Post Olympic sport in the UK

19 Aug 2012

Quote by bayboy1664
Ah the famous Building Schools for the Future program where you can get a state of the art £15 million building for the bargain price of £25 million.
Ed Balls and Building Schools for the Future is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the Labour Party. Grandiose scheme, good intentions, incompetant oversight, millions of pounds pissed up the wall and then complaints when someone else has to clean up the mess afterwards.
People who voted Labour should have an extra tax placed on them for the mess the UK is in and the debt that has to be repaid.

I know it's terrible that any government should want to improve the education facilities in this country isn't it ... what are the current incumbents doing ?? oh I remember now ... fuck all
P.F.I .... Tory idea still being used .... I know it's all Gordon Brown and Ed Balls' fault but the truth is a little different ... carry on

19 Aug 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
or just trying to troll me ??

there are plenty of things i would like to do to you, but troll you is not one of them. :twisted:

20 Aug 2012

Quote by star
are you not in agreement then to get rid of the president of Syria

Oh that it was always so simple.
Or as simple as the crap fed by the west by people with 'agenda'. Armed gangs roaming the streets of Syria firing indiscriminately and killing innocent people? These gangs are being armed by the west. Is it not right that the legitimate regime in Syria defends itself?
You might not like the regime, you might not think it legitimate. But what gives the west the right to arm disorganised thugs 'in the quest to restore peace'? That is precisely how your taxes are being used right now supported by William Hague. Rather than send the troops in (not a good idea - they learnt that one with Afghanistan et al) so give the thugs on the ground the weapons as they did in Libya and Egypt, give the whole horrid scheme a fancy name like 'Arab Spring', feed the west false and unconfirmable footage of 'atrocities' purporting to be done by forces loyal to the the legitimate government and 'bingo', there you have it.
The truth is, as in Libya, the armed gangs didn't give their weapons back like the were meant to, or as they promised to do so, so Libya is still run by a 'questionable' regime. Same meat, different gravy. Tribal armed gangs still roam the streets but this time fed by the west and given 'legitimacy'.
That's why now, in the west, reporters are required to say "......these images are unconfirmed, of course....".
The truth of the matter is that the west cannot ever fully understand the Arab culture. It has often been said, the only way you can negotiate with an Arab is with your foot on his throat. Life and death to them has a meaning totally different to the western experience or comprehension.
But what gives the west the right to interfere? The President of Syria may not have been elected in the western style of 'democracy' but he does have legitimacy. At least with Basar al-Assad, what you see is what you get; far more open than the lying cheating underhanded barstewards that populate the Palace of Westminster, some might say.
Might it have something to do with him heading the Ba-ath party. Just as Saddam did In Iraq?

20 Aug 2012

Quote by GnV
Oh that it was always so simple.

it never usually is.

Quote by GnV
Or as simple as the crap fed by the west by people with 'agenda'. Armed gangs roaming the streets of Syria firing indiscriminately and killing innocent people? These gangs are being armed by the west. Is it not right that the legitimate regime in Syria defends itself?

you have very strong opinions but very few " facts ".

Quote by GnV
You might not like the regime, you might not think it legitimate. But what gives the west the right to arm disorganised thugs 'in the quest to restore peace'? That is precisely how your taxes are being used right now supported by William Hague. Rather than send the troops in (not a good idea - they learnt that one with Afghanistan et al) so give the thugs on the ground the weapons as they did in Libya and Egypt, give the whole horrid scheme a fancy name like 'Arab Spring', feed the west false and unconfirmable footage of 'atrocities' purporting to be done by forces loyal to the the legitimate government and 'bingo', there you have it.

once again GNV opinions. have you any real facts at all that this is indeed the case? so for the record you are saying that the British government helped by Willian Hague is openly supporting and arming these rebel fighters with britiah tax payers money? FACTS ?

Quote by GnV
The truth is, as in Libya, the armed gangs didn't give their weapons back like the were meant to, or as they promised to do so, so Libya is still run by a 'questionable' regime. Same meat, different gravy. Tribal armed gangs still roam the streets but this time fed by the west and given 'legitimacy'.
That's why now, in the west, reporters are required to say "......these images are unconfirmed, of course....".

the truth is what exactly GNV? the truth by mr GNv? when a video gets sent to the BBC, they are instructed like everyone else to cover there backsides. the videos are anonymous in many cases so must remain unconfirmed, how else can they prove that it is what some are saying it is? dunno

Quote by GnV
But what gives the west the right to interfere? The President of Syria may not have been elected in the western style of 'democracy' but he does have legitimacy. At least with Basar al-Assad, what you see is what you get; far more open than the lying cheating underhanded barstewards that populate the Palace of Westminster, some might say.

this is what gives the west to interfere IF that is what is actually happening here.

or are your conspiracy theories now saying that the british taxpayer is now funding these rebels with helicopter gunships and tanks as well?

Quote by GnV
Might it have something to do with him heading the Ba-ath party. Just as Saddam did In Iraq?

yet another theory but no facts GNV.
coming from a person who stated earlier in this thread he liked two dictators who openly murdered there own people i am not suprised that you support yet another dictator who openly murders his people, frankly on that basis alone the French sun must have got to you. loon

20 Aug 2012

pmsl @ star and goes back to topping up my tan.
It is that sort of reporting to which I referred.
Despite the fact that the report from the BBC you use is over a month old.. Words like "....opposition activists say" and "....If confirmed....." are precisely the point I was making.
Thank you for supporting my argument with the "facts" wink

20 Aug 2012

Quote by GnV
pmsl @ star and goes back to topping up my tan.

exactly my point GNV, you are getting too much sun on your head. as a little word of friendly advice, you ever thought of wearing a hat to protect the top of your head? heatstroke is a terrible thing and can make people seriously ill.:notes:

Quote by GnV
It is that sort of reporting to which I referred.

what reporting exactly? anyone would think by what you are saying is that every single piece of journalism is a fabrication of the truth. Ok then how about this one from the most liberal of sources?

or maybe even the UN in your eyes is also corrupt and full of liars? :doh:

Quote by GnV
Despite the fact that the report from the BBC you use is over a month old.. Words like "....opposition activists say" and "....If confirmed....." are precisely the point I was making.

ah right well then the concentration camps in poland found in 1945 are also untrue then surely GNV, as that report is 67 years old. what a strange argument about the report being a month old. the truth is the truth no matter how long ago it may have happened. it's what I was saying about covering your head when out in the sun again GNV.

Quote by GnV
Thank you for supporting my argument with the "facts"

have not supported anything you have said. you really are getting a bit confused GNV. lie down with a cold flannel away from the sun. i am concerned for your health. :thumbup:

20 Aug 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
pmsl @ star and goes back to topping up my tan.

exactly my point GNV, you are getting too much sun on your head. as a little word of friendly advice, you ever thought of wearing a hat to protect the top of your head? heatstroke is a terrible thing and can make people seriously ill.:notes:
You obviously haven't looked at my profile piccy star... It was taken in France :lol2:

Quote by star
It is that sort of reporting to which I referred.

what reporting exactly? anyone would think by what you are saying is that every single piece of journalism is a fabrication of the truth. Ok then how about this one from the most liberal of sources?

or maybe even the UN in your eyes is also corrupt and full of liars? :doh:
You been at the Leveson enquiry recently then star? Every piece of journalism is designed to sell newspapers, not the truth.
Maybe Kofi Annan resigned because he found out the truth or didn't read The Guardian dunno

Quote by star
Despite the fact that the report from the BBC you use is over a month old.. Words like "....opposition activists say" and "....If confirmed....." are precisely the point I was making.

ah right well then the concentration camps in poland found in 1945 are also untrue then surely GNV, as that report is 67 years old. what a strange argument about the report being a month old. the truth is the truth no matter how long ago it may have happened. it's what I was saying about covering your head when out in the sun again GNV.
Holocaust denial in some parts of Europe is illegal star. You're not trying to trap me are you lol

Quote by star
Thank you for supporting my argument with the "facts"

have not supported anything you have said. you really are getting a bit confused GNV. lie down with a cold flannel away from the sun. i am concerned for your health. :thumbup:
pmsl. You really don't understand your own quotes and the significance of them do you. (looks for blinkered Emoticon)

20 Aug 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB

Ah the famous Building Schools for the Future program where you can get a state of the art £15 million building for the bargain price of £25 million.
Ed Balls and Building Schools for the Future is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the Labour Party. Grandiose scheme, good intentions, incompetant oversight, millions of pounds pissed up the wall and then complaints when someone else has to clean up the mess afterwards.
People who voted Labour should have an extra tax placed on them for the mess the UK is in and the debt that has to be repaid.

I know it's terrible that any government should want to improve the education facilities in this country isn't it ... what are the current incumbents doing ?? oh I remember now ... fuck all
P.F.I .... Tory idea still being used .... I know it's all Gordon Brown and Ed Balls' fault but the truth is a little different ... carry on
Typical tribal and partisan response from a left winger. Totally blind or wilfully ignorant to the short comings of those in a red rosette. It is people like you voting for the morons Brown and Balls that has resulted in the mess the government finances are in.
So you excuse Balls paying £10 million too much per school just because he was "trying to do something"? The unborn children who will be paying off Labours debts will thank you I'm sure.
The only reason the current lot are better than the last lot is because there is no money to spend as once again Labour pissed it all away.
Anyone who voted for Labour in 97, 01,or 05 should have an extra tax levied on them.
PS It is ridiculous to blame Browns catastrophic use of PFI on anyone but Brown and it reveals an infantile tribalism that you attempt to do so.

20 Aug 2012

let us just for a second GnV say that we both make valid points ( even though yours are wrong ):grin:, i would hope that we would agree that the killing of innocent civilians, women and children in Syria is abhorrent.
if it means to put a stop to that slaughter of innocents, that the west go in or arm the rebels, surely you would also support that move? for in not doing that you are advocating that the slaughter of innocents is ok.
no rational and sane person would not want the killing of innocent civilians stopped, but sunshine can do funny things you know to people wink

20 Aug 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
let us just for a second GnV say that we both make valid points ( even though yours are wrong ):grin:, i would hope that we would agree that the killing of innocent civilians, women and children in Syria is abhorrent.

The killing of any innocent person is abhorrent. The place where it happens is immaterial.

Quote by star
if it means to put a stop to that slaughter of innocents, that the west go in or arm the rebels, surely you would also support that move? for in not doing that you are advocating that the slaughter of innocents is ok.
no rational and sane person would not want the killing of innocent civilians stopped

No I don't support that move and neither do I support your contention that in so doing, I advocate the killing of innocent people is ok.
It's a cultural thing; an arab will plead with you convincingly that he needs your cash to feed his (several) wives and many children who are starving to death whilst flashing his gold capped teeth. He has no compunction in peddling such lies. It is his culture. He will tell you that Government soldiers wasted his village killing innocent women and children whilst smiling through gritted gold capped teeth so the ever so nice western press will report it at the same time calling for better more powerful weapons to attack the Government soldiers with.
What he didn't tell you is that he proffered the innocent women and children as hostages against an attack by an opposing tribe. It suits his purpose to blame the government soldiers for the attack because the westerners are so gullible and will be more likely to 'pay up' on a hard luck story.
if he was on the attacking side, he would have no shame in killing many 'innocent' people or even 'selling' their lives to save his own.
As the world press arrive on his doorstep before he can make good his escape, he tells it as it wasn't; "government backed forces came and killed my wife and my children offendi. I am so sad because I was defenceless against the might of the artillery." whilst clutching his heart heart he continues his passioned plea with a tear in his eye "Please help us to defend ourselves with better weapons to match theirs."
What he gets will be 'traded' with other tribes so they can become rich. He couldn't care a buggers udder about the killing of anyone, let alone innocent women and children, because to them, life is cheap and they look to a better life in the hereafter.
They simply play to the audience and they are very good at it as they have no shame or pangs of conscience like westerners do, hence the saying "you can only negotiate with an Arab with your foot on his throat"
When it comes to a lack of shame and conscience, western politicians have similar traits of course :grin:

Quote by star
...but sunshine can do funny things you know to people.

Yes, it can even shine out of people's arses... :twisted:

20 Aug 2012

the "free syrian army" are nothing more than nato/american/british trained and financed death squads transported into syria by american and british undemocratic monarchistic puppet regimes. qatar, saudi arabia et all. their job is to terrorise the syrian people and destabilise the syrian state as a precursor to installing a puppet regime and then attack iran.
strange how some people believe politicians and the media that brought them "weapons of mass destruction" and "osama is hidding in tora bora" "45 minuets" etc lies and bullshit to smash countries and occupy huge swathes of the middle east not to mention the lives lost.
beiging and moscow have said no interference in the sovereignty of the nation state. you fooled us with your "no fly zone over libya" we wont be fooled again.
if armed gangs roamed the streets of london demanding regime change, how would your m.p.'s react ? "lets talk" not on your nellie.
funny how the media cry's democracy for syria but remains silent on saudi arabia, baharain, qatar, the emirates etc but screams for pussy riot. phuking hypocracy, lies and bullshit.
syria is being attacked by the west as the next domino in washington and londons hegemonic plan to rule the world and moscow and beiging know that they are down the line.
if you want humanity to disapear from the planet, keep believing the lies, fabrications and bullshit.
if you need some kind of confirmation of this process since the declaration of the endless war on terror after 9/11, you must have been asleep for 10 years.

20 Aug 2012

Quote by bayboy1664
Typical tribal and partisan response from a left winger. Totally blind or wilfully ignorant to the short comings of those in a red rosette. It is people like you voting for the morons Brown and Balls that has resulted in the mess the government finances are in.

If you had read many of my other posts you would be aware of the fact that I have never been a supporter of Blair , Brown or any 'new' Labour regime. I have in fact refused to vote Labour since Blairs election as leader (barring one vote against a B.N.P. Candidate) having spotted him as a Tory very early in his campaign for leadership.
The governments finances are not in the state they are in because of the abomination that is P.F.I. But because government of all parties has since the 80's pandered to and encouraged the greed and self regard of the wealthy in this country and refused to levy taxes to a level that would allow the much needed investment in our infrastructure

Quote by bayboy1664
So you excuse Balls paying £10 million too much per school just because he was "trying to do something"? The unborn children who will be paying off Labours debts will thank you I'm sure.

No, what I said was that at least they were trying to do something about it … what they should have done was increase borrowing and levied taxes to cover that increased borrowing. Given that doing so would have rendered them unelectable (that selfish greed again )what would you suggest they should have done ?? Those unborn children would I'm sure have thanked you for the derelict schools and hospitals you would have bequeathed them (lets not forget the hospitals).
What Brown and Balls tried to do was/is laudable HOW they did it wasn't

Quote by bayboy1664
Anyone who voted for Labour in 97, 01,or 05 should have an extra tax levied on them.

And anyone who voted Tory in the years before should be taken out and shot … it was their legacy of greed self service and arrogance that left us with no industrial base, with no option for any potential government but to continue pandering to the worst excesses of the city,to continue to keep taxes at a level that left our schools and hospitals (except the private ones of course) holding out begging bowls as the fabric of their buildings crumbled around their ears … so yah boo sucks it was the Tories not Labour …. or more honestly it was all of the incompetent ideal free fuckwits … but go on you blame Brown and Balls after all you do seem to know about 'tribal' 'partisan ' responses

Quote by bayboy1664
PS It is ridiculous to blame Browns catastrophic use of PFI on anyone but Brown and it reveals an infantile tribalism that you attempt to do so.

Indeed it would be … I, however, merely pointed out an uncomfortable and oft missed fact … P.F.I. Was a Tory idea , and more importantly this cash strapped but oh so fiscally responsible government is not only honouring (and not re-negotiating) existing deals but is still putting large scale building and infrastructure projects out to tender under the same scheme; to the same contractors, who will fuck us all in the same way.... so much for the coalition and its new regime .. more cant less schools

20 Aug 2012

Quote by flower411

Typical tribal and partisan response from a left winger. Totally blind or wilfully ignorant to the short comings of those in a red rosette. It is people like you voting for the morons Brown and Balls that has resulted in the mess the government finances are in.

If you had read many of my other posts you would be aware of the fact that I have never been a supporter of Blair , Brown or any 'new' Labour regime. I have in fact refused to vote Labour since Blairs election as leader (barring one vote against a B.N.P. Candidate) having spotted him as a Tory very early in his campaign for leadership.
The governments finances are not in the state they are in because of the abomination that is P.F.I. But because government of all parties has since the 80's pandered to and encouraged the greed and self regard of the wealthy in this country and refused to levy taxes to a level that would allow the much needed investment in our infrastructure

Quote by bayboy1664
So you excuse Balls paying £10 million too much per school just because he was "trying to do something"? The unborn children who will be paying off Labours debts will thank you I'm sure.

No, what I said was that at least they were trying to do something about it … what they should have done was increase borrowing and levied taxes to cover that increased borrowing. Given that doing so would have rendered them unelectable (that selfish greed again )what would you suggest they should have done ?? Those unborn children would I'm sure have thanked you for the derelict schools and hospitals you would have bequeathed them (lets not forget the hospitals).
What Brown and Balls tried to do was/is laudable HOW they did it wasn't

Quote by bayboy1664
Anyone who voted for Labour in 97, 01,or 05 should have an extra tax levied on them.

And anyone who voted Tory in the years before should be taken out and shot … it was their legacy of greed self service and arrogance that left us with no industrial base, with no option for any potential government but to continue pandering to the worst excesses of the city,to continue to keep taxes at a level that left our schools and hospitals (except the private ones of course) holding out begging bowls as the fabric of their buildings crumbled around their ears … so yah boo sucks it was the Tories not Labour …. or more honestly it was all of the incompetent ideal free fuckwits … but go on you blame Brown and Balls after all you do seem to know about 'tribal' 'partisan ' responses

Quote by bayboy1664
PS It is ridiculous to blame Browns catastrophic use of PFI on anyone but Brown and it reveals an infantile tribalism that you attempt to do so.

Indeed it would be … I, however, merely pointed out an uncomfortable and oft missed fact … P.F.I. Was a Tory idea , and more importantly this cash strapped but oh so fiscally responsible government is not only honouring (and not re-negotiating) existing deals but is still putting large scale building and infrastructure projects out to tender under the same scheme; to the same contractors, who will fuck us all in the same way.... so much for the coalition and its new regime .. more cant less schools
I was going to comment earlier but didn`t ....
The only thing that surprises me here is that you "staggerlee" vote ..
Do you really believe that the people in parliament actually have any say in the way the country is run ?
If I'm totally honest Flower, probably not ... but in a complacent country what else have I got but to buy into the illusion ??

20 Aug 2012

I've had a busy few days with work and tbh I haven't really caught the news since before the weekend, so I'm expecting somebody to be able to correct me quite quickly with the first of my two questions:
1. When did William Hague or any other UK politician announce we are arming rebels? There seems to have been a lot of discussion/squabbling about the subject in this thread, but I have to be honest it's not something I have heard. (standing by to be corrected)
2. What has the situation in Syria got to do with 'Post Olympic sport in the UK'? Are we so concerned that syria will beat us in the medal table in four years time that that we have started arming people over there to shoot their own athletes?

21 Aug 2012

Quote by Trevaunance
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2. What has the situation in Syria got to do with 'Post Olympic sport in the UK'? Are we so concerned that syria will beat us in the medal table in four years time that that we have started arming people over there to shoot their own athletes?

Erm, I was wondering that too!

21 Aug 2012

Quote by paulaclark
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2. What has the situation in Syria got to do with 'Post Olympic sport in the UK'? Are we so concerned that syria will beat us in the medal table in four years time that that we have started arming people over there to shoot their own athletes?

Erm, I was wondering that too!
I'm pretty sure that the eventual out come will be president Assad doing either the meters or the marathon and those slippery Tory's will swear they was only starting pistols in the arms for Syria hearing
if anything was learned by the Libya episode then he(assad) will know that hide and seek ends badly

21 Aug 2012

Quote by paulaclark
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2. What has the situation in Syria got to do with 'Post Olympic sport in the UK'? Are we so concerned that syria will beat us in the medal table in four years time that that we have started arming people over there to shoot their own athletes?

Erm, I was wondering that too!
Perhaps some friendly Mod will happen along one day and split the thread....
However, for me, engaging a few people on here about Syria is great post Olympic sport :grin:

21 Aug 2012

Given the amount of our medal winners who were born overseas (Bradley Wiggins-Belgium, Beth Tweddle-South Africa, Mo Farah-Somalia.....)perhaps we're hoping their top sportsmen want to become refugees here?

5 Sep 2012

Are West Ham still going to use the stadium after the para lot are done ...
Or is it another dome in the making and useless after the end of the olympics (thank feck its over soon too)
J