Government e-petitions

4 Aug 2011

Watching the news earlier and saw that the first "e-petitions", which allow the public to prompt for possible Parliamentary debates if they get enough support and the Government like them, have been published. (Any petition signed by more than 100,000 UK citizens goes to the cross-party Commons Backbench Business Committee, which will decide whether it is worthy of debate)
Forty of the first 169 petitions published call for the return of capital punishment and several say the UK should leave the European Union or withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights. However, seven call for the death penalty not to be reinstated.
However all isn't rosy, with the Government rejecting 154 petitions *, most relate to sport on TV, the majority calling for Formula One to be kept on free-to-air terrestrial stations.
For more information on e-petitions, then visit
* did say they'd be 'vetting' the ones that they 'liked', irrespective as to whether they were ones that people supported and wanted considering by the cross-party Commons Backbench Business Committee for parliamentary debate.
How this squares with the e-petition launch claim of "Today's launch represents another step towards a more accessible and transparent Parliament", House of Commons leader Sir George Young is up to you to decide.
Personally if it will be genuinely used as a public issues for consideration and to flag up items of concern, then maybe it's a good thing.
However by the time 100,000 signatures have been added for it then to be considered is if fast enough ?
or would people actually be better finding out when/if their local MP actually has a 'surgery' and going along and confronting them face to face, plus that way you'll (or should) get feedback from them on progress.
(To find your local councillor, MP or euro-MP (MEP), etc. then try , or just for MPs then

4 Aug 2011

There is no reason for anyone with more than half a brain cell to spare to imagine that anything a 'pleb' says, does, wants, will have any effect on the decisions made by that load of theiving, self-serving, ***********s.

4 Aug 2011

Two words .... lip service
I have no doubt that this will just end up as an exercise in canvassing opinion in order for the parties to adjust their manifesto's for just long enough to gain power,at which time other things will of course be more important

4 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Two words .... lip service
I have no doubt that this will just end up as an exercise in canvassing opinion in order for the parties to adjust their manifesto's for just long enough to gain power,at which time other things will of course be more important

sorry there is no way this party will get back in, the country was(is) in a bad way (so is the world) and this party even if the policies get us back on track have caused hardship and pain that the next party will offer a holiday from.
however bankers will still get their bonuses and i will still get over draft charges nowt really changes for mr average :sad:

10 Aug 2011

The most signed e-petition on the No 10 website is one calling for convicted rioters to lose benefit payments

10 Aug 2011

Does the petition include any ideas for what we will do with the starving homeless people that will result, other than presumably leaving them to live on their wits, which we have already discovered does not fall short of violence and theft.
For every problem there is an obvious and simple solution and it is usually wrong.

Quote by HnS

The most signed e-petition on the No 10 website is one calling for convicted rioters to lose benefit payments

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
Does the petition include any ideas for what we will do with the starving homeless people that will result, other than presumably leaving them to live on their wits, which we have already discovered does not fall short of violence and theft.
For every problem there is an obvious and simple solution and it is usually wrong.

The most signed e-petition on the No 10 website is one calling for convicted rioters to lose benefit payments

The rioted and they are already getting benefits. I don't see how their benefits have saved London so far. Personally I'd like to see them banned from every shop, pub and such like for 5 years. They can have the Library and the market.

10 Aug 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
The rioted and they are already getting benefits. I don't see how their benefits have saved London so far. Personally I'd like to see them banned from every shop, pub and such like for 5 years. They can have the Library and the market.

how about they work for the next three years for benifit only with the threat of ten years in prison if they dont
that way they learn a trade and help the economy get back on its feet with their employers almost being social worker and prison officer in one obviously no days off sick and no lates

10 Aug 2011

How about we just lock them up for the maximum time allowed under our law.

10 Aug 2011

Quote by croydoncouple38
How about we just lock them up for the maximum time allowed under our law.

:thumbup:
Dave_Notts

10 Aug 2011

Quote by croydoncouple38
How about we just lock them up for the maximum time allowed under our law.

yep then let them have the tv and playstation that they looted in their cells under the human rights act banghead

10 Aug 2011

Quote by croydoncouple38
How about we just lock them up for the maximum time allowed under our law.

that will be three weeks then and out after two on good behaviour. :crazy:

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob

The rioted and they are already getting benefits. I don't see how their benefits have saved London so far. Personally I'd like to see them banned from every shop, pub and such like for 5 years. They can have the Library and the market.

how about they work for the next three years for benifit only with the threat of ten years in prison if they dont
that way they learn a trade and help the economy get back on its feet with their employers almost being social worker and prison officer in one obviously no days off sick and no lates
What happens to the people who would be doing these jobs under normal circumstances ?? Benefits ?? riot for jobs ?? do currys get a trade .... I'm off down town. I could do with a fall back trade , I thin I'll ask for plumbing ... I'll just get the lay of the land off google first

10 Aug 2011

tell me staggers how many employers lay off workers that in reality they cant afford to lose ??
extra labour could mean cheaper prices
or lets just house them in prison at about 40k per year at the tax payers expense wink

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
tell me staggers how many employers lay off workers that in reality they cant afford to lose ??
extra labour could mean cheaper prices
or lets just house them in prison at about 40k per year at the tax payers expense

And if the state can fund the jobs for one group then why on earth would these employers have to lay any one off or are you advocating preferential treatment for criminals ?? now I'm all in favour of rehabilitation over punishment but even I wouldn't go that far
Sorry didn't answer your question .... non would be my guess if you can't afford to lose something you can't afford to lose it

10 Aug 2011

the e-petitions thread mentioned has now crashed

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
tell me staggers how many employers lay off workers that in reality they cant afford to lose ??
extra labour could mean cheaper prices
or lets just house them in prison at about 40k per year at the tax payers expense

And if the state can fund the jobs for one group then why on earth would these employers have to lay any one off or are you advocating preferential treatment for criminals ?? now I'm all in favour of rehabilitation over punishment but even I wouldn't go that far
what for these thugs to work for thier benifits
just think with an army like this staggs them council houses you all demand so much could be built for a fraction of the cost :wink:

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
tell me staggers how many employers lay off workers that in reality they cant afford to lose ??
extra labour could mean cheaper prices
or lets just house them in prison at about 40k per year at the tax payers expense

And if the state can fund the jobs for one group then why on earth would these employers have to lay any one off or are you advocating preferential treatment for criminals ?? now I'm all in favour of rehabilitation over punishment but even I wouldn't go that far
what for these thugs to work for thier benifits
just think with an army like this staggs them council houses you all demand so much could be built for a fraction of the cost :wink:
:thumbup:
still be cheep rents though. subsidised. lol

10 Aug 2011

There is I think an international treaty banning slavery

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
There is I think an international treaty banning slavery

In theory Staggs............so why is there a high percentage of items, including 100% of military helmets, made by inmates of the USA
I can't see what the difference is in picking litter or making number plates or breaking stone or building community centres by inmates. I would like to see them doing something to pay back to the community
Dave_Notts

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
There is I think an international treaty banning slavery

In theory Staggs............so why is there a high percentage of items, including 100% of military helmets, made by inmates of the USA
I can't see what the difference is in picking litter or making number plates or breaking stone or building community centres by inmates. I would like to see them doing something to pay back to the community
Dave_Notts
Because they ignore the international treaty against slavery
I would be more than happy to see anyone convicted helping to clean up the mess..... not however (as Robs suggestion would be) at the expense of someone else
"Got any work gov. I'm a time served brick layer"
"No we've got some rioters working for cheap"

10 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
There is I think an international treaty banning slavery

In theory Staggs............so why is there a high percentage of items, including 100% of military helmets, made by inmates of the USA
I can't see what the difference is in picking litter or making number plates or breaking stone or building community centres by inmates. I would like to see them doing something to pay back to the community
Dave_Notts
Because they ignore the international treaty against slavery
I would be more than happy to see anyone convicted helping to clean up the mess..... not however (as Robs suggestion would be) at the expense of someone else
"Got any work gov. I'm a time served brick layer"
"No we've got some rioters working for cheap"
All prisoners should work 8 hours a day for 5 and a half days a week. They should not be paid for it - they are repaying their debt to society. They get enormous benefit from working - from new skills to keeping too busy to start a ruck. The work should be challenging, physically hard if possible and useful. That is not slavery - that is reasonable exchange for their bed and board.

10 Aug 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
All prisoners should work 8 hours a day for 5 and a half days a week. They should not be paid for it - they are repaying their debt to society. They get enormous benefit from working - from new skills to keeping too busy to start a ruck. The work should be challenging, physically hard if possible and useful. That is not slavery - that is reasonable exchange for their bed and board.

:thumbup:
Repayment to society is a good thing. If they have a trade then some may work in society instead of crime.
Dave_Notts

11 Aug 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
All prisoners should work 8 hours a day for 5 and a half days a week. They should not be paid for it - they are repaying their debt to society. They get enormous benefit from working - from new skills to keeping too busy to start a ruck. The work should be challenging, physically hard if possible and useful. That is not slavery - that is reasonable exchange for their bed and board.

No Foxy I think you'll find it is slavery ..... it would also put thousands of honest hard working people on the dole

11 Aug 2011

Quote by croydoncouple38
How about we just lock them up for the maximum time allowed under our law.

i do believe that the first of those convicted got 10 and 16 weeks loon

11 Aug 2011

Perhaps an e-petition suggesting the overhaul of sentencing policies and another advocating prison reform would be in order?
I do wonder why "benefit claimants" are the focus of the popular e-petition. I imagine most rioters/looters are the kind of folk who have no qualms about doing anything necessary to get what they want. We used to call them criminals. I imagine some of the crimes include benefit fraud.
It says much for the stigma and prejudice associated with benefits in the UK. I think that is very sad.

11 Aug 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
It says much for the stigma and prejudice associated with benefits in the UK. I think that is very sad.

very moving ben very moving :upset:

11 Aug 2011

"
At Highbury (Magistrates court), only a minority had no record. Many seemed to be career criminals. Most were teenagers or in their twenties, but a surprising number were older. Most interestingly of all, they were predominantly white, and many had jobs. "

11 Aug 2011

interesting points

11 Aug 2011

And all these evicted benefits claimants are going to do what ????

Government e-petitions, good thing, bad thing or waste