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Personaly, I like the idea
Conservative leader David Cameron said in his party conference in October: "Marriage is not just a piece of paper. It pulls couples together through the ebb and flow of life.
"It gives children stability. And it says powerful things about what we should value. So yes, we will recognise marriage in the tax system."
Conservative backbenchers are pressing for their party's election pledge to introduce transferable tax allowances worth up to £150 a year to be implemented during the current parliament.
Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg has said the idea of tax breaks for married couples is wrong, and would not work.
The deputy prime minister told Sky News there were "philosophical differences" with the Lib Dems' coalition partners, the Conservatives, over the issue.
He said there was a limit on what the state "should seek to do in organising people's private relationships".

I'm not so much in agreement with tax breaks for married couples as opposed to benefits that encourage couples to live apart ( or at least claim to).
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I'm not so much in agreement with tax breaks for married couples as opposed to benefits that encourage couples to live apart ( or at least claim to).

Very valid points that I whole hartedly agree with
I am opposed to the state trying to impose it's moral values upon anyone
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I am opposed to the state trying to impose it's moral values upon anyone

I like moral values
I love my own I REALLY dont like any bugger trying to make me adopt theirs.
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I love my own I REALLY dont like any bugger trying to make me adopt theirs.

Agreed Ben, but when some one agrees with my values, and wishes to reward me for them, who am I to argue dunno
ok thats cool but what's in it for me, I have been married about 37 years but have not seen the missus for around 20 years and of course live with Sasha, do I still get the benefits for being married lol
Completely outdated thinking showing how out of touch the Torys are. Money would be better spent doing proper checks on those that claim to live alone when they are in fact living with a working partner but still claiming housing bennefit etc etc etc.
It seems unfair to those of us who would love to be married to the person they live with but sadly cant be because of the way divorce laws work !
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I am opposed to the state trying to impose it's moral values upon anyone

Until the State is separated from the Church, as it is in France, the Church will continue to have an ability to impose its moral values.
How does a transferable tax allowances worth up to £150 a year pull couples together through the ebb and flow of life ?
dunno
Either a Marriage works or it doesn't, and to be honest if it doesn't then don't think a Tax Allowance of £150 is actually going to make any difference in the relationship.
It's worth remembering that it was former Tory chancellor Kenneth Clarke, who set in train the abolition of the married couple's tax allowance in the first place.
For once Nick Clegg made a sensible comment, that children "thrived best when they see their parents happy together", whether they were married or not.
By the way, since the 'State' now recognises Civil Partnerships does this provide more or less child stability ?
Similarly, would those in Civil Partnerships also benefit from these proposed transferable tax allowances ?
From reading the announcement and the Manifesto Pledge, this wouldn't appear to be so.
However from reading the current , Civil partners must be treated the same as married couples on a wide range of legal matters, including Tax, employment benefits, ncome-related benefits, tax credits and child support, their duty to provide reasonable maintenance for their civil partner and any children of the family, ability to apply for parental responsibility for their civil partner's child, etc.
Similarly this announcement doesn't reference the over four million couples living together in England and Wales in cohabitation, where they and their families have significantly fewer rights and responsibilities than people who are married or who have formed a civil partnership.
If the aim really is to provide children stability and pull couples together through the ebb and flow of life, then surely they would of been mentioned rather than it just being a Married Couples 'tax break'
I believe Marriage does work. Marriage, in one form or another predates recorded history. It has taken place in one form or another for many thousands of years. So if it did not work, or was out dated as many suggest it woulds have died out a long time ago. This suggests to me, that it is as relevant today as it always has been.
I do not think it has to be anything connected to religion, as no one has to go to Church to get married if they do not wish to.
Married parents are ten times more likely to stay together than cohabiting couples with children, according to research.
The study also showed cohabiting has become a less stable form of relationship compared with 18 years ago, with couples more likely to separate.
Figures show that in 1992, 70 per cent of couples who had children after they were married stayed together until their child's 16th birthday.
This increased to 75 per cent in 2006, showing that marriage has become a more stable family background for youngsters.
However, only 36 per cent of cohabiting parents stayed together until their son or daughter reached 16 in 1992. By 2006, just 7 per cent of couples who were unmarried when their child was born were still cohabiting by their 16th birthday.

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Completely outdated thinking showing how out of touch the Torys are. Money would be better spent doing proper checks on those that claim to live alone when they are in fact living with a working partner but still claiming housing bennefit etc etc etc.

i think millions are alredy being spent on doing this very thing.:thumbup:
the money has to be spread around and not just poured into one thing. i would imagine the government spend millions on catching peeple out and i beleeve that similar amounts could be spent on helping married peeple. the family unit is an important part of our society and marriage is as bluefish has said a very old institution that is getting even more popular according to reserch i read a while back.
insted of giving money away to needless things, rewarding married couples as they used to seems a good idea to me.
there you go a very good example :thumbup:
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Completely outdated thinking showing how out of touch the Torys are. Money would be better spent doing proper checks on those that claim to live alone when they are in fact living with a working partner but still claiming housing bennefit etc etc etc.

i think millions are alredy being spent on doing this very thing.:thumbup:
the money has to be spread around and not just poured into one thing. i would imagine the government spend millions on catching peeple out and i beleeve that similar amounts could be spent on helping married peeple. the family unit is an important part of our society and marriage is as bluefish has said a very old institution that is getting even more popular according to reserch i read a while back.
insted of giving money away to needless things, rewarding married couples as they used to seems a good idea to me.
there you go a very good example :thumbup:

Not enough being done from where I sit. I know plenty of people whio claim illegally but they dont get checked upon unless they get snitched on. Wasent that a labour introduction by the way? My Mum worked in the employment service the fraud officers had in general had a bad reputation as being lazy, cup of tea job it was reffered too. Not as though most of the people are hard to catch either TBH most of them dont hide anything at all.
I dont believe people should get married to get a tax break but they will. Therefore Tax bennefits for the married should not be the case.
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I read the article, I read the "report". I have rarely read such ill founded nonsense in my entire life and I have read political party manifestos.
I did some proper academic research and can find no evidence that marriage makes people stay together longer.
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I read the article, I read the "report". I have rarely read such ill founded nonsense in my entire life and I have read political party manifestos.
I did some proper academic research and can find no evidence that marriage makes people stay together longer.
Marriage more stable than living together, Office for National Statistics finds
Married couples are less likely to split up than those who live together, according to the Office for National Statistics.
dunno
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Completely outdated thinking showing how out of touch the Torys are. Money would be better spent doing proper checks on those that claim to live alone when they are in fact living with a working partner but still claiming housing bennefit etc etc etc.

i think millions are alredy being spent on doing this very thing.:thumbup:
the money has to be spread around and not just poured into one thing. i would imagine the government spend millions on catching peeple out and i beleeve that similar amounts could be spent on helping married peeple. the family unit is an important part of our society and marriage is as bluefish has said a very old institution that is getting even more popular according to reserch i read a while back.
insted of giving money away to needless things, rewarding married couples as they used to seems a good idea to me.
there you go a very good example :thumbup:

Not enough being done from where I sit. I know plenty of people whio claim illegally but they dont get checked upon unless they get snitched on. Wasent that a labour introduction by the way? My Mum worked in the employment service the fraud officers had in general had a bad reputation as being lazy, cup of tea job it was reffered too. Not as though most of the people are hard to catch either TBH most of them dont hide anything at all.
I dont believe people should get married to get a tax break but they will. Therefore Tax bennefits for the married should not be the case.
Do you really believe that couples will suddenly rush out to get married to claim their £150 per a year tax break? I can not imagine it ever entering into the thoughts of those who are contemplating marriage
That doesnt support the theory either.
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That doesnt support the theory either.

OK, this bit supports my theory though
Office for National Statistics finds Married couples are less likely to split up than those who live together.
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I did some proper academic research and can find no evidence that marriage makes people stay together longer.

but would you not agree that peeple would be more likely to try and save a marriage, than a relationship?
surely if there is no differance between the two why did you and your new wife decide to marry? why not just stay as live in partners?
marriage is a good long proven meens for in my opinion for peeple to try harder to keep a marriage going.
why marry otherwise?
because of the tax breaks bolt
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I know plenty of people whio claim illegally but they dont get checked upon unless they get snitched on.

well seeing as you think not enough is being done to prevent this, maybe you should make a start by snitching on these peeple that you know?
it would after all be the decent moral thing to do surely, seeing as you think not enough is being done?
make a start eh dunno
Its all just Bullshit for votes. Makes the Torys look good to the traditionalists who support marriage and maybe secures a few votes. Gives just under 15 quid a month to married couples ok but its not exactly whoopedoo is it. In the mean time it costs the treasury a shit load. Will this be means tested? Or are we going to again start giving 15 quid to everyone? Actually just stopped typing and went to read up on it lol Up to 44k can get it Pffffffffff no no no no. At 44k you dont need 15 quid a month to go with the 40 quid a week tax credits you may be getting. What a waste of treasurey money. Wonder where this is where the money they are going to save on Tax credits is going? Round in bloody circles.
Blue its quite probable that many married couples stay together is total unhappiness due to the extra ties of marrige or the extra cost and complication of divorce.
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Its all just Bullshit for votes. Makes the Torys look good to the traditionalists who support marriage and maybe secures a few votes. Gives just under 15 quid a month to married couples ok but its not exactly whoopedoo is it. In the mean time it costs the treasury a shit load. Will this be means tested? Or are we going to again start giving 15 quid to everyone? Actually just stopped typing and went to read up on it lol Up to 44k can get it Pffffffffff no no no no. At 44k you dont need 15 quid a month to go with the 40 quid a week tax credits you may be getting. What a waste of treasurey money. Wonder where this is where the money they are going to save on Tax credits is going? Round in bloody circles.
Blue its quite probable that many married couples stay together is total unhappiness due to the extra ties of marrige or the extra cost and complication of divorce.

Presumption, the mother of all feck-ups :lol:
It is probable that it is the opposite, because of the commitment, they think it over longer and more carefully before committing
Firstly....seems easy to find this £150 per married couple a year. Not sure how many married couples there are...but guessing a fair few !! ....yet we are told we have no money and we need to cut in every department ????
Fact is people won't even notice £150 a year... a week !! It won't make more people get married. It won't make more couples stay together. It won't stop people getting divorced. Another gimmick to try and deflect from other bad news.
If we have money spare lets do something to stimulate the economy. Build a new school...build anew hospital...build a new sprts centre....anything that actually gets people working.......and hey ho...we get some money back then as well in tax !!!
We got married for our own reasons, which we took the opportunity to share with loved ones on the day.
It never entered my head that it would make our relationship more stable or last longer. I cannot begin to understand why it would do so.
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Its all just Bullshit for votes. Makes the Torys look good to the traditionalists who support marriage and maybe secures a few votes. Gives just under 15 quid a month to married couples ok but its not exactly whoopedoo is it. In the mean time it costs the treasury a shit load. Will this be means tested? Or are we going to again start giving 15 quid to everyone? Actually just stopped typing and went to read up on it lol Up to 44k can get it Pffffffffff no no no no. At 44k you dont need 15 quid a month to go with the 40 quid a week tax credits you may be getting. What a waste of treasurey money. Wonder where this is where the money they are going to save on Tax credits is going? Round in bloody circles.
Blue its quite probable that many married couples stay together is total unhappiness due to the extra ties of marrige or the extra cost and complication of divorce.

dont kick a gift horse in the mouth.
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I cannot begin to understand why it would do so.

what about the vows peeple take or the giving of rings? it has a huge significance as i am sure you are aware, otherwise why get married?
why give rings? why make vows? staying as partners you would do none of those things, but getting married is something different. commitment in the eyes of others and many more reesons.
if it meant nothing peeple would not do it, would they?
" Preserving the Sanctity of Marriage " :thumbup:
I didn't say it means nothing I simply refuted the the assertion that marriage leads to a relationship lasting longer or is "better for the children". Which is bollocks and stems from the need for some to impose their own values on others.
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I cannot begin to understand why it would do so.

what about the vows peeple take or the giving of rings? it has a huge significance as i am sure you are aware, otherwise why get married?
why give rings? why make vows? staying as partners you would do none of those things, but getting married is something different. commitment in the eyes of others and many more reesons.
if it meant nothing peeple would not do it, would they?
" Preserving the Sanctity of Marriage " :thumbup: