Is it fair to pay Road Tax for a vehicle that is not on the road, many people have 2 vehicles or more, farmers for example who can have a "going out car" a working car (landrover etc) a number of road using farm vehicles or a plumber who has his van for work and his everyday car.
In some countries Road tax is interchangeable to the car that is on the road at the time, thus saving the cost of multiple tax payments for each vehicle and this is extended to the insurance, one policy covers each car, the insurance is valid for the car being driven not the car in the garage, so if you and your wife have a car each then you need 2 tax discs and 2 insurance policies or a joint policy for each car, but if one car is on the road at one time and never both, in those countries employing the system you have less costs, after all road tax and insurance is for a vehicle using the roads not one sitting in the garage though you may want a seperate fire and theft policy to cover anything on your land which can be covered by house or household insurance policies.
Anyone else like this idea ?
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Road Tax
Quote by Ben_Minx
Now that we have a database of MOTs and insurance, the concept of car tax is outdated and it just needs to be scrapped and the revenue raised from other sources.
you cannot dangle one of these ben.
and then not tell us what your ideas would be. so i would be interested to know where the extra money would be sourced from ben.
i have my own ideas about this but am intrigued by what you would think is a good source. :notes:
as an aside ben, VED, raised billion in 2009. thats a lot of money to find from " other sources ".
Sex God
Road tax should be abolished and the duty on fuel increased to make up the lost revenue .... pay per mile
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
While we are at it, we could add the cost of 3rd party injury insurance to fuel too and stop motor insurance from being a bankroll for claims lawyers
seconded
Quote by Ben_Minx
While we are at it, we could add the cost of 3rd party injury insurance to fuel too and stop motor insurance from being a bankroll for claims lawyers
Yes I well remember the day that the government ok'd lawyers right to advertise, before that we used to laugh at the likes of the USA which we believed was a "sue me for smiling" country, we thought it crazy that they would sue people or claim damages for absolutely anything, now we are the same, parents suing a school because thier son broke a toe playing football in the playground with a satchel, Prisoners suing the government and being paid out when a laptop with thier details was stolen (no compensation was paid to soldiers when a laptop was stolen with thier details on or to people on the DSS laptop was stolen with thier details on) it's sad but was to be expected when the advertising floodgates opened.
Sex God
how about we tax benefits to save road tax :bounce:
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
how about we tax benefits to save road tax :bounce:
No net gain .... do the maths :doh:
Sex God
i must agree road tax is outdated and expensive no wonder companies lease cars with the tax relief and someone else paying the road tax tyres service bills it makes sense :thumbup:
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Road tax should be abolished and the duty on fuel increased to make up the lost revenue .... pay per mile
that i beleeve would have been a good thing a few years back, but with record fuel prices at the pumps would it be a good idea to put it on fuel now?
i am sure though that with the top rate of tax cut from 50 to 40% , the Government must have gained a few pennies from that. but surely the rich dont pay VED do they?
Sex God
I agree with Ben and Stags, that is as rare as these;
Sex God
Better for an entity (Govt. / Company / individual) to have multiple income streams rather than reduce or consolidate them
Road tax (VED) is wasteful, pointless, outdated and silly but it is a stream of income that would not 100% transfer if attached to fuel duty as the extra cost would reduce consumption and therefore income.
Road tax (VED) is wasteful, pointless, outdated and silly but it is a stream of income that would not 100% transfer if attached to fuel duty as the extra cost would reduce consumption and therefore income.
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
Better for an entity (Govt. / Company / individual) to have multiple income streams rather than reduce or consolidate them
Road tax (VED) is wasteful, pointless, outdated and silly but it is a stream of income that would not 100% transfer if attached to fuel duty as the extra cost would reduce consumption and therefore income.
But it would go up every few weeks when the thieving b*****s at the fuel suppliers/garages put the price up - just cos they can. It would also go up every year when the other thieving b****s in the government put fuel tax up. It's win win for them.
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
What I like about this idea is that road tax dodging becomes obsolete overnight. Those that do not like paying the disc in the window have to buy fuel to move the car
Dave_Notts
Or nick it !!!
J & S
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
What I like about this idea is that road tax dodging becomes obsolete overnight. Those that do not like paying the disc in the window have to buy fuel to move the car
Dave_Notts
Or nick it !!!
J & S
Ahhhhh but that is not tax avoidance, but pure and simple theft. There is already a law for that
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
What I like about this idea is that road tax dodging becomes obsolete overnight. Those that do not like paying the disc in the window have to buy fuel to move the car
Dave_Notts
Or nick it !!!
J & S
Ahhhhh but that is not tax avoidance, but pure and simple theft. There is already a law for that
Dave_Notts
There's also a law for tax avoidance, but that still doesn't stop it from happening.
Quote by Mr-Powers
What I like about this idea is that road tax dodging becomes obsolete overnight. Those that do not like paying the disc in the window have to buy fuel to move the car
Dave_Notts
Or nick it !!!
J & S
Ahhhhh but that is not tax avoidance, but pure and simple theft. There is already a law for that
Dave_Notts
There's also a law for tax avoidance, but that still doesn't stop it from happening.
No law has ever stopped anything from happening. It is down to the individual not to break the law. Law just means you will be punished if caught. In this instance though, the tax is on the fuel and not a disc. It is easier to drive with no disc than no fuel
Dave_Notts
Quote by Mr-Powers
What I like about this idea is that road tax dodging becomes obsolete overnight. Those that do not like paying the disc in the window have to buy fuel to move the car
Dave_Notts
Or nick it !!!
J & S
Ahhhhh but that is not tax avoidance, but pure and simple theft. There is already a law for that
Dave_Notts
There's also a law for tax avoidance, but that still doesn't stop it from happening.
I think you both mean tax evasion as opposed to tax avoidance
Quote by Dave__Notts
What I like about this idea is that road tax dodging becomes obsolete overnight. Those that do not like paying the disc in the window have to buy fuel to move the car
Dave_Notts
Or nick it !!!
J & S
Ahhhhh but that is not tax avoidance, but pure and simple theft. There is already a law for that
Dave_Notts
There's also a law for tax avoidance, but that still doesn't stop it from happening.
No law has ever stopped anything from happening. It is down to the individual not to break the law. Law just means you will be punished if caught. In this instance though, the tax is on the fuel and not a disc. It is easier to drive with no disc than no fuel
Dave_Notts
Yes, but car tax dodgers don't effect the individual, but having your petrol cap broken into and you petrol stolen will.
I think the amount that would brew thier own fuel would be very few more than do it now simply because of the high price of fuel as it is, but how do you make this road tax/fuel increase work ?, the national accepted average for a car these days is 15,000 miles, but tax is charged in accordance with how low your emmisions are.
If I have the lowest emmission car I have to pay road tax of £100
If I have the highest emmision car I have to pay road tax of £475
So if my wife and I have one of each and we both drive 10,000 miles this year how will the difference in tax be collected between the 2 vehicles ?
What if I do 15,000 miles in my low emmission car but my wife only does 6000 miles in the high emmission car, the high emmission car would be paying less road tax than my low emmission car if the price was in the fuel. Would garages have to have different pumps at different prices for different emmission rated cars ? if they do what is to stop me filling up the low emmission car then transferring the fuel to my high emmission car ?
If I have the lowest emmission car I have to pay road tax of £100
If I have the highest emmision car I have to pay road tax of £475
So if my wife and I have one of each and we both drive 10,000 miles this year how will the difference in tax be collected between the 2 vehicles ?
What if I do 15,000 miles in my low emmission car but my wife only does 6000 miles in the high emmission car, the high emmission car would be paying less road tax than my low emmission car if the price was in the fuel. Would garages have to have different pumps at different prices for different emmission rated cars ? if they do what is to stop me filling up the low emmission car then transferring the fuel to my high emmission car ?
