.....one here that may be of interest to you G
I personally went for the stop Murdoch campaign,and would respectfully suggest everyone else should too
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I personally don't see a problem with Murdoch - only the truly stupid read and believe the stories contained in UK newspapers. Intelligent folk get up off their arses and see for themselves what's going on in the world. Newspapers only give you information that several people have had a hand in before it gets to the reader - I'd rather not have some overpaid hack telling me what I should know.
I agree with ForFun to be honest.
The media market is controlled by its customers. If you don't like the idea of him taking over the world, stop buying his product.
I haven't knowingly contributed to his world dominance bid for over 4 years and his free offerings are only a sample of what resources I use to learn what's going on in the world.
Having said all of that, with the phone hacking claims going on just now, we should perhaps be more concerned with what we don't know is going on behind the scenes and the underhand tactics these leeches use to make a story out of nothing.
At the risk of another tirade from flower, perhaps we should be calling for a public flogging of the bastards who hacked Milly Dowler's phone and the victims of the 7/7 atrocities. Financial compensation just doesn't seem to be enough somehow.
As for the other 'A' listers who were apparently hacked, who cares a shit.
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I see that some big ticket advertisers are reviewing their position with NOTW. Good for them. :thumbup:
The media market is controlled by its customers. If you don't like the idea of him taking over the world, stop buying his product.
I haven't knowingly contributed to his world dominance bid for over 4 years and his free offerings are only a sample of what resources I use to learn what's going on in the world.
Having said all of that, with the phone hacking claims going on just now, we should perhaps be more concerned with what we don't know is going on behind the scenes and the underhand tactics these leeches use to make a story out of nothing.
At the risk of another tirade from flower, perhaps we should be calling for a public flogging of the bastards who hacked Milly Dowler's phone and the victims of the 7/7 atrocities. Financial compensation just doesn't seem to be enough somehow.
As for the other 'A' listers who were apparently hacked, who cares a shit.
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I see that some big ticket advertisers are reviewing their position with NOTW. Good for them. :thumbup:
Andy
I don't give a shit about the 'A' listers because, if they want to keep it out of the public domain, they should be careful enough to keep it in their trousers or otherwise protect themselves from such attacks.
You cannot possibly compare that with the issue of deceased children/victims of terrorism. In the case of Milly Dowler particularly, what these people did was evil and unforgivable. Not only did they hack her phone but they removed messages that had been left in order to leave space for more messages to be left. This gave the impression that the poor girl was still alive and not only may well have led investigative resources away from pursuing the killer but must have had a devastating effect on her family who so hoped for a positive outcome. Utterly utterly evil.
I think the PM summed it up very well in PMQ's today. There needs to be an urgent investigation into the way the media operates in the UK. I don't agree with you that this story will go away. Until these revelations, it might have but it as sure as hell going to bite them in the arse and it can't come too soon.
The political will to keep it going until someone is brought to book is extremely strong, as is public opinion. If this was just about Lord Prescott's dirty little secrets being aired in public, it would have died a short death long ago. I somehow can't get over the image in my mind of that fat ugly bastard breathing heavily, grunting and slobbering over his 'mistress' followed by his outpouring of grief that he hasn't been awarded a significant bit of compo for the pleasure it gave him.
If anything, I should be compensated by the NOTW for causing repeated nauseating headaches and psychological damage for bringing it to my attention!
I don't give a shit about the 'A' listers because, if they want to keep it out of the public domain, they should be careful enough to keep it in their trousers or otherwise protect themselves from such attacks.
You cannot possibly compare that with the issue of deceased children/victims of terrorism. In the case of Milly Dowler particularly, what these people did was evil and unforgivable. Not only did they hack her phone but they removed messages that had been left in order to leave space for more messages to be left. This gave the impression that the poor girl was still alive and not only may well have led investigative resources away from pursuing the killer but must have had a devastating effect on her family who so hoped for a positive outcome. Utterly utterly evil.
I think the PM summed it up very well in PMQ's today. There needs to be an urgent investigation into the way the media operates in the UK. I don't agree with you that this story will go away. Until these revelations, it might have but it as sure as hell going to bite them in the arse and it can't come too soon.
The political will to keep it going until someone is brought to book is extremely strong, as is public opinion. If this was just about Lord Prescott's dirty little secrets being aired in public, it would have died a short death long ago. I somehow can't get over the image in my mind of that fat ugly bastard breathing heavily, grunting and slobbering over his 'mistress' followed by his outpouring of grief that he hasn't been awarded a significant bit of compo for the pleasure it gave him.
If anything, I should be compensated by the NOTW for causing repeated nauseating headaches and psychological damage for bringing it to my attention!
Orgasminator
Ill take a look at 'em when I have time Staggs.
I agree with the others that trying to stop Murdoch or other media 'moguls' by these means is pointless.
I would like to see media manipulation and misrepresentation covered in high school as a mandatory part of social sciences.
To create a generation of people prepared to question the media like the media question others is the way forward. Combined with the rise of social media this could free people from the questionable information they have been spoon fed in the past.
The Internet is a perfect platform for people to stand up and call bullshit on the lower levels of certain traditional media. Once the information revolution begins perhaps people will be free to call bullshit on the political system. In America they are one and the same.
Only problem then is what will prop up our government system??
Gotta go two guys in dark suits and sunglasses are banging insistently on my door
I agree with the others that trying to stop Murdoch or other media 'moguls' by these means is pointless.
I would like to see media manipulation and misrepresentation covered in high school as a mandatory part of social sciences.
To create a generation of people prepared to question the media like the media question others is the way forward. Combined with the rise of social media this could free people from the questionable information they have been spoon fed in the past.
The Internet is a perfect platform for people to stand up and call bullshit on the lower levels of certain traditional media. Once the information revolution begins perhaps people will be free to call bullshit on the political system. In America they are one and the same.
Only problem then is what will prop up our government system??
Gotta go two guys in dark suits and sunglasses are banging insistently on my door
Quotes abbreviated for clarity.
When the public domain knows what the password is. If they can't be bothered to change their access code from '0000' or what ever is set as standard these days, then they leave themselves open to be 'hacked'. In the days before the electronic age became so prevalent, news-hounds found their grubby little secrets by rummaging through 'A' listers rubbish bins. If the 'A' lister had any sense about them, they would have shredded or otherwise disposed of the material which might be damaging if it fell into 3rd party hands. If they were too lazy to do so, culpability must surely lie at their door although I do accept that if the material was obtained illegally and they are found out, the hacker should face the full extent of the law.
As for the interest value of 'A' listers, it's all about what the rags perceive as being 'in the public interest'. Given the prurient nature of most of the red-top reading British society, it's usually sexual preferences which gain the public's attention but which cereal Sir Cliff Richard (a random selection) has in his breakfast bowl each morning is of no consequence and is unlikely to stir your average 'hack' into action. Please remember that 'A' listers demand public attention. They want the public to be 'them' aware, if I can put it like that. For them to then demand that they can 'turn it on and then turn it off' at their will is unrealistic. They want to be 'public' property, it's what pays their (not inconsiderable) wages and, as we all know, the wages of 'sin' is death - in their case, by a thousand 'hacks' revealing their innermost secrets. It's the natural order of things.
I agree.
Yes, both sides did choose their words well. They're politicians, after all :lol2:
It's not for the PM to comment in the House on 'the likes of Rebekah Brooks'. These are matters for News International. Milliband's weak attempt at re-implicating the PM's former press secretary fell on stony ground too, as it should.
I didn't say it would be front page news for so long. I said it won't go away as you had suggested in the 'today's news, tomorrows sausage wrapper' type way. Why compromise a significant Police investigation with armchair lawyers crawling all over the evidence and destroying any semblance of 'due process'? That's what Miliband wants in order to take Murdock's shilling. Cameron is made of sterner stuff. Don't forget, a lot of the earlier events happened on Labour's shift and they are looking quite awkward at the moment.
I couldn't agree more.
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Which part of a persons ansaphone messages on their private number form part of the public domain? as for the comment 'they should be careful enough to keep it in their trousers'? I would hazard a guess and say that a good majority of these a-list people have done just that 'kept it in their trousers' and if they have then what say you?
When the public domain knows what the password is. If they can't be bothered to change their access code from '0000' or what ever is set as standard these days, then they leave themselves open to be 'hacked'. In the days before the electronic age became so prevalent, news-hounds found their grubby little secrets by rummaging through 'A' listers rubbish bins. If the 'A' lister had any sense about them, they would have shredded or otherwise disposed of the material which might be damaging if it fell into 3rd party hands. If they were too lazy to do so, culpability must surely lie at their door although I do accept that if the material was obtained illegally and they are found out, the hacker should face the full extent of the law.
As for the interest value of 'A' listers, it's all about what the rags perceive as being 'in the public interest'. Given the prurient nature of most of the red-top reading British society, it's usually sexual preferences which gain the public's attention but which cereal Sir Cliff Richard (a random selection) has in his breakfast bowl each morning is of no consequence and is unlikely to stir your average 'hack' into action. Please remember that 'A' listers demand public attention. They want the public to be 'them' aware, if I can put it like that. For them to then demand that they can 'turn it on and then turn it off' at their will is unrealistic. They want to be 'public' property, it's what pays their (not inconsiderable) wages and, as we all know, the wages of 'sin' is death - in their case, by a thousand 'hacks' revealing their innermost secrets. It's the natural order of things.
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Of course I can and there lies the rub, the principle of the hacking of a phone/ansafone remains the same regardless of who the victim is, doesnt matter if it's Sienna Millers phone or Milly Dowlers. The deletion of messages from Milly Dowlers phone is a different issue altogether and may lead elsewhere so probably best not to comment.
I agree.
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Oh really? I listened to the PMQ and one thing was blindingly obvious both Milliband and Cameron chose their words very well, both of them have much more to lose than to gain by going against the Murdoch empire, Sky News, Andy Coulson etc...and Milliband has been attempting to win over The Sun over the past few months. It is obvious that there needs to be an investigation, Cameron said nothing we didn't already know or expect, but he said much more by not saying anything against the likes of Rebekah Brooks..which if he had she would most likely have been gone as News Internationals Chief Executive by the end of the day.
Yes, both sides did choose their words well. They're politicians, after all :lol2:
It's not for the PM to comment in the House on 'the likes of Rebekah Brooks'. These are matters for News International. Milliband's weak attempt at re-implicating the PM's former press secretary fell on stony ground too, as it should.
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You really think that it will stay front page news for the duration? You're pretty gullibile if you do.... The Milly Dowler story broke yesterday afternoon and yet hardly any of the Newspapers had the story on their front page this morning, why was that? Of course the story will go away, the calls for an investigation were just spin by Cameron, the police investigation will most likely not conclude for quite some time yet, maybe years and then there is the investigation into why it wasn't picked up by the MET the first time round and the payout's, the private actions against the paper the list goes on..but all of these will take place most likely before an 'investigation' can take place and by that time it will be 'oh so what, that was ages ago'
I didn't say it would be front page news for so long. I said it won't go away as you had suggested in the 'today's news, tomorrows sausage wrapper' type way. Why compromise a significant Police investigation with armchair lawyers crawling all over the evidence and destroying any semblance of 'due process'? That's what Miliband wants in order to take Murdock's shilling. Cameron is made of sterner stuff. Don't forget, a lot of the earlier events happened on Labour's shift and they are looking quite awkward at the moment.
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The fallout from this may not be felt for some years but in my opinion there will be many a politician and persons in power/position that will have to fall on their sword before it's finally done.
I couldn't agree more.
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Quotes abbreviated for clarity.
When the public domain knows what the password is. If they can't be bothered to change their access code from '0000'
I seriously doubt many if any Celebs telephone number are in the public domain which probably means whomever was doing the 'hacking' has accessed systems/files/information that they would as a member of the public not normally be privy to.
I wonder if bets are being placed on how long the NOTW will remain in print before either it's shut down by some subsection on article 3 zillion of the Human Rights Act or with Murdoch taking the moral high ground and pulling the plug.
Quite how the paper can retain any credibility (if it's ever had any)from this point on is beyond me.
Quite how the paper can retain any credibility (if it's ever had any)from this point on is beyond me.
Sex God
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Just announced on SkyNews... Sundays edition will be the last!
Presumably all the staff will be made redundant too. That'll give the Labour camp something to complain about.
coming to a news stand near you 'the sunday sun' all the same staff as the NOTW but less pay, price of admission silence ...... ssssshhh don't say a word to any inquiries or you wont get your job back ..... win win to Murdoch
Wavy flashback effect......
Rupert: (for it is he) so Mr Hunt what's it going to cost
Jeremy Hunt (culture scretary) : Not sure Mr Murdoch sir .... it will have to look big
Rupert : how about I close the rag ??
Jezza : Sounds good ...... what about our mates though .... after all I was at uni. with most of them
Rupert : Not to worry once I've got my hands on Sky we'll put out a sunday edition of the sun
Jezza : sounds like a fine idea sir ..... I'll get on to signing that report for you right away
Sex God
I bow to your greater knowledge Ben&Max (sounds like ice cream 
) the sun on sunday it is
STAGGERLEE
Now with new added :lol:
For a short time only
Or in edit having looked at the links (sorry but I'd thought them proof rather than evidence)they'll come up with something altogether new .... 'the sunday gutter trawl' perhaps
2nd Edit ..... O.K the sun on sunday it is ..... in my defence I had a long tiring day yesterday and wasn't quite on the ball
) the sun on sunday it is STAGGERLEE
Now with new added :lol:
For a short time only
Or in edit having looked at the links (sorry but I'd thought them proof rather than evidence)they'll come up with something altogether new .... 'the sunday gutter trawl' perhaps
2nd Edit ..... O.K the sun on sunday it is ..... in my defence I had a long tiring day yesterday and wasn't quite on the ball
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I bow to your greater knowledge Ben&Max (sounds like ice cream
STAGGERLEE
Now with new added :lol:
For a short time only
Or in edit having looked at the links (sorry but I'd thought them proof rather than evidence)they'll come up with something altogether new .... 'the sunday gutter trawl' perhaps
2nd Edit ..... O.K the sun on sunday it is ..... in my defence I had a long tiring day yesterday and wasn't quite on the ball
I passed no comment as to the quality ( or lack of) of the The Sunday Sun, merely the fact that the title already exists.
Sex God
What does 'Fill your boots' mean?
Orgasminator
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What does 'Fill your boots' mean?
Starlight has it right.
Feel free to :sleeping: I'm bored and on a break at work so I'm gonna post a quick etymology on it for anyone who gives a fuck :lol2:
In various military museums I have seen both the army and navy lay claim to this one, the navy say the old leather seaman's mugs were called 'boots', after a victory or at the captains behest soldiers could 'fill yer boots' with rum where normally it would be dished out with a measuring cup or ladle.
The army claim it was from pillaging after a victory or storming, where the cavalry would fill their saddle bags, pockets and if the pickings were good, even the tops of their long riding boots with plunder.
yeah I'm a nerd sometimes
Sex God
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here that may be of interest to you G
I personally went for the stop Murdoch campaign,and would respectfully suggest everyone else should too
im surprised there is only 9,707,305 members world wide i bet richard branson and alan sugar have at least twice that and dont even own a news paper
funny old world init
Sex God
Even a drop in the ocean causes ripples Rob
Orgasminator
I dont like articles like that, full of personal opinion with no factual references just general sweeping statements about a broad range of issues. No direct comments from the people or organisation it is attacking (not just criticising!).
Probably an attempt to deflect bad attention away from the press, although I agree with some of the issues it raises about the BBC, I dont agree with the way they make their case.
Its inciteful forum style fodder - not good journalism or even news.
Probably an attempt to deflect bad attention away from the press, although I agree with some of the issues it raises about the BBC, I dont agree with the way they make their case.
Its inciteful forum style fodder - not good journalism or even news.
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Its inciteful forum style fodder - not good journalism or even news.
Couldn't agree more.
Suggesting that the Daily Mail is better called the Daily Hate is also extremely unhelpful and unnecessary too, but given the identity of the author of that label in this thread, it holds no surprises to me as the paper often runs exposés on the very issues confronting society in Britain today that the member concerned seems so uncomfortably close to
On the other hand, I have called it the Daily Wail on a few occasions and I don't think that is inappropriate.
Oh, where's kenty when you need him? This is right up his street!
What does that spiteful little insinuation refer to? (wink)
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Suggesting that the Daily Mail is better called the Daily Hate is also extremely unhelpful and unnecessary too, but given the identity of the author of that label in this thread, it holds no surprises to me as the paper often runs exposés on the very issues confronting society in Britain today that the member concerned seems so uncomfortably close to
Sex God
in some quarters the BBC is considered bias and often accused of spouting propaganda :gagged:
so i see little in the comments regards pots and kettles
so i see little in the comments regards pots and kettles
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Ahhh you need this star.
You dont think this may have been an attempt to deflect any potential criticism away from themselves then?
this song ben is a referance to what? i do not get it at all.
if you hate the newspaper then i presume that is why you said the daily hate?
as has been said alredy, the bbc run there own propergandas frequently.
i still do not get the daily hate comment though.
if you hate the daily mail ben do you also hate the police? as they were also involved in giving out informnation?
