They may occur in the same (twisted) mindset, but they aren't the same thing. Nor do they have to always go together. I think you are right about the casual link between fascists we are familiar with and their policies that end up being racist (or culturist) too.
I wouldn't invite either to dinner.
Who really gives a fuck?
I rather like him to be honest and he did score a wonder goal whilst at West Ham I believe.
I agree with No2, you can be a facist without being a racist, it is all about power, true AHitler hated the jews, but that wasnt really racist, he hated jews from all races.
He was racist against eastern europeans (as we know them now) he did believe Russians to be a sub human race and back then Russians were Albanians, Lithuanians etc.
Pohl Pott on the other hand simply killed his own people as did Stalin with no thought of race entering the equation, their targets were simply people within their own nations that they thought might be a threat to their power. Idi Amin and many others fall under that category.
Mussolini simply wanted more power and land he didnt care who or where it came from his facist regime simply wanted more.
Personally I dont think being a facist has anything to do with being racist though some facist dicatators have used race to give power to their cause, blame the jews, blame the blacks, blame the red indians, basically just pick on the less popular minority within your nation and use that to stir up support for yourselves whilst stirring up hatred for towards them and get the people behind you.
Argentina used the Falklands invasion to get the Nation behind a Dictatorship that was failing rapidly, suddenly the out of control inflation was forgotton, the Nations problems were forgotton, the people got behind the dictator.
I think this shows that Dictators just look for a good cause to get the people behind them, sometime they choose, race, sometimes religion, sometimes just land ownership.
I agree facisim and racism are two different things but due to media reporting the lines between the two can get somewhat blurred.
I personally while never agreeing with mr Dicanios political views always respected him as he stood up for his beliefs and wore his heart on his sleeve. Now that he is in a position much more in the limelight he seems to be backtracking a bit at which i do not agree .
Wether i like your political stance or not i,ll respect your right to have it what i wont respect is when you try to hide/change it to get yourself out of trouble
I think its a thin line.....fascism....is not exactly racist ....but almost every time ends up with the leader wanting do ethic cleanse the country !!
If de Canio is a fascist, then he at the very least holds extreme right wing views. Though I strongly oppose those views, I would fight for his right to hold them, so long as within the law. However the views would not go down well, in a quite left wing Sunderland !!
He would do well, to keep well out of politics and keep his mind on football. Sunderland should just about survive by skin of their teeth.....but they have employed a very loose cannon in De Canio......I think they may well live to regret it.
Now this hand signal is synonymous with a certain Adolf Hitler. Now we all know he was a Fascist but also a huge racist. He murdered millions of people because of their race and their sexual orientation.
This picture depicts very clearly to all except the most dumb in society, that this is him without a shadow of a doubt using a openly racist gesture. Italy's football supporters and many Italian's openly are racist.
Is there really any difference in the two pictures?
He is Italian and racism is rife in Italian football.
Pretty clear cut to me and no wonder David Miliband quit the club, as on the evidence he really had very little choice. Yes Paolo Di Canio is certainly guilty of using a racist gesture, does that make him an open racist though? Probably yes it does.
But AH was not racist, not as we see racism, he simply hated Jews and Jews are from every nationality, he simply wanted power, to rule the world, he hated homosexuals and gypsies who also come from all nations.
He believed the insane and old were a burden on resources so was happy to put them on the etermination list albeit at a lower priority to jews and gypsies.
He believed people from Russia were sub human but they were black, white, eastern and anything else available, or so he preached but we all know he just wanted Russian oilfields and resources so told his followers whatever they wanted to hear. The Master Race couldn't murder sub humans just simply put them out of their misery.
He was a facist but so was Italys Mussolini which is more likely where De Canio gets his facist ideals from.
If you want to discuss mass racism let's talk about the USA especially the South the KKK and the NRA.
Fascists would have you believe that theirs is a considered set of political beliefs rather than a knee jerk xenophobic reaction against anyone from a different culture or ethnic background....
but that's just bollocks .... of course fascists are racists.... if it looks like a duck waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck ..... it's a duck .. however much it might like to pretend it's a swan!
Jed
Are you suggesting that AH and BM were not racists because they hated everybody equally?
AH: I hate all Jews whether black or white therefore i am not a racist?
BM: I'm with mate .. and I hate all Gypsy whether they come from Poland or Romania or Serbia or Albania.. and because my hatred is so "pure" i am not a racist either
Gotta admit to having some difficulty following your logic on this one Jed.
Fascists do not have to be racist and not all racists are fascist. But beware of confusing Nazism with Fascism. Nazism is extremely racist, superior white race etc.
Funnily enough this was the mindset of the majority of the British Elite & Middle Classes pre collapse of the Raj. We weren't fascist though, but were certainly racist.
I suppose we could go down the path of questioning whether being a jew is to be a member of a religion or a race ... (I would say both)
Jed I can accept your right to hold your view but i can not agree m8 - Hitler was a racist pure and simple...
You may be right to question whether being a Christian makes you a member of a race ditto whether being a Roman Catholic or for that matter a Muslim..... because all of these religions are proselytising religions (hope spell check will help me out!).
The Jews and certain other religions did not proselytisye (i.e. actively convert others) and so the membership of the religion is very closely tied to their race
though there are a small number of exceptions I would suggest there is no real room to argue that the Jews are not a distinct "race"
Jack
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