So after the high court ruling on keeping this womans name out of the papers, today both herself and her so called lover and his sidekick Brother have been named and pictures of them printed.
I for one am glad this has happened for I am sure there are plenty in their prisons who did not know what they were in for.....well they do now.
They will now forever be looking over their shoulders and walking with fear. Hopefully they will feel the same fear that poor baby had to suffer every morning when it woke up.
No doubt when this poor excuse for a Mother gets released, it will be the taxpayer who will pick up the bill for her new identity, and her new house and everything else she needs.
In the meantime maybe they will get their just rewards in prison, to live in fear for their safety, and on their release every miserable day of their lives.
Maybe after being named they might well do the decent thing, and do a Fred West.
Every time I read another artical on what they did to this poor baby, I despair sometimes of how cruel the human race can be.
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Sex God
They're pretty much guaranteed anonymity when they get out of prison though - or there will be a witch hunt - naming and shaming them now could well work out better for them in the long run. 
As an aside, I knew you'd be the one to start his thread when I saw the news.
As an aside, I knew you'd be the one to start his thread when I saw the news.
Quote by Freckledbird
They're pretty much guaranteed anonymity when they get out of prison though - or there will be a witch hunt - naming and shaming them now could well work out better for them in the long run.
As an aside, I knew you'd be the one to start his thread when I saw the news.
That predictable eh?
Well seeing as I started the original thread I thought it only fit and proper to start this one.
Maybe just maybe naming them now will put a bounty on them in prison, and for a packet of fags someone will get em.....here's hoping.
Sex God
So why are we giving these scumbags new identities, probably improved lives/finances/accomodation again?
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So why are we giving these scumbags new identities, probably improved lives/finances/accomodation again?
Because I presume there would be a witch hunt otherwise
: Sometimes crime does pay....ask the Bulger killers that one, and no doubt this Mother will have the same perks afforded her, by us mugs.....the taxpayer.
Plus don't forget there are the human rights bollox.......sighs....
Quote by Freckledbird
They're pretty much guaranteed anonymity when they get out of prison though - or there will be a witch hunt - naming and shaming them now could well work out better for them in the long run.
As an aside, I knew you'd be the one to start his thread when I saw the news.
I saw the news, and my first thought was "Ooh, Kenty fodder"
Sex God
And now its going to cost us hundreds of thousands more to keep them due to all the extra precautions that will be taken to keep them safe while in prison....
Sex God
Witchy, I was watching for it going up all through yesterday too. ;)
Few things . . .
The comparison with the Bulger case is not valid. Thompson and Venables, lets not forget, were 10 year old children at the time of their offence. They were not responsible for their actions in the same way that an adult is responsible for theirs, and I think it's entirely right that as adults who've done their time they should be protected from the consequences of what they did as children when they could not possibly fully understand what those consequences were.
As for these three, the purpose of granting them anonymity when they're released is not just to protect them. It's about protecting wider society from mob rule and vigiliante justice, and protecting those who might feel inclined to visit a bit of vengeance on these three from themselves. It's about keeping society's baser instincts in check, and preserving the rule of law, because punishment is the job of the legal system and the prison service, and that needs to be protected as much as these three.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that they will not be safe on our streets when they're released, and I'd rather have tax-payers pay for their new identities than have three more dead bodies on our hands, and the ongoing financial burden of keeping their murderers in jail in their turn. It's about breaking the cycle they've set in motion, cos that's what civilised societies do.
N x x x ;)
;)Few things . . .
The comparison with the Bulger case is not valid. Thompson and Venables, lets not forget, were 10 year old children at the time of their offence. They were not responsible for their actions in the same way that an adult is responsible for theirs, and I think it's entirely right that as adults who've done their time they should be protected from the consequences of what they did as children when they could not possibly fully understand what those consequences were.
As for these three, the purpose of granting them anonymity when they're released is not just to protect them. It's about protecting wider society from mob rule and vigiliante justice, and protecting those who might feel inclined to visit a bit of vengeance on these three from themselves. It's about keeping society's baser instincts in check, and preserving the rule of law, because punishment is the job of the legal system and the prison service, and that needs to be protected as much as these three.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that they will not be safe on our streets when they're released, and I'd rather have tax-payers pay for their new identities than have three more dead bodies on our hands, and the ongoing financial burden of keeping their murderers in jail in their turn. It's about breaking the cycle they've set in motion, cos that's what civilised societies do.
N x x x ;)
Quote by Cherrytree
I don't often agree with you Kenty, and as the thread rumbles on there's always a chance you will allow me to revert to my normal opinion of your views, (cue tree-hugging lefty feral end of society as we know it stuff) ... but as far as your opening post goes I cannot fault it.
Thanyou Cherry.
Neils points above are valid but sorry there is a comparison with the Bulger killers, in that society afforded them the very things they did not afford that child.
Lets not foget what they did, which I think is just as bad.....they took a child and tortured him to death then threw him onto railway lines. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing as kids that age know the difference between right and wrong. Those two were just two nasty horrid kids, who wllingly murdered another child.
These murderers not only tortured this poor baby Peter, but systamatically carried it on for months. Sorry Neil society owes them nothing and they should have the same fear forced on them, until they do the decent thing, and save us all that money.....and kill themselves.
Society owes them nothing, nothing at all and if that makes me and others uncivilised then I can quite easily live with that. They are very simply the lowest form of pond life and do not deserve anything, except maybe to be given to the family members for an hour.
reading the background of these people though,the biggest failure has to be in social services. Just reading background of nazi fascination, rottweiller, filthy dirty house, with smell of urine heavy...a mother that didn't get out of bed till dinner time etc etc... the list just goes on. The social services must have known this and yet still this abuse went on..seemingly un-noticed. Makes you despair of social services !!!!
Sexlightened
Well, that's a lot more straightforward than anything I've come up with around here...
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
... I'd rather have tax-payers pay for their new identities than have three more dead bodies on our hands ...
Gotta say, I'd sooner they were 3 dead bodies ...
Sex God
Quote by _Darth_
... I'd rather have tax-payers pay for their new identities than have three more dead bodies on our hands ...
Gotta say, I'd sooner they were 3 dead bodies ...
I'm with you.
I'm not an out and out 'hang and devil take 'em' kind of person. But these people are utterly unworthy of sharing our world and breathing our air. I even begrudge them that.
Sex God
Who other than the media profits from the naming of these people?will society be safer now we know their names?will naming the perpetrators of crime help the victims?
I don't care who commits a crime, I care that they are brought to justice.
The constant spotlight the media throws on such cases serves only to to make our society less reasoned and less safe for us all (there is I believe at least one paediatrician in the country who can attest to this).
We are rapidly descending into an idiot nation led by an idiot media who are ruled by an idiot government.
The facts of this childs life are a tragedy the facts of the mothers life are also tragic,why are we expected to express compassion for one and not the other?
The whole fashion for wailing and beating our chests in some kind of appalling competetive mourning depresses me immensely .
I wont be saying anymore on this subject,the whole thing is tragic and it's treatment sordid.
I do not care who did this, it appalls me that anyone could, but I am equally offended by the idiots and harridans who stand outside courthouses baying for blood the only difference between them and the people inside is that they are too craven to act.
I don't care who commits a crime, I care that they are brought to justice.
The constant spotlight the media throws on such cases serves only to to make our society less reasoned and less safe for us all (there is I believe at least one paediatrician in the country who can attest to this).
We are rapidly descending into an idiot nation led by an idiot media who are ruled by an idiot government.
The facts of this childs life are a tragedy the facts of the mothers life are also tragic,why are we expected to express compassion for one and not the other?
The whole fashion for wailing and beating our chests in some kind of appalling competetive mourning depresses me immensely .
I wont be saying anymore on this subject,the whole thing is tragic and it's treatment sordid.
I do not care who did this, it appalls me that anyone could, but I am equally offended by the idiots and harridans who stand outside courthouses baying for blood the only difference between them and the people inside is that they are too craven to act.
Well words fail me as to the above comments.
It has been human nature from the begining of time, to exact revenge on people that do wrong.
In America they would have had the needle and rightly so.
Stop bloody blaming the media for the worlds problems fgs.
I bet you and others were interested in the media coverage of the banks greed or the MP'S pisstaking over our money.
I am glad of the media for without them these kind of vermin would remain anonymous for ever, and could end up living next door to YOU.
They do not deserve any compassion or any understanding.....just take a second to understand what these people did to a poor innocent 17 month old child.
I am with Browning.....I would flick the switch and I really would not lose a seconds sleep over it.
Vermin.....pure and simple and I hope every remaining day of their sorry lives is filled with fear.
It has been human nature from the begining of time, to exact revenge on people that do wrong.
In America they would have had the needle and rightly so.
Stop bloody blaming the media for the worlds problems fgs.
I bet you and others were interested in the media coverage of the banks greed or the MP'S pisstaking over our money.
I am glad of the media for without them these kind of vermin would remain anonymous for ever, and could end up living next door to YOU.
They do not deserve any compassion or any understanding.....just take a second to understand what these people did to a poor innocent 17 month old child.
I am with Browning.....I would flick the switch and I really would not lose a seconds sleep over it.
Vermin.....pure and simple and I hope every remaining day of their sorry lives is filled with fear.
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
Witchy, I was watching for it going up all through yesterday too.
Few things . . .
The comparison with the Bulger case is not valid. Thompson and Venables, lets not forget, were 10 year old children at the time of their offence. They were not responsible for their actions in the same way that an adult is responsible for theirs, and I think it's entirely right that as adults who've done their time they should be protected from the consequences of what they did as children when they could not possibly fully understand what those consequences were.
As for these three, the purpose of granting them anonymity when they're released is not just to protect them. It's about protecting wider society from mob rule and vigiliante justice, and protecting those who might feel inclined to visit a bit of vengeance on these three from themselves. It's about keeping society's baser instincts in check, and preserving the rule of law, because punishment is the job of the legal system and the prison service, and that needs to be protected as much as these three.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that they will not be safe on our streets when they're released, and I'd rather have tax-payers pay for their new identities than have three more dead bodies on our hands, and the ongoing financial burden of keeping their murderers in jail in their turn. It's about breaking the cycle they've set in motion, cos that's what civilised societies do.
N x x x ;)
Its a philosphical debate and neil puts it so well :thumbup:
Sex God
Is the fact their names have been put in to national press i.e. newspapers and on the television actually going to make any difference as they were already named all over the internet anyway?
If anyone with a vendetta or vigilante persuasion wanted to know who they were, they would only have to look them up online.
I'm pleased they weren't fully named until they were found guilty as I believe in a free and untainted trail where you are innocent until proven guilty. The press furoar and scuffle for the scandel will quieten down and people in time will forget that every week a child dies at the hands of it's parents. (or is it two per week the official statistic... yes a child's life reduced to mere numbers on a balance sheet)
Ugly, the truth, isn't it?
The statistics show that the rate of children dying at the hands of their parents has stayed around about the same for the last 20-30 years. So it's not that there are more cases just that it's more easily reported about these days, with the internet and mobile technology.
Quite simply though, system loopholes need to be closed so these people don't ever have contact with anyone vulnerable again, new identity or not. There are underlying issues with social systems that are understaffed, undervalued, under paid and inexperienced at the coal face where the work is actually done.
I would still rather live in a society which values each individual and the right to a life once the term has been served. They will be punished in prison heirachy and may even be 'wasting' tax payers money right now on having extra guards on them to make sure fellow inmates don't turn nasty towards them for their crimes.
I think there are far more criminal ways my tax money is being 'wasted' in my opinion.
If anyone with a vendetta or vigilante persuasion wanted to know who they were, they would only have to look them up online.
I'm pleased they weren't fully named until they were found guilty as I believe in a free and untainted trail where you are innocent until proven guilty. The press furoar and scuffle for the scandel will quieten down and people in time will forget that every week a child dies at the hands of it's parents. (or is it two per week the official statistic... yes a child's life reduced to mere numbers on a balance sheet)
Ugly, the truth, isn't it?
The statistics show that the rate of children dying at the hands of their parents has stayed around about the same for the last 20-30 years. So it's not that there are more cases just that it's more easily reported about these days, with the internet and mobile technology.
Quite simply though, system loopholes need to be closed so these people don't ever have contact with anyone vulnerable again, new identity or not. There are underlying issues with social systems that are understaffed, undervalued, under paid and inexperienced at the coal face where the work is actually done.
I would still rather live in a society which values each individual and the right to a life once the term has been served. They will be punished in prison heirachy and may even be 'wasting' tax payers money right now on having extra guards on them to make sure fellow inmates don't turn nasty towards them for their crimes.
I think there are far more criminal ways my tax money is being 'wasted' in my opinion.
