Reduced benefits for the poor

19 Mar 2013

I have been following the commentaries on UKIP and their policies and I think I might seriously consider voting for them on the basis that there flawed immigration stance will fail, but other more palatable policies will succeed evil

:evil: their immigration policy is doomed to fail because there is no way to draw a line in the sand about who would be welcome to stay and who would have to go, but their other policies they can crack on without delay.
I am fully supportive of their position to reduce the higher rate tax band by a further 10% and I am also supportive of their assertion that the welfare system and all associated hand outs need to be reduced much more dramatically than they are at the moment meaning that the poor and under privileged will end up receiving less benefits and I will end up paying less tax. lol

:lol:

19 Mar 2013

All good stuff....

20 Mar 2013

Quote by Too Hot
I have been following the commentaries on UKIP and their policies and I think I might seriously consider voting for them on the basis that there flawed immigration stance will fail, but other more palatable policies will succeed :evil: their immigration policy is doomed to fail because there is no way to draw a line in the sand about who would be welcome to stay and who would have to go, but their other policies they can crack on without delay.
I am fully supportive of their position to reduce the higher rate tax band by a further 10% and I am also supportive of their assertion that the welfare system and all associated hand outs need to be reduced much more dramatically than they are at the moment meaning that the poor and under privileged will end up receiving less benefits and I will end up paying less tax.:lol:

That is already happening, my friend, a war pensioner has just had his war pension, his only source of income for him and his family reduced from £792 per month to £564 per month, scandalous that he still gets so much to squander, most of his income does go on rent but that still leaves a colossal amount for him to live the life of luxury he leads doesn't it.

20 Mar 2013

I like that they were open-minded enough to let Frank Maloney stand in the 2010 general election even after making the following homophobic gaffe in the London mayoral elections six years previous:

I don't want to campaign around gays...I don't think they do a lot for society...what I have a problem with is them openly flaunting their sexuality.

As members of a swinging site where most of us are engaged in flaunting our sexuality to some degree or other that's something we would all support I'm sure. confused

20 Mar 2013

i.d be happy to pay more tax if the needy got the nelp they needed.
my biggest gripe about taxes is the blatant waste of it!!
as for making the poor poorer in favour of a bigger house or a super car id pass on that one, its called morals i think rolleyes

20 Mar 2013

Quote by flower411
I like all the stuff about encouraging small businesses by reducing employees rights, particularly getting rid of maternity leave, statutary holidays and employers national insurance contribututions :thumbup:

yep i think small bussiness needs all the help it can get at the moment flower :thumbup:

20 Mar 2013

Quote by flower411
All good stuff....

Blimey !! They`ve got my vote .....they have refillable oil wells ! lol

That is actually partly true...1% of the oil extracted per year is replaced per year by the heat/pressure action on the substrate.
So it would take 100 years to replace all the oil extracted in one year.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by Too Hot
I have been following the commentaries on UKIP and their policies and I think I might seriously consider voting for them on the basis that there flawed immigration stance will fail, but other more palatable policies will succeed :evil: their immigration policy is doomed to fail because there is no way to draw a line in the sand about who would be welcome to stay and who would have to go, but their other policies they can crack on without delay.

Another scare mongering tactic Th? rolleyes

So others can see what they stand for I have taken a snippet from their manifesto on their immigration policies. Their immigration policies are certainly not doomed to fail at all, that is Tory clap trap nonsense. I shall let others have a look at the link and for you to keep banging on and on about UKIP and it's flawed poloicies, proves that you like the party you support, are running scared of them in a big way.

" End mass, uncontrolled immigration. UKIP calls for an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement. We aspire to ensure that any future immigration does not exceed 50,000 people p.a".

Quote by Too Hot
I am fully supportive of their position to reduce the higher rate tax band by a further 10% and I am also supportive of their assertion that the welfare system and all associated hand outs need to be reduced much more dramatically than they are at the moment meaning that the poor and under privileged will end up receiving less benefits and I will end up paying less tax.:lol:

So it is either about YOU getting more money, or by taking it off of other poorer people, but as long as you get more out of it !! Where is the I am going to be sick emotion?
A typical Tory outlook on things............steal from the poorest in society, and give it to the richest in society. If I had my way I would raise the 40% tax band to 50% and raise the minimum amount where you start paying tax to £12000.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by Too Hot
All good stuff....

How ironic that this person who wrote this biased rubbish a Labour MEP Richard Corbett ( now ex Labour MEP lol

) , lost his seat in the European elections to the ......................BNP party. How fecking ironic is that? Seems the people of Yorkshire & Humber saw through this man to such a degree, that they decided to vote for the complete opposite of his views and elected a BNP member to represent them. No wonder this guy writes such one sided drivel on any party that dares to want out of his beloved Europe.

:rotflmao::rotflmao: or dares to speak of immigration. rolleyes

A staunch Labour supporter so of course his article is based on a complete unbiased political assessment of UKIP. He is also a huge fan of Europe .....
"Richard Corbett's activities in the European Students at Oxford led on to him being elected first to the youth board of the European Movement in Britain and then to the international presidency of the youth wing of the European Movement and of the Union of European Federalists, the Young European Federalists (JEF), a post he held from 1979 to 1981, drafting their Manifesto which was the first to coin the phrase "democratic deficit" in relation to the European Parliament's then lack of any power over European legislation".
And UKIP's main policies are??? Oh yes to get out of Europe. How funny is that one? :giggle::giggle::giggle:
And you think this pamphlet he has produced is an honest unbiased view of UKIP? What a fucking own goal if ever I saw one. :doh::doh:
I am suprised in you TH to be honest, that you would supply such a rubbish link without doing some proper homework on it's author.:bounce:

20 Mar 2013

So star, let's get this right.
You are drawing level comparisons between UKIP and the BNP?
To add effect to the piercings, have you got your bovver boots on order?
Bexley Bovver Boys Rule, OK wink

20 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
So star, let's get this right.
You are drawing comparisons between UKIP and the BNP?
As well as the piercings, have you got your bovver boots ordered as well?

Being a bit stupid on purpose GnV does you no favours at all, and I struggle to understand why you constantly do it.
UKIP and the BNP are paired in the same breath because they dare to not only talk about immigration, but want to stop uncontrolled immigration. There is a huge difference in having some sort of control on immigration than to just have an open door policy to then be able to have this wonder of multiculturalism that the last Labour Government aspired too.
Anyone who dares to speak openly about this this is then shouted down by shouts of racist to shut them up. That is not democratic politics GnV, that is like many countries have used in the past to silence people.
Oh and btw........no piercings here GnV, a couple of tats and certainly no order for any bovver boots. The one that speaks the loudest on this forum is the very person that naffed off abroad at the first opportunity, pretty ironic don't you think in a funny kind of way? :bounce:
As an aside GnV..........as a debate let us say we have taken on board 5 million immigrants over the last 15 years ( there are more than that but lets be on the lower end of the figures ),out of those five million, a proportion will have children and then they will have children. In 50 years time when this country could possibly grow to 90 million people or more, can this country sustain that amount? Where will the jobs and the housing and the infrastructure come from GnV to support such large numbers. Forget where these people come from in the world, how can this little Island operate with 90 million people in it?
There are talks about cities the size of Birmingham needed every three years. Can you explain to me how this policy actually will be beneficial to anyone in the UK? Where will it end GnV? 90 million, 100 million? More?
I want to hear how you think this country will be able to operate and function with that amount of people in it. The country is skint now, there are not enough jobs for the amount of people out of work right now. Simple economics and basic maths will tell you that 12 eggs will not fit in a box made for 4 eggs, unless you break some of course. I would be interested to hear a serious response to a very simple question.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by star
I would be interested to hear a serious response to a very simple question.

You answered it yourself star

Quote by star
The one that speaks the loudest on this forum is the very person that naffed off abroad at the first opportunity, pretty ironic don't you think in a funny kind of way?

So what's the point in asking my opinion other than you just being mischievous?
And oh, BTW, you really should try harder to remember what you write in these forums as, once again, your memory has been found to be lacking.

Quote by star
Oh and btw........no piercings here GnV

Yet only yesterday you wrote that you did have piercings...

Quote by yesterday at star
You forgot to mention my 13 piercings as well.

Oh dear star.
How can people take you seriously when you obviously make things up as you go along dunno

A clearer credibility gap you couldn't wish for :lol2:
At least I did something about my quality of life rather than just bury my head in the sand, increase personal debt and join the millions of other complaining moaners of the UK.
You should try it star. As you seem to like the sun and warmer climes, Cyprus might have some amazing deals shortly lol

20 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
I would be interested to hear a serious response to a very simple question.

You answered it yourself star

Quote by star
The one that speaks the loudest on this forum is the very person that naffed off abroad at the first opportunity, pretty ironic don't you think in a funny kind of way?

Quote by star
Oh and btw........no piercings here GnV

Yet only yesterday you wrote that you did have piercings...

Quote by yesterday at star
You forgot to mention my 13 piercings as well.

Oh dear star.
How can people take you seriously when you obviously make things up as you go along dunno

A clearer credibility gap you couldn't wish for :lol2:
At least I did something about my quality of life rather than just bury my head in the sand, increase personal debt and join the millions of other complaining moaners of the UK.
You are seriously telling me that you believed my 13 piercings? No surely your not that easy to fool.
All of the rest above is pure and utter rubbish and you know it. You failed to answer my question as there is no answer to it, unless you can of course and prove me wrong. Go on then GnV I dare you to answer the question I asked of you.
Where is the foot tapping emotion. Oh and seeing as you obviously take everything I say as gospel, the weather here today is awful........it is actually raining cats and dogs.

:rotflmao: No really GnV it is...........
Oh and.....

Quote by you laughingly
At least I did something about my quality of life rather than just bury my head in the sand, increase personal debt and join the millions of other complaining moaners of the UK.

Well not a huge amount by the sounds of your previous posts with regards to not being able to afford any holidays. wink

Not even one to cheap as chips Sharm.

20 Mar 2013

Life is just one big holiday now star. Why should I want to go to Egypt?
Do you have a list of people on your notice board star? The list of people you have intentions to bully into answering your questions when you have no intention of answering theirs?
Flower, minx, GnV, TH the list goes on. How many others have there been who now don't bother posting because of your irresponsible treatment of them?
Who is next on your list?
And oh, I'm glad you find my moving to France a laughing matter.
I think so too. I was laughing all the way to the bank when I sold up in the UK and still am wink

20 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Life is just one big holiday now star. Why should I want to go to Egypt?
Do you have a list of people on your notice board star? The list of people you have intentions to bully into answering your questions when you have no intention of answering theirs?

I try my hardest to answer as honestly as I can.

Quote by GnV
Flower, minx, GnV, TH the list goes on. How many others have there been who now don't bother posting because of your irresponsible treatment of them?
Who'se next on your list?

Was not aware that you was the voice of others on here. Personally I think it is rubbish to suggest such a preposterous statement.
I asked you a very simple question based on your answers to comments I made.

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So star, let's get this right.
You are drawing level comparisons between UKIP and the BNP?
To add effect to the piercings, have you got your bovver boots on order?

I answered your question positively and honestly, and asked you for your reasoned response to a simple question. Why not just be honest and say I do not have the answers to that question, instead of going into tangents about me doing this or that. This is not about anyone else GnV, I asked you a simple question. No point asking you any questions in the future but in the past you always have something to say but not on this occasion where an answer is asked.
Bye. Oh and it is still raining cat's and dog's here, and am off to find a nice place to contemplate the weeks events. lol

20 Mar 2013

PMSL
same old same old star.
You can always tell when star has run out of ideas. He takes his bat home with comments like 'Bye'
Good game cricket, innit :lol2:

20 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
That is already happening, my friend, a war pensioner has just had his war pension, his only source of income for him and his family reduced from £792 per month to £564 per month, scandalous that he still gets so much to squander, most of his income does go on rent but that still leaves a colossal amount for him to live the life of luxury he leads doesn't it.

Surely your friend gets additional payments from other benefits because of his disability?

20 Mar 2013

Quote by star
...and am off to find a nice place to contemplate the weeks events.

The pub perhaps star?
IIRC the 1p off a pint doesn't take effect until Sunday wink

20 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
...and am off to find a nice place to contemplate the weeks events.

The pub perhaps star?
IIRC the 1p off a pint doesn't take effect until Sunday wink

No not the pub GnV but a nice little walk with my German Shepherd dog. Walking relaxes the mind. You should try it sometime..........walking that is.:giggle:

20 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
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So it is either about YOU getting more money, or by taking it off of other poorer people, but as long as you get more out of it !! Where is the I am going to be sick emotion?
A typical Tory outlook on things............steal from the poorest in society, and give it to the richest in society. If I had my way I would raise the 40% tax band to 50% and raise the minimum amount where you start paying tax to £12000.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by Too Hot
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So it is either about YOU getting more money, or by taking it off of other poorer people, but as long as you get more out of it !! Where is the I am going to be sick emotion?
A typical Tory outlook on things............steal from the poorest in society, and give it to the richest in society. If I had my way I would raise the 40% tax band to 50% and raise the minimum amount where you start paying tax to £12000.

You can't have it all ways Star. Your beloved UKIP want EVERYONE paying 31% tax which is a 10% reduction for high earners. They also want a greater assault on social and welfare payments. You are saying that you want tax for high earners at 50%?? How does that sit with your support of UKIP?
Please dont tell me that you are oblivious to the actual UKIP manifesto? You seem to disagree with everything that UKIP hold dear. You sound more like a potential recruit for the Socialist Workers Party rather than the ultra Tory party known as UKIP.
I think you are bit confused.
Not confused TH. I will be voting for UKIP for two reasons which I have to keep fecking banging on about. To get us out of Europe and to stop open door immigration policy.
Now I am sure that even a Tory like you TH do not like and agree with every single policy that is in the Tory's manifesto??
You know and I know UKIP will not gain automatic power, but what they can aspire to is a power share with either Labour or the Tory's. After the way the Lib Dems have been treated by the Tory's my bet given a choice, they would opt for a power share with Labour.
You can scoff and chuckle as much as you like, but even you cannot possibly see the Tory's getting an overall majority at the next election. I think that Cameron will not even be party leader come the next election, as once we have the local elections and a few by elections before then, the Conservative party will realise they are doomed. Ukip and some of it's policies are the way forward for the UK,and I bet Mr Farage is rubbing his hands in anticipation for the next couple of years.
I am not saying I agree with al of their policies or their promises, but then again I do not believe all that the other parties tell me either. All the parties have good policies and bad policies, but the working men and women will make the Tory's pay at the next election.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by Trevaunance
That is already happening, my friend, a war pensioner has just had his war pension, his only source of income for him and his family reduced from £792 per month to £564 per month, scandalous that he still gets so much to squander, most of his income does go on rent but that still leaves a colossal amount for him to live the life of luxury he leads doesn't it.

Surely your friend gets additional payments from other benefits because of his disability?
I believe he is entitled to other benefits such as housing benefits, and was in reciept of Disability Living Allowance but the new regulations took that away he can I think re-apply however the housing benefit is about to be cut even if he did claim it, he may be allowed to claim this new form of DLA but they took it off him having previously decided he needed it for life he says he spent years in hospital and went through endless medical examinations to be pronouched the condition he is, a condition that will not get better, he simply doesn't want to be poked around again, visit doctors and hospitals and fight for what they said he needed again, he is simply too proud to seek what he needs, hardly surprising the attitude shown on here towards those that claim any form of benefit.
It is one thing to oust those who claim benefits they are not entitled to but to tar everyone with the same brush and simply take from them what they were deemed to need puts many people through a trauma they should not have to endure, not everyone can claim benefits without thinking themselves failures or leeches living off others. He also has spare bedrooms and is scared he would be forced to move if he claimed housing benefits.
There are probably many like him who are feeling just the same.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
It is one thing to oust those who claim benefits they are not entitled to but to tar everyone with the same brush and simply take from them what they were deemed to need puts many people through a trauma they should not have to endure, not everyone can claim benefits without thinking themselves failures or leeches living off others. He also has spare bedrooms and is scared he would be forced to move if he claimed housing benefits.
There are probably many like him who are feeling just the same.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

It is one thing to oust those who claim benefits they are not entitled to but to tar everyone with the same brush and simply take from them what they were deemed to need puts many people through a trauma they should not have to endure, not everyone can claim benefits without thinking themselves failures or leeches living off others. He also has spare bedrooms and is scared he would be forced to move if he claimed housing benefits.
There are probably many like him who are feeling just the same.

This is the world of Ian Duncan Smith and his Tory party Mids. Tar every dole scrounger with the same paint brush and not to give a shit whilst doing it.
There will be many disabled and disadvantaged people who are scared witless of the benefit cuts and the bedroom tax. It is a national disgrace to treat people this way.
These cuts are nothing compared to what UKIP are planning. "David Cameron would have you believe that major cuts to the welfare system have been made, but there is much more to do." Neil Hamilton of the caring, sharing and all loved up UKIP.
Star you can put with millionaires getting another 21% tax cut, you can put up with truly massive cuts to welfare that will affect the poorest in society, you will accept a return of fox hunting... Anything as long as it gets rid of the immigrants.....?
Most sensible people would take a balanced view of a political party and balance out the pluses and minuses. As I see it - there is a single issue that you support with UKIP and everything else is totally against your principles. So you allow yourself to be swayed by 1 plus point against 99 negatives. Do you think that once UKIP deal with the "immigrant problem" it will be like a magic pill and all our economic problems will be solved? Britain will become an economic superpower again and we can then quickly vote out UKIP before they get the chance to introduce the other 99 policies that you don't like?
You are misguided at best Star.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by Too Hot
These cuts are nothing compared to what UKIP are planning. "David Cameron would have you believe that major cuts to the welfare system have been made, but there is much more to do." Neil Hamilton of the caring, sharing and all loved up UKIP.

As I have said already TH but you just don't listen.....UKIP will power share at best so a lot of their policies are pie in the sky.

Quote by Too Hot
Star you can put with millionaires getting another 21% tax cut, you can put up with truly massive cuts to welfare that will affect the poorest in society, you will accept a return of fox hunting... Anything as long as it gets rid of the immigrants.....?

Very clever TH but your not smart enough. Where have I ever said I have wanted rid of the immigrants TH, show me where. I have stated I want a stop to open door policy on immigration. I see you fail to mention the main reason I support UKIP and their number one policy which is............wait for it........yes getting out of Europe. You never realised you left that one out TH? :doh: You need to do what GnV fails to do and look at what I actually write. So next you will be saying I want repatriation for all the immigrants as well. banghead

Quote by Too Hot
Most sensible people would take a balanced view of a political party and balance out the pluses and minuses. As I see it - there is a single issue that you support with UKIP and everything else is totally against your principles. So you allow yourself to be swayed by 1 plus point against 99 negatives. Do you think that once UKIP deal with the "immigrant problem" it will be like a magic pill and all our economic problems will be solved? Britain will become an economic superpower again and we can then quickly vote out UKIP before they get the chance to introduce the other 99 policies that you don't like?

Why do you keep saying that TH ffs ?? What part of getting out of Europe do you fail to grasp? I had you down as a bit better than that, or is it a deliberate ploy of yours in some way? I asked GnV a simple question today and I ask you the same question.

Quote by Too Hot
You are misguided at best Star.

No sensible at best not to trust the Tory's and their banker mates. Some of the heart rending stories I have read with regards to people's hardships over benefit money stolen from them by this Government, and how the filthy bankers continue to get their million pound bonuses is a disgrace. You want to be party to that then fine, but one of your previous posts shows the kind of man you are TH, give you more money and fuck the poor up the anus whilst you are doing it. Greed is not a good attribute to being a human being.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
No sensible at best not to trust the Tory's and their banker mates. Some of the heart rending stories I have read with regards to people's hardships over benefit money stolen from them by this Government, and how the filthy bankers continue to get their million pound bonuses is a disgrace. You want to be party to that then fine, but one of your previous posts shows the kind of man you are TH, give you more money and fuck the poor up the anus whilst you are doing it. Greed is not a good attribute to being a human being.

Star - do you not understand that UKIP are extreme Tories? UKIP are a party of disaffected Tories - people who dont think the conservative party is right wing enough.
Where do you get the idea that UKIP are somewhere more social and caring than the Tories? You need to download their manifesto and examine what they are about.... oh... and be careful what you wish for.
You clearly missed the irony in my post (no surprise) UKIP will be giving high earners a 20% tax cut and making more savage welfare cuts - this is no secret.

20 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
As I have said already TH but you just don't listen.....UKIP will power share at best so a lot of their policies are pie in the sky.

Particularly their immigration policy as no one but UKIP shares the same view - whereas the Tories would align themselves with tax cuts for the rich and bigger cuts to welfare. UKIP can only share power with the conservatives because like them, they are a right wing party.

20 Mar 2013

Jed, For your friend to be receiving that much as a war pension he must have been assessed as 100% disabled by his injury received in service. The rate was per week for 2012/13, but has increased slightly to for 2013/14. So it cannot be his war pension that has been cut.

21 Mar 2013

No, from what I understand and as I stated in my later post it is his DLA Disability Living Allowance that was cut, this was awarded to work in conjunction with the war pension to take his earnings up to what the MOD believed he would be earning had his injuries not prevented him carrying out the same level of employment he did when serving and to give him a reasonable standard of living.

21 Mar 2013

and that just popped another question in my mind that someone might be able to answer.
I learned from him today that should he decide to reside abroad the MOD can stop paying his War Pension.
Now I wonder, with 40,000 Polish children residing in Poland in reciept of child benefit paid by the UK Government because one or more of their parents are residing in the UK, would Poland have to pay his War Pension should he decide to live in Poland ?
According to one MP I watched on TV, we have to pay the child benefit because the EU rules say that an EU citizen residing in the UK is entitled to the benefits a UK citizen would get when in the UK.
I am sure that must work all ways, but do wonder ? of course it depends on what benefits are paid to War Pensioners in other EU states, perhaps there is one that would give him lot's of money lol

Anyone know the answer ?
With an Estimated 50,000 Romanians about to come to the UK when they are entitled shortly to do so under EU rules I just wonder if some of our own people on benefits should consider moving abroad for a better standard of living than they get here ?
Though of course I don't think that any other EU state offers as much in benefits as we do it is worth a thought.