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Fuel discounts for remote areas being considered
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Interesting concept. Is this to counteract the entirely profit-driven price hike the rural petrol station s indulge in 'cos they can' or to make travel cheaper for rural people than it is for urban people, on the grounds they have to travel further for everything?
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Quote by GnV
Define remote area....
Unsure of these answers as yet Gnv
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Quote by robbo-bi1
Define remote area....
Unsure of these answers as yet Gnv
Looks like another "TORY" con/dem nation to win the hearts of the country dwelling folk.
If you cant afford to live out in the un-spoilt countryside, then sell the bloody stately home.
Yes why oh why cant these landed gentry pay their own fuel bills.
As for the serfs they can simply emigrate to the cities like proper working people.
And don't get me started on saving the countryside---If you think about it farms are nothing more than massive food factories. I dont recall sentimentality being attached to the plight of the urban blast furnace.
As for the serfs they can simply emigrate to the cities like proper working people.
And don't get me started on saving the countryside---If you think about it farms are nothing more than massive food factories. I dont recall sentimentality being attached to the plight of the urban blast furnace.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Yes why oh why cant these landed gentry pay their own fuel bills.
As for the serfs they can simply emigrate to the cities like proper working people.
And don't get me started on saving the countryside---If you think about it farms are nothing more than massive food factories. I dont recall sentimentality being attached to the plight of the urban blast furnace.
I thought there were no jobs in the cities
I can not remember the last time the farmers went on strike for better pay or conditions
Food from abroad,extra food miles :sad:
Sex God
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
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Quote by tweeky
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
I totally agree, but currently, rural areas are paying more for there fuel
There is a difference of as much as five pence per litre between rural and city garages in Wales
Sex God
Bother, lost a link on the op, tried to put it back and lost the poll :twisted:
Quote by tweeky
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
Quote by ForestFunsters
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
:thumbup:
I'm so with FF on this. I was trying to find the correct words to express my outrage but FF's reply fits the bill perfectly.
I guess tweeky and others think that peas and the suchlike grow on trees in handy shaped tins
And where does milk come from? The Express Dairy Magic Milk Making machine behind the local pub or in the local Tesco car park?
Like a decent beer? Hops couldn't possibly grow on trees could they? Urghhhh.
Some people need to get out more
The countryside matters and the people that live and work there to feed the nation need nurturing.
My thoughts on this...
The comment about rural petrol stations indulging in profit-driven price hikes made me smile... of course they do it for profit otherwise they'd go out of business. You're paying for the convenience... e.g. saving yourself a round trip of n amount of miles to fill up in the local market town where pump prices may be cheaper. Petrol stations don't make a massive profit from their fuel - especially one with a limited volume of sales located out in the middle of nowhere. In general they make more money from the retail (shop) side of their businesses. As an aside... I've noticed their bread and milk is always more expensive but again you're paying for convenience.
Things can cost more in remote areas because it costs more to deliver the goods there in the first place - be it fuel, bread, roofing materials. With rising food costs will there be calls to give them a discount on their weekly shop?
There is always a 5p a litre difference between a local supermarket filling station and one from the same supermarket chain only 7 miles away in an out-of-town shopping area... so it's not only rural areas affected by fuel price differences.
The comment about rural petrol stations indulging in profit-driven price hikes made me smile... of course they do it for profit otherwise they'd go out of business. You're paying for the convenience... e.g. saving yourself a round trip of n amount of miles to fill up in the local market town where pump prices may be cheaper. Petrol stations don't make a massive profit from their fuel - especially one with a limited volume of sales located out in the middle of nowhere. In general they make more money from the retail (shop) side of their businesses. As an aside... I've noticed their bread and milk is always more expensive but again you're paying for convenience.
Things can cost more in remote areas because it costs more to deliver the goods there in the first place - be it fuel, bread, roofing materials. With rising food costs will there be calls to give them a discount on their weekly shop?
There is always a 5p a litre difference between a local supermarket filling station and one from the same supermarket chain only 7 miles away in an out-of-town shopping area... so it's not only rural areas affected by fuel price differences.
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Quote by ForestFunsters
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
Why should we subsidise your fuel bills ???
Pay the rate or move.....Simples.....
Quote by ForestFunsters
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
perfectly sensible comment I would say....glad to see what you think of the town dwellers...therefore you won't mind paying more for your petrol so you don't have to stink and be over-crowded like us.
Sex God
Quote by ForestFunsters
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
Tough shit basically. Many people have to move out the area they were born in as they cant now afford to buy houses in the area. If you live or work in a rural area factor the cost into your accounts and if its not viable then tough I dont want to subsidize your fuel bill. Ive got relatives that live rurally none of them are farmers none of them need to live in a rural area and there are many other like them. I dont want to subsidize their fuel bills either. In fact as their house in that area probably cost about 50k less at the minimum than a similar house in the city then they dont need a fuel subsidy. Perhaps we should subsidize housing instead for the office workers who run the city and have to pay more for housing
Sex God
Todays news on this;
On a personal level, I would have no quibbles or problems with subsidising people who live in very remote rural areas.
On a personal level, I would have no quibbles or problems with subsidising people who live in very remote rural areas.
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Quote by tweeky
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
Tough shit basically. Many people have to move out the area they were born in as they cant now afford to buy houses in the area. If you live or work in a rural area factor the cost into your accounts and if its not viable then tough I dont want to subsidize your fuel bill. Ive got relatives that live rurally none of them are farmers none of them need to live in a rural area and there are many other like them. I dont want to subsidize their fuel bills either. In fact as their house in that area probably cost about 50k less at the minimum than a similar house in the city then they dont need a fuel subsidy. Perhaps we should subsidize housing instead for the office workers who run the city and have to pay more for housing
If the equivalent homes are more expensive in cities, how are these people to afford the move?
Quote by Bluefish2009
Sounds like a sensible idea to me
What do people here feel?
My view is that the large majority of rural homes are set in a cpl af acres with 6 bedrooms 4 bathrooms a bagatti vayron parked outside......looks like one class of people who mostly gain from this.....the rich.
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Quote by Louise4Darren
Sounds like a sensible idea to me
What do people here feel?
My view is that the large majority of rural homes are set in a cpl af acres with 6 bedrooms 4 bathrooms a bagatti vayron parked outside......looks like one class of people who mostly gain from this.....the rich.
Interesting view :eeek:
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Quote by Louise4Darren
Sounds like a sensible idea to me
What do people here feel?
My view is that the large majority of rural homes are set in a cpl af acres with 6 bedrooms 4 bathrooms a bagatti vayron parked outside......looks like one class of people who mostly gain from this.....the rich.
Try looking at the real world instead of programmes like 'let's move from London to the Country'. The VAST majority of homes in rural areas are 2 or 3 bedrooms at most. Many of them tied or rented and many of them suffering from insufficient investment in basic insulation and repairs. My source? My family and my ex's family live/have lived in the 'country' for generations.
Oh, and you're right about the prices - anything with 4 or more bedrooms, or any land of its own, is priced so high the locals can't afford them, higher than in towns, and way higher than the majority of jobs rural residents have will pay for. Many of these larger properties are used for a few weekends a year as (turns to spit) private weekend/holiday homes.
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Quote by Bluefish2009
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
Tough shit basically. Many people have to move out the area they were born in as they cant now afford to buy houses in the area. If you live or work in a rural area factor the cost into your accounts and if its not viable then tough I dont want to subsidize your fuel bill. Ive got relatives that live rurally none of them are farmers none of them need to live in a rural area and there are many other like them. I dont want to subsidize their fuel bills either. In fact as their house in that area probably cost about 50k less at the minimum than a similar house in the city then they dont need a fuel subsidy. Perhaps we should subsidize housing instead for the office workers who run the city and have to pay more for housing
If the equivalent homes are more expensive in cities, how are these people to afford the move?
Thats not what I was saying. If your house cost is 50k less you save on mortgage repayments, swings and roundabouts.
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Thats not what I was saying. If your house cost is 50k less you save on mortgage repayments, swings and roundabouts.
Quote by tweeky
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
Sorry, I may have miss-read. Where is there choice though? My thoughts were, if they are struggling with fuel cost's, how could they find the extra 50k to move where the fuel is cheaper?
It may not be swings and round abouts, it might be they have less money perhaps, if they have a rural job then they probably earn far less.
For people who live and work in the remote rural parts of the UK. I would happily subsidise there fuel cost's. For those who live in a rural area and work in cities, then that is a choice they have made!
Sex God
These are the type of people I would like to see benefit from this
Coalition ministers have said they want to look at targeted cuts in duty for drivers in remote parts of Britain.
Average fuel prices approaching for a litre of petrol have put the Coalition under intense pressure to act.
Fuel prices in rural areas can be even higher, with some petrol stations in northern Scotland charging as much as per litre.
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.
Ministers hope to extend the duty cut to more rural areas, but that would require the approval of the European Commission, which enforces European competition law.
From here
Coalition ministers have said they want to look at targeted cuts in duty for drivers in remote parts of Britain.
Average fuel prices approaching for a litre of petrol have put the Coalition under intense pressure to act.
Fuel prices in rural areas can be even higher, with some petrol stations in northern Scotland charging as much as per litre.
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.
Ministers hope to extend the duty cut to more rural areas, but that would require the approval of the European Commission, which enforces European competition law.
From here
Quote by tweeky
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.
What a stupid thing to say, of course it's not a fucking choice for many people. Many people are born in rural areas and work there and bring up families - why should we move to your stinking, over-crowded cities full of poncey twats that have no idea how to live an honest life?
Get real.
Tough shit basically. Many people have to move out the area they were born in as they cant now afford to buy houses in the area. If you live or work in a rural area factor the cost into your accounts and if its not viable then tough I dont want to subsidize your fuel bill. Ive got relatives that live rurally none of them are farmers none of them need to live in a rural area and there are many other like them. I dont want to subsidize their fuel bills either. In fact as their house in that area probably cost about 50k less at the minimum than a similar house in the city then they dont need a fuel subsidy. Perhaps we should subsidize housing instead for the office workers who run the city and have to pay more for housing
If the equivalent homes are more expensive in cities, how are these people to afford the move?
Thats not what I was saying. If your house cost is 50k less you save on mortgage repayments, swings and roundabouts.
The first cuts should be city-transport subsidies, like Bristol, London and most major UK cities. Why should tax-payers who don't live in the city have to pay for city dwellers to get around on the cheap? Hypocritical, to say the least.
And what about the unemployed that live in the cities? Should they be kicked out of their homes so that more productive working rural folk can move in? And single parents - complete waste of valuable city accommodation. Kick them out as well! Is this roughly how you would want your final solution to look?
Quote by ForestFunsters
The first cuts should be city-transport subsidies, like Bristol, London and most major UK cities. Why should tax-payers who don't live in the city have to pay for city dwellers to get around on the cheap? Hypocritical, to say the least.
And what about the unemployed that live in the cities? Should they be kicked out of their homes so that more productive working rural folk can move in? And single parents - complete waste of valuable city accommodation. Kick them out as well! Is this roughly how you would want your final solution to look?
Forest ..the subsidies for public transport in the city are extremly small when compared to the subsidies given to rural public transport services !!!
Unemployed people that can't pay their morgage..city or rural dwellers are kicked out !!
Fact is we need the produce that comes from rural areas....such as the meat, milk, and wheat. Equally we also need the goods made in ( your own words ) the stinky city, and industrial areas. We would have no car to put the petrol in, if it was not for the industrial zones.
Sex God
Quote by deancannock
The first cuts should be city-transport subsidies, like Bristol, London and most major UK cities. Why should tax-payers who don't live in the city have to pay for city dwellers to get around on the cheap? Hypocritical, to say the least.
And what about the unemployed that live in the cities? Should they be kicked out of their homes so that more productive working rural folk can move in? And single parents - complete waste of valuable city accommodation. Kick them out as well! Is this roughly how you would want your final solution to look?
Forest ..the subsidies for public transport in the city are extremly small when compared to the subsidies given to rural public transport services !!!
Unemployed people that can't pay their morgage..city or rural dwellers are kicked out !!
Fact is we need the produce that comes from rural areas....such as the meat, milk, and wheat. Equally we also need the goods made in ( your own words ) the stinky city, and industrial areas. We would have no car to put the petrol in, if it was not for the industrial zones.
Do we still make cars here? Its a serious question, as I dont know
