Living on the bead line

3 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
He probably fucks them off, like he does everyone on here....

Making snide references every time I post constantly, proves what a kind of person you are...........paranoid. Maybe instead of calling you Uncle Arthur, maybe Victor Meldrew is closer to the mark as your constant whinging I am sure gets on people's nerves.
You are acting like a spoilt little child who has had it's ball taken away. Grow up FFS.

3 Apr 2013

Quote by whiplash
Is that a serious question Toots?
Do you watch any regional/national news?
Do you look around your own neighbourhood for example?
It has been well covered within the media about the lack of one bedroomed social housing, I know my own local council demolished the majority of one bedroomed properties for singles/couples to make way for bungalows for the over 65's.
This may free up a few larger properties for families but it does not provide affordable accomodation for those that do not have children.
Even 2 bedroomed properties provided by the local authority are scarce in comparison to 3 bedroomed properties.

I am glad that you have also seen the news with regards to the lack of one bed roomed properties. That is why this new tax is so unfair. If there were valid alternatives for people that would be one thing, but a lot of these people are already under huge pressure financially, and are given two choices.........move if you can or pay the money. Paying the money just means that either something else won't be paid, or no food on the table for a day or two.
The only people who really understand are the people affected by this new change in their housing benefit. A lot of people are having to give up their properties and move in with other members of their extended family, but that is no way to live if you have a child for example. Whatever happened to the right to a family life that so many use as an excuse not to be deported from the UK? How can you have a family life if you have no family home?

3 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
He probably fucks them off, like he does everyone on here....

Not me. However the constant bickering between you pair does get boring!

4 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

He probably fucks them off, like he does everyone on here....

Making snide references every time I post constantly, proves what a kind of person you are...........paranoid. Maybe instead of calling you Uncle Arthur, maybe Victor Meldrew is closer to the mark as your constant whinging I am sure gets on people's nerves.
You are acting like a spoilt little child who has had it's ball taken away. Grow up FFS.
Well now, perhaps at long last, you have come to realise just what a twat you were to minx when you were stalking her, incessantly insisting that she tell the world what street she lived on and that she knew nothing about anything because you were oh so perfect. I really felt for her and she did well to kick you in to touch at the time (and since).
Task done.
Now I'll leave you to splutter your meaningless tripe about subjects you are less than qualified to understand, although I hope it will be with better knowledge and experience about the effect that bigoted views and bullyboy ministrations can have on people.
At least you learned how to use the spell checker and do complex cut and past wink

4 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
At least you learned how to use the spell checker and do complex cut and past

Hmmm, it seems you haven't mastered the spell checker yet though innocent

4 Apr 2013

Quote by Trevaunance
He probably fucks them off, like he does everyone on here....

Not me. However the constant bickering between you pair does get boring!
Frankly it starts as boring and degenerates into pathetically annoying in about 4 posts.

4 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
At least you learned how to use the spell checker and do complex cut and past

Quote by Trevaunance
Hmmm, it seems you haven't mastered the spell checker yet though

Well what ya know Trev? I may well have learned the spell checker, but seems not everybody has. I nearly wet myself when I saw that.

:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

4 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
Well now, perhaps at long last, you have come to realise just what a twat you were to minx when you were stalking her, incessantly insisting that she tell the world what street she lived on and that she knew nothing about anything because you were oh so perfect. I really felt for her and she did well to kick you in to touch at the time (and since).

So YOU are the moral high ground of SH now then? You and YOU alone decide who posts what and when and to who? I know Minxy very well as she does me, and she is more than capable of answering for herself, which she always does. Do you answer for your Wife as well? I am sure Minxy would not be too happy about someone talking on her behalf, as if she is not capable of doing so herself..

Quote by GnV
Task done.

Well at least people can see exactly where you are coming from and the kind of person you are.

Quote by GnV
Now I'll leave you to splutter your meaningless tripe about subjects you are less than qualified to understand, although I hope it will be with better knowledge and experience about the effect that bigoted views and bullyboy ministrations can have on people.

Well if it is sooo meaningless, I will not expect you to not comment ever again on anything I write, but I shall give that about 5 hours. Victor I shall call you in future.....A man of greater years puffing, huffing and billowing, and shouting at the top of your voice......." I DON'T BELIEVE IT ". :evil2::evil2:

Quote by GnV
At least you learned how to use the spell checker and do complex cut and past

Obviously you need a lesson or two on that score, oh and I was doing complex cut and paste a long while back, it's just you never noticed :bounce:

5 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
So..................Ian Duncan Smith, you know that Tory Minister in charge of Welfare reforms for the Tory's, reckons he can live on £53 a week.
Mr Duncan Smith, who earns £134,000 a year and lives in a £2million Tudor country house with wife Betsy, a member of the aristocratic Fremantle family, has made this silly statement that he could do this. There is now an on line petition that has now be signed by over people asking him to do exactly that.
He is of course now backtracking on this and rubbishing the petition, as he would. I reckon he should be made to do it for a couple of months, as it is so easy to be smug when dealing with poor people's lives when you go home to a 2 million pound house with pots of money in your bank account.
So........who here could live on £53 a week? Should this Tory minister put his morals where his mouth is? Or should he just continue with the reforms but keep his big gob shut whilst doing it? He certainly has made himself look a right twat by his comments, and so out of touch with the poorest in society but he don't give a shit. Oh and the link for the website if anyone wants to sign the petition is here.

I have just visited four different countries over the last couple of weeks and it is interesting to get an alternative perspective on global and economic issues.
The position that IDS is in simply proves that if he needed to, he could live on that amount of money but fortunately he does not have to and he has far better things to do than the seemingly thousands of idiots who think that he should.
The UK population mass is losing the plot and all the time the New World Order is being ignored by a British population who thinks that they are entitled to a good life just because they are British. You have not seen anything yet if you think that there have been cuts or that we are living in austere times. The next election will be a watershed moment for this country and a time of massive historical significance. It will be the day when all political parties have to admit that Welfare UK is finished in the way that we have become used to. The world has changed in a big way and the current winning economnies are the lean and hungry emerging nations. Nations and economies that have become fat and complacent with decades of the good life have a great deal more pain to come because there is simply no easy answer. The Corporate tax issue is a huge red herring because it is a global problem requiring global action and no UK government of any persuasion can change that in a day.
The only thing that the coalition cuts have achieved is to slow down how much we are over spending. We are still spending 20% more than we collect in taxes on a daily basis and most of that goes on welfare. There are huge cuts ahead and life will be increasingly painful for the low skilled, under employed.
Batten down the hatches - advise your children that the crops are about to fail and to get better educated, highly skilled and be prepared to move away from the cozy home town - across the world if necessary.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
The world has changed in a big way and the current winning economnies are the lean and hungry emerging nations.

Sorry to snip your post but I thought I would post a link showing the fastest growing nations currently. Can you spot anything about them at all?

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
The UK population mass is losing the plot and all the time the New World Order is being ignored by a British population who thinks that they are entitled to a good life just because they are British. You have not seen anything yet if you think that there have been cuts or that we are living in austere times. The next election will be a watershed moment for this country and a time of massive historical significance. It will be the day when all political parties have to admit that Welfare UK is finished in the way that we have become used to. The world has changed in a big way and the current winning economnies are the lean and hungry emerging nations. Nations and economies that have become fat and complacent with decades of the good life have a great deal more pain to come because there is simply no easy answer. The Corporate tax issue is a huge red herring because it is a global problem requiring global action and no UK government of any persuasion can change that in a day.

If there is one thing about the UK that seems ever apparent is that in times of crisis (war/terrorism/plaugue/poverty) we have proved to be resilient enough to cope and thus far whatever has been chucked at us as a Nation we seems to get over it and march on.
Tough times ahead? For sure *shrugs* but we'll cope and admirably at that.
I see nothing new from your offering (above quote part post) choosing to write it off as nothing more than Doom-Mongering Rhetoric.

5 Apr 2013

Yep, they are lean, hungry and mineral rich nations!

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Toots
I see nothing new from your offering (above quote part post) choosing to write it off as nothing more than Doom-Mongering Rhetoric.

Gets the great big thumbs up from me. :thumbup:
And anyway........why would the likes of TH give a toss? As they have made their money and damn anyone else who gets in their way whilst getting it, oh and damn the benefit scroungers even more.
Can you imagine a society where millions are like TH, and have the views he holds towards the poor? Oh yes sorry I forgot we have............they are called bankers.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Yep, they are lean, hungry and mineral rich nations!

Close Rogue. But what do you need to get to become a fast growing nation?

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Toots
I see nothing new from your offering (above quote part post) choosing to write it off as nothing more than Doom-Mongering Rhetoric.

Head in the sand I'm afraid. If you are spending more than you earn - how will you continue to live and exist? Keep borrowing and keep borrowing? That is what the UK is doing right now. So what is your answer? Just carry on and hope something might change?
The great problem with complacent UK is that no one really looks at the rest of the world to see what is going on elsewhere and then apply those observations to this country in order to grasp the scale of the problem that we face.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Yep, they are lean, hungry and mineral rich nations!

Close Rogue. But what do you need to get to become a fast growing nation?
A very low starting point !!!
John

5 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

I see nothing new from your offering (above quote part post) choosing to write it off as nothing more than Doom-Mongering Rhetoric.

Gets the great big thumbs up from me. :thumbup:
And anyway........why would the likes of TH give a toss? As they have made their money and damn anyone else who gets in their way whilst getting it, oh and damn the benefit scroungers even more.
Can you imagine a society where millions are like TH, and have the views he holds towards the poor? Oh yes sorry I forgot we have............they are called bankers.
You really are silly Star. Open your eyes and try to look objectively at the issues instead of through a political eyeglass. My office is here in the UK (for now) so I care about what is going on and because I travel a great deal I get a broad perspective on where the UK sits in the world. I can tell you that most Brits have a much higher opinion of their financial worth to society than is actually the case in reality. Decades of expectation of high wages and guaranteed jobs has programmed a completely false sense of reality in the nations mind.
Lower wages and longer working hours will be the future for many, many years to come. Will it be the ordinary person who suffers most? Yes it will - just like it has been the case for thousands of years. Ordinary people suffer the most in times of crisis so if you don't want that for your children make sure they know that they have to be better educated, more highly skilled and totally self reliant.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
Head in the sand I'm afraid. If you are spending more than you earn - how will you continue to live and exist? Keep borrowing and keep borrowing? That is what the UK is doing right now. So what is your answer? Just carry on and hope something might change?
The great problem with complacent UK is that no one really looks at the rest of the world to see what is going on elsewhere and then apply those observations to this country in order to grasp the scale of the problem that we face.

It's a bit naive to think that we don't have an idea of what is ahead and what nations are to be the next movers & shakers, of course we do,it's why we're attempting to curb our bad habits and to adapt for the way ahead, I'm confident that we will.
These upcoming nations are not without their own problems and I'd be more worried for Arab nations whose Oil is slowly running out and when i does what then will they have to offer?
Ok, we're playing catch up but methinks the UK is well placed to compete on the global stage.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
Ordinary people suffer the most in times of crisis so if you don't want that for your children make sure they know that they have to be better educated, more highly skilled and totally self reliant.

For the jobs that will not be there TH?
Already we see over 2 million unemployed and nowhere near enough available jobs to fill those amounts of unemployed. Then later this year even more migrants being allowed to enter to suffocate the job market? Possibly a further to enter in the next five years and that intake will force lower wages and poorer housing.
And so what is the answer to a country swelling to over 70 million plus? The Governments seem to think this is not a problem, and when it gets to 80 million? What about 90 million? This country as much as I hate to say it, is finished as a great nation. When we have politicians and Chancellors FGS like Gordon Brown, who did not spot the banking collapse until it was to late, or sells our gold reserves at the lowest possible figure without giving it away, and you have to question if those people who make such huge mistakes have any more of a clue than the man on the street.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Ordinary people suffer the most in times of crisis so if you don't want that for your children make sure they know that they have to be better educated, more highly skilled and totally self reliant.

For the jobs that will not be there TH?
Already we see over 2 million unemployed and nowhere near enough available jobs to fill those amounts of unemployed. Then later this year even more migrants being allowed to enter to suffocate the job market? Possibly a further to enter in the next five years and that intake will force lower wages and poorer housing.
And so what is the answer to a country swelling to over 70 million plus? The Governments seem to think this is not a problem, and when it gets to 80 million? What about 90 million? This country as much as I hate to say it, is finished as a great nation. When we have politicians and Chancellors FGS like Gordon Brown, who did not spot the banking collapse until it was to late, or sells our gold reserves at the lowest possible figure without giving it away, and you have to question if those people who make such huge mistakes have any more of a clue than the man on the street.
Why don't you dismantle what you have written and think it through more objectively.
1) There are 2,000,000 unemployed - what is needed to get those people working? Private sector investment to create jobs in that sector. Who are private sector investors? They are people like you and me on the smallest scale and big businesses on a larger scale.
2) Of that 2,000,000 how many are Polish? My guess would be not that many. All of the migrants that I know are either working or are working for themselves. Some have created employment for others meaning that we have imported private sector investment.
3) Assuming that 10,000,000 more immigrants were to come - just for sake of an argument. The populist and alarmist theory would be that there would be 10,000,000 more people looking for work. The economic reality is that amongst that 10,000,000 people would be people who would set up businesses and create wealth and employment for others. Think about it - We probably had 1,500,000 - 2,000,000 unemployed when the first batch of Eastern Europeans came and yet the majority have absorbed into the job market and many have created their own businesses and more jobs. Of the 2,000,000 currently unemployed a significant proportion will be long term unemployed in any circumstance.
4) Whilst it is not good for the resident population rapid inward migration is economically beneficial for the country as it means that more taxes are paid. Balancing the fears of the resident population and still attracting talented migrants is the key.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
Why don't you dismantle what you have written and think it through more objectively.

Ok lets try.

Quote by Too Hot
1) There are 2,000,000 unemployed - what is needed to get those people working? Private sector investment to create jobs in that sector. Who are private sector investors? They are people like you and me on the smallest scale and big businesses on a larger scale.

Investment TH? What the kinds of investments that banks are not doing? People don't want to invest at the moment as things are so uncertain they want to keep their money safe. Getting the housing market moving is a good sign, but even after the budget let's see if indeed the housing market and the building of new houses does indeed kick start the economy. Somehow I think this dip is too deep to do that.

Quote by Too Hot
2) Of that 2,000,000 how many are Polish? My guess would be not that many. All of the migrants that I know are either working or are working for themselves. Some have created employment for others meaning that we have imported private sector investment.

Why are you using Polish workers as your example? Lets take all immigrants into this equation. Would you agree with the estimates of four million migrants entering the UK in the last decade? There are also guesses of another million or so illegal immigrants in the UK. So that is 5 million people, and I would estimate at a guess that at least half of those are working, which is 2.5 million immigrants working in the UK from a 15 years ago. Even you cannot possibly deny that is a close assessment?

Quote by Too Hot
3) Assuming that 10,000,000 more immigrants were to come - just for sake of an argument. The populist and alarmist theory would be that there would be 10,000,000 more people looking for work. The economic reality is that amongst that 10,000,000 people would be people who would set up businesses and create wealth and employment for others. Think about it - We probably had 1,500,000 - 2,000,000 unemployed when the first batch of Eastern Europeans came and yet the majority have absorbed into the job market and many have created their own businesses and more jobs. Of the 2,000,000 currently unemployed a significant proportion will be long term unemployed in any circumstance.

The economy is suffering greatly because people cannot get the finance needed to start up their business. Are you seriously telling us the Romanian immigrants are going to come here to start up their own businesses with no help from the UK? Are you possibly mad? Your figures do not add up at all and you are from the Gordon Brown school of thought and look where that got us.

Quote by Too Hot
4) Whilst it is not good for the resident population rapid inward migration is economically beneficial for the country as it means that more taxes are paid. Balancing the fears of the resident population and still attracting talented migrants is the key.

A simple piece of mathematics. Employers in the whole will get away with paying the minimum amount in wages if they could given the chance. Immigrant workers are paid less money than their British counterparts and when say a Polish worker comes here and takes the job of a British worker on £11 an hour and will do the job for £7 an hour, what happens to that British worker? He loses his job and pays no taxes but claims benefits. So the Government then get a Polish worker paying their taxes on £7 an hour instead of the £11 an hour they were getting. Now times that logic by a couple of million and you may begin to see a bit of a picture emerge.
You will not see that getting in cheap immigrant labour is not helping at all, as what heppens to the British worker that the Pole has put out of a job?

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
Ordinary people suffer the most in times of crisis so if you don't want that for your children make sure they know that they have to be better educated, more highly skilled and totally self reliant.

For the jobs that will not be there TH?
Already we see over 2 million unemployed and nowhere near enough available jobs to fill those amounts of unemployed. Then later this year even more migrants being allowed to enter to suffocate the job market? Possibly a further to enter in the next five years and that intake will force lower wages and poorer housing.
And so what is the answer to a country swelling to over 70 million plus? The Governments seem to think this is not a problem, and when it gets to 80 million? What about 90 million? This country as much as I hate to say it, is finished as a great nation. When we have politicians and Chancellors FGS like Gordon Brown, who did not spot the banking collapse until it was to late, or sells our gold reserves at the lowest possible figure without giving it away, and you have to question if those people who make such huge mistakes have any more of a clue than the man on the street.
4) Whilst it is not good for the resident population rapid inward migration is economically beneficial for the country as it means that more taxes are paid. Balancing the fears of the resident population and still attracting talented migrants is the key.
If inward migration is such a good idea, why don't the Migrants who flock here go to, well lets say for example, Iraq, Mexico, India, China, Cambodia, South Africa etc? Or maybe North Korea, might be lots of ground-up opertunities there soon !
John

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
If inward migration is such a good idea, why don't the Migrants who flock here go to, well lets say for example, Iraq, Mexico, India, China, Cambodia, South Africa etc? Or maybe North Korea, might be lots of ground-up opertunities there soon !
John

I am a 4th generation immigrant from another European country, my other half is first generation - she has been here 12 years. From our perspective the UK is a land of great opportunity where hard work and effort can be greatly rewarded.
I have nothing but pride for the guts it must have took my ancestors 200 years ago to cross the North Sea in search of a better life and my other half who transported her kids halfway across the world to give herself and her kids a better opportunity.
I realise that it is easy to make generalisations but people forget that to move yourself and your family to another country requires guts and determination and these just happen to be traits of successful people. Most migrants come here to work hard and to better themselves in life and broadly speaking they do that. This benefits our country and has done so since Roman times.
Ask yourself this... If you were long term unemployed getting £50 / week and you heard that the unemployed in Finland were getting £100 / week would you up sticks and move your family to Finland? My guess would be no. If you were a plumber and heard that there was a shortage of plumbers in Finland and you could earn a fortune - would you then go? An ambitious plumber would and a complacent one would not. It is this mentality that generally acts as a natural filter and so benefits the receiving nation.
Is it always going to work and be 100% correct - of course not. There was a great recent study of the Ugandan Asians who arrived in the 1970's and the overall benefit they have now seen to have made to British society.

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot

If inward migration is such a good idea, why don't the Migrants who flock here go to, well lets say for example, Iraq, Mexico, India, China, Cambodia, South Africa etc? Or maybe North Korea, might be lots of ground-up opertunities there soon !
John

I am a 4th generation immigrant from another European country, my other half is first generation - she has been here 12 years. From our perspective the UK is a land of great opportunity where hard work and effort can be greatly rewarded.
I have nothing but pride for the guts it must have took my ancestors 200 years ago to cross the North Sea in search of a better life and my other half who transported her kids halfway across the world to give herself and her kids a better opportunity.
I realise that it is easy to make generalisations but people forget that to move yourself and your family to another country requires guts and determination and these just happen to be traits of successful people. Most migrants come here to work hard and to better themselves in life and broadly speaking they do that. This benefits our country and has done so since Roman times.
Ask yourself this... If you were long term unemployed getting £50 / week and you heard that the unemployed in Finland were getting £100 / week would you up sticks and move your family to Finland? My guess would be no. If you were a plumber and heard that there was a shortage of plumbers in Finland and you could earn a fortune - would you then go? An ambitious plumber would and a complacent one would not. It is this mentality that generally acts as a natural filter and so benefits the receiving nation.
Is it always going to work and be 100% correct - of course not. There was a great recent study of the Ugandan Asians who arrived in the 1970's and the overall benefit they have now seen to have made to British society.
So could you answer the question of why don't the Migrants who come here looking for work go to other Countries where there must also be great oportunities ?
After all you keep saying the rest of the World is full of people who are going to do much better than us, then surely we should see less people coming here, unless of course they are coming here for other reasons, like our healthcare or welfare state ?
John

5 Apr 2013

Quote by Geordiecpl2001

If inward migration is such a good idea, why don't the Migrants who flock here go to, well lets say for example, Iraq, Mexico, India, China, Cambodia, South Africa etc? Or maybe North Korea, might be lots of ground-up opertunities there soon !
John

I am a 4th generation immigrant from another European country, my other half is first generation - she has been here 12 years. From our perspective the UK is a land of great opportunity where hard work and effort can be greatly rewarded.
I have nothing but pride for the guts it must have took my ancestors 200 years ago to cross the North Sea in search of a better life and my other half who transported her kids halfway across the world to give herself and her kids a better opportunity.
I realise that it is easy to make generalisations but people forget that to move yourself and your family to another country requires guts and determination and these just happen to be traits of successful people. Most migrants come here to work hard and to better themselves in life and broadly speaking they do that. This benefits our country and has done so since Roman times.
Ask yourself this... If you were long term unemployed getting £50 / week and you heard that the unemployed in Finland were getting £100 / week would you up sticks and move your family to Finland? My guess would be no. If you were a plumber and heard that there was a shortage of plumbers in Finland and you could earn a fortune - would you then go? An ambitious plumber would and a complacent one would not. It is this mentality that generally acts as a natural filter and so benefits the receiving nation.
Is it always going to work and be 100% correct - of course not. There was a great recent study of the Ugandan Asians who arrived in the 1970's and the overall benefit they have now seen to have made to British society.
So could you answer the question of why don't the Migrants who come here looking for work go to other Countries where there must also be great oportunities ?
After all you keep saying the rest of the World is full of people who are going to do much better than us, then surely we should see less people coming here, unless of course they are coming here for other reasons, like our healthcare or welfare state ?
John
They do go to other countries. Try to think it through as to why you might move countries - what would motivate you? Same reasons apply all round. Healthcare and welfare would not a primary motivator to you I guess and neither is it to most people. If it is a secondary benefit - then yes, maybe it is a consideration.
Ask any legal (or illegal) hispanic in Florida if they went there for the healthcare and welfare benefits... Of course they didn't. They went for opportunity.

9 Apr 2013

Can anyone explain to me what a 'bead line' is please? :lol2:

9 Apr 2013

I really did wonder how long it was going to go before someone asked.

9 Apr 2013

Well, I was going to ask the OP but it seems he is somewhat 'indisposed'...

9 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
Well, I was going to ask the OP but it seems he is somewhat 'indisposed'...

oh...

9 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
Can anyone explain to me what a 'bead line' is please? :lol2:

is there a baguette line in France gnv bolt