? If so then I'd disagree with you foxy. I realise that most people probably have times in their lives that they are unfit for actions that they do but to have prior knowledge of them would make it really bad form surely?
Better to be aware of the possibility and act in advance by taking medication, or removing self temporarily from that decision, than carry on ignorant and assuming it's everyone else that's wierd.
How's about this for bizarre political correctness - my O.H was pulled up in work because he wrote "Eric is not able to use this piece of equipment as he only has one leg"
Apparently he should have said, "Eric is not able to use this piece of equipment as he has one leg" - leaving out the word "only" - which was apparently demeaning to Eric. Eric who wasn't going to see the report anyway.
Apparently he should have said, "Eric is not able to use this piece of equipment as he has one leg" - leaving out the word "only" - which was apparently demeaning to Eric. Eric who wasn't going to see the report anyway.
Quote by benrums0n
Did you know Churchill exhibited bipolar disorder symptoms. My dad reckons that why he was so shit.
He certainly did and he invented the term 'Black Dog' for his fits of depression. I have a close friend who's Bipolar and when he's taking a dip in moods, he dreams of a black dog. Funny that
I wonder if ageism is a valid discrimination? I was turned down for a job recently for which I am more than qualified and experienced in for over 20 years. Personally I think I was binned when they read 'Age:49' :dry:
Sex God
Quote by Funlovers2009
Some may feel that this is the way ahead but I personally feel that to positively discriminate in this way goes against everything that people from minority groups have faught for for years - equality!!
Quite right Funlovers! Discrimination is discrimination regardless of the prefix.
However context is everything and Lost is correct in pointing out the following;
Quote by Lost
Blind people for the time being shouldn't be opticians,taxi drivers or pilots. Deaf people shouldn't be lollipop persons, Crimnals shouldn't be Police officers, Wheelchair users should not be steeple jacks or scaffolders at present ermmmloads of things really if thought about Those with anger management issues shouldn't be traffic wardens,
Context and intent is important I think, and is a question of whether decisions have been made based on preconceived ideas, or based on the information and the facts. Objectivity is all important in such things.
*lover*
