New rules

25 Mar 2013

Quote by deancannock
just an idea.....
but what about no matter what country you no reside in....if claiming benifiets, you only get what your country of Birth would have paid out.
This would mean people would not want to travel to a country where their benifiet allowance would not really sustain them......but they might be willing to travel there if honestly looking for work !!!

That is never going to happen Dean under EU law, that we are still in. For that to happen we would either have to renegotiate UK laws or vote UKIP and get out of Europe altogether.

25 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
just an idea.....
but what about no matter what country you no reside in....if claiming benifiets, you only get what your country of Birth would have paid out.
This would mean people would not want to travel to a country where their benifiet allowance would not really sustain them......but they might be willing to travel there if honestly looking for work !!!

now that sounds like a dammed good idea dean :thumbup:
could i bagsie first place in the maldives bolt

I have said that over and over in this thread and others but nobody seemed to think it was a good idea, at least nobody said it was ! or was it cos I said it wink

nope i read the whole thread mids you dont mention the maldives once
so piss off and find your own paradise on benifits flipa

25 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
just an idea.....
but what about no matter what country you no reside in....if claiming benifiets, you only get what your country of Birth would have paid out.
This would mean people would not want to travel to a country where their benifiet allowance would not really sustain them......but they might be willing to travel there if honestly looking for work !!!

That is never going to happen Dean under EU law, that we are still in. For that to happen we would either have to renegotiate UK laws or vote UKIP and get out of Europe altogether.
I said that as well, that we had to get the EU to change the rules dunno

starting to understand the forum rules now :uhoh:

25 Mar 2013

You can have the Maldives I am going to Jamaica wave

no social security benefits but I will just smoke :smoke: and nottins gonna matter man

25 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
just an idea.....
but what about no matter what country you no reside in....if claiming benifiets, you only get what your country of Birth would have paid out.
This would mean people would not want to travel to a country where their benifiet allowance would not really sustain them......but they might be willing to travel there if honestly looking for work !!!

starting to understand the forum rules now :uhoh:
To stop Jed from moaning that everyone is picking on him (again) lets look at a few facts here.
There is no need for the EU to change it's , it is our society and welfare state that is too blame.
the vast majority of EU countries do not pay child benefit for offspring living outside their territory. The only ones that do, are the Czech Republic, Germany, Ireland, Latvia, the Netherlands and, of course, us.
How can this be so? Surely if the EU’s social security rules are supposed to be harmonised they must apply equally in every country? The regulations are extremely complex, but the reason that benefits are paid on a different basis across the EU depends on whether entitlement is based on residency or employment. If the former, then payments are made only to families actually living in the country; if the latter, then they can be made overseas.
We fall into the latter category and now support nearly 50,000 children resident abroad at a cost of around £50 million a year in benefit and child credit. This from a total welfare state bill of £215 billion for the year to 31 Dec 2012.
Because our own laws stipulate that benefits are based on employment (or lack of it) we are responsible for picking up the bill. If our laws were based on residency in the UK then the benefits could not be paid for children who are not in this country. Therefore the EU regulation is not essentially at fault here, just the way our legal system interprets it.

25 Mar 2013

Greetings from the home of the free and the land of the brave. Rather foolishly I logged on to the hotel wifi and decided to take a peek in here. Surprise, surprise - the usual suspects still in fear of the bogeyman.
I watched an American news take on this whole issue in Atlanta airport this morning and quite accurately they reflected that the UK has a bloated and generous welfare system that encourages idleness and complacency and ... Surprise, surprise... They see the irony that most Brits don't. This is not about immigrants it is about a welfare system unfit for purpose and an indigenous population hanging on to Mummy State like a lost teenager making up stories about the bogey man.
Americans, like the rest of the world understand that if you are positive, motivated and hard working - you get the life you deserve. What does that say about moaning Brits?
I am signing off for a few days as I need to stay positive which is sometimes difficult when reading these forums.
By the way Star and anyone else feeling that the world is monstrously unfair - I would highly recommend an NLP course. It will change your life.

25 Mar 2013

And the USA is the perfect example of how things should be isn't it, they really know the answer to all the problems, funny though, they have a massive drug problem, poverty is rife in some areas, their idle unemployed live in trailers, they are totally racist, obesity problems, alcohol abuse problems, they are struggling financially and they cant even decide which laws are sensible so they have different rules and laws in each state, if your going to tell us about a nation who get things right or better go visit Switzerland. The USA is no different to the rest of the world and the United Kingdom.

26 Mar 2013

Just seen Cameron on the news, so, he is stopping job seekers allowance after 6 months and you have to be in the UK 2 years before you can apply for a council house.
BIG DEAL
First he cannot stop job seekers allowance for EU state migrants unless he stops it for UK Citizens, thats against EU rules.
Second as I said earlier, it is cheaper to give migrants council housing, because if you don't they rent from private landlords which is much more expensive and if they are not working or only getting a low wage they are (again under EU rules) entitled to housing benefit to pay the rent.
The PM is either totally stupid or just electioneering, but if he thinks that people wont see through it then he is totally stupid, I guess that makes him totally stupid.
Now if he had said he was going to get the EU rules changed to say that immigrants would only get the same benefits they would get in the country of origin we would have the immigration problem solved.
Then only migrants intending to work would come from the EU.
As for those coming from non-EU states we can turn them away if we want to anyway, we can refuse to pay them job seekers allowance and housing benefit anytime we want, we can say yes come here IF you have a job offer and can pay your own housing cost, IF you can prove that you can take care of yourself financially, just like other countries do

26 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
The PM is either totally stupid or just electioneering, but if he thinks that people wont see through it then he is totally stupid, I guess that makes him totally stupid.
Now if he had said he was going to get the EU rules changed to say that immigrants would only get the same benefits they would get in the country of origin we would have the immigration problem solved.

I agree, there is a high level of stupidity when it comes to this issue.
Now if you read my previous post you will see why you are barking up the wrong tree.

26 Mar 2013

Don't care, stand by what I said, the EU is making us pay the benefit based on our laws, I still say we should be able to choose wether we give benefits to everyone or just UK residents, we should tell the EU we want to keep our laws but we will not pay it to children not living in this country just the same as we should tell the EU to stuff a lot of their rules like what shape a banana should be. Why should we have to live under EU rule when the EU are only interested in power, the common european market is a joke, as I said earlier, what did Cyprus have to bring to the market, how much could we improve trade to and from them by having them as members, what we got was billions of pounds in bail out bills. The same applies to many states in the EU and mnay states that will be joining.
The EU does not do what it was supposed to do with the exception of allowing freedom of movement, it has not created the great trading market we thought it would when we joined. The amount of countries (once stable countries) going bankrupt is testament to that.
All you have said is why we have to pay it, we still have to pay it nothing has changed. Chances are if we changed our law without approval of the EU someone would take us to the european courts and have the decsision overturned anyway. We no longer control what laws we have, we are just an EU state.

26 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
And the USA is the perfect example of how things should be isn't it, they really know the answer to all the problems, funny though, they have a massive drug problem, poverty is rife in some areas, their idle unemployed live in trailers, they are totally racist, obesity problems, alcohol abuse problems, they are struggling financially and they cant even decide which laws are sensible so they have different rules and laws in each state, if your going to tell us about a nation who get things right or better go visit Switzerland. The USA is no different to the rest of the world and the United Kingdom.

Oh how true Mids. Don't forget the guns and how the great America dumped on New Orleans after their Hurricane out there. How people still in that State are homeless after how many years? If America is so damn good, why don't people piss off there? Most of it is a shit hole anyway.
I woke up this morning Mids overlooking the sea from my villa in Barbados, and logged onto to the wi-fi and saw the usual suspects harping on about the useless lazy scrounging Brits............ You do see where I am coming from with this Mids?? lol

As a clue.........never ever believe all you read.

26 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Just seen Cameron on the news, so, he is stopping job seekers allowance after 6 months and you have to be in the UK 2 years before you can apply for a council house.
BIG DEAL
First he cannot stop job seekers allowance for EU state migrants unless he stops it for UK Citizens, thats against EU rules.
Second as I said earlier, it is cheaper to give migrants council housing, because if you don't they rent from private landlords which is much more expensive and if they are not working or only getting a low wage they are (again under EU rules) entitled to housing benefit to pay the rent.
The PM is either totally stupid or just electioneering, but if he thinks that people wont see through it then he is totally stupid, I guess that makes him totally stupid.
Now if he had said he was going to get the EU rules changed to say that immigrants would only get the same benefits they would get in the country of origin we would have the immigration problem solved.
Then only migrants intending to work would come from the EU.
As for those coming from non-EU states we can turn them away if we want to anyway, we can refuse to pay them job seekers allowance and housing benefit anytime we want, we can say yes come here IF you have a job offer and can pay your own housing cost, IF you can prove that you can take care of yourself financially, just like other countries do

Yes Mids you are correct. On Sky news yesterday there was an expert picking the bones out of Cameron's " new " proposals. They are not new at all, just glossed over the ones that already exist but are rarely used. Cameron is certainly not stupid Mids but obviously thinks the rest of us are.
He cannot do any of this without it becoming a Human rights issue. This is nothing more Mids than trying every dirty trick in the book, to try and stem UKIP's votes. It seems that the three parties will do anything to scare people off from voting for UKIP. Blimey I have seen members on here doing exactly the same thing. UKIP at the next election will certainly not get a majority to form a Government, but what they could very well have is enough of the vote to stop Cameron or Milliband from getting that overall majority. Power sharing with a Labour Government is a distinct possibility Mids, and Cameron knows it.
He has re nagged on virtually everything he stated in his interviews with Talk Sport radio BEFORE he became PM, no suprise there then. Lies and more lies and more deceit, from Eton educated toffs who are really starting to get on a lot of people's tits. As I have said in another thread Mids............never ever believe what you read, or in the case of Cameron what he says.

26 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
what did Cyprus have to bring to the market, how much could we improve trade to and from them by having them as members, what we got was billions of pounds in bail out bills. The same applies to many states in the EU and mnay states that will be joining.
The EU does not do what it was supposed to do with the exception of allowing freedom of movement, it has not created the great trading market we thought it would when we joined. The amount of countries (once stable countries) going bankrupt is testament to that.
All you have said is why we have to pay it, we still have to pay it nothing has changed. Chances are if we changed our law without approval of the EU someone would take us to the european courts and have the decsision overturned anyway. We no longer control what laws we have, we are just an EU state.

26 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
what did Cyprus have to bring to the market, how much could we improve trade to and from them by having them as members, what we got was billions of pounds in bail out bills. The same applies to many states in the EU and mnay states that will be joining.
The EU does not do what it was supposed to do with the exception of allowing freedom of movement, it has not created the great trading market we thought it would when we joined. The amount of countries (once stable countries) going bankrupt is testament to that.
All you have said is why we have to pay it, we still have to pay it nothing has changed. Chances are if we changed our law without approval of the EU someone would take us to the european courts and have the decsision overturned anyway. We no longer control what laws we have, we are just an EU state.

Cyprus is totally different to everything that has gone before. Cyprus was laundering money for the Russians. Some of it legit some of it not.
There is loads of money within the UK to get us out of the current financial difficulty which we appear to be having. £790 billion in fact is tied up in companies bank accounts, this needs re-investing instead of sitting there so a government with a long term vision needs to set about creating investment tax relief.
The tax system needs a complete overhaul for the low paid, when they can do a 40 hour week and take home less than if they stayed on JSA and got all the allowances coming to them. what incentive does that give them to get off the dole? its not feckless or lazy, the system is just bust!
There hasn't been a better time for people with a lot of money to invest in the UK, or so I believe, other Countries are looking far less stable, Turkey Greece etc whilst here in the UK, as you say, we are riding the storm well, sure we are losing some businesses and that's a shame, some people are really feeling the pinch and that is a shame too but all in all compared with other areas for people to invest we look good, we can even supply a workforce because not only do we have a lot of unemployed Brits but we have proved that other EU state subjects are happy to come here and join our workforce.
Would be investors will probably be looking at the risk of keeping funds in banks, we have had problems with ours, so have the USA and now Cyprus, countries can go bankrupt or fnancially unstable, that cannot be denied.
But yes they do need incentives to make them want spend and invest, tax benefits could be one way, another could be my suggestion to remove the VAT from products made in the UK, this increases our export abilities, creates jobs and makes us far more price competative with the rest of the world. It would also encourage more overseas investors to build their factories and depots in the UK instead of elsewhere in Europe. It shouldn't even cost the Government a penny because the loss in VAT tax revenue should be made up the decrease in benefits being paid to jobseekers.
I also agree that many of our would be workforce are not lazy, they simply do not have the incentive to work, many can get more in benefits than they can earn at work, job seekers allowance, housing benefit, council taxes paid and other benefits mean that with the cost of going out to work, transport and the rest it is difficult to find a job that pays better.
We need to lower the amount paid in benefits but only if we can create jobs for those that would need them.
The truth is that benefits should be enough to keep a roof over your head with heat and light, food on your plates and clothes on your back. Ciggarettes, alchol, holidays, SKY tv and a car are luxuries the job seekers should not be able to afford on benefits, it is harsh but it is necessary if we are to survive recession and avoid more and worse.
Perhaps we need to look at a voucher system instead of hard cash, vouchers accepted by shops for specific goods, vouchers accepted by electricity and gas suppliers, vouchers for Landlords redeemable at the Council so that checks can be made on who are the bonafide landlords and who are the fraudsters.
Not a popular move and pretty harsh, but totally necessary if we are to stop the cheats and make sure the money is getting to the right people. Everyone should have a passport issued free for those on benefits and produced alongside the vouchers and the vouchers recorded against the persons name and National Insurance number, every employer must register every employee through their passport number and National Insurance number no matter how little they are paid.
Only by instigating somewhat draconian rules will we solve the problems we have.
This is the only way we will get some of the unemployed to become job seekers alongside the genuine job seekers who are temporarily unemployed.
We create jobs, we incentivise people to want to work and we make sure the genuine cases get what they need to live on.
But one thing I am unsure about what you say is the statement that Cyprus is money laundering for the Russians, is there proof of that, there could be I am asking because I genuinely do not know, many Russians got rich quick when the Soviet Union broke up, many moved abroad to reap the benefits of their new found wealth, of course much of it was gained with a lot of, to say the least, dodgy dealings within the former USSR, but as far as I am aware it is only the Russians who want to do anything about it, the rest of the world just want those who have it to spend it in their Countries/States.
Yes there are a lot of Russians in Cyprus enjoying the lifestyle their wealth brings them but that doesn't mean they need to launder money just spend it, we all know where it came from.

26 Mar 2013

Its been widely reported in the broadsheets and most of the high brow news reports Mids. They have been interviewing russian oligarchs and their opinion of the 10% one off levy was "a cheap price to pay for what has been gained through cypriot banks"
Russia was looking at stepping in at one point but that would mean tying themselves up in a dodgy currency that is the euro.
BTW Turkey is still forging ahead, I am in Antalya at present. The amount of building work here is tremendous. they accept Euro/Lire/sterling at any shop and will quote you in any currency...try that with morrisons!

26 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
There is loads of money within the UK to get us out of the current financial difficulty which we appear to be having. £790 billion in fact is tied up in companies bank accounts, this needs re-investing instead of sitting there so a government with a long term vision needs to set about creating investment tax relief.

Not sure I agree with that take. Can you explain this more.

Quote by Rogue_Trader
The tax system needs a complete overhaul for the low paid, when they can do a 40 hour week and take home less than if they stayed on JSA and got all the allowances coming to them. what incentive does that give them to get off the dole? its not feckless or lazy, the system is just bust!

It has been overhauled recently in the budget where the first ten thousand pounds is not taxable. I think it should be twelve thousand before tax, but at least it is a step in the right direction.

26 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

There is loads of money within the UK to get us out of the current financial difficulty which we appear to be having. £790 billion in fact is tied up in companies bank accounts, this needs re-investing instead of sitting there so a government with a long term vision needs to set about creating investment tax relief.

Not sure I agree with that take. Can you explain this more.

Quote by Rogue_Trader
The tax system needs a complete overhaul for the low paid, when they can do a 40 hour week and take home less than if they stayed on JSA and got all the allowances coming to them. what incentive does that give them to get off the dole? its not feckless or lazy, the system is just bust!

It has been overhauled recently in the budget where the first ten thousand pounds is not taxable. I think it should be twelve thousand before tax, but at least it is a step in the right direction.
Star that isnt an overhaul thats tinkering at the edges.
regarding the cash rich of companies, which you dispute,

in the UK the FTSE100 are holding £750b, according to Ernst & Young’s Item Club, and US corporates hold more than US$2 .

Source:
this is 3 times higher than 10 years ago. Unless companies plough that money back in to the investment market then stagnation happens and there is no growth, therefore a recession.

26 Mar 2013

answer re laundering accepted lol

26 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Don't care, stand by what I said, the EU is making us pay the benefit based on our laws, I still say we should be able to choose wether we give benefits to everyone or just UK residents, we should tell the EU we want to keep our laws but we will not pay it to children not living in this country

You just don't seem to understand that we already are able to choose who we pay benefits to. It is our law, enacted by our parliament that has chosen to pay for children not resident in the UK. If we changed our law then the Regulation would still make us pay child benefit to non native children from the EU, but only the ones that live here.

Quote by MidsCouple24
All you have said is why we have to pay it, we still have to pay it nothing has changed

I never claimed anything would change did I? I've just tried to point out that we pay child benefit to children outside the UK because of our rules not the rules of the EU. If the EU regulation was at fault then every country in the EU would have to do the same, not just five of them.

26 Mar 2013

I don't disbelieve you your probably right, it is just that I saw an MP (in charge of stuff like that) some years ago on TV fending off people saying it was wrong and she said we had no choice it was an EU law/rule that said we had to pay it, she never said we could change our own laws/rules to sort the problem out and all those years ago too, time we did something positive then and changed it. 50,000 kids on an average of £15 per child per week, 4 Billion a year saving to be made without upsetting a single UK citizen

26 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader

There is loads of money within the UK to get us out of the current financial difficulty which we appear to be having. £790 billion in fact is tied up in companies bank accounts, this needs re-investing instead of sitting there so a government with a long term vision needs to set about creating investment tax relief.

Not sure I agree with that take. Can you explain this more.

Quote by Rogue_Trader
The tax system needs a complete overhaul for the low paid, when they can do a 40 hour week and take home less than if they stayed on JSA and got all the allowances coming to them. what incentive does that give them to get off the dole? its not feckless or lazy, the system is just bust!

in the UK the FTSE100 are holding £750b, according to Ernst & Young’s Item Club, and US corporates hold more than US$2 .

Source:
this is 3 times higher than 10 years ago. Unless companies plough that money back in to the investment market then stagnation happens and there is no growth, therefore a recession.
I was not disputing anything Rogue I was asking a genuine question. So you are looking at the Government taking money that is in company accounts without their say so? If that is how I read it what about all the money sitting in individuals bank accounts that have laid dormonet for over 5 years? Take that as well? Why not just do a Cyprus and nick a percentage of people's savings whilst we are at it?

26 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
I was not disputing anything Rogue I was asking a genuine question. So you are looking at the Government taking money that is in company accounts without their say so? If that is how I read it what about all the money sitting in individuals bank accounts that have laid dormonet for over 5 years? Take that as well? Why not just do a Cyprus and nick a percentage of people's savings whilst we are at it?

No not at all, I am not suggesting that the government touch anyones money.
Companies earn money, usually a profit, if its a loss then after a certain amount of time it usually follows a company goes into liquidation. But lets get back to our profitable company, once the profits are high enough then to cause further growth within that company they invest it in assets, resources, better machinery, staff training etc. to become more productive and thereby more profit and more investment. Its a positive cycle for employee and company.
At present companies are making profits and just keeping them in their bank accounts. They are refusing to invest as they say the returns are not sufficient to consider doing this. So a sweetener is required. In my latest missive to the exchequer I have suggested that tax relief for British Companies be afforded via training for the new Nuclear Power Stations and thereby creating engineers here instead of bringing in from abroad.

26 Mar 2013

To little, to late.
He can introduce as many new rules as he want's, but if they are not enforced.........

26 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
I don't disbelieve you your probably right, it is just that I saw an MP (in charge of stuff like that) some years ago on TV fending off people saying it was wrong and she said we had no choice it was an EU law/rule that said we had to pay it, she never said we could change our own laws/rules to sort the problem out and all those years ago too, time we did something positive then and changed it. 50,000 kids on an average of £15 per child per week, 4 Billion a year saving to be made without upsetting a single UK citizen

I'm not sure where you get the figure of £4 billion per year in child benefit being paid for children that aren't resident in the UK. The actual figure is around £45-50 million. Considerably less.

26 Mar 2013

I am no good with that many zeros, my first calculation, based on the Government figures of 50,0000 kids in Poland and other EU states at an average £15 per week each (top rate £20 bottom rate £13) multiplied by 52 weeks makes 39,000,000 and now I write it like that with the commas in it does make sense with your figures lol

the online calculator doesn't do commas lol, I first wrote it as £4 million then edited it to 4 Billion, which is why I am not the Chancellor, I would't be able to fiddle my expenses as good wink

still £4 million a year without upsetting UK taxpaying citizens isn't a bad saving is it.

26 Mar 2013

Any saving is not to be sniffed at.

24 Mar 2014

Quote by starlightcouple
Well after all the years and years of dithering over immigration it seems that David Cameron is at last doing something constructive, probably in view of the unknown numbers about to enter the UK later this year from Bulgaria and Romania.

I was always under the impression from many sources that immigrants did not jump the queues with regards to housing, so if that was the case why make these new rules on housing?
A senior source said: ‘The PM wants the immigration system to back people who work hard and do the right thing. He is determined to bring an end to the situation where people can come to the UK and get benefits and public services without putting anything in.
But once again the last Labour Government stated this was not happening either. So which one is it? Were immigrants allowed to come here and jump the housing ladder over people that had been on the waiting list for sometimes years? Were immigrants allowed to come here illegally or legally and claim benefits from day one or not? I am at a loss here as to what to believe. These new measures in my view are being brought in to try and stop the tide of new immigrants that look like are going to swamp the UK later this year. There are not the houses to house them, or the jobs available.
Is this a case of the Government running scared of the possible influx about to arrive, or is this something that is being done to simply curb immigrants from entering the UK and making this country less attractive to others?
Reading between the lines Cameron is petrified of the possible influx, and people coming here simply to get free benefits and free housing and free NHS treatment, without putting nothing into the system. Is this racist from Cameron? If so why is it, and if it is not, why is it not? I certainly will be intrigued to hear certain members on here who must think this is a racist move by Cameron.........surely?

Because the topic is still errrrr topical, an update is in order.
Mike Sergeant "respected" BBC correspondent (as he and the BBC like to call him) paints a very rosy picture for the UK and the Romanian immigration into the UK situation.
Believe him and the only ones coming here are either highly qualified people who are finding jobs easily or those that should be pitied because they are living in squalor.
quote
It is nearly three months since restrictions were eased on Romanian and Bulgarian migrants. So, how many have actually come?
The first official statistics will not be available until May but anecdotal reports from councils and community leaders suggest there has not so far been a big influx.
Nicolae Ratiu, who heads a foundation supporting the Romanian community, says: "There has not been a massive wave. A lot of the people who wanted to be here were already here.
"Now they are registering for work and that is entirely legal."
Many low skilled Romanians head straight for Cricklewood in north-west London, where there is an established population.
Destitution
But some arrive with no money and nowhere to stay. Homelessness has been a stubborn problem.
At dawn I joined police and outreach workers looking for some of the migrants who have disappeared into London's underworld. At the Brent Cross flyover in north London we were taken to some disused maintenance sheds.
Inside there was a shocking picture of destitution. The migrants had just slipped away. But the stench of dirty sheets and rotting rubbish was overpowering.
Police who had been there before said that on their previous visit rats were running freely over the sleeping areas. There certainly appeared to be signs of rodent infestation under one of the mattresses.
How desperate would you have to be to think this filthy squat was your best option?
Stefan Lazar knows the answer better than most. He was sleeping in a garage until recently.
But he has now found a more secure shelter. With some help, he has also obtained the most vital thing of all - a national insurance number to work legally.
Moise Lapadat Moise Lapadat has been sleeping on the streets
"For me, England is very beautiful," he told me. "For me I don't have another chance. This is my chance."
But Moise Lapadat, another man who has been sleeping rough, has already had enough.
"I wouldn't encourage others to come," he said.
"It could be beautiful here. But if you've got nowhere to sleep and no work, it's no good."
Pride
Homeless Romanians come to a community project called Ashford Place in Cricklewood. They are given shelter, food, and help registering with a GP and finding work.
Those running the centre say there has not been a sudden new surge of migrants since January. And they strongly reject the idea that Romanians have come to live on welfare.
"If nothing else it's about pride," said Lucien Lawrence, an outreach worker.
"These people aren't content to come over and exist on benefits. I've never met a group of people more offended by the idea of benefits."
Violeta Patrascu Violeta Patrascu feels her future is bright
Some Romanians have had success in the UK already this year. Community leaders say many doctors, nurses and IT workers have arrived and found jobs quickly.
Romanian building and construction businesses are already well established in London.
Violeta Patrascu is one of the highly educated and qualified migrants. Last week she was delivering pizza. Then she landed a job as a driving instructor.
The next step, she hopes, is to set up her own business as a lifestyle coach and motivational speaker.
"I find more opportunities here for my development, and for my family's development," she said.
"That's why I came to London. I came to work."
But community leaders accept that homelessness and the perception of criminality affected the impression many have of Romanians in the UK.
They say there is more to be done to convince the public, the media and some politicians that new migrants are here to make a positive contribution.
Yet last week a report in the local Stoke on Trent press reported a slightly different picture, revealing that there were at least 15 Romanian women working from 2 brothels here in the City, with their "Romanian minders" and constantly changing locations they were offering clients bareback sexual services, something that most British Escorts will not offer. I think if that there are that many working in a small City like Stoke on Trent, what must the situation be like in the larger Cities like London, Manchester, Liverpool, Aberdeen (oil workers makes it apparently good business for sex workers such as escorts, brothel workers, lap dancers etc).
The unbiased BBC seem to be very bias with this report.
Now don't get me wrong, I have always supported controlled immigration and have worked abroad as a Migrant worker myself for years, I believe this Country would be little better off than Africa had it not been for the influence of immigrants over the centuries and that we should be actively promoting people to migrate here now if they have the skills we are short of and the means to look after themselves until they start to get a regular salary. we should be looking for them, recruiting them and help place them in jobs and accommodation (but not pay for it).

14 Jul 2014

Anyone watching Channel 5 "Benefits Britain" must be feeling a little sick right now,
Romanian Gypsies boasting how they have come to Britain to get £40,000 from the benefit system to pay for his home in Romania.
Others boasting at getting £500 per WEEK in benefits, 26 living in one house (maybe more the occupants are not actually sure how many live there) all claiming benefits.
Organisations set up to help them claim the maximum in benefits and showing them how to circumnavigate the rules such as spending a day driving round collecting scrap metal from the streets so they can get a National Insurance number and claim more benefits.
Many of them admit to using crime to supplement their benefits.
Thousands of them in one town, many more spread around the UK.
These people by their own admission are here to milk the system, anyone who has ever read anything I have wrote about immigration knows I support it, I want more immigrants in the UK to help us prosper as we always have from immigration, but I want immigrants who come here to work and pay their own way not those who want to milk our system.
What is happening is scandalous and has to be stopped, we are being used and worse laughed at and the situation will only get worse, we simply cannot afford the scroungers, we have enough of our own we do not need to import them.
We now have the largest population of Eastern European Gypsies in the EU, these people have throughout their history been targeted by Stalin, Hitler and other leaders, they have been exterminated imprisoned and attacked, that is wrong, but they don't really help their cause when they boast that they are here to abuse our systems and break our laws, is it any wonder that no other Nation will take them in and help them ?
If we stopped a fraction of the abuse those that needed our benefits help would be able to get more help when they needed it and without some of the stigma that goes with it.