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swine flu a-h1n1
Nothing wrong with the vaccine. It's made the same way they make all the influenza vaccines. Come to think of it, it's made the same way they make the majority of vaccines now.
If you look at the history of influenza you will note that it tends to have "outbreaks" at the middle of the year followed by another "wave" at the end of the year...
And this variety is dangerous to young people whereas the usual outbreak tends to affect old and ill people more seriously than the young.
If you look at the history of influenza you will note that it tends to have "outbreaks" at the middle of the year followed by another "wave" at the end of the year...
And this variety is dangerous to young people whereas the usual outbreak tends to affect old and ill people more seriously than the young.
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Quote by Ben_welshminx
How does one know one has had swine flu.
Do they send you for tests? Does anybody on here know for certain that they were infected by this particular strain of virus?
at the beginning, when it was in the "contain" phase.. they did test everyone..... now they are past that they assume that you have it based on the symptoms you describe..... (also bearing in mind that swine flu is particually attacking the groups of people not normally hit by the normal strains)
I have my mind open.
No vaccination = much greater chance of contracting the H1N1 viral infection which will be extremely debilitating for me: Personally.
Vaccination = very slightly heightened chance of having auto-immune problems later on in life (which I will remind you I may not have)
I am also peed-off with wasters who keep dragging the extremely unlikely things that MAY happen if you have (this/that/the-other) and ignore what is much more likely to happen if you do not have (this/that/the-other).
I'll remind you that some years ago people campaigned virulently to have DDT removed from use against mosquitos on the grounds that some children had been born with deformities.....since then several millions have died that may not have died IF ddt had been used to destroy the insects breeding "grounds"....and many have been born with deformities anyway.
Looking at both sides of the argument against the use of the vaccine I have decided to ignore the prats who insist it will give me every other disease known to man (said campaigners are inevitably in the best of health and have private health insurance anyway....and they're better paid than me...to tell others to die rather than have an injection)
No vaccination = much greater chance of contracting the H1N1 viral infection which will be extremely debilitating for me: Personally.
Vaccination = very slightly heightened chance of having auto-immune problems later on in life (which I will remind you I may not have)
I am also peed-off with wasters who keep dragging the extremely unlikely things that MAY happen if you have (this/that/the-other) and ignore what is much more likely to happen if you do not have (this/that/the-other).
I'll remind you that some years ago people campaigned virulently to have DDT removed from use against mosquitos on the grounds that some children had been born with deformities.....since then several millions have died that may not have died IF ddt had been used to destroy the insects breeding "grounds"....and many have been born with deformities anyway.
Looking at both sides of the argument against the use of the vaccine I have decided to ignore the prats who insist it will give me every other disease known to man (said campaigners are inevitably in the best of health and have private health insurance anyway....and they're better paid than me...to tell others to die rather than have an injection)
I spoke to my GP last week about the swine flu issues.
He stated that whilst it was not that serious at the moment, it could develop into that.
He then told me that between 50 and a 100 million people died in the worst flu cases after the first world war.
I googled it and was amazed as to how many did die back then.
But times have changed a bit from then.
He stated that whilst it was not that serious at the moment, it could develop into that.
He then told me that between 50 and a 100 million people died in the worst flu cases after the first world war.
I googled it and was amazed as to how many did die back then.
But times have changed a bit from then.
Quote by kentswingers777
I spoke to my GP last week about the swine flu issues.
He stated that whilst it was not that serious at the moment, it could develop into that.
He then told me that between 50 and a 100 million people died in the worst flu cases after the first world war.
I googled it and was amazed as to how many did die back then.
But times have changed a bit from then.
Not that much. Luckily this strain is akin to normal winter flu so the death rate should stay steady. The only difference that may be seen is that the age of those dying may be lower than expected.
If it was a more virulent strain or it mutates then we could have a problem, but with current medical knowledge we would fare better than the 1918-19 strain.
Until the end of the pandemic will we have the knowledge to see if it was better or worse than expected..........but thats stats for ya
Dave_Notts
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I understand that in the 1917 epidemic (pandemic?) many people died in this country then that wouldn't die now. Because they were malnourished, had zero heathcare apart from a cool cloth on the forehead and remember folks - there was no such thing as antibiotics. Many people died of bactierial complications not the virus.
That doesn't mean Swine Flu is not serious for many, or won't become far more serious this winter. But, unless a person has underlying probelms, they should get through it ok - so long as they get proper and prompt health care.
And it isn't a hoax - and, sorry to be personal here, but that was a really crass thing to say. You are not stupid, gulson, - what you said was.
That doesn't mean Swine Flu is not serious for many, or won't become far more serious this winter. But, unless a person has underlying probelms, they should get through it ok - so long as they get proper and prompt health care.
And it isn't a hoax - and, sorry to be personal here, but that was a really crass thing to say. You are not stupid, gulson, - what you said was.
im a nurse and i have bad diabetes and ive had the jab.
This week i have got really cross with the stupid comments i hear about the swine flu vaccine taken from sources such as the sun news paper and the union magazine and the neighbours cat. FFS if you are gonna make comment please make comments based upon sound medical literature read the evidence to make an assumption makes u an ass and probably kills me.
This week i have got really cross with the stupid comments i hear about the swine flu vaccine taken from sources such as the sun news paper and the union magazine and the neighbours cat. FFS if you are gonna make comment please make comments based upon sound medical literature read the evidence to make an assumption makes u an ass and probably kills me.
Yes we have antibiotics.
Yes, many are now useless because of over-prescribing: Unfortunately you do not find-out that they are useless on a patient until that patient does not respond or you have the result of a micro-b test...which may well be too late.
Many of the more serious complications of this H1N1 strain are exacerbated not by infection but inflammation of the lungs, they then fill with fluid and in some cases blood. Patients suffering this complication need to be supported by either mechanical ventilation or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, in which the blood is passed through a machine to oxygenate it. Even so, the death rate with this complication is nearly 20% WITH THE BEST CARE AVAILABLE.
I would also like to bring to the fore another fact about both this strain of H1N1 and the 1918-1919 strain....the people more affected are the ones in the prime of life. Then, as now, small children and the elderly seemed less likely to die from the disease or its complications.
Yes, many are now useless because of over-prescribing: Unfortunately you do not find-out that they are useless on a patient until that patient does not respond or you have the result of a micro-b test...which may well be too late.
Many of the more serious complications of this H1N1 strain are exacerbated not by infection but inflammation of the lungs, they then fill with fluid and in some cases blood. Patients suffering this complication need to be supported by either mechanical ventilation or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, in which the blood is passed through a machine to oxygenate it. Even so, the death rate with this complication is nearly 20% WITH THE BEST CARE AVAILABLE.
I would also like to bring to the fore another fact about both this strain of H1N1 and the 1918-1919 strain....the people more affected are the ones in the prime of life. Then, as now, small children and the elderly seemed less likely to die from the disease or its complications.
i gave the title a-h1n1 deliberately and then refered to the swine flu hoax.
A-N1H1 is not swine flu but the combined avian/swine flu. i suggest that rather than recite media/health dept explainations, people look at why the who changed the criteria of what constitutes a pandemic and also the content of the vaccine. but, your uptake was low.
A-N1H1 is not swine flu but the combined avian/swine flu. i suggest that rather than recite media/health dept explainations, people look at why the who changed the criteria of what constitutes a pandemic and also the content of the vaccine. but, your uptake was low.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
i gave the title a-h1n1 deliberately and then refered to the swine flu hoax.
A-N1H1 is not swine flu but the combined avian/swine flu. i suggest that rather than recite media/health dept explainations, people look at why the who changed the criteria of what constitutes a pandemic and also the content of the vaccine. but, your uptake was low.
Tell me Gulson...you don't cover your head in tin foil do you?
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Quote by gulsonroad30664
i gave the title a-h1n1 deliberately and then refered to the swine flu hoax.
A-N1H1 is not swine flu but the combined avian/swine flu. i suggest that rather than recite media/health dept explainations, people look at why the who changed the criteria of what constitutes a pandemic and also the content of the vaccine. but, your uptake was low.
I have no idea what you are talking about. So I wikki'd H1N1 and got this
Anyone who wants to see the details of the various strains of 'flu might enjoy a read.
I just reckon that ANY 'flu is horrible. What the doctors are calling Swine Flu (for ease of explanations with patients and press) is different enough to be distinguished and, as far as I understand, worse for many people.
I still feel that calling it a hoax looks like you are insulting the sufferers and not making some comment about medical reporting and statistics.
Quote by foxylady2209
i gave the title a-h1n1 deliberately and then refered to the swine flu hoax.
A-N1H1 is not swine flu but the combined avian/swine flu. i suggest that rather than recite media/health dept explainations, people look at why the who changed the criteria of what constitutes a pandemic and also the content of the vaccine. but, your uptake was low.
I have no idea what you are talking about. So I wikki'd H1N1 and got this
Anyone who wants to see the details of the various strains of 'flu might enjoy a read.
I just reckon that ANY 'flu is horrible. What the doctors are calling Swine Flu (for ease of explanations with patients and press) is different enough to be distinguished and, as far as I understand, worse for many people.
I still feel that calling it a hoax looks like you are insulting the sufferers and not making some comment about medical reporting and statistics.
foxy, you would be better to google A-H1N1. i am not insulting flu sufferers. the overwhelming majority of flu sufferers are not experiencing A-H1N1 commonly but mistakenly called swine flu. the united nations world health organisation changed the criteria of what constitutes a pandemic and the western media went into hyperdrive to extol the dangers of swine flu which is far less virulent or contageous than the seasonal flu. i refer you to doctor teresa folcades as in my previous thread.
In the real world there are three main types of influenza: A, B and C
As for the H and N:
And to go further:
And to be specific:
Personally, I have a choice of who to believe:
A nun/doctor with an axe to grind.
Or skilled physicians who are on the front line.
I also chose to pay no attention to people who have no latent illness/defect, and so are not much at risk.
Although it is interesting to note that healthy people "in the prime of life" are most at risk of death from Influenza A(H1N1)
The very people who would not be routinely offered the vaccine anyway.
It is the knowledge that this version of influenza causes serious problems to those who would not normally have problems that is causing concern.
The side effects to the A(H1N1) vaccine are the same as the side effects from other 'flu vaccines. Since the vaccines are the same as other 'flu vaccines (with the exception of the different strain of 'flu)
The NHS is offering two types: Pandemrix and Celvapan.
Pandemrix will be in two stages, 3 weeks apart.
Celvapan in one, probably.
Your choice.
Influenzavirus A is a genus of the Orthomyxoviridae family of viruses. Influenzavirus A includes only one species: Influenza A virus which causes influenza in birds and some mammals. Strains of all subtypes of influenza A virus have been isolated from wild birds, although disease is uncommon. Some isolates of influenza A virus cause severe disease both in domestic poultry and, rarely, in humans. Occasionally viruses are transmitted from wild aquatic birds to domestic poultry and this may cause an outbreak or give rise to human influenza pandemics
As for the H and N:
hemagglutinin: An important surface structure protein of the influenza virus that is
an essential gene for the spread of the virus throughout the respiratory tract. This enables the virus to attach itself to a cell in the respiratory system and penetrate it. Referred to as the "H" in influenza viruses. See neuraminidase.
neuraminidase: An important surface structure protein of the influenza virus that is an essential enzyme for the spread of the virus throughout the respiratory tract. It enables the virus to escape the host cell and infect new cells. Referred to as the "N" in influenza viruses. See hemagglutinin
And to go further:
There are three types of influenza viruses: A, B and C. Influenza A and B viruses cause seasonal epidemics of disease almost every winter in the United States. Influenza type C infections cause a mild respiratory illness and are not thought to cause epidemics.
Influenza A viruses are divided into subtypes based on two proteins on the surface of the virus: the hemagglutinin (H) and the neuraminidase (N). There are 16 different hemagglutinin subtypes and 9 different neuraminidase subtypes, Influenza A viruses can be further broken down into different strains. The current subtypes of influenza A viruses found in people are A (H1N1) and A (H3N2).
Influenza B viruses are not divided into subtypes. Influenza B viruses also can be further broken down into different strains.
Influenza A (H1N1), A (H3N2), and influenza B strains are included in each year's influenza vaccine. Getting a flu vaccine can protect against influenza A and B viruses. The flu vaccine does not protect against influenza C viruses
And to be specific:
Lung inflammation and respiratory failure are largely responsible for the fatal cases of H1N1 (swine) flu seen so far, three new studies show. The findings also confirm observations that the influenza hits young adults the hardest but can be fought off in many cases with the use of antiviral flu drugs and a mechanical ventilator to aid breathing.
The new studies offer the first large-scale analyses of how the H1N1 flu causes life-threatening illness. All three reports find a consistent pattern of oxygen deprivation in the blood of critically ill patients, a dangerous condition that in the worst-case scenario leads to shock, organ failure and death, the researchers report online October 12 in the Journal of the American Medical Association. The studies were conducted between early March and late August in Canada, Mexico and Australia and New Zealand.
“The data suggests it starts as a diffuse viral pneumonia,†says physician Anand Kumar of the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, who coauthored the Canadian study. By the time a person becomes critically ill, he says, it’s no longer clear whether it’s still pneumonia or has developed into a more severe respiratory distress syndrome.
In such severely ill patients, H1N1 causes massive inflammation in the lungs, which leads to fluid build-up in airways and lung tissues and even bleeding in lung tissues, says physician and epidemiologist Robert Fowler of the University of Toronto, who coauthored the studies in Canada and Mexico. These changes hamper the transfer of oxygen from inhaled air to the blood stream.
“Most patients are still able to take breaths, but these breaths are ineffective,†he says. Blood pressure can crash, disrupting circulation. While oxygen deprivation can cause widespread damage, “the lungs are the organs most visibly affected,†Fowler says.
In the largest of the three studies, Fowler and a team of scientists in Canada monitored the course of 168 patients deemed critically ill with H1N1 flu. Although the patients averaged only 32 years of age and received intensive-care-unit treatment, 17 percent died.
Personally, I have a choice of who to believe:
A nun/doctor with an axe to grind.
Or skilled physicians who are on the front line.
I also chose to pay no attention to people who have no latent illness/defect, and so are not much at risk.
Although it is interesting to note that healthy people "in the prime of life" are most at risk of death from Influenza A(H1N1)
The very people who would not be routinely offered the vaccine anyway.
It is the knowledge that this version of influenza causes serious problems to those who would not normally have problems that is causing concern.
The side effects to the A(H1N1) vaccine are the same as the side effects from other 'flu vaccines. Since the vaccines are the same as other 'flu vaccines (with the exception of the different strain of 'flu)
The NHS is offering two types: Pandemrix and Celvapan.
Pandemrix will be in two stages, 3 weeks apart.
Celvapan in one, probably.
Your choice.
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Quote by kentswingers777
I spoke to my GP last week about the swine flu issues.
He stated that whilst it was not that serious at the moment, it could develop into that.
He then told me that between 50 and a 100 million people died in the worst flu cases after the first world war.
I googled it and was amazed as to how many did die back then.
But times have changed a bit from then.
My gran always told me that the flu at the end of WW1 killed more than the war its self!
I take that as a "no" for your injection then ?
Although a pharma company spreading a virus would seem to be a possible "yes" for a vaccination.
I just think it's scared people trying to scare other people.
Although I would like to know how they get around the mandatory vaccinations that are needed for entry to many countries.
But maybe big/little/itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny pharma only dumps on the biggies ?
Or maybe the conspiracy theorists are working overtime ?
Although a pharma company spreading a virus would seem to be a possible "yes" for a vaccination.
I just think it's scared people trying to scare other people.
Although I would like to know how they get around the mandatory vaccinations that are needed for entry to many countries.
But maybe big/little/itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny pharma only dumps on the biggies ?
Or maybe the conspiracy theorists are working overtime ?
Well is seems that this was as usual...blown out of all proportion, as I thought it was.
A pandemic? Where exactly did it go?
The World Health Organisation could not run a bath.
They huffed and puffed but in the end very few people died from it, and now it seems the " dangers " are over even though we have had a far worse winter than we have had for many years.
These people must come from the same school of thought as the weathermen.
A pandemic? Where exactly did it go?
The World Health Organisation could not run a bath.
They huffed and puffed but in the end very few people died from it, and now it seems the " dangers " are over even though we have had a far worse winter than we have had for many years.
These people must come from the same school of thought as the weathermen.
well i posted this title on the 17th nov 2009. for all those that derided me then, think over it again and when body scanners are in airports, train stations, bus stations and shopping malls, bombarding peoples bodies and organs with micro waves, body and face recognition camera's utilising the same micro wave technology in the high street, hopefully, people will realise that they have nothing to do with perceived/created/fears (terrorism) and reject the premise upon which they have been imposed upon us.
i will not allow my nearest and dearest's to be subjected to this HARMFUL technology.
i will not allow my nearest and dearest's to be subjected to this HARMFUL technology.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
well i posted this title on the 17th nov 2009. for all those that derided me then, think over it again and when body scanners are in airports, train stations, bus stations and shopping malls, bombarding peoples bodies and organs with micro waves, body and face recognition camera's utilising the same micro wave technology in the high street, hopefully, people will realise that they have nothing to do with perceived/created/fears (terrorism) and reject the premise upon which they have been imposed upon us.
i will not allow my nearest and dearest's to be subjected to this HARMFUL technology.
what is it you actually believe is going on? what is the great goal all your theories are leading to?
Quote by jdwxxx
well i posted this title on the 17th nov 2009. for all those that derided me then, think over it again and when body scanners are in airports, train stations, bus stations and shopping malls, bombarding peoples bodies and organs with micro waves, body and face recognition camera's utilising the same micro wave technology in the high street, hopefully, people will realise that they have nothing to do with perceived/created/fears (terrorism) and reject the premise upon which they have been imposed upon us.
i will not allow my nearest and dearest's to be subjected to this HARMFUL technology.
what is it you actually believe is going on? what is the great goal all your theories are leading to?jgw, i do not have a goal other than raising awareness above who john terry is fucking. swine flu was an international, governmental, u.n. big pharma fear creating, HOAX. most people on here who responded by saying they had swine flu, unless they had a blood test to prove it,probably were not infected with a-h1n1 regardless of what their g.p. diagnosed. now known and in the public domain. global warming is and was a hoax, culminating in the failed copenhagen accord to introduce a worldwide carbon tax, derivitives of which have already been traded on world stock markets by goldman sachs. the existance of an international, co-ordinated, funded, islamic terrorist organisation with an unaging illusive leader called osama bin laden is a hoax. a myth created by western intel, particularily by the c.i.a. but not exclusively to create fear within nation states to justify wars of aggression, annexation and profit. also by fear to introduce measures of internal control.
jdwxx, you call these my theories ? they are not mine and they were theory in the past. they are not theory now. they have been tested in the material world and found to be correct, relatively.
