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There needs to be "a big cultural change" towards sport in schools if Britain is to capitalise on Team GB's Olympic wins, David Cameron has said.
Meanwhile Education Secretary, Michael Gove, has approved the sale of more than 20 school sports fields in the past two years, official figures show.
These sell-offs come despite the coalition's pledge to protect school playing fields in England. (Two years ago, the Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition agreement said the government would "support the creation of an annual Olympic-style schools sport event to encourage competitive sport in schools, and... seek to protect school playing fields")
Joined up Government any one ?
:sad:
Approved the sale of being the key words. No defender of the Gov here but I doubt any schools have had the fields forcibly removed from them. More like its beneficial for them to sell them off so they did whilst arranging alternative possibly better facilities elsewhere.
Tweeky,
from a couple of examples seen, sold for housing and a 5-a-side firm, just leaving the school with play grounds basically.
So, has any school actually had its school playing grounds completely removed from them?
Or is it just a case of sensationalism?
Seriously, where are these schools? and is it a case of selling off excess space?
Or is it a case of having their grounds shared with other organisations, such as nearby schools?
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Tweeky,
from a couple of examples seen, sold for housing and a 5-a-side firm, just leaving the school with play grounds basically.

Like I said though you need to look at what other arrangements were put in place and what was the benefit for the school? Perhaps the school got cash or other benefit/facility use in some way for the field? In the case of the 5-a-side sell off that sounds like the school would get use of those facilities as part of the deal. Robbing schools of a playing field and giving them nothing in return would not be a vote winner. Any council sanctioning such actions wouldn't be very popular. Also are we talking secondary, primary, academy's? Have we totally ruled out these are not closed schools too? fair few of them around and the primary I went to will no doubt be houses soon. Cant say I have seen anything of the sort locally. My secondary school was demolished and the field was built on though they built the new school on the same site complete with sports centre and still a field left. That was Labour though not the Tory's lol
'....an annual Olympic-style schools sport event'
These surely already happen - they certainly do in Athletics and other major sports, just not in one competition. I am really into sports, however, I don't think its a good idea to have a PE lesson everyday - its way more important that we have scientists/engineers than top quality sports people.
However, going back to the topic of school playing fields - the high school I went to had huge fields, still does. However, when i was a kid these were open for anyone to use out of school hours. Now they are all fenced in and nobody can use them. Moronic really.
i am not sure about the selling off of school sports fields, but what i do know is that Rod Liddle usually talks a whole lot of common sense so in this article today, his comments scream out help. The comment about his kids schools attitudes to winning, as in how they ran half way and all walked hand in hand together to the finishing line, so as that everyone was a winner is utter teacher madness.

but his comments at the bottom of his article about the facts of playing fields, is good enough for me.
" Soon after Jessica Ennis won her gold medal for Team GB, it was announced that one comprehensive school in London, the Elliot School, was to sell off six tennis courts and a football field.
There’s the Olympic legacy for you.
Since the Tories took office, 22 schools have sold their playing fields, despite the Prime Minister insisting that this would never happen ".
in london where space is at a premium and house building seems to take priority over almost anything, where indeed is Cameron's promise that no school playing fields would be sold? unfortunately local councils do have the power to sell the land without national governments interventions. once the land has been sold there is no going back, and near to where i live open spaces are at a premium and kids usually have little choice other than to play on the streets.
a succession of governments have sold the kids down the river, and it is only because of lottery money that we are seeing the current crop of success. i believe that sport should be on the curriculum as much as maths and english is. but in many areas if that were the case where would the kids go that was local to there school? the last olympics stats regarding medal winners and there school backgrounds, indicating that you were more likely to be a success at sport if you came from a private school was startling, but at least that has changed this time around and once again not thanks to the government but to the great national lottery.
we have a sports minister, so where the fecking hell is he? once the olympics have been and gone, i hope there will be a lasting legacy and that it will be compulsory for every child at school no matter what there ages, to do a minimum number of hours playing sport. is that a reality or a fantasy?
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However, going back to the topic of school playing fields - the high school I went to had huge fields, still does. However, when i was a kid these were open for anyone to use out of school hours. Now they are all fenced in and nobody can use them. Moronic really.

i do not know where you come from, but around here and in many areas in the uk, you leave those areas open to the public and you will end up having about 50 traveller families parked up there for a month. that is how it has been around here, and only recently our local park which is shut and fenced off after , had the metal gates stolen and at the same time about a million caravans parked on it. there is usually a bloody good reason DeeDan why they are fenced in and shut peeple out after a certain time. sad but true.
Once again though Star no mention of alternative arrangements? Sound like sensationalism. My Mum grew up in the 50's her school had no field and no playground yet the school and my Mum played Hockey, Tennis, went swimming and running as well as more I probably don't know. A lot of schools don't have a Swimming pool, don't mean the kids don't go swimming though.
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Once again though Star no mention of alternative arrangements? Sound like sensationalism. My Mum grew up in the 50's her school had no field and no playground yet the school and my Mum played Hockey, Tennis, went swimming and running as well as more I probably don't know. A lot of schools don't have a Swimming pool, don't mean the kids don't go swimming though.

wink TRUELY I WAS WORRIED FOR UK AFTER CHINA BUT HOWEVER TEAM GB DID FANTASTIC SO DID ALL THE HIDDEN WORKERS AND THE ARMY OF VOLS THAT DID THIER IMPORTANT PARTS
however in reply to this posting , boost your income tax to 40 or 50% and dont moan about the price of this that and of course living then selling assests that are short term money makers would not be necessary
we may not have spent as much on the games as china however we did ourselves proud
so stop your moaning and enjoy the aftermath
The world peace that I felt was graet ---I cant wait for the paralympics these brave souls show true courage
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Once again though Star no mention of alternative arrangements? Sound like sensationalism. My Mum grew up in the 50's her school had no field and no playground yet the school and my Mum played Hockey, Tennis, went swimming and running as well as more I probably don't know. A lot of schools don't have a Swimming pool, don't mean the kids don't go swimming though.

wink TRUELY I WAS WORRIED FOR UK AFTER CHINA BUT HOWEVER TEAM GB DID FANTASTIC SO DID ALL THE HIDDEN WORKERS AND THE ARMY OF VOLS THAT DID THIER IMPORTANT PARTS
however in reply to this posting , boost your income tax to 40 or 50% and dont moan about the price of this that and of course living then selling assests that are short term money makers would not be necessary
we may not have spent as much on the games as china however we did ourselves proud
so stop your moaning and enjoy the aftermath
The world peace that I felt was graet ---I cant wait for the paralympics these brave souls show true courage
Did you quote the right person dunno
Sorry for sounding cynical, but I seriously have doubts over some of these claims. To be honest those doubts are based solely around politics, timing and an inherent mistrust of sensational news, not hard facts.
However, what politician is going to go on record claiming such things, knowing that somebody somewhere in the press is going to leap all over it.
In all seriousness how many of these 20 or so 'playing field sell offs' were already in the pipeline before the change of government? How many are a result of land changes? How many leave schools with no playing fields at all?
In Exeter there was a major school rebuilding and refurbishment programme a few years ago. Almost every school was refurbished, or completely rebuilt. Some land changes occurred, for instance a comprehensive school was completely rebuilt from scratch 3/4 of a mile from where it originally sat for 60 odd years. The previous school site and it's playing fields were sold on to a Catholic organisation that now runs the school and it's playing fields privately. Yet this site was on the supposed list of 'sold of sites'.
Another area I know off was sold off to make room for an athletics track, rugby ground, BMX track and indoor and outdoor bowls. The athletics track/facilities are the same ones that one of this years Olympians, Jo Pavey, trains on, and every local school is given use of the facilities by Exeter City Council who own the site. So it's not all doom and gloom.
I accept that there may well have been 20 or so playing field areas sold off amongst the thousands of schools that we as a country maintain, but would someone please look behind the conveniently well timed and sensational headline to get at the facts?
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Sorry for sounding cynical, but I seriously have doubts over some of these claims. To be honest those doubts are based solely around politics, timing and an inherent mistrust of sensational news, not hard facts.
However, what politician is going to go on record claiming such things, knowing that somebody somewhere in the press is going to leap all over it.
In all seriousness how many of these 20 or so 'playing field sell offs' were already in the pipeline before the change of government? How many are a result of land changes? How many leave schools with no playing fields at all?
In Exeter there was a major school rebuilding and refurbishment programme a few years ago. Almost every school was refurbished, or completely rebuilt. Some land changes occurred, for instance a comprehensive school was completely rebuilt from scratch 3/4 of a mile from where it originally sat for 60 odd years. The previous school site and it's playing fields were sold on to a Catholic organisation that now runs the school and it's playing fields privately. Yet this site was on the supposed list of 'sold of sites'.
Another area I know off was sold off to make room for an athletics track, rugby ground, BMX track and indoor and outdoor bowls. The athletics track/facilities are the same ones that one of this years Olympians, Jo Pavey, trains on, and every local school is given use of the facilities by Exeter City Council who own the site. So it's not all doom and gloom.
I accept that there may well have been 20 or so playing field areas sold off amongst the thousands of schools that we as a country maintain, but would someone please look behind the conveniently well timed and sensational headline to get at the facts?

Redevelopment of secondary schools was an initiative of the last Government. The same was planned for primarsys though this was scrapped by the Condem's. Our primary where our kids go is now paying for its own rennovations directly from its budget.
The Government of today had to make choices. Whether I agree with them or no is irrelevant.
I cannot speak for where you are, but here in Exeter it was a complete school redevelopment programme as I said before, not just secondary schools.
However, you do raise an interesting point. Given the complicated arrangements that often embroil public land use, (planning permission, zoning, other facilities etc) is it not possible that some plans for these 20 or so playing fields amongst our thousands of schools are a legacy from the last government?
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There needs to be "a big cultural change" towards sport in schools if Britain is to capitalise on Team GB's Olympic wins, David Cameron has said.
Meanwhile Education Secretary, Michael Gove, has approved the sale of more than 20 school sports fields in the past two years, official figures show.
These sell-offs come despite the coalition's pledge to protect school playing fields in England. (Two years ago, the Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition agreement said the government would "support the creation of an annual Olympic-style schools sport event to encourage competitive sport in schools, and... seek to protect school playing fields")
Joined up Government any one ?
:sad:

14 of the 22 playing fields that have been approved for sale by Gove were from schools that had CLOSED. And the sales originate from LOCAL authorities not central government.
This is just another example of people with a political agenda twisting "facts" to suit their agenda.
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Sorry for sounding cynical, but I seriously have doubts over some of these claims. To be honest those doubts are based solely around politics, timing and an inherent mistrust of sensational news, not hard facts.
However, what politician is going to go on record claiming such things, knowing that somebody somewhere in the press is going to leap all over it.
In all seriousness how many of these 20 or so 'playing field sell offs' were already in the pipeline before the change of government? How many are a result of land changes? How many leave schools with no playing fields at all?
In Exeter there was a major school rebuilding and refurbishment programme a few years ago. Almost every school was refurbished, or completely rebuilt. Some land changes occurred, for instance a comprehensive school was completely rebuilt from scratch 3/4 of a mile from where it originally sat for 60 odd years. The previous school site and it's playing fields were sold on to a Catholic organisation that now runs the school and it's playing fields privately. Yet this site was on the supposed list of 'sold of sites'.
Another area I know off was sold off to make room for an athletics track, rugby ground, BMX track and indoor and outdoor bowls. The athletics track/facilities are the same ones that one of this years Olympians, Jo Pavey, trains on, and every local school is given use of the facilities by Exeter City Council who own the site. So it's not all doom and gloom.
I accept that there may well have been 20 or so playing field areas sold off amongst the thousands of schools that we as a country maintain, but would someone please look behind the conveniently well timed and sensational headline to get at the facts?

Redevelopment of secondary schools was an initiative of the last Government. The same was planned for primarsys though this was scrapped by the Condem's. Our primary where our kids go is now paying for its own rennovations directly from its budget.
Ah the famous Building Schools for the Future program where you can get a state of the art £15 million building for the bargain price of £25 million.
Ed Balls and Building Schools for the Future is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the Labour Party. Grandiose scheme, good intentions, incompetant oversight, millions of pounds pissed up the wall and then complaints when someone else has to clean up the mess afterwards.
People who voted Labour should have an extra tax placed on them for the mess the UK is in and the debt that has to be repaid.
Bay,
Given that Cameron went on BBC olympic coverage and said 20, of which 14 were closed schools, and that it subsequently gets reported that the total number is different circa 50% more,
:doh:
why should any of us believe he got the 14 number correct either
dunno
Once again Cameron & Gove appear to have failed their 'maths' studies, and we have serious doubts relating to Osborne looking at the economy.
Oh by the way the Department for Education now say there was one more, so a total of 31
(to date)
'School playing field sell offs' is a great headline, but what does it actually mean?
Well in short local authorities usually own the land and they apply to 'the school playing fields panel' within the Department for Education to dispose of the land. Disposal can mean a variety of things for example changing the use of the land from a grass patch to a new science block counts as a disposal. Leasing/selling it to a third party, such as a leisure chain, and then continuing to use the land also counts as a disposal. As well as the most commonly thought of method; selling the land to someone else to build on it.
SO, now we have some idea what disposal means and the process it must follow lets look at the figures.
Originally the government released figures that 21 playing fields had been disposed of, this figure then increased by 9 more, then a further one to a total of 31. On the face of it this doesn't appear to be very joined up government if they don't know what they are talking about and have to keep changing things. However there is more to this story...
The guardian newspaper obtained figures as part of a freedom of information request to the government. The FOI request asked how many applications to dispose of school playing fields have been received and approved by the government since May 2010. The answer was 21. 14 Of these had been because the schools had closed, and four more had occurred because schools had merged.
Within a few days a further 9 applications were added to this list. However these applications had been received by the previous government and due to the time it takes to investigate the present government was in power to approve the application only. Some of these applications were received in 2009 and one in 2008, long before the current government took office and outside of the dates in the original FOI request.
The 31st school that has now cropped up is a school in Newquay, Cornwall. In this case the school actually owns the land and does not have to follow the disposal process.
I'm not a particular fan of the Government or the Guardian, but a straight question was asked and a straight answer received.
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why should any of us believe he got the 14 number correct either
dunno

Oh that's an easy one to sort out. Why not drive to all 14 schools in september when the kids are back and have a look for yourself. :jagsatwork:
Quote by Trevaunance
'School playing field sell offs' is a great headline, but what does it actually mean?
Well in short local authorities usually own the land and they apply to 'the school playing fields panel' within the Department for Education to dispose of the land. Disposal can mean a variety of things for example changing the use of the land from a grass patch to a new science block counts as a disposal. Leasing/selling it to a third party, such as a leisure chain, and then continuing to use the land also counts as a disposal. As well as the most commonly thought of method; selling the land to someone else to build on it.
SO, now we have some idea what disposal means and the process it must follow lets look at the figures.
Originally the government released figures that 21 playing fields had been disposed of, this figure then increased by 9 more, then a further one to a total of 31. On the face of it this doesn't appear to be very joined up government if they don't know what they are talking about and have to keep changing things. However there is more to this story...
The guardian newspaper obtained figures as part of a freedom of information request to the government. The FOI request asked how many applications to dispose of school playing fields have been received and approved by the government since May 2010. The answer was 21. 14 Of these had been because the schools had closed, and four more had occurred because schools had merged.
Within a few days a further 9 applications were added to this list. However these applications had been received by the previous government and due to the time it takes to investigate the present government was in power to approve the application only. Some of these applications were received in 2009 and one in 2008, long before the current government took office and outside of the dates in the original FOI request.
The 31st school that has now cropped up is a school in Newquay, Cornwall. In this case the school actually owns the land and does not have to follow the disposal process.
I'm not a particular fan of the Government or the Guardian, but a straight question was asked and a straight answer received.

Aw c'mon Trevuanance, don't spoil the the fun of the sensational-headline mongers with a rational and balanced post! wink
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Bay,
Given that Cameron went on BBC olympic coverage and said 20, of which 14 were closed schools, and that it subsequently gets reported that the total number is different circa 50% more,
:doh:

David Cameron, At the age of thirteen, he went to Eton College in Berkshire. He then began his Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics (PPE) at Brasenose College, Oxford
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why should any of us believe he got the 14 number correct either
dunno

Michael Gove From 1985 to 1988 studied English at Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, where he served as President of the Oxford Union.
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Once again Cameron & Gove appear to have failed their 'maths' studies, and we have serious doubts relating to Osborne looking at the economy.

now HNS i have highlighted these two and there academic prowess. now i do not think they failed any tests at all, but what i do believe is that they both got A*'s in how to pull the wool over peoples eyes, and lie there socks off.
an MP only seems to tell the truth when it suits them to do so, the rest of the 99% of the time they slither under those rocks. I cannot remember a time when an MP actually sat down and told it as it is, without the press forcing him or her to come clean.
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an MP only seems to tell the truth when it suits them to do so, the rest of the 99% of the time they slither under those rocks. I cannot remember a time when an MP actually sat down and told it as it is, without the press forcing him or her to come clean.

George Galloway?
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an MP only seems to tell the truth when it suits them to do so, the rest of the 99% of the time they slither under those rocks. I cannot remember a time when an MP actually sat down and told it as it is, without the press forcing him or her to come clean.

George Galloway?
you think GNV? he is a person that tells people what he thinks they want to hear. A friend of Saddam and a friend of Fidel Castro, and that should tell you all you need to know about the man.
The last two posts as MP's were in boroughs of a massive proportion of Muslims and the promises he made them. when a man like Galloway in his pre election bile screams out in Arabic " God is great " for the benefit of his " followers ", it is time to re think the political rules.
Galloway is a nasty horrid little man, but what he has got is the ability to rouse peoples feelings, a bit like another well known German man. he is a voice on his own GNV, a man that many politicians laugh at, a man with no political power, and a man that loves the sound of his own voice and actually believes the nonsense he shouts. a lot now not in our Mother tongue either it seems.:notes:

also never trust a man who dresses up on national tv in a leotard, playing a cat and then starts meowing. what a plonker. rolleyes
three guesses GNV who the other plonker is. rotflmao
Actually star, I rather liked Saddam as well as Gaddafi - how odd is that?
And 'gorgeous' George as well as one or two others of some particular political note in the UK Parliament also held views at odds with el presidente George 'dubbya' and his pet pussy cat Bliar.
I think what you don't seem to like is the reference to someone who actually did tell it as it actually was and the weak cross reference to Hitler is somewhat disingenuous. Now we have the west ganging up on the President of Syria with the potential for regime change to suit the west.
My free subscription to The Daily Wail has now ended so I'm not now able to get the same set of bilge that you are so fond of reading so will revert instead to speaking my own mind on this subject rather than having to wade through the filth to get an idea of where you are coming from.
I expect there to be problems - but hey, we can have fun on the way wink
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Actually star, I rather liked Saddam as well as Gaddafi - how odd is that?
And 'gorgeous' George as well as one or two others of some particular political note in the UK Parliament also held views at odds with el presidente George 'dubbya' and his pet pussycat Bliar.
I think what you don't seem to like is the reference to someone who actually did tell it as it actually was and the weak cross reference to Hitler is somewhat disingenuous. Now we have the west ganging up on the President of Syria with the potential for regime change to suit the west.
My free subscription to The Daily Wail has now ended so I'm not now able to get the same set of bilge that you are so fond of reading so will revert instead to speaking my own mind on this subject rather than having to wade through the filth to get an idea of where you are coming from.
I know you like me to be controversial, so I won't hold back :lol2:
I expect there to be problems - but hey, we can have some fun on the way wink
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an MP only seems to tell the truth when it suits them to do so, the rest of the 99% of the time they slither under those rocks. I cannot remember a time when an MP actually sat down and told it as it is, without the press forcing him or her to come clean.

George Galloway?
Dennis Skinner .... the legendary beast of Bolsover
The ex Viscount Stansfield
Arthur Scargill
This is a good game .... anyone else want to play lol :lol:
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Actually star, I rather liked Saddam as well as Gaddafi - how odd is that?

very odd actually seing as you know neither of them, only what the press say. unless of course Gaddafi has invited you round to his tent when he was alive to share a camels eye together. rolleyes
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And 'gorgeous' George as well as one or two others of some particular political note in the UK Parliament also held views at odds with el presidente George 'dubbya' and his pet pussy cat Bliar.

and " gorgeous George " is the answer then? blink
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I think what you don't seem to like is the reference to someone who actually did tell it as it actually was and the weak cross reference to Hitler is somewhat disingenuous. Now we have the west ganging up on the President of Syria with the potential for regime change to suit the west.

no not as it actually was GNV but as he thinks it is, a subtle difference. no weak cross reference at all, they both said things to instill others into their way of thinking, and in my mind a million miles away from being disingenuous. are you not in agreement then to get rid of the president of Syria, knowing he has committed mass murder, and has openly been killing his people? If it was based purely on what the west wants, then i am sure the west would have intervened long ago. civilians are being killed on a daily basis yet you would rather the west did not interven and that innocent people slaughtered? loon
in this reply by you, you have admitted liking both Saddam and Gadaffi, and also not wanting the west to intervene to stop the innocent slaughter of women and children. you wrote " how odd is that "? bloody odd to be honest, or playing for attention? lol
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My free subscription to The Daily Wail has now ended so I'm not now able to get the same set of bilge that you are so fond of reading so will revert instead to speaking my own mind on this subject rather than having to wade through the filth to get an idea of where you are coming from.

so you was ok reading the free daily wail, but not if you have to pay for it? another odd comment. still you have your opinion and i have mine, but the french are known for a lack of any humour.
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I expect there to be problems - but hey, we can have fun on the way wink

dont bank on it. innocent
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Dennis Skinner .... the legendary beast of Bolsover
The ex Viscount Stansfield
Arthur Scargill
This is a good game .... anyone else want to play lol :lol:

you just come back from the pub, after one over the nine? you seem to have missed any of the game so go and play on your own.flipa
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Dennis Skinner .... the legendary beast of Bolsover
The ex Viscount Stansfield
Arthur Scargill
This is a good game .... anyone else want to play lol :lol:

you just come back from the pub, after one over the nine? you seem to have missed any of the game so go and play on your own.flipa

Actually I've just got back from Northumberland where I was delivering two dogs to a rescue ... 'cos I'm a fucking saint I am
So are you saying I'm wrong then or just trying to troll me ??