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Having read a very good story where the OP clearly apologised for the grammar and spelling in advance, then got slatted in the comments.
I'm glad that the ADMIN Team permitted the negative comments but also the positve comments that far outwayed, and I thank the Team for that.
My post is back to a chatroom discussion earlier and how a post can be misread:
" I'd like you to fuck my mum" Immediatly the OP posted " Bum*" suffering endless sick jokes in response!
I think we all should be mindfull that as a swinging community we all stem from different backgrounds,communities and NOBODY is perfect, but here we're all equals!
Paddy
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I agree. I also feel that if a funny typo hits the chat room, it is open for others to enjoy. But there is a clear distinction between having a laugh ABOUT a typo that turns a sensible sentence into something funny and laughing AT it or the person who supplied it.
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I agree. I also feel that if a funny typo hits the chat room, it is open for others to enjoy. But there is a clear distinction between having a laugh ABOUT a typo that turns a sensible sentence into something funny and laughing AT it or the person who supplied it.
But does that same " TYPO" or comment left on an OP's Story in the forum or indeed a comment left on my profile be warranted purely because I and others questioned the original replies.
I think not, I'll not share the story in question, but it appears this OP has a habit of posting negative comments based on feedback.
Having a laugh is one thing, at others is an other thing! and something I can't merit.
Paddy
Sex God
Quote by Paddy
I agree. I also feel that if a funny typo hits the chat room, it is open for others to enjoy. But there is a clear distinction between having a laugh ABOUT a typo that turns a sensible sentence into something funny and laughing AT it or the person who supplied it.
Butdoes that same " TYPO" or comment left on an OP's Story in the forum or indeed a comment left on my profile be warranted purely because I and others questioned the original replies.
I think not, I'll not share the story in question, but it appears this OP has a habit of posting negative comments based on feedback.
Having a laugh is one thing, at others is an other thing! and something I can't merit.
Paddy
Since I have no idea what comments you are talking about in the bolded bit, I can neither agree nor disagree with your comment. Nor can I see if you are agreeing with what I put, or disagreeing with it.
I find it really, really difficult to read posts with poor spelling, grammar and punctuation and resist the urge to act like a teacher and re-post the comments with corrections in red text!! But, I generally try to ignore the mistakes (just as I do when friends email me or write messages on Facebook with similar errors), unless they're intentionally funny and pun-worthy posts, in which case I 
the person who has posted, as I love a clever play-on-words!!*
I know that it's not my place to correct people, no matter how much I would like to improve the general standard of English!!
I agree with Paddy that nobody is perfect and people shouldn't be made to feel stupid in what should be a warm and friendly environment. But, as a general comment (not directed at anyone in particular), it does make me sad that so many people seem to struggle so much with basic spelling, grammar and punctuation. I don't really know where I learned how to spell correctly and how to properly construct sentences, as I don't think it was taught particularly well when I was at school. I think it may be because I have always loved to read and I think you learn a lot about English language through reading.
Anyway... I'm not really sure that I have a point here... so I shall shut up now! :gagged:
:-D
* One of my favourite non-fiction books is "Eats, Shoots and Leaves", which is an excellent rant on poor punctuation, and is also a very clever book title!
the person who has posted, as I love a clever play-on-words!!*I know that it's not my place to correct people, no matter how much I would like to improve the general standard of English!!
I agree with Paddy that nobody is perfect and people shouldn't be made to feel stupid in what should be a warm and friendly environment. But, as a general comment (not directed at anyone in particular), it does make me sad that so many people seem to struggle so much with basic spelling, grammar and punctuation. I don't really know where I learned how to spell correctly and how to properly construct sentences, as I don't think it was taught particularly well when I was at school. I think it may be because I have always loved to read and I think you learn a lot about English language through reading.
Anyway... I'm not really sure that I have a point here... so I shall shut up now! :gagged:
:-D
* One of my favourite non-fiction books is "Eats, Shoots and Leaves", which is an excellent rant on poor punctuation, and is also a very clever book title!
Sex God
Grammatical errors, spelling mistakes, etc don't really bother me. So long as the poster is mostly writing coherent sentences that make sense the errors are easy to overlook. Even at grammar school I found English was not taught as a formal language to quite the same degree as Latin or French. Some will struggle with literacy no matter how it's taught, but more generally without sufficient emphasis on the logical underpinnings of a language how can you be expected to have a full grip on the rules and subtleties? I still have to double-check I'm not typing it's when I mean its, and that's with me fully understanding the difference.
I do make a distinction between genuine difficulties with grammar and spelling, and text speak though. To my mind text speak is just simple laziness. Might make sense to use it for actual texting, though I refuse to use it myself keying complete, fully punctuated sentences even there, but when used on a forum it suggests that the poster just couldn't be arsed typing a few extra characters to make a properly sensible sentence, expecting the reader to make the effort to decode and make sense of it. I just switch off to it. Why should I be arsed putting the effort in if the poster couldn't? I'd almost go so far as to suggest it demonstrates a certain contempt for the reader, that they're not worth the time and energy required to post in proper sentences.
I do make a distinction between genuine difficulties with grammar and spelling, and text speak though. To my mind text speak is just simple laziness. Might make sense to use it for actual texting, though I refuse to use it myself keying complete, fully punctuated sentences even there, but when used on a forum it suggests that the poster just couldn't be arsed typing a few extra characters to make a properly sensible sentence, expecting the reader to make the effort to decode and make sense of it. I just switch off to it. Why should I be arsed putting the effort in if the poster couldn't? I'd almost go so far as to suggest it demonstrates a certain contempt for the reader, that they're not worth the time and energy required to post in proper sentences.
Sex God
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Grammatical errors, spelling mistakes, etc don't really bother me. So long as the poster is mostly writing coherent sentences that make sense the errors are easy to overlook. Even at grammar school I found English was not taught as a formal language to quite the same degree as Latin or French. Some will struggle with literacy no matter how it's taught, but more generally without sufficient emphasis on the logical underpinnings of a language how can you be expected to have a full grip on the rules and subtleties? I still have to double-check I'm not typing it's when I mean its, and that's with me fully understanding the difference.
I do make a distinction between genuine difficulties with grammar and spelling, and text speak though. To my mind text speak is just simple laziness. Might make sense to use it for actual texting, though I refuse to use it myself keying complete, fully punctuated sentences even there, but when used on a forum it suggests that the poster just couldn't be arsed typing a few extra characters to make a properly sensible sentence, expecting the reader to make the effort to decode and make sense of it. I just switch off to it. Why should I be arsed putting the effort in if the poster couldn't? I'd almost go so far as to suggest it demonstrates a certain contempt for the reader, that they're not worth the time and energy required to post in proper sentences.
What he said (bold). :thumbup:
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I hate bad spellin and grammer so much. I've only 3 things to say about thees.
Bad spellings just layziness you should use a program to chek it.
as for the grammer well if, you have not learnt how to put it together then you ought to go back and learn something else.
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Naughty Skinny!
Even at grammar school I found English was not taught as a formal language to quite the same degree as Latin or French.
This is a bit of a bugbear of mine to be honest. My school taught French from age 6, I started learning German aged 13 and I studied Latin for two years aged 12 - 14. My A Levels included English Lit, French and German. Throughout all those years of studying my mother tongue along with one ancient language and 2 contemporary languages, I don't remember being taught English grammar to the same degree as I was taught it in the other three languages.
I'm sure that we were all taught English grammar at a basic level in primary school - I can remember being taught about commas and feeling sure that I would never understand how to use them! However, my own level of ability to use grammatically correct English has come from studying foreign languages and not from being taught English grammar formally.
The reason that I consider it important to be grammatically correct is because of the possibility of misunderstanding that can arise from inaccuracies (For example the phrase "Let's eat Grandma" versus "Let's eat, Grandma"). I've actually had a few little disputes with people as a result of this issue - when I've been misunderstood or I've misunderstood them.
I also sometimes feel sad when I read things on the internet and I see the way spelling is going - e.g. ov rather than of, yous as the plural of you (English doesn't even have a plural of you) and the one that really gets my goat is "should of" (or even "should ov"!) instead of should have. I have to remind myself that language is an evolving thing - anyone who has tried to read Chaucer can see how much the english language has changed since then (even Shakespeare requires a bit of translation).
Sometimes we just have to accept this and move on (although it does make me feel like an old fuddyduddy when I listen to young people or read what / how they write now).
This is a bit of a bugbear of mine to be honest. My school taught French from age 6, I started learning German aged 13 and I studied Latin for two years aged 12 - 14. My A Levels included English Lit, French and German. Throughout all those years of studying my mother tongue along with one ancient language and 2 contemporary languages, I don't remember being taught English grammar to the same degree as I was taught it in the other three languages.
I'm sure that we were all taught English grammar at a basic level in primary school - I can remember being taught about commas and feeling sure that I would never understand how to use them! However, my own level of ability to use grammatically correct English has come from studying foreign languages and not from being taught English grammar formally.
The reason that I consider it important to be grammatically correct is because of the possibility of misunderstanding that can arise from inaccuracies (For example the phrase "Let's eat Grandma" versus "Let's eat, Grandma"). I've actually had a few little disputes with people as a result of this issue - when I've been misunderstood or I've misunderstood them.
I also sometimes feel sad when I read things on the internet and I see the way spelling is going - e.g. ov rather than of, yous as the plural of you (English doesn't even have a plural of you) and the one that really gets my goat is "should of" (or even "should ov"!) instead of should have. I have to remind myself that language is an evolving thing - anyone who has tried to read Chaucer can see how much the english language has changed since then (even Shakespeare requires a bit of translation).
Sometimes we just have to accept this and move on (although it does make me feel like an old fuddyduddy when I listen to young people or read what / how they write now).
Sexpert
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We are all guilty of prejudice in one way or another ...
" I think we all should be mindfull that as a swinging community we all stem from different backgrounds,communities and NOBODY is perfect, but here we're all equals!"
Moi, I'd never be guilty of prejice.
Paddy
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Before getting involved in the lifestyle/community, I had assumed that there would be less prejudice, more open-mindedness and a more relaxed attitude to life.
I also assumed that there would be a kind of comradery with people who have a shared interest.
BTW "comradery" doesn't appear to be an actual word lol.
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We are all guilty of prejudice in one way or another ...
" I think we all should be mindfull that as a swinging community we all stem from different backgrounds,communities and NOBODY is perfect, but here we're all equals!"
Moi, I'd never be guilty of prejice.
Paddy
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Before getting involved in the lifestyle/community, I had assumed that there would be less prejudice, more open-mindedness and a more relaxed attitude to life.
I also assumed that there would be a kind of comradery with people who have a shared interest.
BTW "comradery" doesn't appear to be an actual word lol.
It's camaraderie
Sex God
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However, my own level of ability to use grammatically correct English has come from studying foreign languages and not from being taught English grammar formally.
Exactly this. When to use Neil and I or Neil and me for instance. Depends if the Neil and someone are subjects or objects of a verb doesn't it? I was 14 before I grasped that Neil and me could even be the correct usage at times at all, in Latin class, and it wasn't just me. Insisting on Neil and I in all circumstances was an error made by half the class. He had to explain it again and again until it sunk in. We must have been making the same error between us constantly in English, but I don't remember being pulled up on it and having a conversation about proper usage there. Why not? How long did it take me to learn that its is always possessive, and doesn't require an apostrophe? 30 odd bloody years, that's how long!
Sex God
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However, my own level of ability to use grammatically correct English has come from studying foreign languages and not from being taught English grammar formally.
Exactly this. When to use Neil and I or Neil and me for instance. Depends if the Neil and someone are subjects or objects of a verb doesn't it? I was 14 before I grasped that Neil and me could even be the correct usage at times at all, in Latin class, and it wasn't just me. Insisting on Neil and I in all circumstances was an error made by half the class. He had to explain it again and again until it sunk in. We must have been making the same error between us constantly in English, but I don't remember being pulled up on it and having a conversation about proper usage there. Why not? How long did it take me to learn that its is always possessive, and doesn't require an apostrophe? 30 odd bloody years, that's how long!
The way I learned it was take away the other person - does it still sound right?
So,
Neil and I went to the pictures - I went to the pictures. OK.
It was a hot, wet night for Neil and I - It was a hot, wet night for I. Not OK.
:giggle:
I did German at school it taught me more about the way English works than my English teacher ever did.
Mind you I grew up with ITA (Google it). It's a miracle those of us who suffered it can use more than 50 words. It certainly did nothing for providing us with the ability to deal with new words or usages. Luckily my household was a reading one - books from the library, books for birthdays, magazines for pocket money - and so I as surrounded by books that I could pick up and enjoy. That washed the ITA rubbish out of my brain.
On that thought - does anyone remember the school Book Club? You took the list home, pored over it, ticked off the book(s) you wanted and took the form and money into school, and in a month or so a wonderful, glorious box would arrive in the class and books would be handed out and enjoyed.
I rememeber teh school book club. Mum would always buy me a book even if she had to sen dme out to collect pop bottles for the deposits to raise the cash.
Neil it's shocking that it's taken so long.
I think school delivers the basics and it's up to us to build on that. I often think a grounding in greek and latin would have helped me to develop my language skills more quickly.
Neil it's shocking that it's taken so long.
I think school delivers the basics and it's up to us to build on that. I often think a grounding in greek and latin would have helped me to develop my language skills more quickly.
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However, my own level of ability to use grammatically correct English has come from studying foreign languages and not from being taught English grammar formally.
Exactly this. When to use Neil and I or Neil and me for instance. Depends if the Neil and someone are subjects or objects of a verb doesn't it? I was 14 before I grasped that Neil and me could even be the correct usage at times at all, in Latin class, and it wasn't just me. Insisting on Neil and I in all circumstances was an error made by half the class. He had to explain it again and again until it sunk in. We must have been making the same error between us constantly in English, but I don't remember being pulled up on it and having a conversation about proper usage there. Why not? How long did it take me to learn that its is always possessive, and doesn't require an apostrophe? 30 odd bloody years, that's how long!
The way I learned it was take away the other person - does it still sound right?
So,
Neil and I went to the pictures - I went to the pictures. OK.
It was a hot, wet night for Neil and I - It was a hot, wet night for I. Not OK.
:giggle:
I did German at school it taught me more about the way English works than my English teacher ever did.
Mind you I grew up with ITA (Google it). It's a miracle those of us who suffered it can use more than 50 words. It certainly did nothing for providing us with the ability to deal with new words or usages. Luckily my household was a reading one - books from the library, books for birthdays, magazines for pocket money - and so I as surrounded by books that I could pick up and enjoy. That washed the ITA rubbish out of my brain.
On that thought - does anyone remember the school Book Club? You took the list home, pored over it, ticked off the book(s) you wanted and took the form and money into school, and in a month or so a wonderful, glorious box would arrive in the class and books would be handed out and enjoyed.
It does depend on whether the person is the subject or the object of the verb - and the easiest way to do it is without doubt to take away the other person and see if it still sounds right. But I just don't think that we're taught this at school and I think that we should be.
I remember school book club too - it was always something to look forward to, I used to love reading... I was a shy child
Sexlightened
One of my greatest regrets is that my English skills are not as good as they should be. My spelling and punctuation, although not a total mess, are not perfect. I still don't know where i should be using commas! (Lilith feel free to use that red pen )
I believe that this affected .. or is it effected .. my grade at University but took advice from my Tutor to use Newspaper articles as a framework to build essays.
Much of my learning has been self taught and it's no co-incidence that English was my weakest language as the Teacher was a dull and un-inspiring middle aged Man, whereas my Maths teacher was a recently graduated big boobed brunette .... you guessed it I got an A for Maths
On a side note I do love the new punctuation that has crept in, namely the three dots ... and multi exclamation marks. I use them all the time !!!!
)I believe that this affected .. or is it effected .. my grade at University but took advice from my Tutor to use Newspaper articles as a framework to build essays.
Much of my learning has been self taught and it's no co-incidence that English was my weakest language as the Teacher was a dull and un-inspiring middle aged Man, whereas my Maths teacher was a recently graduated big boobed brunette .... you guessed it I got an A for Maths
On a side note I do love the new punctuation that has crept in, namely the three dots ... and multi exclamation marks. I use them all the time !!!!
I just googled ITA - I wasn't familiar with that acronym, but as I suspected it refers to phonetic reading. This was disastrous (in my opinion) for the children who were taught to read in this way - I know people who were taught to read phonetically and they spell the same way as each other, unfortunately with a lot of errors.
You might be surprised to hear that it made a resurgence in schools in recent years - no idea on what basis, it really didn't work the first time around.
You might be surprised to hear that it made a resurgence in schools in recent years - no idea on what basis, it really didn't work the first time around.
Sexlightened
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I believe that this affected .. or is it effected ..
It's "affected" in that context. Let me know if you'd like a lesson on why...! ;-)
Thought it was, but i'm a slow learner so may need a few one-to-one lessons ;-)
Sex God
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One of my greatest regrets is that my English skills are not as good as they should be. My spelling and punctuation, although not a total mess, are not perfect. I still don't know where i should be using commas! (Lilith feel free to use that red pen
I believe that this affected .. or is it effected .. my grade at University but took advice from my Tutor to use Newspaper articles as a framework to build essays.
Much of my learning has been self taught and it's no co-incidence that English was my weakest language as the Teacher was a dull and un-inspiring middle aged Man, whereas my Maths teacher was a recently graduated big boobed brunette .... you guessed it I got an A for Maths
On a side note I do love the new punctuation that has crept in, namely the three dots ... and multi exclamation marks. I use them all the time !!!!
Commas - use them when you would breathe if you were reading it out loud.
Semi-colons (;) where you could break the sentence into 2 and both would still make sense, but when they make more sense if you read them together.
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Semi-colons (;) where you could break the sentence into 2 and both would still make sense, but when they make more sense if you read them together.
... and if the conditions required for a colon aren't met, and there is no joining word that would require a comma (e.g. "but" or "and").
A colon is used where the text that follows the colon elaborates on the text that precedes the colon - e.g. "She was not very happy: her car had been stolen".
(The other difference between using colons and using semi-colons is that you can use a colon between incomplete sentences (although it is common for the text preceding the colon to be a complete sentence)).
A famous example of the use of a semi-colon is "it was the best of times; it was the worst of times".
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Commas - use them when you would breathe if you were reading it out loud.
I've found that some people find this guidance difficult to apply (perhaps because they don't breathe in the right places when speaking out loud!!)
There are various uses for the comma:
1. In lists of three or more things (rather than using "and" or "or" between each item in the list).
2. To join together two complete sentences (in which case you have to use a connecting word - "and", "or", "but", etc. - after the comma). This is an alternative to using a semi-colon.
3. Where words are left out because they would repeat words used earlier in a sentence (this is easiest with an example: "Jane was well know for her excellent cupcakes; Francis, for her scones". ) It's not always necessary to use a comma in these circumstances though: if the sentence would make sense without the comma it can be left out.
4. Most commonly, commas are used to "bracket". This is where the text between two commas could be removed and the sentence would still make sense - e.g. "It was not, in my opinion, her finest painting." If the text that could be removed appears at the beginning or end of a sentence you only use one comma - e.g. "We were very happy with the results, all in all."
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Semi-colons (;) where you could break the sentence into 2 and both would still make sense, but when they make more sense if you read them together.
... and if the conditions required for a colon aren't met, and there is no joining word that would require a comma (e.g. "but" or "and").
A colon is used where the text that follows the colon elaborates on the text that precedes the colon - e.g. "She was not very happy: her car had been stolen".
(The other difference between using colons and using semi-colons is that you can use a colon between incomplete sentences (although it is common for the text preceding the colon to be a complete sentence)).
A famous example of the use of a semi-colon is "it was the best of times; it was the worst of times".
I usually use my colon after breakfast
Firstly " FOXY " may I say, how glad I am, someone else knows of ITA. I suffered that at my infants school, and I do believe, my spelling has suffered ever since. Somehow I managed to get an A level in both Englinh language, and English literature. My teacher herself said she was amazed how I passed, with my terrible spelling. The answer in reality was simple. In an exam situation, I never used words I couldn't spell. Sometimes I would sit there for a minute or two thinking of another way to say what I wanted, as I couldn't actually spell the word I wanted to use !!
Now as for this Forum and other things I read, I have to say I couldn't care less. So long as I can understand what they are saying, and the point they are trying to put across , does it really matter !!
Now as for this Forum and other things I read, I have to say I couldn't care less. So long as I can understand what they are saying, and the point they are trying to put across , does it really matter !!
