I think most of us can remember when Sundays were peaceful affairs, where the only shops that were open were the local newsagents and a petrol station.
Now of course with the change to Sunday trading laws they are all open, places like Bluewater thrive on a Sunday but.....does it not seem a tad hypocritical to make Easter Sunday a day when the law states most of the shops cannot open?
As a non religious person I would say allow them to open, but on this one day of the year and of course Christmas day, should the shops be forced to remain closed.
We have one or two Indian or Pakistani shops around here, and obviously the law does not affect them as they are open on Xmas day and Easter Sunday, so if they are exempt why should the supermarkets and the like have to remain closed?
This artical is an example of pushing the trading limits...
Why is big businesses forced to close yet smaller corner shops are allowed to trade on both those days from six in the morning until midnight? Surely the law should apply the same to everyone?
People should be allowed to shop as and when they like, and business should also be allowed to sell their goods whenever they like too.
In the year 2010 where it seems most people either do not go to church or even believe, or are simply not bothered about it, is it right that they should be forced to close?
Yes I know it is only two days of the year where this does happen, but should those two days be forced upon business?
IF I wanted to buy a set of batteries on Sunday afternoon I could easily from my corner shop but IF I wanted to buy a loaf of bread from my supermarket, or a new blade for my lawn mower I would not be able to from one of the bigger outlets.
That cannot be right............can it?
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Easter Sunday trading
On a recent visit to France, Michele Obama wanted to go shopping in Paris on the Sunday before flying back to the States to rejoin her husband who had left earlier.
The French President M Sarkozy had to speak personally to the bosses of a number of high class stores to get them to open specially for her.
Later, M Sarkozy said that it was inconceivable that the President had to do this for the wife of the President of another great State and swore that he would change the law to allow Sunday opening (remembering that France is a Catholic state and regards such matters as no Sunday trading as sacrosanct).
He did and there are now sensible laws in place to allow Sunday trading.
If ya want to shop on Sunday... come to France kenty! It's a short hop and skip from where you are and they do nice lunches too ;-)
Not only that, the fags are cheaper as is petrol and you won't be paying into the Broon tax black hole for the alcohol allowance.
The French President M Sarkozy had to speak personally to the bosses of a number of high class stores to get them to open specially for her.
Later, M Sarkozy said that it was inconceivable that the President had to do this for the wife of the President of another great State and swore that he would change the law to allow Sunday opening (remembering that France is a Catholic state and regards such matters as no Sunday trading as sacrosanct).
He did and there are now sensible laws in place to allow Sunday trading.
If ya want to shop on Sunday... come to France kenty! It's a short hop and skip from where you are and they do nice lunches too ;-)
Not only that, the fags are cheaper as is petrol and you won't be paying into the Broon tax black hole for the alcohol allowance.
Quote by Mr-Powers
So you want to deny shop workers at least one sunday off...FFS i'm sure we can go one day without the need to go shopping.
Don't be your usual drama queen............jeeze.
You KNOW do you that workers do not want to work on a Sunday?
I know of many that do work on that day and funnily enough they prefer to work on that day and have a day off in the week.
I very rarely use the shops on a Sunday so I have no hidden agendas here, I merely asked....well read my original post and you can work it out.
Quote by Kaznkev
Smaller shops are allowed to open becuase of a compromise reached when they relaxed the Sunday trading laws in order to help small buisnessmen,something i thought you would approve of kenty?
I am fully aware of what the law states...it is based purely on the size of the building you are trading from.
Under the 1994 Sunday Trading Act, all shops are allowed to open on ordinary Sundays for six hours.
But legally on Easter Sunday and Christmas day, " a large shop shall not open for the serving of retail customers ".
Large shops are those with more than 3,000 sq ft of selling space. " Retail customer " means someone who buys goods,so pubs and clubs can stay open. The decision on whether to act against the garden centre suprise suprise, must be taken by environmental health officers in each of the local authorities where the shops open on Sunday.
Until 1994 Sunday opening times was set by the 1950 shops act, a complex law which among many oddities banned the sale of fish and chips but not other takeaways.
Hope that helps.
Quote by kentswingers777
So you want to deny shop workers at least one sunday off...FFS i'm sure we can go one day without the need to go shopping.
Don't be your usual drama queen............jeeze.
You KNOW do you that workers do not want to work on a Sunday?
I know of many that do work on that day and funnily enough they prefer to work on that day and have a day off in the week.
I very rarely use the shops on a Sunday so I have no hidden agendas here, I merely asked....well read my original post and you can work it out.
Me the drama queen lol...coming from someone whose writing style is so sensationalised, you even write like the crap you read!
when sunday trading laws were introduced,bosses promised that staff would have to work on Sundays and that it would be voluntary...that soon changed, as new staff came into employment it was in their contracts that they would have to work Sundays as a normal working day...so the fact that a few corner shops or as you put it Indian and Pakistan shops are open in your area on Easter and Xmas holidays should mean ,that right should also go to the bigger shops,sounds to me like you don't like the idea of non christian buisiness's getting one over on the law!
Quote by Mr-Powers
So you want to deny shop workers at least one sunday off...FFS i'm sure we can go one day without the need to go shopping.
Don't be your usual drama queen............jeeze.
You KNOW do you that workers do not want to work on a Sunday?
I know of many that do work on that day and funnily enough they prefer to work on that day and have a day off in the week.
I very rarely use the shops on a Sunday so I have no hidden agendas here, I merely asked....well read my original post and you can work it out.
Me the drama queen lol...coming from someone whose writing style is so sensationalised, you even write like the crap you read!
when sunday trading laws were introduced,bosses promised that staff would have to work on Sundays and that it would be voluntary...that soon changed, as new staff came into employment it was in their contracts that they would have to work Sundays as a normal working day...so the fact that a few corner shops or as you put it Indian and Pakistan shops are open in your area on Easter and Xmas holidays should mean ,that right should also go to the bigger shops,sounds to me like you don't like the idea of non christian buisiness's getting one over on the law!
Trust you to twist things as usual.
Long gone matey are the days of people working 9 to 5 Monday to Friday.
The people I know who work weekends actually do not mind it at all.
For a lot of businesses, working Sundays has saved their business, and suprise as it may be to you, also saved peoples jobs.
You actually sound like a typical union member.
I really do not give ( as Ben would say ) " a flying fuck " whether shops open on Sundays or not, it was merely a point of discussion which you do not do most times, just sly digs that contain nothing constructive!
You know what they say...." if you have nothing to say, then say nothing ". Cannot remember what famous person said that now.
Anyways happy Easter Powers, and try and cheer up a bit as IF like me I am off till next Tuesday so no working for me on Sunday.
Quote by kentswingers777
So you want to deny shop workers at least one sunday off...FFS i'm sure we can go one day without the need to go shopping.
Don't be your usual drama queen............jeeze.
You KNOW do you that workers do not want to work on a Sunday?
I know of many that do work on that day and funnily enough they prefer to work on that day and have a day off in the week.
I very rarely use the shops on a Sunday so I have no hidden agendas here, I merely asked....well read my original post and you can work it out.
Me the drama queen lol...coming from someone whose writing style is so sensationalised, you even write like the crap you read!
when sunday trading laws were introduced,bosses promised that staff would have to work on Sundays and that it would be voluntary...that soon changed, as new staff came into employment it was in their contracts that they would have to work Sundays as a normal working day...so the fact that a few corner shops or as you put it Indian and Pakistan shops are open in your area on Easter and Xmas holidays should mean ,that right should also go to the bigger shops,sounds to me like you don't like the idea of non christian buisiness's getting one over on the law!
Trust you to twist things as usual.
Long gone matey are the days of people working 9 to 5 Monday to Friday.
The people I know who work weekends actually do not mind it at all.
For a lot of businesses, working Sundays has saved their business, and suprise as it may be to you, also saved peoples jobs.
You actually sound like a typical union member.
I really do not give ( as Ben would say ) " a flying fuck " whether shops open on Sundays or not, it was merely a point of discussion which you do not do most times, just sly digs that contain nothing constructive!
You know what they say...." if you have nothing to say, then say nothing ". Cannot remember what famous person said that now.
Anyways happy Easter Powers, and try and cheer up a bit as IF like me I am off till next Tuesday so no working for me on Sunday.
Did i touch a nerve...i'll let you get back to work, i mean, you are at work right now?
Sex God
I don't see any more reason why I can't shop on any particular Sunday cos of someone else's religious beliefs than I should have to bow to someone who happened to have Her Majesty in front of their name.
Days and hours of opening should be decided purely on a) business case and b) the reasonableness of the worker's hours. Bearing in mind the working time directive, even small companies cannot force their staff to work more than and average of 48 hours per week. I seem to remember there is an opt-out option but that is down to the staff not the employer.
Opening on a Sunday doesn't mean employees will have to work more hours, it may well mean they work different days. When someone takes on a job they know of the expected working pattern. If they are already working for the company then changing the terms and conditions is a matter of discussion between the staff and employer - at least it will be in reputable companies.
Smaller companies have fewer options among their staff. So they may not be able to open on a Sunday when other companies can. Well that's life. They would have to decide if employing the extra people is worthwhile.
Easter week is one of the most useful breaks for gardening and preventing garden centres opening that very Sunday is just stupid! They would make a fortune.
Days and hours of opening should be decided purely on a) business case and b) the reasonableness of the worker's hours. Bearing in mind the working time directive, even small companies cannot force their staff to work more than and average of 48 hours per week. I seem to remember there is an opt-out option but that is down to the staff not the employer.
Opening on a Sunday doesn't mean employees will have to work more hours, it may well mean they work different days. When someone takes on a job they know of the expected working pattern. If they are already working for the company then changing the terms and conditions is a matter of discussion between the staff and employer - at least it will be in reputable companies.
Smaller companies have fewer options among their staff. So they may not be able to open on a Sunday when other companies can. Well that's life. They would have to decide if employing the extra people is worthwhile.
Easter week is one of the most useful breaks for gardening and preventing garden centres opening that very Sunday is just stupid! They would make a fortune.
Talking of flying fucks does anybody fancy one. Im not very expert but I wont take long.
Although I too doubt the motivations of the original post I am happy to discuss sunday trading laws.
I am happy that small traders have this tiny advantage over the behemoths of retail. Hats off to them say I. I've just stocked up on a few essentials at our local store (run and owned by welsh speaking welsh methodists if indeed that is entirely relevant). It was lovely and we had a bit of a blether and they asked how I am settling in and when the next cor meibion gig is. A very pleasant experience all round.
Oh and this will make some of you weep but here our big stores open whenever they like really what with it being where it is. I wonder if someone can explain that.
Although I too doubt the motivations of the original post I am happy to discuss sunday trading laws.
I am happy that small traders have this tiny advantage over the behemoths of retail. Hats off to them say I. I've just stocked up on a few essentials at our local store (run and owned by welsh speaking welsh methodists if indeed that is entirely relevant). It was lovely and we had a bit of a blether and they asked how I am settling in and when the next cor meibion gig is. A very pleasant experience all round.
Oh and this will make some of you weep but here our big stores open whenever they like really what with it being where it is. I wonder if someone can explain that.
Quote by Mr-Powers
So you want to deny shop workers at least one sunday off...FFS i'm sure we can go one day without the need to go shopping.
Don't be your usual drama queen............jeeze.
You KNOW do you that workers do not want to work on a Sunday?
I know of many that do work on that day and funnily enough they prefer to work on that day and have a day off in the week.
I very rarely use the shops on a Sunday so I have no hidden agendas here, I merely asked....well read my original post and you can work it out.
Me the drama queen lol...coming from someone whose writing style is so sensationalised, you even write like the crap you read!
when sunday trading laws were introduced,bosses promised that staff would have to work on Sundays and that it would be voluntary...that soon changed, as new staff came into employment it was in their contracts that they would have to work Sundays as a normal working day...so the fact that a few corner shops or as you put it Indian and Pakistan shops are open in your area on Easter and Xmas holidays should mean ,that right should also go to the bigger shops,sounds to me like you don't like the idea of non christian buisiness's getting one over on the law!
Trust you to twist things as usual.
Long gone matey are the days of people working 9 to 5 Monday to Friday.
The people I know who work weekends actually do not mind it at all.
For a lot of businesses, working Sundays has saved their business, and suprise as it may be to you, also saved peoples jobs.
You actually sound like a typical union member.
I really do not give ( as Ben would say ) " a flying fuck " whether shops open on Sundays or not, it was merely a point of discussion which you do not do most times, just sly digs that contain nothing constructive!
You know what they say...." if you have nothing to say, then say nothing ". Cannot remember what famous person said that now.
Anyways happy Easter Powers, and try and cheer up a bit as IF like me I am off till next Tuesday so no working for me on Sunday.
Did i touch a nerve...i'll let you get back to work, i mean, you are at work right now?
Why the heck would you have touched a nerve? It is a fact around here.....jeeze.
No not at work today I am afraid, you really need to pay more attention to detail and look at what people write, instead of just doing your usual and jumping in with your big boots on!
Most days I work much longer hours than most, but then again as an employer I do not really have the luxury of working that lovely 9 to 5.
I may well have to go in on Saturday, but then nothing unusual in that, whilst the rest of the staff have that luxury of having every weekend off, unless I pay them double time. I wish I could pay myself double time!!
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Talking of flying fucks does anybody fancy one. Im not very expert but I wont take long.
Although I too doubt the motivations of the original post I am happy to discuss sunday trading laws.
I am happy that small traders have this tiny advantage over the behemoths of retail. Hats off to them say I. I've just stocked up on a few essentials at our local store (run and owned by welsh speaking welsh methodists if indeed that is entirely relevant). It was lovely and we had a bit of a blether and they asked how I am settling in and when the next cor meibion gig is. A very pleasant experience all round.
Oh and this will make some of you weep but here our big stores open whenever they like really what with it being where it is. I wonder if someone can explain that.
Well you would..........would'nt you?
Still at least you have that lovely luxury of being in the Welsh countryside.
Plenty of sheep there?
Or you can look at it from my point of view.
I do not believe in God or Religion, why should religious cultures impose thier Sunday traditions on me, why should I be prevented by shopping, I don't celebrate Easter and would like to spend my Sundays doing what I want not having my freedom dictated by religion.
That's the hardline view against hardline religious people, I do believe all shops should be permitted to open if they want to but that staff should not be forced to work on those days and that double time should be paid to them.
I find the comments here that Indian and Pakistani shops are exempt the opening laws to be a little racist. the fact is all small shops of that nature have the right to open regardless of the nationality of the owners, I think you will find that most owners of "asian shops" were born in Britain and are British subjects.
Here in Aberystwyth we haven't found any small corner shops owned by Asians, but they open the same sort of hours and days that others do, the local spa here is 24 hour including Sundays but maybe the racism extends to the Welsh as well as the Indians and Pakistanis.
I do not believe in God or Religion, why should religious cultures impose thier Sunday traditions on me, why should I be prevented by shopping, I don't celebrate Easter and would like to spend my Sundays doing what I want not having my freedom dictated by religion.
That's the hardline view against hardline religious people, I do believe all shops should be permitted to open if they want to but that staff should not be forced to work on those days and that double time should be paid to them.
I find the comments here that Indian and Pakistani shops are exempt the opening laws to be a little racist. the fact is all small shops of that nature have the right to open regardless of the nationality of the owners, I think you will find that most owners of "asian shops" were born in Britain and are British subjects.
Here in Aberystwyth we haven't found any small corner shops owned by Asians, but they open the same sort of hours and days that others do, the local spa here is 24 hour including Sundays but maybe the racism extends to the Welsh as well as the Indians and Pakistanis.
Some have commented on why shopworkers should have to work on Sundays, why not, bus drivers do, nurses, newsagents, bar staff, railway staff, airport workers, gas repair men, taxi drivers, the AA, thousands of people, how can you stock up on your Sunday paper ?
Many people like to go out for Sunday lunch or to attractions, the cinema, Alton Towers, fat chance if we say that nobody should have to work on a Sunday. Ok some people are lucky and don't have to work on Sundays, lucky them but thanks to all those who do turn up for work on Sundays and are there when I need them.
Many people like to go out for Sunday lunch or to attractions, the cinema, Alton Towers, fat chance if we say that nobody should have to work on a Sunday. Ok some people are lucky and don't have to work on Sundays, lucky them but thanks to all those who do turn up for work on Sundays and are there when I need them.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Some have commented on why shopworkers should have to work on Sundays, why not, bus drivers do, nurses, newsagents, bar staff, railway staff, airport workers, gas repair men, taxi drivers, the AA, thousands of people, how can you stock up on your Sunday paper ?
Many people like to go out for Sunday lunch or to attractions, the cinema, Alton Towers, fat chance if we say that nobody should have to work on a Sunday. Ok some people are lucky and don't have to work on Sundays, lucky them but thanks to all those who do turn up for work on Sundays and are there when I need them.
No just one particular Sunday, Easter Sunday...thats just one Sunday of the year when the country won't collapse if the shops are shut, after that it can be buisiness as usual.
Quote by Mr-Powers
Some have commented on why shopworkers should have to work on Sundays, why not, bus drivers do, nurses, newsagents, bar staff, railway staff, airport workers, gas repair men, taxi drivers, the AA, thousands of people, how can you stock up on your Sunday paper ?
Many people like to go out for Sunday lunch or to attractions, the cinema, Alton Towers, fat chance if we say that nobody should have to work on a Sunday. Ok some people are lucky and don't have to work on Sundays, lucky them but thanks to all those who do turn up for work on Sundays and are there when I need them.
No just one particular Sunday, Easter Sunday...thats just one Sunday of the year when the country won't collapse if the shops are shut, after that it can be buisiness as usual.
I think it is all just a bit hypocritical where this religious day is used.
Most people do not give a toss about the relevance of that day from a religious point of view, as I have stated I am not religious so really do not care whehter shops are open or not on that day.
Like many things, the reasoning behind Sunday trading has got out of context and the logistics of keeping larger shops manned and supplied are complex - on balance I think the present arrangements are not far out.
Society as a whole has to provide 24/7 cover for many occupations and people in these areas on Sunday duty get time off in lieu in the week, but overall it is nice to have the routine of the present five / five and a half day week structure for most of society.
Plim
Society as a whole has to provide 24/7 cover for many occupations and people in these areas on Sunday duty get time off in lieu in the week, but overall it is nice to have the routine of the present five / five and a half day week structure for most of society.
Plim
How many people will hold thier hands up and admit to not knowing what Easter is for, I don't, what is the celebration ? I know Christmas Day is to celebrate the birth of Christ, I know that lent is about sacrifice kinda going on strike in sympathy with the 40 days and 40 nights Jesus is said to have spent in the Desert Mountains, but what happened to make Easter special ? Why do some want to impose the closure of shops on Aethiests, Jews, Sikhs, Rastafarians, Hindus and others, would those same people be happy if all shops had to close on Jewish or Hindu religious days of celebration ?
Master of Sex
easter is an ancient"pagan" festival,time for a party after a long for rebirth and crops to grow church stole it cos you cant convert peeps if you take all the fun out of it,and it also dovetailed in with their resurection
they also did the same with the midwinter festival and renamed it jesus` birthday.
they also did the same with the midwinter festival and renamed it jesus` birthday.
Sex God
i just though it was the B&Q long weekender
According to the rites of the church of the fish god dave (no capitals he is a very humble deity), easter is a celebration of chocolate and not having to go to work.
Us fishists eat a lot of chocolate and only go to work if we want to. We dont do communal worship so theres plenty of time to do or not do these things. There is a tradition amongst fishists that we moan about not being able to go to B&Q on the Sunday but this is dying out as it is seen as outmoded. There was a schism in 1997 when adherents to the Sorbitol sect were attacked for restricting their chocolate intake to diabetic products. This was resolved by the fish god dave who made a rare appearance and inscribed what is thought to be only his second commandment on a stale loaf of Hovis----stop arguing about food you plonkers , I dont give a shit what you eat or when---. For those with any interest in fishianity the first commandment was "BE NICE".
If you are interested in joining us your decision may be influenced by the fact that dave has a brother who is the god of parking and a sister who is the goddess of achieved and sustained erections. Daves not much use but his brother and sister come in handy.
Us fishists eat a lot of chocolate and only go to work if we want to. We dont do communal worship so theres plenty of time to do or not do these things. There is a tradition amongst fishists that we moan about not being able to go to B&Q on the Sunday but this is dying out as it is seen as outmoded. There was a schism in 1997 when adherents to the Sorbitol sect were attacked for restricting their chocolate intake to diabetic products. This was resolved by the fish god dave who made a rare appearance and inscribed what is thought to be only his second commandment on a stale loaf of Hovis----stop arguing about food you plonkers , I dont give a shit what you eat or when---. For those with any interest in fishianity the first commandment was "BE NICE".
If you are interested in joining us your decision may be influenced by the fact that dave has a brother who is the god of parking and a sister who is the goddess of achieved and sustained erections. Daves not much use but his brother and sister come in handy.
Master of Sex
never catch on nearly as far fetched as the bible,but they`ve had 4000 years to tweek it.
Sex God
As an ordained minister of the above I am offended by your lack of slackness when it comes to matters of the soul......shame on you all.....may Bob be with you
I'm also a pastafarian but that's another thing altogether
Quote by MidsCouple24
How many people will hold thier hands up and admit to not knowing what Easter is for, I don't, what is the celebration ? I know Christmas Day is to celebrate the birth of Christ, I know that lent is about sacrifice kinda going on strike in sympathy with the 40 days and 40 nights Jesus is said to have spent in the Desert Mountains, but what happened to make Easter special ? Why do some want to impose the closure of shops on Aethiests, Jews, Sikhs, Rastafarians, Hindus and others, would those same people be happy if all shops had to close on Jewish or Hindu religious days of celebration ?
I'd like to impose the closure of businesses every Sunday, not just this one.
I'd like to force Asda to close at least one day every week - if they want to open on Sunday, let them close another day.
I'd like to reduce the hours pubs are open every Sunday.
Why?
Because we've become slaves to the idea that businesses must have no limits put on them. We've become slaves to the idea that the world will end if we can't shop at 3 o'clock in the morning. We've become slaves to the idea that if I want to buy a barbecued chicken at seven pm, I should be able to. And in the process hourly paid workers have to give up their free time to help me make the most of mine, for a wage far less than I earn.
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
How many employees does the corner shop employee this days?!
are paper delivering persons allowed
are we talking paye
and does it have to be on a corner
