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I've just finished watching the film version of Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston. It's one of my all time favourite novels and the film version, starring Halle Berry and the very delectable Michael Ealy, is not bad. It's not quite as good as the book, but it does a bloomin' good job.
So, my questions are:
What are the best screen adaptations of novels? Are books always/never better than the films?
I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that The Godfather films are better than Mario Puzo's original book. But I preferred Raymond Carver's short stories to the Robert Altman directed Short Cuts, for example.
Films often have to sacrifice detail or sub-plots just to fit into a sensible time. Lord of the Rings lost Tom Bombadil completely for instance - but a good director can make all the difference and make sure the feel of the film is right. There are some adapatations that are so far from the content and intent of the book that any possible link should be fogotten.
I would say that Hunt for Red October survived the adaptation process quite well, but the longer (director's cut?) version was better than the theatre version. Same is true for LOTR - the extended versions include whole sections of explanatory scenes that lets teh films make more sense than the shorter versions. Now we have DVD options I think direcotrs should be encouraged to do that and have 2 versions - time-limited for the cinema and as long as it needs to be for DVD.
If you want to see atrocious manglings calling themselves after proper books try any of the 1950's 60's 70's Agatha Christies. Bloody awful they were. How anyone could think Peter Ustinov (great man that he was) resembled in any way the neat, dapper Hercules Poirot is beyond me and some of them had Americans as Poirot or Marple FFS!
*feels the need to confess*
Although I read and LOVED The Hobbit as a child, I have neither read nor seen any of The Lord of the Rings trilogy.
<<< slopes off now...
I find it varies. I thought the LOTR films were shite yet loved the book as a child and young adult. There was that other film not so long back about the guy who couldn't communicate easily, Diving Bells and Butterflys, awesome film shite book I thought. I am just about to read the Bourne Trilogy, I thought the film was pants so I shall find out what the books like.
As a teen I must have read everything Ian Fleming ever wrote, but I've yet to see a Bond film that lived up to the quality of the books.
I must admit I'm not looking forward to the film adaptation of Lee Child's Jack Reacher story. I love Reacher; he's a great character & the novels are, in my opinion, a cut above the average thriller. Reacher is a big, tough guy with an uncompromising moral code.
BUT (and it's a HUGE but!) the film will star Tom Cruise as Reacher. Could not be further from the character.
That's the problem I think: it's so hard for a film version to capture the way you imagine a novel's character is in your head.
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I must admit I'm not looking forward to the film adaptation of Lee Child's Jack Reacher story. I love Reacher; he's a great character & the novels are, in my opinion, a cut above the average thriller. Reacher is a big, tough guy with an uncompromising moral code.
BUT (and it's a HUGE but!) the film will star Tom Cruise as Reacher. Could not be further from the character.
That's the problem I think: it's so hard for a film version to capture the way you imagine a novel's character is in your head.

Yeah I'm the same and love Lee Child's books but just cant see Tom Cruise (5'7") portraying Jack Reacher (6'5" and built like a brick shit-house) and pulling it off TBH dunno
I might be surprised but not holding my breath.
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Jack Reacher (6'5" and built like a brick shit-house) ... pulling it off

and that right there.... Nola's ladywank material for the evening! lol
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I must admit I'm not looking forward to the film adaptation of Lee Child's Jack Reacher story. I love Reacher; he's a great character & the novels are, in my opinion, a cut above the average thriller. Reacher is a big, tough guy with an uncompromising moral code.
BUT (and it's a HUGE but!) the film will star Tom Cruise as Reacher. Could not be further from the character.
That's the problem I think: it's so hard for a film version to capture the way you imagine a novel's character is in your head.

Yeah I'm the same and love Lee Child's books but just cant see Tom Cruise (5'7") portraying Jack Reacher(6'5" and built like a brick shit-house) and pulling it off TBH dunno
I might be surprised but not holding my breath.
There was the same kind of outcry when Tom Cruise was cast as Lestat in 'Interview With A Vampire' but he pulled it off.
And what about Morgan Freeman as Red in 'The Shawshank Redemption'? Did a good job of the character who was a big Irishman in the book.
When someone makes a film based on a book that I have actually read I'll answer the thread question lol
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When someone makes a film based on a book that I have actually read I'll answer the thread question lol

'tis similar for me. My favourite authors are not considered mainstream or commercial enough to warrant the investment.
I once read a book that was written from the film script....don't ever bother to do that.
The harry potter films come very close to the mark as far as the books were concerned, but it's unusual, and that's mainly down to time constraints. Unless the author, and their books are bestsellers, then they won't have much weight to pull when it comes to the script and the rewrites. If a scriptwriter, unless mega succesful or commissioned, submits a script which is over a hundred pages long then it'll probably go unread .. hollywood kinda works on a page a minute screen time. The brits, however, do prefer dialogue and so are more likely to include the spoken words of the book. That's why most authors don't write scripts, they can't bear to leave stuff out. You can see why it's easy to leave out that which was perhaps interesting on the page because it doesn't have much impact visually.
Any of us who read can site countless travesties. The very pshycological short novel 9 1/2 weeks, just a for instance, was just total nonsense on screen.
I rarely watch films that are made of any books i have read, the few i have watched have been awful and so different to the books so i have been very dissapointed.
I have read a book after watching and enjoying a film though, it was Atonement which i really enjoyed both as a film and a book.
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I rarely watch films that are made of any books i have read, the few i have watched have been awful and so different to the books so i have been very dissapointed.
I have read a book after watching and enjoying a film though, it was Atonement which i really enjoyed both as a film and a book.

Yes, I thought Atonement was a good adaptation. The film version of McEwan's Enduring Love is awful though. :sad:
Same as!
However I would say my any book or film has to really captivate me. I need mental and visual stimulation to move me. Some books still reside in my mind, such as The White Hotel, by D M Thomas. I prefer stories that can evoke strong and powerful imagery or shock. It is rare to find a film that can depict the true essence of a book. Films on the whole do it for me, as I tend to read more factual books. Who could not like the homo eroticism of 300 the darkness of Sin city or the imagery of David Lynch! marvellous
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When someone makes a film based on a book that I have actually read I'll answer the thread question lol
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Who could not like the homo eroticism of 300 the darkness of Sin city or the imagery of David Lynch! marvellous

:thumbup: Good taste! I loved 300. And Lynch is something special.
I never think that films are as good as the book that they were inspired by.
One that I found particulary disappointing was the Da Vinci Code. I couldn't put the book down but thought that the film was crap!
In my opinion, the detail and suspense found in a book just cant be replicated on film.
I tend to avoid films made from books that I have enjoyed on the grounds that I'll probably regret seeing them. But one exception I did make was to watch "October Sky", the film version of Homer Hickam's "Rocket Boys".
Superb book, and not a bad film either.
Yers gift, fine book, fine film.
Celestine Prophecy
I read this and the others in the series whilst travelling in New Zealand. Really enjoyed them and was perfect book to read whilst surrounded by breath taking scenery and meeting loads of new people.
Came back to Blighty and after a while saw the film sitting on the new release shelf of Blockbuster. You know.... one of those new releases where there's only one copy in store and they put it on the bottom (sometimes worth looking here I might add).
Against my better judgement (of judging a film by its cover) picked it up and thought I'd give it a go.
Utter Disappointment! What a load of shite - completely ruined it for me and was God awful film. Oh well, you live and learn eh but it might just have been a great film, I'd never have known if hadnt took a chance. Oh well.
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I've just finished watching the film version of Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston. It's one of my all time favourite novels and the film version, starring Halle Berry and the very delectable Michael Ealy, is not bad. It's not quite as good as the book, but it does a bloomin' good job.
So, my questions are:
What are the best screen adaptations of novels? Are books always/never better than the films?
I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that The Godfather films are better than Mario Puzo's original book. But I preferred Raymond Carver's short stories to the Robert Altman directed Short Cuts, for example.

I am a massive Stephen King fan, so I think I automatically lean towards his stuff but I did particularly like The Green Mile...............or The Shawshank Redemption............
Also BFG isnt too bad either lol xxx
Jo x
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I went to see The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo over Christmas and loved it, now i am reading the book and so far its as good as the film !
We are going to see the film again this weekend smile
I read all the James Bond books too, the new Casino Royale is more true to the book...well, on the way lol
The Red Dwarf books are great and love the TV programme too, they are different and good in their own way...Oh I was in the last episode too wink
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo books are great, the film was good too, with a nice twist for the people who had read the books...I haven't seen the original Swedish films, supposedly they are good.
I must confess that I recommended the Bourne books to Ben, the 1st 3 are amaaaaazing and much better than the films...although I loved them too. Quite a big sub-plot was missed out of the films However there was a TV film in 1988 I think and that had this particular plot line innit (on youtube).
The Kite Runner was a superb book, shame the film didn't measure up.
No country for old men, rubbish book...rubbisherer film! lol
One film that is exactly as the graphic novel (comic) was...Sin City! I haven't read (looked at the pictures) of the comic (graphic novel) but the film is superb!...cue Tweeky :lol:
I find, more often than not that the book is far better than the film. Most times there is to much information lost when a book is turned into a film
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I read all the James Bond books too, the new Casino Royale is more true to the book...well, on the way lol
The Red Dwarf books are great and love the TV programme too, they are different and good in their own way...Oh I was in the last episode too wink
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo books are great, the film was good too, with a nice twist for the people who had read the books...I haven't seen the original Swedish films, supposedly they are good.
I must confess that I recommended the Bourne books to Ben, the 1st 3 are amaaaaazing and much better than the films...although I loved them too. Quite a big sub-plot was missed out of the films However there was a TV film in 1988 I think and that had this particular plot line innit (on youtube).
The Kite Runner was a superb book, shame the film didn't measure up.
No country for old men, rubbish book...rubbisherer film! lol
One film that is exactly as the graphic novel (comic) was...Sin City! I haven't read (looked at the pictures) of the comic (graphic novel) but the film is superb!...cue Tweeky :lol:

oh whats the twist smile i loved the film and am loving the book and am going to see the film again tomorrow, am very excited lol i hope when iv finished the book that i know what the twist is :)
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I find it varies. I thought the LOTR films were shite yet loved the book as a child and young adult.

The problem with LoTR on the screen, is that it's just too big for three films to do it justice. Even with the total 9-odd hours that the three films run - even more if you're watching the extended versions - there is just no time to get the pacing right. The whole thing feels rushed. Take the third film as an example: Merry and Pippin are at Isengard, then we cut and they are in the hall at Rohan. Pippin looks into the palantir, Gandalf decides he needs to take him to Gondor. They get on the horse, ride off and then another cut and they're at Gondor. It really doesn't feel like they've travelled hundreds of miles between each location. There's just no sense of the scale of the journey. The only thing that could really do LoTR justice on-screen would be a TV series, spanning five or six seasons.
Speaking of which, the HBO series Game of Thrones is an excellent adaptaion of a series of books by George R. R. Martin. The first season is based on a book called A Song of Fire And Ice. I think the reason that it's so good is that rather than adapt the books for the screen, they've taken the basic story and re-written it from the ground up to fit the medium of TV. Like LoTR, a lot of producers make the mistake of trying to adapt something that really only works in print. Somebody mentioned the Red Dwarf books earlier. They'r a great example of that in reverse. The writers were able to extend a lot of ideas that they came up with in the show and really explore them in a way that a 25 min episode would prohibit.
If you want to see two first rate cinematic adaptaions, look no further than Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas and American Psycho. In both cases, they've taken only what works for the screen and left the rest out, leaving two perfect films, based on perfect books.
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oh whats the twist smile i loved the film and am loving the book and am going to see the film again tomorrow, am very excited lol i hope when iv finished the book that i know what the twist is :)

I'm not gonna say..... wink
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oh whats the twist smile i loved the film and am loving the book and am going to see the film again tomorrow, am very excited lol i hope when iv finished the book that i know what the twist is :)

I'm not gonna say..... wink
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I thought trainspotting was much better then the book. even tho the book was amazing.
plus no country for old men the film was super cool smile
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the HBO series Game of Thrones is an excellent adaptaion of a series of books

I enjoyed both the book and series immensly, I usually do with HBO offerings.
I loved The Wire and was very impressed with the adaptation of Ambrose's Band of Brothers.
One of the most disappointing book to film transfers I have seen is Matt Dillon in Factotum, an adaptation of a brilliant book by Charles Bukowski.